Microsoft: Windows Genuine Advantage works!

IT may have cost Microsoft millions of sales, but Redmond claims that Windows Genuine Advantage has forced punters to buy legitimate copies of its software. According to the Sydney Morning Herald, Vole had tried everything from court cases, to threats, to try and counter piracy. But now that Windows Genuine Advantage has locked down its Vista product, piracy is more or less a thing of the past.

The SMH admits that Microsoft does not have any actual figures to back up its startling claim. The closest thing it has said was that Windows sales were up 20 percent while worldwide PC sales were up only 14 to 16 percent. It claims that this was because people with counterfeit copies of Windows were having to put the real thing on their computers or the software does not work

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Maybe Microsoft is taking PR lessons from the Whitehouse..."the end of Windows Piracy"..."the end of conflict in Iraq" :S

hmmm... it's OK, pirates are consumers too. If all the pirates stopped using microsoft software, how many copies do you think would be in active use, 1/4 what was before? They should be honored with the figures they DO have.

WGA sux, actuvation sux, DRM sux. find a way that works for the consumer, as we do not care if it works for the manufacturer, if it makes our life miserable

WGA, like it or not (i dont like it) is working. Many people actually had bought computers with pirated copies of XP and vista on it. So for the average people that can afford it, it works. That's why MS is claiming more sales for their OS's.

Many computer savvy users have some genuine copies, some pirated, that's the truth...But WGA is working MS.

The article screams FUD, but there has to be something right about it! WGA hasn't made windows less pirate-able, we all know that. But think about those people that -knowingly or unknowingly- had pirated copies of XP and started being worried about WGA. All of those that rely on other people and started being nagged by the WGA thing. They're probably gonna think twice about pirating windows again, when they know that microsoft can determine that they have a pirated version. That doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to run to the store to buy a legit copy, as we all know that the opposite of a pirated copy is probably no copy at all.

Julius Caro said,
The article screams FUD, but there has to be something right about it! WGA hasn't made windows less pirate-able, we all know that. But think about those people that -knowingly or unknowingly- had pirated copies of XP and started being worried about WGA. All of those that rely on other people and started being nagged by the WGA thing. They're probably gonna think twice about pirating windows again, when they know that microsoft can determine that they have a pirated version. That doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to run to the store to buy a legit copy, as we all know that the opposite of a pirated copy is probably no copy at all.

WGA doesn't tell on you. It doesn't let Microsoft know you're running a bogus license, it lets YOU know that.

A lot of people did get free copys from, beta testers who submitted a bug got a free copy, so did people who signed up for the power together.

its never stoped me from using xp wga is a joke all you have to do is choose not to install it. and even if you do it can be disabled. and you still get all your updates though autoupdate and manualy downlaod items like dx and wmp 11 can be download eleswhere and cracked to isntall with a simple regestry entry. microsoft is truly sad. i could realy care less if they leave it in cause its usless

It worked great on my family. None of them are running illegitimate copies of Windows anymore, because they are all running Linux. It worked great on me too, my work decided to switch to Macs because my boss was angry at WGA and didn't like being treated like a criminal.

SirEvan said,
so the ammount of available software for you just dropped by what.....80%? good luck gaming there buddy

You do realize not everybody is interested in playing computer games, right? Not everybody cares.

I agree! WGA works except when it doesn't work.

- WGA authenticates properly except when it doesn't!
- WGA deters piracy well except when it doesn't!

Foub said,
Except that when it doesn't seems to be the majority of the time.

I have never, repeat: NEVER had a WGA failure, and I've reactivated my copy of Windows so many times that I have to call them whenever I need to do so now. (I have to reinstall a lot for software QA testing.) My mother on the other hand bought a computer from a small shop that put a pirated copy of Windows on it, and she started getting WGA notifications. It was simple and painless for her to order the WGA kit by clicking on the balloon tip. They sent her a new key and a disc in 2 days for less than it would have cost to buy XP retail.

GreyWolfSC said,

I have never, repeat: NEVER had a WGA failure, and I've reactivated my copy of Windows so many times that I have to call them whenever I need to do so now. (I have to reinstall a lot for software QA testing.) My mother on the other hand bought a computer from a small shop that put a pirated copy of Windows on it, and she started getting WGA notifications. It was simple and painless for her to order the WGA kit by clicking on the balloon tip. They sent her a new key and a disc in 2 days for less than it would have cost to buy XP retail.

And your point being what that she was to stupid or you were for that fact to go see the doosh bag that installed it on her comp and demand a genuine copy that just makes me laugh and make ms richer and the shop just keeps on doin its nasty little tricks

I know someone who has a copy of Vista (someone).
I have seen it used, updated, and pass WGA.
I know it was never bought.

From what I understand, it's a slightly modified Dell OEM copy, that would be used to preload Vista on Dell PCs. Vista checks the activation against a special Dell BIOS driver, which verifies that it is installed and running on a Dell PC.

Someone has just modified this driver to ALWAYS indicate that it's running on a Dell PC, regardless of whether it actually is or not.

So, if Microsoft were to invalidate this copy, then EVERYONE with a Dell PC would have to revalidate. That would be VERY bad for Dell AND Microsoft...

Articles claiming that WGA has effectively affected piracy make me laugh.

K3vlar said,
I know someone who has a copy of Vista (someone).
I have seen it used, updated, and pass WGA.
I know it was never bought.

From what I understand, it's a slightly modified Dell OEM copy, that would be used to preload Vista on Dell PCs. Vista checks the activation against a special Dell BIOS driver, which verifies that it is installed and running on a Dell PC.

Someone has just modified this driver to ALWAYS indicate that it's running on a Dell PC, regardless of whether it actually is or not.

So, if Microsoft were to invalidate this copy, then EVERYONE with a Dell PC would have to revalidate. That would be VERY bad for Dell AND Microsoft...

Articles claiming that WGA has effectively affected piracy make me laugh.

This is not necessarily true. On a real Dell, that information is stored in the BIOS. All they'd have to do is lock out the driver version.

GreyWolfSC said,
This is not necessarily true. On a real Dell, that information is stored in the BIOS. All they'd have to do is lock out the driver version.

... And everyone else with that driver version...

That's kind-of the point.

GreyWolfSC said,
On a real Dell, that information is stored in the BIOS. All they'd have to do is lock out the driver version.

Nothing a up to date 'emulated BIOS' driver version couldn't handle.

Wow, some people sure get uptight over something that has no impact on genuine customers.

In either case, one line in the article clearly demonstrates the author's gross incompetence in technology: "piracy is more or less a thing of the past". Microsoft is the first to admit you cannot ever "defeat" piracy just like police can never completely "defeat" crime.

Can you minimize it? Sure. But hackers love a challenge and will always be on top of things. WGA was never meant to eliminate piracy just reduce it.

And it works.

C_Guy said,
Wow, some people sure get uptight over something that has no impact on genuine customers.

In either case, one line in the article clearly demonstrates the author's gross incompetence in technology: "piracy is more or less a thing of the past". Microsoft is the first to admit you cannot ever "defeat" piracy just like police can never completely "defeat" crime.

Can you minimize it? Sure. But hackers love a challenge and will always be on top of things. WGA was never meant to eliminate piracy just reduce it.

And it works.

WGA was designed to let you know that the jerks at the local computer shop sold you a stolen copy of Windows. Would you rather they go the Apple route and have them require you buy a new motherboard with a TPM chip on it and lock your system down completely?

Wow, some people sure get uptight over something that has no impact on genuine customers.

Doh. I know someone who just had the copy of Vista enter "omg-i'm-pirated!" mode despite me personally knowing we entered a proper key for it. And it *has* worked alright for months, perhaps even half a year or so. This would/could never have happened on OS X or, say, Ubuntu.

Jugalator said,
Doh. I know someone who just had the copy of Vista enter "omg-i'm-pirated!" mode despite me personally knowing we entered a proper key for it. And it *has* worked alright for months, perhaps even half a year or so. This would/could never have happened on OS X or, say, Ubuntu.

Exactly. Thats one of the many, many, many reasons why I dumped Vista in favor of Ubuntu. All I had to do was update my video drivers in order to be labeled a pirate....

yeah right =\ ...

right now I'm replying from an unlicensed vista ultimate ...

"maybe" I plan to buy one in the future but not now as a student for sure ...

When will people learn.

Stop using L'Inq for news postings like this.

Yes, it allows you to put up more posts and look busier, but when they're as crap as this, it is really worth it?

The article is full of half-truths, exaggerations and white lies, whilst the actual source, the Sydney Morning Herald actually wrote their article properly. Perhaps linking that would help?

http://www.smh.com.au/news/Technology/Anti...5975900357.html

Microsoft have not said "piracy is more or less a thing of the past". "Vole had tried everything from court cases, to threats, to try and counter piracy", and are obviously still trying that, because, amazingly, that's what the law dictates.

And the way the article finishes with:

"However what Holleyman and Vole have not pointed out is that sales of Vista, with WGA, are abysmal in comparison to what XP was doing a year after its release. Some of this is to do with a lack of drivers and bugs, but there is a huge reluctance on the part of punters to wrestle with Vole's incredibly bureaucratic, and unforgiving WGA."

You have to be freaking kidding me.

I believe this.

Obviously PC literate people can get around it easily.

But what about people who's mate stuck their copy on their machine.
They won't know how to get around it, and will be scared into buying it

i'm sorry, Steve, you're completely wrong

though if you want to win the fight over piracy, here's a piece of advice: give windows for free

"The closest thing it has said was that Windows sales were up 20 percent while worldwide PC sales were up only 14 to 16 percent."

Perhaps some people who already had computers are buying Vista?

Even if that's not the case they only had 4-6% increase in sales that could be attributed to people buying legitimate copies to replace pirated. The idea that only 4-6% of copies of windows are pirated is as ridiculous as the idea that WGA solved the problem.

I bet there's a lot of people in China who disagree.

monkey13 said,
"The closest thing it has said was that Windows sales were up 20 percent while worldwide PC sales were up only 14 to 16 percent."

Lets not to forget that with each PC you can get WinXP and free upgrade to Vista. So in theory 1 new PC = 2 copies of Windows and theoretical statistics looks better than reality.

It doesn't matter how many billions of pirated copies, or systems for bypassing activation there are out there, if a company is seeing a noticeable increase in actual SALES then either their product has massively improved and people are noticing, or their anti-piracy system is working.

It's for them to decide if it's causing enough increased revenue to justify the cost of developing the anti-piracy measures.

And I'll leave it to your personal preference to decide if it's WGA and activation, or a better product causing that (as views on Vista are so split, and vehemently defended).

What M$ is actually seeing in an increase in sales of PCs and Windows has just tagged along for the ride as it has always done. As far as most people are concerned they are buying a toaster and know not anything about OSes. Some even believe that Windows and PC are the same thing. Just like with Macs and OS has been.

Foub said,
What M$ is actually seeing in an increase in sales of PCs and Windows has just tagged along for the ride as it has always done. As far as most people are concerned they are buying a toaster and know not anything about OSes. Some even believe that Windows and PC are the same thing. Just like with Macs and OS has been.

Did you see that? He typed MS, but used a dollar sign for the S. Because Microsoft have lots of money. That's funny that is.

JamesWeb said,

Did you see that? He typed MS, but used a dollar sign for the S. Because Microsoft have lots of money. That's funny that is.

I know, isn't it clever? I've never seen that before!

"It's the fastest way to identify the quality of a post."

Usually true, but it doesn't change the fact that Foub is absolutely right: Most people don't know anything about computers and operating systems; they might as well be buying a toaster. And because they know nothing, they buy whatever the salesman at Best Buy or Circuit City tells them to buy. What's more, they're usually happy with what they've bought and use it without knowing the first thing about what's going on “under the hood.”

When they turn that computer on for the first time and it tells them to activate, they activate without giving it another thought. To the vast majority of the computing public, activation and WGA are total non-issues that they've totally forgotton about as soon as they've finished pushing the “activate” button.

C_Guy said,
It's the fastest way to identify the quality of a post.

It's also the fastest way to bring out the pro MS trolls.

JamesWeb said,
Did you see that? He typed MS, but used a dollar sign for the S. Because Microsoft have lots of money. That's funny that is.

MS (Multiple Sclerosis) is a disease.

Foub said,

MS (Multiple Sclerosis) is a disease.

I'm not sure if you're aware of it, but the letters in the alphabet can be used more than once.

GreyWolfSC said,
I'm not sure if you're aware of it, but the letters in the alphabet can be used more than once. :)

*sniff sniff* Smells like sarcasm was in this room.

What a stupid article. "Now that vista has been locked down, piracy is a thing of the past"
LOL, you can download hundreds of patches, cracks, activators for Vista....if you want to bother with Vista.

Davebo said,
Vista piracy is down because Vista sucks - period.
lol You know you have a bad O/S when even the pirates aren't interested in it!

Who knows maybe it helped get new customers, but how many old customers will look for alternative because of not undiserved bad WGA rep. I'm betting numbers will level up in coming time.

i call bull**** on this

there living in a fantasy world, and they will fall if this is the attitude they continue with

There are even 1-click activators down the net...
People sell a already unlocked pirate ultimate version on the streets...
Who are they trying to convince? Theirselfs?

erm no it DOESN'T work it fails infact there so many ways to get around the WGA its just a waste of time and money