More information on Windows 8 and Flash support leaked

A few days ago, it was discovered that the Windows 8 Release Preview build would be bundled with a version of Adobe's Flash player. This was an interesting revelation since it was known for quite some time that the Metro version of Internet Explorer 10 will not support any plug-in software. In theory, that also meant that the Metro version of IE 10 in Windows 8 would not be able to run any Flash apps on a number of popular websites.

On Thursday, the same day as the launch of the Windows 8 Release Preview, a memo, sent out to company employees by Adobe executive Danny Winokur, revealed more information about adding Flash support to both Windows 8 and to Internet Explorer 10. The Verge posted up the memo and it basically states that Microsoft and Adobe have worked together to have Flash work in the Metro version of IE 10.

The memo states in part:

Our work together has to a large degree focused on integrating Flash Player into Metro style IE10 with special privileges that enable it to run while other plugins still cannot (consistent with Microsoft’s earlier announcements about plugin-free browsing). We did this work with their support and cooperation on integrating with IE and Windows. We will deliver future updates to the Flash Player (both security and feature upgrades) through Windows Update in much the same way that Microsoft updates IE itself.

This clearly shows that while Microsoft may not want plug-in support for the Metro version of IE 10, it also knows there are going to be a ton of websites out there that will still use Flash and wanted to accommodate all of the Metro users of their web browser to see and experience those Flash based sites. It also is a big feather in the cap for Adobe, who several months ago announced it would no longer update the Flash plug-in for mobile web browsers.

Source: The Verge

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And it's noticable. As I always used IE as preferred browser, it now simply doesn't work anymore. It crashes over and over, crashes video drivers even with a clean install. My homepage doesn't load most of the times, it just runs terrible.

Now maybe it's not because of flash being build into windows, but am I the only one scared for millions of security bugs now adobe has control over system parts, has special previliges and has even control on Windows Update? Flash is one open hole for hackers to get in, and Microsoft decised to build it right in.

And how can I remove flash from my Windows? I don't want gouverments or any other copmany having value information on me have a system running with flash. (not on Windows 7, not on Windows 8 by default)

Peter van Dam said,
And it's noticable. As I always used IE as preferred browser, it now simply doesn't work anymore. It crashes over and over, crashes video drivers even with a clean install. My homepage doesn't load most of the times, it just runs terrible.

Now maybe it's not because of flash being build into windows, but am I the only one scared for millions of security bugs now adobe has control over system parts, has special previliges and has even control on Windows Update? Flash is one open hole for hackers to get in, and Microsoft decised to build it right in.

And how can I remove flash from my Windows? I don't want gouverments or any other copmany having value information on me have a system running with flash. (not on Windows 7, not on Windows 8 by default)

You can turn it off in the internet options I'm guessing. I never looked into it but I've seen screenshots. Just disable it and see if that changes anything.

GP007 said,

You can turn it off in the internet options I'm guessing. I never looked into it but I've seen screenshots. Just disable it and see if that changes anything.

Yes I see, it's in the addon manager of IE. But I still feel like I should have an option to remove it completely in an easy way, like with add or remove windows features.

Peter van Dam said,

Yes I see, it's in the addon manager of IE. But I still feel like I should have an option to remove it completely in an easy way, like with add or remove windows features.

Well, as far as I've seen it's only "built-in" to the metro IE10 version, the desktop version still has/uses it as a add-on that you should be able to uninstall from that version of IE10 at least.

Peter van Dam said,

Now maybe it's not because of flash being build into windows, but am I the only one scared for millions of security bugs now adobe has control over system parts, has special previliges and has even control on Windows Update? Flash is one open hole for hackers to get in, and Microsoft decised to build it right in.

I agree. I don't like this much at all to be honest. I'm hoping Microsoft is now assisting Adobe with the development because Adobe clearly knows very little about security.

M_Lyons10 said,

I agree. I don't like this much at all to be honest. I'm hoping Microsoft is now assisting Adobe with the development because Adobe clearly knows very little about security.

don't worry, flash player is compatible with Enhanced Protected Mode, the new IE10 sandbox. However it is still disabled by default on IE10/desktop, you have to enable it manually (in internet options, advanced, security) because only the classic sandbox (vista's protected mode) is enabled by default.

The real question, is will there be Adobe flash support on WOA tablets? If not, that will be another major difference between x86 and ARM based tablets.

Omen1393 said,
The real question, is will there be Adobe flash support on WOA tablets? If not, that will be another major difference between x86 and ARM based tablets.

question that has already been answered:

"Adobe is committed to delivering this same Flash Player support for Metro style IE on both x86/64 and the initial delivery of Windows RT PCs (Windows running on ARM processors)."

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/arc...-ie10-platform-preview.aspx

Omen1393 said,
The real question, is will there be Adobe flash support on WOA tablets? If not, that will be another major difference between x86 and ARM based tablets.
That question was answered without even being answered. Most smartphones use ARM based processors. iPhone uses an ARM processor that Apple designs for their own needs. Pretty much any processor not based on Intel will be ARM based. Now, Android is a mobile OS...right? It does support Flash asa plug-in..right? Any software that is a plug-in, can be coded right into the foundation of the software it was designed to run on.

One of the reasons Javascripts and Flash used plugins because it made for fast updating by the developer. Those plugins require constant changes that needed to happen without changing the application that requires the plugin.

If Microsoft has indeed built Flash capability right into the browser, this will mean they would have to update the browser with any change made to the flash code. This is certainly good, but could also be bad.

Microsoft could limit how Flash is executed. For a web page designer this could mean many actionscripts may have to be changed or completely eliminated.

The original flash code, loads Flash movies as an object that was separate from HTML. However, even now before IE10, you can embed the code into the page so that Flash loads as if it was an image or media file.

This is why many are prasing HTML5, because the code for handling media is in the HTML and elininates the need for the plugin. The plugin simply calls up the application needed to play the file. In this case the Flash Player. All is required is either, an HTML tag that will allow Flash files to play native by the brower, or you simply integrate the Flash Player into the browser itself and create a reference or tag for it to simply play.

I expected this to happen. There are still some things that Flash does right. I think that as long as this brings further compatibility to IE10 and doesn't bog the browser down, good on them.

Mulsivaas said,
I expected this to happen. There are still some things that Flash does right. I think that as long as this brings further compatibility to IE10 and doesn't bog the browser down, good on them.

I hope that Flash can be turned off for those that don't want it though...

M_Lyons10 said,

I hope that Flash can be turned off for those that don't want it though...


I'd be surprised if it couldn't.

Flash updating through Windows update is about the best compromise they could have come to.

Now if we can just get the idiots to stop turning off Windows update the instant they install an OS, we'll have less problems.

Wakers said,
Flash updating through Windows update is about the best compromise they could have come to.

Now if we can just get the idiots to stop turning off Windows update the instant they install an OS, we'll have less problems.

I know, right? I will never understand why people do that...

M_Lyons10 said,

I know, right? I will never understand why people do that...

at work, we have 200-300 PCs running/controlling automated robots that also need network/internet access, and zero-down time is required. restarts because of updates are out of question.

nekrosoft13 said,

at work, we have 200-300 PCs running/controlling automated robots that also need network/internet access, and zero-down time is required. restarts because of updates are out of question.


I can understand that. But not consumers turning off Windows Updates... and all the while doing online credit card transactions on their computers.

M_Lyons10 said,

I know, right? I will never understand why people do that...

I heard at staples one time in the "tech" department a guy selling another guy a laptop tell hime "the first thing you want to do is disable automatic updates, they don't do anything but slow your system down.. we can do that for you also"

M_Lyons10 said,

I know, right? I will never understand why people do that...

I have mine disabled mainly because im never home and its just about always on my t-mobile connection. Ever get windows update do auto-updates while on edge?? Yeah.. good luck stopping them. lmao