More Windows Live Messenger 2010 screenshots leaked

Development of Windows Live Wave 4 is in full swing as Microsoft prepares the next versions of its consumer software and service offerings. With Windows Live Messenger apparently having reached milestone 3, screenshots have started appearing on the web showing its improved interface and new social features.

Following the first images back in December last year, more appeared in January and then just a couple of days ago the most recent screenshot surfaced. Now even more screenshots have been spotted by LiveSide, posted at cnBeta.com, which reveal additional features that should make their way into Windows Live Messenger version 15 - also know as version 2010.

The first screenshot shows the "Social" view, similar to that seen in the other image leaked this week. Here we see that you can "connect" to Twitter and WordPress as well as Windows Live and Facebook as we saw previously. Whilst it was initially thought that connecting might be to different instant messaging network, this throws doubt on those suggestions as Twitter and WordPress do not feature IM services. It may instead by linking you other online accounts in a similar way to the current Web Activities.

As well as this we can see a new header theme (there will be multiple themes to choose from) and possible geo-tagging support (notice the "View on map" link underneath the top-right photo). Below that photo is a "video message" which could signal the invigoration of Windows Live Video Messages - a service which allows you to record messages through your webcam and send them to online or offline recipients, currently through a web-based interface. The videos in the screenshot appear to be embedded, which could mean playback within the Messenger window.

This screenshot shows the new "Friends" view from where you can see all your contacts and arrange and group them into different categories and views. Contacts are shown in a new layout and the what's new feed finds itself on the right side. One interesting think to point out might be the text "Find people with Bing" in the search bar, perhaps suggesting a greater integration between Bing and social networks such as Windows Live and Facebook in the future. Notice that this screenshot differs slightly from the first one in the position and design of some icons, confirming that all these screenshots will not necessarily represent the final interface.

For those of you that may just want to use Messenger to chat, an option exists to switch back to the classic and more compact contact list pane. Some of the new features, such as the "Connected to" options, are carried through to this view. The blurred out text towards the top of the window appears to be an email address and the appearance of an arrow beside it may signal that you can choose between other social network or website logins, or other Windows Live accounts. This could possibly be the much-requested polygamy feature finally making its way into Messenger, although don't get your hopes up just yet.

cnBeta.com also include a screenshot of the About screen to prove the build is genuine, and their articles seems to suggest that Windows Live Messenger 2010 will be designed for Windows 7, removing support for Windows XP but remaining available for Vista.

Another interesting screenshot has appeared on Wikikou which shows some more of the new emoticons. The new emoticons provide a simple revamp of the existing Messenger ones which have been in use for years.

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I don't see how it is bloated. M2 is very fast And not bloated at all. The screenshots showed huge ads but they may have been testing ones. Since M2 has only small ones like in Wave 3! And if you resize the window it fits fine Also if you don't use FB + Twitter don't complain as the rest of us (Including me) like and want it. Why do you think there is the contact mode button. To switch to the view of WLM 2009. It looks the same with a view changes so it is small. And you may like the changes. I like it you can find contacts better now.

I love how people are 'hating' a product that hasn't even been released yet. Wait till the damned thing is released before you judge it.

DarkNovaGamer said,
I love how people are 'hating' a product that hasn't even been released yet. Wait till the damned thing is released before you judge it.

They don't hate the program, they hate the way it looks till now.

DarkNovaGamer said,
I love how people are 'hating' a product that hasn't even been released yet. Wait till the damned thing is released before you judge it.

Agreed

Looking at these screenshots the first thing that comes into mind is what a pile of junk. I know, "don't judge a book by its cover", but this looks nothing shy of an ad infested, resource hogging, pile of trash. I'm all for extra features, and that's not my issue -- my issue lies with the ads and how everything is scattered across a huge window.

When I think of an instant messaging client I think of a fairly small client with a buddy list window and some options in there that I can tweak to fit my style. My idea of an instant messaging client would also have a button I can click on that shows other notifications. It's not as much the features as it is the overall design. And I'm not too worried about the ads, because there will be hacks to remove the ads -- but that's beside the point.

I suppose that the "look and feel" of this new version of Live Messenger is not an absolute matter, but it depends on what I will choose as social networking (as you can easily notice from screenshot 3).
I'm glad it will have facebook chat support, not because I will use it but because many people will and will prefer live messenger to other clients for that.
But I also think that it's quite early for having a right impression on this new version. I'll wait for the beta or the RC to do that.

eh, almost everything microsoft makes ends up getting leaked...i personally don't use that messenger bc to me it's bloaty i'll stick with trillian

i'd like to see more slots for dynamic display pics. right now there's only 4 available to fill i'd like the ability to pause file transfers and even "save" them to continue on another time/day. i forgot, i think AOL did/does that. would be fantastic with MSN because a majority of MSN users "stay with MSN" because our sweethearts don't want to change messengers. lol

i also want an official PANDA emoticon. i use my own panda emos, but an OFFICIAL one would rock!!!

I've disliked Windows Live Messenger since it came out.
Everyone had ICQ not too long ago but that quickly changed. AOL turned ICQ into bloatware and all the new people that I met on the net used MSN Messenger and were completely oblivious to ICQ so I had no choice but to not chat or move to MSN Messenger.

XMPP seems great and Google Talk is slim but they haven't updated Google Talk since 2007 so I'm wondering what they are planning.

I really don't understand the bitching on this site, if you don't want the rest of the stuff then just go to 'classic view' and it will look pretty much the same as the version that's out now, i thought people on this site used there head a bit more.

TonyLock said,
I just want to send and receive simple text messages from my friends. I don't need all this pointless bloat.

Since when did Microsoft develop software specifically to your requirements? They don't. They try to cater for everybody which is why they allow you to "send and receive simple text messages from [your] friends" and they allow me to see the latest updates from all the social networks I use.

:x Microsoft definitely should revert to what they have for the Mac version of Messenger, but allow video chat for personal users as well as enterprise users (currently enterprise only on the Mac). An IM client is supposed to be simple, NOT all of this bloatware crap. Ads, I could live with, but ever since MSN 7 was released for Windows, it's gotten ridiculous to a point that even ICQ looked minimalistic by comparison.

I've noticed a trend in the bashing of WLM in this thread; just about all of it is over the adverts. Has it completely slipped your attention that *because* Microsoft is a publicly-traded company (not private, and not government-owned), that it has to defray product costs somehow? One of the ways Windows Live (and the other two major IM services, Yahoo and AIM) defrays those costs is via selling ad space. (Third-party IM clients don't have those costs, so they are perfectly free to toss ads.)

And as far as Pidgin vs. Empathy, I have continued to have problems with Empathy, even on GNOME, and don't even get me started on Empathy on KDE. In both cases, the least-problematical IM client remains (surprisingly) Pidgin. (Pidgin even waxes Kopete on KDE, and Kopete is KDE 4.4's default IM client.)

Effectiveness is the number-one priority for software in my humble opinion as a user. Looks can be changed; ineffectivity is to the bone.

I actually think Visually it appears clean and slick... reminds me of the Zune interface in many ways, but then again everything Microsoft is doing is getting that smooth interface. Should be good when it's released, which I hope is soon to at least Beta test it.

Again, you can't LOOK at something and tell if it BLOATED or not. Visual looks and features have NOTHING to do with performance, RAM usage, or quality of the Code.

This thing could be 10x faster and lighter than the existing messenger, looks are just pictures and tiny and lightweight.

This reminds me of the whole OSS movement where all software looks like crap from the 90s, and there is a reason software has evolved to not look like crap from the 90s.

Sure it could be crap, but nobody here will know until they freaking try it...

Hopefully Microsoft reads these comments and realizes how bloaty this is.

It would be nice if Messenger was a social platform app. If it had a simple IM interface but had a functionality like the silverlight app for facebook. That does not look cheesy. Whatever they have now does.

ObiWanToby said,
Hopefully Microsoft reads these comments and realizes how bloaty this is.

It would be nice if Messenger was a social platform app. If it had a simple IM interface but had a functionality like the silverlight app for facebook. That does not look cheesy. Whatever they have now does.

*bursts through door* "Steve! STEVE!"
"Dammit! I almost beat Bill's time for advanced minesweeper. WHAT."
"It's Neowin! The commenters...they don't like WLM!!!"
":("

As someone who simply does not use Twitter or Facebook, the new main UI is of absolutely no interest to me, and I probably won't suddenly add this to my current Digsby+Skype arrangement, but...

I do think it's a *nice* interface, and the min one is definitely an improvement over the last version. Complaints about the ad are silly and I'm ignoring those, since virtually everyone on NeoWin who would use WLM have regularly installed apatch for years anyway. Even if the ad wasn't there, they'd install apatch to adjust other aspects of WLM, so if you're going to install the add-on anyway, why gripe about something that will inevitably be removed? Principles? So nice to see nobility in how we choose our software. Truly the world has become a better, brighter, more peaceful place with such strong principles. I stand in awe.

Anyway. There was a comment earlier about how this move doesn't jive with MS targeting business users, but I wonder about that, too. Seems to me the corporate world has been adopting a social networking habit ten times faster than they'd ever adopt, say, a new version of a web browser. More and more of these corp types seem to be using FB on a daily basis, and even tweets have reared their ugly, uncivilized heads.

I really like this new WLM version coming out its packed with features and looks more unified and makes it more nicer to have all the content I use in one place, and possible feature to switch from the big pane to the single pane its cool. Nice one Microsoft look forward to the release.

freedomx said,
I really like this new WLM version coming out its packed with features and looks more unified and makes it more nicer to have all the content I use in one place, and possible feature to switch from the big pane to the single pane its cool. Nice one Microsoft look forward to the release.

Agreed

All you guys crying bloat are hilarious, you have options to turn most of it off and who cares anyway, what is all this CPU and RAM for?

bob_c_b said,
All you guys crying bloat are hilarious, you have options to turn most of it off and who cares anyway, what is all this CPU and RAM for?

lol, exactly, computers cost next to nothing with phenominal ammounts of cpu power and ram. besides, functionality and features make a good program' and if coded right, should still be very easy on resources, like what MS finally did with Win 7.

LUTZIFER said,

lol, exactly, computers cost next to nothing with phenominal ammounts of cpu power and ram. besides, functionality and features make a good program' and if coded right, should still be very easy on resources, like what MS finally did with Win 7.

Exactly ;)

Wh-wh-whaaaaat???
I can't believe what I see... and in all honesty, I'm hoping it's a nightmare. Guys, pinch me as hard as possible...

Funny how the critics respond to "new" features being bloat ware yet want new features, tighter integration between various social networks and still have it look like a single non ad driven IM interface. I guess providing a intuitive interface for most of the average users who don't complain that adding a few more megabytes to their IM client will vastly improve their overall experience while consuming less than 1/1000 of diskspace. Google talk? Are you kidding me? Hate the AD's that support this free client? Hate a modern interface while complaining about pre 1990 emoticons being better?

Glad you critics were not the driving force behind the beta.

So when you start using it at release and still complain please let us know. Since there are no other good choice out there right?

mrmomoman said,
Funny how the critics respond to "new" features being bloat ware yet want new features

Dude.... there's definitely a way to incorporate those without making the app look like crap.

PsykX said,

Dude.... there's definitely a way to incorporate those without making the app look like crap.


I've not seen any screenshots yet which haven't shown an improved look and feel. Obviously, it's all about opinion.

Edited by Calum, Feb 21 2010, 3:49pm :

Calum said,

I've not seen any screenshots yet which haven't shown an improved look and feel. Obviously, it's all about opinion.

Me neither, that's the problem. It looks like bloat, but when you look at it, fundamentally, it's not that bad (ads put aside obviously). It's just the way the features are incorporated that's totally wrong.

For instance, Facebook has gazillions of features, but it doesn't really look like bloatware. They've been incorporated in a better way. I'm talking about the whole website now. Even if it's a website and Live is an app, it doesn't matter. They just don't give a crap about the design of this thing.

meh as long as can have a reasonably minimal look still like in second to last screen shot then i'll bite my tongue and use it but i'll never use an IM if it looks like that rubbish in first two :S

At least Microsoft are providing an option to switch back to Classic.
Who knows, you may like the new social pane - it could be handy, but you don't know yet until you have tried it.
If not, at least you will have tried it, and then you are able to switch back to the default view.
It's not like it is completely forced.
As for the emoticons, they look better, the older ones looked out of place with Wave 3/4. They just need to finish the rest off.

When the public beta comes out, many minds may change when you actually come to use it.

As they say, don't judge a book on it's cover, or in this case, don't judge the software on a beta screenshot ;)

This looks better than previous screenshots, and hopefully everything will be optional and collapsible.

Ely said,
This looks better than previous screenshots, and hopefully everything will be optional and collapsible.

If you see, there are different views, so you can customize it in some way :)

Exoskeletor said,
where is an image with tab messaging? they promise us something like that
Here's a screenshot which leaked in January showing an early version of the tabbed messaging integration: http://www.neowin.net/images/uploaded/WLMW4_1.png

It looks awful. Just so crowded and eurgh. I like the current style how it is. You can set it so it literally just displays your contacts. Nice and simple. I don't know why they need to introduce all this extra stuff. If you can disable it, then fair enough, but if you can't, then I'll stay on the current version.

Hopefully there are some new emoticons. :P

djpailo said,
It looks awful. Just so crowded and eurgh. I like the current style how it is. You can set it so it literally just displays your contacts. Nice and simple. I don't know why they need to introduce all this extra stuff. If you can disable it, then fair enough, but if you can't, then I'll stay on the current version.

Hopefully there are some new emoticons. :P


are you blind? did you not see the classic look? and the new emoticons?

djpailo said,
It looks awful. Just so crowded and eurgh. I like the current style how it is. You can set it so it literally just displays your contacts. Nice and simple. I don't know why they need to introduce all this extra stuff. If you can disable it, then fair enough, but if you can't, then I'll stay on the current version.

Hopefully there are some new emoticons. :P

You're not serious, right ?

Am I the only one of few who thinks this looks totaly awesome! I can't wait for it. I really want to try it. I mean Facebook and twitter all with MSN. That is just rocking!

TechDudeGeorge said,
I thinks this looks totaly awesome! I can't wait for it. I really want to try it. I mean Facebook and twitter all with MSN. That is just rocking!

True :)

TechDudeGeorge said,
Am I the only one of few who thinks this looks totaly awesome! I can't wait for it. I really want to try it. I mean Facebook and twitter all with MSN. That is just rocking!

I'd rather see interoperability with other chat protocols, instead of FB, Twitter, etc.

I keep getting notices from my live account about women who wish to meet me. I never opted for the spam or nuisance and I cannot block it. If I wanted a women I would just go and find one but not like a slut machine mechanism. I thought Hotmail was bad for spam, now it looks like live is getting the same stick. I hope that this does not become another Yahoo mess.

@belto,
My GMail account is 100% spam, you can't imagine the amount of spam I receive in the inbox (yes directly in the inbox). In the other hand my Live account is 99.99% spam-free, and the occasional spam is automatically redirected to the spam folder.

It's just a matter of how and where you use your email adress :)

belto said,
I keep getting notices from my live account about women who wish to meet me. I never opted for the spam or nuisance and I cannot block it.

I've noticed that problem too in the last weeks. Hope it's a just temporary spam problem, because it's quite annoying...
Anyways screenshots look bloated also to me. I'm seriously thinking about giving a try to Pidgin or Miranda, hoping that they didn't have anymore those problem with last MSN protocol features (offline messaging or signing in from different locations for example)

E.Fahd said,

My GMail account is 100% spam, you can't imagine the amount
of spam I receive in the inbox (yes directly in the inbox).


It's just a matter of how and where you use your email adress :)


You've obviously been signing up to some dodgy websites using your GMail address then.


At least 98% of the spam that comes to my GMail automatically goes to the Spam folder,
with only occasional spam e-mails escaping Google's spam filter, and going to the Inbox.


Google Mail has the best spam filtering of all the popular webmail services, bar none.

Edited by DJGM, Feb 21 2010, 4:27pm :

DJGM said,

You've obviously been signing up to some dodgy websites using your GMail address then.


At least 98% of the spam that comes to my GMail automatically goes to the Spam folder,
with only occasional spam e-mails escaping Google's spam filter, and going to the Inbox.


Google Mail has the best spam filtering of all the popular webmail services, bar none.


Agreed from me, and this is also what I've heard by others too.

Edited by Northgrove, Feb 21 2010, 4:19pm :

Looks like MS has lost it. There is no way I am putting that thing on my PC. I am even in temptation whether to install the current version of Messenger let alone that super bloated bloatware. These guys can't be serious and I hope they are not.

It isn't bloated! Look at Yahoo! Messenger 10 for crying out loud! They gave up Yahoo! Messenger for Vista for some crappy client that screams XP! Look how much bloat they fit in it. Windows Live Messenger might need a new name, but this isn't bloat. It is beautiful and integrates to social services.

Everybody just got lost in the old way of communicating, they have their set way of communicating, but Facebook and Twitter are setting in. These services are a big part of communicating, Live Messenger is not going anywhere unless it evolves, this is evolution. It is evolving into a client that connects you to all your communication platforms such as Windows Live, Facebook, Twitter, etc. It will fit in well with Windows Phone 7 Series.

My first thought was WTF? too, but on the other side, who keep the contact list always on the screen? It's minimized in the tray, and if I open it the size is unimportant, apart from that the second picture is more clearly arranged.

I can safely say that this is going to rock ! The emoticons are great, we finally get a ":)" that doesn't look like he's faking his smile and having Facebook, Twitter and Messenger in the same place is awesome.

E.Fahd said,

Being lightweight isn't about looks.

What is it about then? It has many features and many interface tweaks you don't need, plus it has huge adverts. Somehow I doubt it'll match up to Miranda IM in terms of lightweight-edness and smoothness...

what said,

Does it look lightweight to you?

Did you try it ? i guess not
Don't judge something before you try it your self

Edited by tcaffeine, Feb 21 2010, 12:00pm :

tcaffeine said,

Did you try it ? i guess not
Don't judge something before you try it your self

Why not? Since when has something flashy ever been fast?

what said,

Why not? Since when has something flashy ever been fast?

why not? you will miss lead others and because it's not even out
flashy better than ugly and simple

what said,

Why not? Since when has something flashy ever been fast?

The Zune software which is like a 1000 times richer than what we see here, with a lot of animations and dynamic content runs smoothly on any decent computer. And it's not like they are forcing you to use the extra stuff, you can swith to classic mode in one click and forget about the rest.

Anyway, that's not even the point. I don't see anything flashy in the above screenshots, so do you even know what you're talking about ? For you to make a fair jusgement you would at least have to see it in action.

what said,

Why not? Since when has something flashy ever been fast?

I was going to say Zune Software like E.Fahd did but Neowin Mobile on my iPhone doesn't like to post a reply that's in the remaining comments, it just refreshes the page without the remaining comments. So now getting on the computer, I would like to say that the Zune Software is extremely fast. I'm glad that I'm not the only who *knows* this.

Not everything has to be ugly to be fast, this isn't the days of Windows XP where you turn on Windows Classic to speed the computer up and turn the Themes Service off. Aero Glass relies on the GPU and lets the CPU do more important things, so Aero Glass makes the system faster.

wow that's really great! now Microsoft have much more space to include bigger Ads and make more $ so at the end users are working for Microsoft for free is that fair?
that's why i keep my windows live mail for spams only i don't like it but that's all what i get in there!

technohunt said,
wow that's really great! now Microsoft have much more space to include bigger Ads and make more $ so at the end users are working for Microsoft for free is that fair?
that's why i keep my windows live mail for spams only i don't like it but that's all what i get in there!

Yes it is fair, they have to pay for their servers.

Jf11 said,
I hope it doesn't have that horrible advert and re-arange the layout.

apatch will come to the rescue. ;)

Edited by artnada, Feb 21 2010, 7:44am :

It looks like Microsoft is pushing for a cohesive online package that includes all its social networks. It has huge potential considering the large Xbox community database it can tie in.

However, I am sticking with Digsby (Windows) and Beejive IM on the iPhone as my IM cliients.

Anarkii said,
Any idea when we can try this out for ourselves? (the new compact design looks great, the fat version, not so much)

I've heard that it will be 'soon'...

I like the ability for a reduced/compact view. But it's nice if they're trying to keep a one-stop app. They'll need document editing and it would round it out.

One interface to update/communicate with your whole virtual world. cool beans.

majg said,
I like the ability for a reduced/compact view. But it's nice if they're trying to keep a one-stop app. They'll need document editing and it would round it out.

One interface to update/communicate with your whole virtual world. cool beans.

But how many one stop apps do we really need? They are all just duplicating the functionally of each other. As long as trillian and other messengers like it continue to work, the tech world won't complain i suppose. I know for me this sort of bloatware is pointless though I'm sure the more average pc user would benefit from this sort of thing but just imagine what happens when aol/yahoo follow this.

I can't help but think there will be a bit of an overhaul by release time, albeit a bit of refinement to this mess. I understand the Zune-style UI everywhere, but this implementation looks clunky at best.

clindhartsen said,
I can't help but think there will be a bit of an overhaul by release time, albeit a bit of refinement to this mess. I understand the Zune-style UI everywhere, but this implementation looks clunky at best.

Zune-style UI? It's called the Metro UI. The Zune HD doesn't even use this look as much as others do like Windows Phone 7 Series or Zune Software 4.0 or even Windows Media Center for Windows 7. Zune HD has some different fonts.

Electric Jolt said,

Zune-style UI? It's called the Metro UI.

If you don't see the similarities, then you're not looking hard enough. What you're seeing is the first evolution toward that end.

The Premise is NUI. Unfortunately this release hasn't embraced that paradigm yet. I would expect the next release to take an introspective look at how their code enhances peoples lives, and then build out from that in a way that is meaningful and consistant with the other products you are using atm.

clindhartsen said,
I can't help but think there will be a bit of an overhaul by release time, albeit a bit of refinement to this mess. I understand the Zune-style UI everywhere, but this implementation looks clunky at best.

Still a beta, they will most likely clean up everything before the release.

in fact, i hate the new emoticons. not only they are plain AWFUL but also lack any of the charm of the former emoticons. they only should have added some expressions and that's it.

thartist said,
in fact, i hate the new emoticons. not only they are plain AWFUL but also lack any of the charm of the former emoticons.

well I though the old emoticons stank, so...

thartist said,
in fact, i hate the new emoticons. not only they are plain AWFUL but also lack any of the charm of the former emoticons. they only should have added some expressions and that's it.

They have added more expression to these ones. How else are they really much different apart from more expression?

thartist said,
in fact, i hate the new emoticons. not only they are plain AWFUL but also lack any of the charm of the former emoticons. they only should have added some expressions and that's it.

The new ones are loads better.
They just need to finish of the rest as some of them are XP-style if you know what I mean.

JTaylor69 said,

The new ones are loads better.
They just need to finish of the rest as some of them are XP-style if you know what I mean.


yea, the new ones are way better

Tech Star said,
Windows live is starting to look like bloatware.

Just me, but I think it look rather awesome. I know they're trying to tie their live social networking in WLM, but it'd be even more awesome if they allow facebook,myspace,twitter, etc. While at it, they would turn it on to a Digsby competitor and add all other im protocol like Jabber, AIM, Yahoo,etc. I'd also be nice if they'd remove the ginormous AD. If they do everything I asked, I'd gladly ditch Digsby forever.

Edited by flexkeyboard, Feb 21 2010, 6:31am :

I think this is going to be the best wave yet! It is fantastic! The new look is really nice, and the integration and all is really good. The ads are getting bigger, and I think that's a big ****ing mistake for Microsoft, but a-patch is our friends for life I guess. :)

Metro UI ftw! :D

vice le von said,

...allow facebook...

correct myself. If you look at the icons at the bottom right, you can see facebook,twitter,wordpress icons. This is awesome! A patch will remove that AD forever ;)

Edited by flexkeyboard, Feb 21 2010, 6:05am :

Tech Star said,
Windows live is starting to look like bloatware. <img src="http://www.neowin.net/forum/style_emoticons/default/hmm.gif" alt="" />

Disagree. The compact view looks cleaner and less cluttered than it did in previous waves, so it's less bloated in some respects. You don't need to use the new views, and they shouldn't make it "slow".

Bloated claim fail.

Tech Star said,
Windows live is starting to look like bloatware.

I don't understand what's wrong with including useful features :S Most of these social features I've heard of sound very useful to me. It might get to the point where I don't need to visit Facebook to see my feed and chat to my friends and can have all of that and other IM in one application - Windows Live Messenger.

I find it stupid when people call software bloat just because it includes many features that person doesn't find useful - you can either turn those features off or not use them, but others will find them useful!

vice le von said,

Just me, but I think it look rather awesome. I know they're trying to tie their live social networking in WLM, but it'd be even more awesome if they allow facebook,myspace,twitter, etc. While at it, they would turn it on to a Digsby competitor and add all other im protocol like Jabber, AIM, Yahoo,etc. I'd also be nice if they'd remove the ginormous AD. If they do everything I asked, I'd gladly ditch Digsby forever.

Just you. :)

noleafclover said,

Disagree. The compact view looks cleaner and less cluttered than it did in previous waves, so it's less bloated in some respects. You don't need to use the new views, and they shouldn't make it "slow".
Bloated claim fail.

Look at Pidgin, Adium, GTalk or Trillian, that's how IM app should look like, not taking half the screen with ads and crap 90% people don't even need. Even if you change the view and only use few features, it's still giant thing behind, more bugs, more chances for attack (Microsoft never learns), ... Maybe it's good for you, but most people use it as IM, business users are main target, that's something most of kids/geeks here fail to understand.

theh0g said,

Look at Pidgin, Adium, GTalk or Trillian, that's how IM app should look like, not taking half the screen with ads and crap 90% people don't even need. Even if you change the view and only use few features, it's still giant thing behind, more bugs, more chances for attack (Microsoft never learns), ... Maybe it's good for you, but most people use it as IM, business users are main target, that's something most of kids/geeks here fail to understand.

So you're basically saying every program on earth should stop updating because doing so can bring more bugs and a larger attack area ... are you serious ?

They are bringing new features, those features can't be shown comfortably in a vertical contact-list, so they're offering you the CHOICE to expand the window and use the new stuff.

PS : any criticism towards anything but the looks is irrelevant as the only thing we have at hand now is a bunch of beta screenshots.

Nightwind Hawk said,

...Starting??


Haha, exactly my thought. It ALREADY has ads, an annoying "start screen" by default, and advertisement links in the right-click menus. WLM was never the IM application you used if you wanted to avoid bloat and ads. The first thing I do in it is to disable half of the enabled settings in the contact window, and then run APatch.

Edited by Northgrove, Feb 21 2010, 4:28pm :

theh0g said,
Maybe it's good for you, but most people use it as IM, business users are main target, that's something most of kids/geeks here fail to understand.
Actually business users are not the main target at all. Microsoft has a different product designed for business IM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_Communicator

Shareware bloatware. I have never seen worse emoticons than these. Looks like they told a kid to fool around with some of them as he/she pleases. I would have been happier if every Messenger version didn't get slower. And then when users complain, they throw away feature people use to simplify and clean stuff instead of optimizing performance without sacrificing features. Windows Live. Our life oversimplified.

Edited by , Feb 21 2010, 8:33pm :

Tech Star said,
Windows live is starting to look like bloatware.

I agree. I've been worried about the direction of Windows Live Messenger for quite some time now...

theh0g said,

...business users are main target, that's something most of kids/geeks here fail to understand.

Think you'll find Office Communications Server is Microsoft's enterprise IM platform. Few businesses big enough to be targeted will be using Windows Live.

What business IT department allows Windows Live to be installed anyway?! A mom and pop business of 4 people doesn't really count.

Windows Live is Microsoft's CONSUMER offering - as the first sentence of the article mentions.

Tech Star said,
Windows live is starting to look like bloatware.

Actually, it is. It will EAT half or 3/4 of your RAM (doesn't matter whether u have 512MB or 16GB...), and you'll get exposed to god knows how many threats. XD