Neowin forums return

The Neowin Forums have returned to their online status. Despite a weekend of almost nonstop work by myself, Dave, Tim, Rob, and multiple outside sources from Invision and elsewhere, we were unable to make Invision Power Board 3 work effectively on our servers, and have thusly downgraded the forums to the previous IPB 2.3 board.

While it is unfortunate that the work we put into IPB 3 has been put off for the time being, we made the decision that getting the forums back online was of the utmost importance.

The downside, currently, is this: the Neowin Forums will be using the Finity theme we had prior to our Ignition / Atlas launch. Additionally, any posts made during our brief uptime on Invision Power Board 3 have been lost. We have reverted to the database in use as of Friday, January 15, at 12:00 PM GMT.

Our front page has been holding up quite well since our upgrade on Friday: even throughout high load times when the forum would barely load, the front page has been incredibly snappy, and our news has looked better than ever in our new Atlas stylings.

We wholeheartedly thank all of our members for sticking with us throughout this downtime. It truly is heartbreaking to see months of work simply not work the way it should, but we really just wanted the forums back. We hope that you can be understanding of this very, very difficult decision.

Anyway, the point is, we're back. Let's get this community rolling again!

Thanks,

Simon, Dave, Tim and Rob
Neowin Developers

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About me in. Sad news. But nothing poradzicie.
And Yes You have done very good job.
I would have hoped that one day I will see IPB3 forum.
And do not worry.

Well, you do what you can. I mean that was to be expected.

I'm sure Invision will come up with something to help out.

You haven't scrapped the effort have you? The forums really did look amazing, so I hope one day we'll have it back.

Thanks for all the work too. :)

The forums are back. That's the most important part. Just take your time ironing out the kinks and try again when you all can. A lot of us have been at Neowin for years. We're not leaving for something as small as this. Keep up the good work, everyone.

A program doesn't make the community. It's the people who post that do. This place is amazing. I always get help when I need it most and its always a friendly place. Long live NEOWIN.

When the forums loaded up for me this morning I was pleased, then I realized what I was looking at. So sorry to see that it didn't go well guys :(. However, I have faith in your über brains that it will all work out eventually and you'll find the solution. <3

yeah, i know the feeling... im stuck on this maths problem which i cannot crack for the life of me... worked through a whole page of calculations just to get to a dead end...

I'm sure the Neowin Team will handle the issue in due time. The new front page design is great, and I really hope you will launch IPB 3.0 after all. Best of luck and thank you for keeping us up to date during the launch

Thanks for the effort as we were all behind you. But Neowin must continue to operate at a profit and we are with you in your decisions.

So, are you still going to try and fix the problem? Has the IPB team replied to your issues yet? I really liked 3.0 :l

Razorwing said,
awwwwww.. well as the saying goes, 'If you fail, then try again."

I assume you're referring to the age old "If at first you don't succeed, cheat, repeat until caught, and then lie". Unfortunately, it's pretty hard to cheat at php.

DaveLegg said,

I assume you're referring to the age old "If at first you don't succeed, cheat, repeat until caught, and then lie". Unfortunately, it's pretty hard to cheat at php.

I think he is referring to "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again." I've never heard your version Dave!

Where is the :facepalm: emoticon when you need it. I remember the transition during the previous upgrade was fraught with similar load issues, maybe a less ambitious upgrade to say 2.5 would be better?

Sorry to hear that, we appreciate all the hard work. I'm glad the updates to the main site went smoothly - the mobile experience is much better. Hope you can get IPB3 working at some stage.

OMG I have been a customer of IPS since 2000 even before they started charging for using IPB. I cannot believe IPS could not resolve this problem which begs the question, now you have discovered there is a potential major issue with IPB 3.0.3 when you tried to migrate and use IPB 3.0.3 ob your servers. I bet though, this will prompt IPS to look into this further and hopefully will patch this 3.0.3 I cannot imagine Matt letting this go without looking into this further, there is an obveous issue here somewhere, which needs looking into. I myself am running IPB 3.0.3 and the new features and look is awesome. Very sad to see neowin could not get thus to work, compared with the new look of the front page the forum would be awesome.

EVANK said,
I myself am running IPB 3.0.3 and the new features and look is awesome.

If you're running IPB 3.0.3, then you should be upgrading.
The latest is 3.0.5

EddiePwnsYou said,
Just port atlas to 2.x?

After all the time we've put into the ipb3 portion of the site. It just is not worth it, we need to just figure out whats going on with your setup thats causing ipb3 to crap out.

Thanks for all the work you went through this weekend making sure Neowin would be back up and running asap (Im digging the new theme selector)

also, I hope everything works out with the upgrade issues without you guys having to rack you brains and stress too much I remember the feeling (sharepoint migration/upgrade that had custom code)

Sad to hear but as you say, one that needed to be made sooner rather than later while you are loosing money. It's not a total disaster, the work has been done so it's just a case of when now

Sounds like someone died in here. Come one guys the forums are back! Get back to spamming! :D

On a more serious note, thanks for all the work you've done so far. We'll be patient. :)

Still haven't seen anyone confirm or deny that we might have IPB 3 in the future if the kinks get ironed out?

Just wondering if it as an option to archive the current forums and start fresh with IPB 3? Would be a major hiccup I know, but would it be a big deal after a few months, when you look at the long run?

Wodin said,
Just wondering if it as an option to archive the current forums and start fresh with IPB 3? Would be a major hiccup I know, but would it be a big deal after a few months, when you look at the long run?

I was going to ask the same thing. Another board I sometimes visit had to do that a few years ago when a database error prevented any new posts to the forum. You could still read the old forum, but no new posts could be made.

Really sad that it didn't work out. Hopefully your can find the bug in reasonable time. You guys deserv some rest now. Good luck!

I wondered what happened. I chose earlier today to register for the first time then it all hit the fan about a half hour later. Then tried to logon on and hello no user by that name. Just re-registered and pleased to see it wasn't my fault. :-)

Sweep said,
I wondered what happened. I chose earlier today to register for the first time then it all hit the fan about a half hour later. Then tried to logon on and hello no user by that name. Just re-registered and pleased to see it wasn't my fault. :-)

Ha, yeah sorry about that. Welcome though :)

I have to be honest, the old forum looks so much nicer anyway. It actually uses the whole screen and everything isn't squished together like these comments are.

Saburac said,
I have to be honest, the old forum looks so much nicer anyway. It actually uses the whole screen and everything isn't squished together like these comments are.
So did the new forum theme...

I'm a little disappointed but at the same time I'm glad to see the forums running again. Hope to see you guys make a second effort!

It's disappointing news that the IPB3 upgrade has not worked as intended, and that it had to end with this decision. Kudos to the developers who have dedicated so much time upgrading Neowin, and attempting to fix the problems that the forum has had. At least the new front page has been a success, and I'm happy to see the forums up and and running.

What a shame. I was hoping i'd finally have an option to get rid of the tired old blue theme on the forums without having to revert them to how the site looked about 5 years ago..

though it is serious loss of time & effort but anyways "somethings" don't work as expected. at least the community is finally back & running & for the moment it is more important! Cheers Neowin!!

I have only worked briefly with IPB3, but I think everyone here can rest easy in knowing that IPB3 is not a piece of amateur code, but very well done.

In addition, I wouldn't blame the neowin staff either. The issue was probably brought on by an esoteric conflict between some of IPB's underlying code and with Neowin's server configuration.

I hope you guys will at least port the new atlas theme to 2.3.

Glad to see the site back up, but a little bummed out that things couldn't have gone smoother.

Nevertheless, you guys succeeded! From the first time I read Neowin's site I really enjoyed everything about it and since then you guys have been making it better and better. You guys have been successful from day one. Keep up the good work guys and I'm looking forward to seeing the new IPB 3 in the near future.

Totally agree with everything said above. Sad to see the forums revert back. I was looking forward to it.

Here's hoping it can be solved within this next month or two and brought back.

It's a shame that we couldn't truly experience the end product as it was intended. I know countless hours of hard work was put into the project by a number of individuals. In the end though, things happen that are beyond our control. I'm just glad the forums are back. And it's definitely better than the slow/inoperative state it was in the past couple of days.

Kudos to the developers and admins for their work in trying to make this possible. The front page alone was well-worth the effort. Thankfully, that worked.

I hope you guys just do a lot of background testing and slowly invite users to load the **** out of the background test to see if it works.

Ive had problems putting up forums boards where a big version change (2. > 3.) would break the forums. It simply was either an upgrade went wrong, or the fact that some of the files didnt play well. Its hard and VERY frustrating fixing the problem but I know you guys have it in you.

Dave, Ignition is amazing so far and Im glad to see your talents. I applaud you. To the rest of the team great job. To whoever thought about the scene idea, EPIC. I love it. Idk how you guys got the underlay and overlay to work, but I will be thinking about it for my own site and will give the rightful people credits for giving me the idea. I havent seen one site let you customize the header background.

Lets hope that IPB 3 is on neowin soon enough.

As I said, just rm -rf / and start all over.

Thanks for keeping at it as long as you did though. You'll figure it out, but take a break for now.

This is the sad world of programming I guess... will you guys continue working in the background on finding the issue and maybe within the next 30 days we could have Atlas, or have you guys given up on this? I liked the old theme a lot, but Atlas seems so perfect for me...

Unrelated : Thing is, by moving to IPB3, I thought we were going towards those fancy WYSIWYG editors. I see that it's not there (or it's because I am using Safari, but then again, Safari does support WYSIWYG editors), so in the end, IPB3 or 2 does not make a huuuuuge difference in my world. But I like to be always up to date :)

PsykX said,
This is the sad world of programming I guess... will you guys continue working in the background on finding the issue and maybe within the next 30 days we could have Atlas, or have you guys given up on this? I liked the old theme a lot, but Atlas seems so perfect for me...

Unrelated : Thing is, by moving to IPB3, I thought we were going towards those fancy WYSIWYG editors. I see that it's not there (or it's because I am using Safari, but then again, Safari does support WYSIWYG editors), so in the end, IPB3 or 2 does not make a huuuuuge difference in my world. But I like to be always up to date :)


Neowin just had it disabled or hadn't got around to enabling that feature yet, nothing to do with what IPB3 is capable of.

Well I am damn happy to see the forums back up and running. Best of luck with all the Neowin staff! Bugs are a real b*tch when it comes rolling things out, I hope you guys to the source of the problem!

So are we gonna see the new forum eventually? I understand there isn't an ETA or anything. But i mean in a month, 2 month time?

NeoXY said,
So are we gonna see the new forum eventually? I understand there isn't an ETA or anything. But i mean in a month, 2 month time?

+1

actually I am glad it is back up- I know they wanted them to have the new theme- However though I have grown quite fond of the old theme.

But I do know that they spent hours trying to make it work.... I thank them for the efforts.

l33txp said,
What did happen?

How I understand it: IPB3 sucks, and the servers couldn't handle the buggy code even with low forum traffic.

l33txp said,
What did happen?

Agree, I don't get it. From the info, it's as if it was about IPB after all, and their staff did a good job spending a lot of time on it, but couldn't resolve it. *shrug* Sounds pretty bad if true. Do that mean no IPB 3 in the foreseeable future for Neowin? What an ugly long term outlook if that's true.

Edited by Northgrove, Jan 19 2010, 8:53am :

Pupik said,

How I understand it: IPB3 sucks, and the servers couldn't handle the buggy code even with low forum traffic.

IPB3 is a solid piece of software, you'd be naive to blame one sites problem on the entire development of a piece of software thousands of websites use, many bigger than neowin.

Edited by TSO, Jan 19 2010, 5:19pm :

Pupik said,
Is it bad to suggest dumping IPB, and just move to free alternative like phpBB?

Yes, because IPB is the best forum software available. phpBB isn't just bad, it's abysmal and difficult to code skins for.

Chasethebase said,

Yes, because IPB is the best forum software available. phpBB isn't just bad, it's abysmal and difficult to code skins for.

phpBB is very simple to make skins for IMO. It's getting better as a forum software with every release.

Chasethebase said,
Yes, because IPB is the best forum software available.

No it's far from being the best, and this incident just proved it.
They really ought to cancel their contract with Ips, since they're incapable to get it running, and switch to something that isn't as craptacular. vB might be a better choice than phpBB since it has proven that it can handle big boards. Discuz would be another choice, it's as pupular in Asia as vB is in the West:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossday_Discuz!_Board

Lord Ba'al said,

No it's far from being the best, and this incident just proved it.
They really ought to cancel their contract with Ips, since they're incapable to get it running, and switch to something that isn't as craptacular. vB might be a better choice than phpBB since it has proven that it can handle big boards. Discuz would be another choice, it's as pupular in Asia as vB is in the West:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossday_Discuz!_Board

/agree
Being an addon developer for vB I can say that it's a dream to work with in every aspect.
In fairness though, few big boards have upgraded to vB4 yet, but there's no reason to believe it would send load times flying - it loads faster than vB3 for me. It's just by far a more polished product than IPB ever will be. I mean seriously, IPB can't even get thread previews working - wtf? By far a more useful feature than thread descriptions IMO.

The atlas theme was the only good thing going for the new revamp.

Now it just feels like there was a bunch of hype for nothing.

Don't get me wrong, I know everyone worked very hard on it, but at the end of the day it just failed.

neudera said,
The atlas theme was the only good thing going for the new revamp.

Now it just feels like there was a bunch of hype for nothing.

Don't get me wrong, I know everyone worked very hard on it, but at the end of the day it just failed.

We have a completely new front end, new theme to go with it, multiple new enhancements and features, and it hardly flinched when the servers were getting hammered.

I wouldn't call that a failure.

Edited by shockz, Jan 19 2010, 4:54am :

neudera said,
The atlas theme was the only good thing going for the new revamp.

Now it just feels like there was a bunch of hype for nothing.

Don't get me wrong, I know everyone worked very hard on it, but at the end of the day it just failed.


Unfortunately, I feel the same way.

I was so ready for the Atlas theme on the forums, and bam, had my hopes dashed by some problem code. That's why I always try and role my own solutions for stuff. And in Ruby (on Rails) too. PHP be damned. :P

Edited by Elliott, Jan 19 2010, 4:26am :

Kudos to everyone involved in this huge undertaking. Hopefully someone will find the answer. Thanks for your efforts.

this makes me sad. I would have rather waited a bit longer, not too long as the withdrawal was hard ya know ;-)

FireBomb said,
this makes me sad. I would have rather waited a bit longer, not too long as the withdrawal was hard ya know ;-)
We really couldn't give any sort of ETA, and had we kept the forums down any longer, serious money would be lost and the community may have been seriously damaged. We were really backed into a corner.

So is Atlas the default theme that comes with IB 3? Or did the people at neowin create it?

The brief time I was using Atas on the forum, it just didn't feel like neowin anymore. Front page still felt like neowin just not the forums. Not sure how to explain it.

warwagon said,
So is Atlas the default theme that comes with IB 3? Or did the people at neowin create it?

The brief time I was using Atas on the forum, it just didn't feel like neowin anymore. Front page still felt like neowin just not the forums. Not sure how to explain it.


+1 It just felt like something entirely different! Too web 2.0ish for my taste

warwagon said,
So is Atlas the default theme that comes with IB 3? Or did the people at neowin create it?

The brief time I was using Atas on the forum, it just didn't feel like neowin anymore. Front page still felt like neowin just not the forums. Not sure how to explain it.


Atlas was done by the Neowin staff, but any IPB theme is basically a modified default. The "Web 2.0" feel was actually much better in terms of markup and load time, but something else in IPB3 obviously failed.

+1 ATLAS didn't felt like Neowin, it was allot less intuitive and user-friendly. Would like to see an option to use finity after the upgrade (if that is possible and the style is compatible).

Lechio said,
+1 ATLAS didn't felt like Neowin, it was allot less intuitive and user-friendly. Would like to see an option to use finity after the upgrade (if that is possible and the style is compatible).

Hard to make any real comments on ATLAS since we didn't get a real chance to see it fully running, we just got a gimped version of it essentially, we should all wait till it's fully implemented and working correctly. That being said, what I did manage to see looked very good and about as fast as the old version, so it should be real nice without the extra load

Lechio said,
+1 ATLAS didn't felt like Neowin, it was allot less intuitive and user-friendly. Would like to see an option to use finity after the upgrade (if that is possible and the style is compatible).

+2

IMO: finity + ipb3 = total win

i reaaally like finity! trust me! it's like "feeling at home" in a theme... wicked huh?

Glassed Silver:win

PS: still want my BBCode back in comments! RAAARRRR!

Edited by Glassed Silver, Jan 19 2010, 6:53pm :

I think I speak for the whole team when I say how devastated we are to have had to make this decision. A lot of work went into preparing the forums for launch, including an entire skin, and to see nothing come from that is very sad indeed. At the end of the day though, these things happen, and they are beyond our control. I'd like to thank everyone for the support they have shown us since Friday, in being mature, respectful and understanding of the issues we faced, it definitely made it much easier staying up into the early hours of the morning, knowing that the community is behind us.

I know personally, that behind the scenes went countless hours of work, debugging and much more personal effort to make not only the forum skin, but include hacks and make sure the forum was ready for launch.

Thanks for the effort guys, hopefully all your hard work won't go to waste.

We should be thanking you!
It's hard when you prepare something, then whatever you do, it just seems to be rubbish and not work. People below says it didn't feel like Neowin, it did, just a fresh new look!

Good luck to you guys and I am sure you can count on many hundreds (if not thousands) of people willing to help here with what they can :)

DaveLegg said,
I think I speak for the whole team when I say how devastated we are to have had to make this decision. A lot of work went into preparing the forums for launch, including an entire skin, and to see nothing come from that is very sad indeed. At the end of the day though, these things happen, and they are beyond our control. I'd like to thank everyone for the support they have shown us since Friday, in being mature, respectful and understanding of the issues we faced, it definitely made it much easier staying up into the early hours of the morning, knowing that the community is behind us.

Do you think there will be a second attempt to get it all working?

Great to know the forums are back. Kudos to all of you guys who worked long and hard to bring it back even if it is on the old format. I know all at Neowin are behind you 100% and I also know you with enough time will be able to sort all out and implement the remaining part of the upgrade in the future. Keep up the good work and thanks again.

goes to show, no matter how hard you planned something (trust me... they really really planned this) somethings just wont go to plan :p

Goodluck in your quest - I realise this must be soo hearbreaking and feel like a nightmare. Get some rest and start the new day with a fresh attitude to this problem You guys rock!