New images show "Charm Bar" in Windows 8 build 8158

Chinese website PCBeta has posted up images of another leaked build of Windows 8, build 8158. This time showing off an updated "Longhornesq" charm bar on the right side of the screen, and unlike the Windows Developer Preview, it's brought out by bringing the mouse to bottom-right of the screen.

Charm bar enabled, with easy access options.

Charm bar disabled and Windows Internet Explorer 10 build 8158 shown.

The above screenshot is interesting for one thing alone; finally silent updates of Internet Explorer will be possible with a "Install new versions automatically" option. We can only guess if browser updates will still require a full restart of Windows though!

The Windows App store tile making an appearance.

The fact that the Control Panel icon has been placed on the desktop by the leakers of these screenshots, could mean that accessing it from the Start button is still a tedious exercise for desktop users, perhaps indicating that it still links to the Metro styled "apps" screen as shown in another screenshot included in the gallery (below).

Over on the My Digital Life forums, notorious leaker canouna also showed off a desktop screenshot of a later build, stamped 816x (last is number hidden) which shows the charm bar can also be transparent on the desktop.

It would be interesting to know a little more about the Charm bar and it's reasoning for even being there, possibly as a compliment to the Metro styled Start Screen? In time we'll all have a chance to try it out for ourselves when the beta lands, around January or February 2012.

And in case you were wondering if you could get this to work on the Windows Developer Preview, yes it's possible! Thanks to @Vasudevg for the tip!

Images credit: PCBeta & MDL. Thanks to FaiKee for the tip.

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I'm honestly not feeling Metro on the desktop at all. The Windows 8 DP makes my high-res 27-inch screen look small. Having everything that big makes no sense whatsoever on a desktop computer operated by keyboard and mouse. All it does is waste screen estate.

I really hope something happens with the design of Windows 8 before the beta, for my 23" widescreen. What I've seen so far in relation to visuals is not anything I want to upgrade into.

SPARTdAN said,
I really hope something happens with the design of Windows 8 before the beta, for my 23" widescreen. What I've seen so far in relation to visuals is not anything I want to upgrade into.

I have a 23" widescreen, and I'm curious - is it the lack of a Start menu that's the hold up, the design of Metro, or something else altogether?

We can only guess if browser updates will still require a full restart of Windows though!

They don't now, so why would you assume they will in the future, or do you not know that restarts are not always necessary.

IE8 to IE9 even can be installed without a full restart, but for general consumers, and the dependence of the IE engine, Microsoft does a restart to reduce any issues.

Any IT administrator that knows what they are doing, can issue IE upgrades and updates without restarts, with at the most a user 'logoff'.

Unlike NT 4.0 with IE4 through XP, the IE engine is not used in the shell of the OS, which is why it was not a simple 'update' in that generation. (Microsoft's arguments of the IE engine being a 'core' component of Windows in litigation during this timeframe was accurate.)

That's not longhorn ish, thast neptune (later builds before it became longhorn) ish.... for the people that know of that code name...

hotdog963al said,
Whoop, yet another feature to disable!

Yes, cause making things easier is not the true geek way, and they might have time to leave their parents basement.

Its funny how Microsoft fans denying that they copied this from Ubuntu!

And Windows 8 will be more likely OS for tablets. Most of people will stick with Windows 7 and Windows 8 will be fail OS like Vista.

WinA said,
Its funny how Microsoft fans denying that they copied this from Ubuntu!

And Windows 8 will be more likely OS for tablets. Most of people will stick with Windows 7 and Windows 8 will be fail OS like Vista.


Are you Joey S?

WinA said,
Its funny how Microsoft fans denying that they copied this from Ubuntu!

And Windows 8 will be more likely OS for tablets. Most of people will stick with Windows 7 and Windows 8 will be fail OS like Vista.

Says you , and obviously you know everything . Shall I just phone Microsoft now and tell them to cancel because someone on a website told me this as fact ?

WinA said,
Its funny how Microsoft fans denying that they copied this from Ubuntu!

And Windows 8 will be more likely OS for tablets. Most of people will stick with Windows 7 and Windows 8 will be fail OS like Vista.

Wow, explain how they copied a feature from a distribution that didn't exist when Microsoft first used this concept back in the mid 90s.

Time Machine?


This is like people thinking Metro started with Media Center, ZuneHD, or WP7...

Sadly these videos don't show the full UI well, but if you look, notice the Metro concepts in use, from the Flat UI and Typography, to the UI metaphors.

Encarta 97
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJAbtjCYtAQ

Streets 98
http://www.youtube.com/watch?N...endscreen&v=hhIDh1SzAg0

However, like the Ubuntu myth, Microsoft has apparently done a lot things people weren't around or didn't notice...

Windows Phone 7, PC edition. Whatever. Look, when your slick WP7 devices haven't taken the world by storm, maybe it's not the best face to put on your flagship PC OS huh?

Soulsiphon said,
Windows Phone 7, PC edition. Whatever. Look, when your slick WP7 devices haven't taken the world by storm, maybe it's not the best face to put on your flagship PC OS huh?

This is very true, it would be very different if Win Phone 7 was a big hit but it is not. It's like they are just shoving it at us and hoping for the best. They must be **** scared about what they are doing and the potential of another Vista.

Also, how will older users cope with this new start screen and charms and the like? I cant see my mother getting the hang of Windows 8 any time before she dies. What if she wants a Windows 8 ARM Tablet but I tell her she cant run her favorite Windows 7 games on it? So she gets a Windows 8 x86 tablet and to run her favorite games she must activate the desktop then navigate the old windows interface with her fingers somehow?

derekaw said,

This is very true, it would be very different if Win Phone 7 was a big hit but it is not. It's like they are just shoving it at us and hoping for the best. They must be **** scared about what they are doing and the potential of another Vista.

Also, how will older users cope with this new start screen and charms and the like? I cant see my mother getting the hang of Windows 8 any time before she dies. What if she wants a Windows 8 ARM Tablet but I tell her she cant run her favorite Windows 7 games on it? So she gets a Windows 8 x86 tablet and to run her favorite games she must activate the desktop then navigate the old windows interface with her fingers somehow?

Activating the desktop is not that hard; it is, in fact, my home base (not the StartScreen). In fact, the only time I even SEE the StartScreen is to launch an Immersive/Metro application, or one that I don't know the executable for (and it isn't a desktop shortcut). Panic-y much?

derekaw said,

This is very true, it would be very different if Win Phone 7 was a big hit but it is not. It's like they are just shoving it at us and hoping for the best. They must be **** scared about what they are doing and the potential of another Vista.

Also, how will older users cope with this new start screen and charms and the like? I cant see my mother getting the hang of Windows 8 any time before she dies. What if she wants a Windows 8 ARM Tablet but I tell her she cant run her favorite Windows 7 games on it? So she gets a Windows 8 x86 tablet and to run her favorite games she must activate the desktop then navigate the old windows interface with her fingers somehow?

Ignorance +1

Until you have actually used even a Windows 7 touch based tablet, you might not want to make yourself seem like an idiot.

As for flipping to the desktop in Win8, even with a mouse, just click and slide (like touch and slide) from the left side of the screen, doesn't get any easier, REALLY.

Soulsiphon said,
Windows Phone 7, PC edition. Whatever. Look, when your slick WP7 devices haven't taken the world by storm, maybe it's not the best face to put on your flagship PC OS huh?

Ya cause the design awards and proof of concept in usability gains should be thrown away if WP7 doesn't instantly take over the world.

Do you really think Microsoft is stupid? Do you think you know better, seriously?

I like to think of myself as smart, able to smack 182 on an IQ test, but when it comes to comparing my level of understanding to rooms of brilliant people at Microsoft R&D, I don't assume to have a better understanding.

Have you ever met or talked to the great minds at Microsoft, it is humbling, especially in a collective of understanding context.

@Kyle A.
Actually its more of a Longhorn 5048 Build, I guess to go to 8 they have to go back where it started Long Horn SE returns

Kyle A said,
Looks stupid... Windows 7 will be the new XP. 8 the new Vista.


Strange how new shiny technology still scares the inner caveman...

Vista may have not been a 'grand' success, but it still was more used than all the copies of OS X ever sold. It also implemented all the core changes that made Windows 7 possible, which were dismissed then, but today are applauded because Windows 7's audio has less distortion than OS X and XP, network capabilities are far more advanced than XP and other OSes, and the video changes allow Windows to manage and schedule GPU threads, which no other OS to date does, except the XBox 360 variation of NT.

IE updates will probably use the Windows Restart Manager and tell you "please close all of your open apps since they all use either IE's engine or some networking DLL, or reboot the system".

Once it means I don't have to see 2 versions behind IE installed on family's computers it's all good. What Microsoft needs to do is the same thing for service packs, group policy can disable it in a corporate environment. Seeing a vanilla or SP1 only install of Vista in 2011 is just depressing.

Aethec said,
IE updates will probably use the Windows Restart Manager and tell you "please close all of your open apps since they all use either IE's engine or some networking DLL, or reboot the system".

Unless it's like the Chrome updates which won't require a reboot but download silently and install the next time you open the browser.

Seriously who designed the win start orb? The current one in Windows 7 looks amazing with gradients and shadow and the glowing effect when you hover over it.

sopharine said,
Seriously who designed the win start orb? The current one in Windows 7 looks amazing with gradients and shadow and the glowing effect when you hover over it.

The orb looked nice in Vista. However, Doesn't fit the current superbar IMO.

Looks like the Ubuntu Unity bar to me. I guess Microsoft takes its influences from Canonical these days

Edited by Joey S, Dec 3 2011, 4:48pm :

Joey S said,
Looks like the Ubuntu Unity bar to me. I guess Microsoft takes its influences from Canonical these days

Are you being serious? Do you even use Ubuntu at all? The only thing this has in common with the unity bar is that they're both displayed vertically on the side of the screen. The unity bar is a app pinner/launcher, take the Win7 superbar unlock it and move it to the left of the screen and, osnap, it's just like the unity bar!!

So who's copying who exactly?

Joey S said,
Looks like the Ubuntu Unity bar to me. I guess Microsoft takes its influences from Canonical these days

Joey S isn't actually a real person, so nobody should really take anything he/she says seriously. It's sort of a reactionary existence he/she suffers, making bizarre accusations toward Microsoft and never actually backing anything up. Ever. It's actually kind of weird. It's like a nomadic twitter account, floating around the internet posting meaningless fluff.

I mean, look at this thread. He/she's made half a dozen posts saying the exact same thing as often as possible--that this rips on Unity somehow. Nevermind the glaring fact that since day one--since CONCEPT images--the Unity bar has been universally accused of ripping off both the OS X dock and the Windows 7 superbar, both of which can be docked to the side of your display (in fact, the Unity bar offers NOTHING original over a side-docked OS X/Windows 7 bar). Will Joey ever address this? Nope! That's not his/her shtick. Much more troll-like in that regard, except unlike a troll, he/she seems to sincerely believe everything he/she says.

To me, the charm bar is blatantly a desktop Windows equivalent to the toolbar you'd see at the bottom of the screen on a smartphone/tablet. It even has the centered Start button and a settings button. Perhaps it's 'always' there to be swiped on screen. Heck if I know. I haven't used the build. Nobody here has. Least of all Joey.

But still, Joey will continue to believe that this somehow rips off Unity, which everybody on the internet agree rips off everyone else (including Windows). Childish? Naive? Ignorant? Daft? Obtuse? These are words that can be used to describe many people. If anybody decides to use them to describe Joey, well, that's their prerogative, and has nothing to do with me.

Joshie said,

Joey S isn't actually a real person, so nobody should really take anything he/she says seriously. It's sort of a reactionary existence he/she suffers, making bizarre accusations toward Microsoft and never actually backing anything up. Ever. It's actually kind of weird. It's like a nomadic twitter account, floating around the internet posting meaningless fluff.

I mean, look at this thread. He/she's made half a dozen posts saying the exact same thing as often as possible--that this rips on Unity somehow. Nevermind the glaring fact that since day one--since CONCEPT images--the Unity bar has been universally accused of ripping off both the OS X dock and the Windows 7 superbar, both of which can be docked to the side of your display (in fact, the Unity bar offers NOTHING original over a side-docked OS X/Windows 7 bar). Will Joey ever address this? Nope! That's not his/her shtick. Much more troll-like in that regard, except unlike a troll, he/she seems to sincerely believe everything he/she says.

To me, the charm bar is blatantly a desktop Windows equivalent to the toolbar you'd see at the bottom of the screen on a smartphone/tablet. It even has the centered Start button and a settings button. Perhaps it's 'always' there to be swiped on screen. Heck if I know. I haven't used the build. Nobody here has. Least of all Joey.

But still, Joey will continue to believe that this somehow rips off Unity, which everybody on the internet agree rips off everyone else (including Windows). Childish? Naive? Ignorant? Daft? Obtuse? These are words that can be used to describe many people. If anybody decides to use them to describe Joey, well, that's their prerogative, and has nothing to do with me.

It also trolls every single WP7 news story as well

smooth3006 said,
this whole thing is going to bomb BIG time. from metro to the fugly start button. my god someone please fire ballmer.

How did you get your hands on the beta so soon? Please tell us more!

Dot Matrix said,

How did you get your hands on the beta so soon? Please tell us more!

the UI isn't going to change much in the beta nor the final. this is the route they are going and i hate it.

smooth3006 said,
this whole thing is going to bomb BIG time. from metro to the fugly start button. my god someone please fire ballmer.

Not the final release and more to the point where the hell did you get the beta, I assume you have a time machine then.

Oh, I get it, you're just trolling!!!

smooth3006 said,
this whole thing is going to bomb BIG time. from metro to the fugly start button. my god someone please fire ballmer.

Agree.

Neobond said,
Now it shows on non-touch devices by moving the mouse to the bottom-right of the screen.

thats what it did before though. if i hovered mouse over it would show that bar.

Why does time give you a false memory of how good an OS was?

I installed WDP ages ago, hated it, now seeing pictures of it is making me want to reinstall it.

Detection said,
Why does time give you a false memory of how good an OS was?

I installed WDP ages ago, hated it, now seeing pictures of it is making me want to reinstall it.

Install it on Virtualbox, thats what i do, and no formatting and installing again frustration.

Detection said,
Why does time give you a false memory of how good an OS was?

I installed WDP ages ago, hated it, now seeing pictures of it is making me want to reinstall it.

Same.

Detection said,
Why does time give you a false memory of how good an OS was?

I installed WDP ages ago, hated it, now seeing pictures of it is making me want to reinstall it.

I still have the WDP on bare metal, don't have enough sockets to plug it in at my term time address, that's why it's going home at Christmas.

(The control panel icon wasn't linked there, Canouna just placed it there).

Also, this looks really annoying. Canouna mentioned over on MDL, that the charm menu (Bottom left using mouse) has been removed, so now to get them on the desktop version. You have to mouse to the far right, and they appear transparent as shown above. It just means more mouse movement. Gah.

I only mentioned about the control panel icon, because even the screenshots from the different source (pcbeta) has it linked on the desktop as well. I reworded it to make it clear that they did it themselves.

Neobond said,
I only mentioned about the control panel icon, because even the screenshots from the different source (pcbeta) has it linked on the desktop as well.

Ahh okay, though I'm pretty sure they are just placing it there as other wise it's a pain to get through. You have to go Start Screen > Immersive CP > Desktop CP as you can't pin the Desktop version start to the start screen. Seeing as the Immersive CP has limited options, it's a pain. When I use the DP, I just pin it to the superbar.

DKAngel said,
ok 1 picture has a 8158 build string and one from 816x? which is real or what?

Both, the 8158 was from PCBeta and 816x is from Canouna.

Edited by Steven P., Dec 3 2011, 3:59pm :

Looks like they listened to the feedback and merged the mouse charms (which opened from Start) and touch charms (which already opened from the right). Now just let us choose between Metro on the tablet and Start Menu on the desktop. Hope the Windows logo on the Charms bar and Start will also get a facelift when it reaches the polishing stages. Solid colors for the Windows logo really looks like Windows 3.x.

xpclient said,
Looks like they listened to the feedback and merged the mouse charms (which opened from Start) and touch charms (which already opened from the right). Now just let us choose between Metro on the tablet and Start Menu on the desktop. Hope the Windows logo on the Charms bar and Start will also get a facelift when it reaches the polishing stages. Solid colors for the Windows logo really looks like Windows 3.x.

Maybe minor revisions, I think it's the new logo. You think, it changes (Even minorly) between each Windows release. The solid colours matches/represents their metro style.

Totalaero said,
I personally would like it if they made Windows 7.1 it has all Windows 8 features but without Metro

Agreed. Unfortunately though, Microsoft has decided to completely betray normal desktop users in favour of the booming tablet market.

Joey S said,

Agreed. Unfortunately though, Microsoft has decided to completely betray normal desktop users in favour of the booming tablet market.

How so? Nothing has changed. Just the Start Menu has become a Start Screen.

Joey S said,

Agreed. Unfortunately though, Microsoft has decided to completely betray normal desktop users in favour of the booming tablet market.

No, no they haven't. You haven't seen a public beta/preview for desktop Windows.

excalpius said,

No, no they haven't. You haven't seen a public beta/preview for desktop Windows.

Precisely. Now if you saw a public beta (not the Developer Preview) with no Start menu option, you may have a point. Also, if Microsoft were so intent on screwing desktop users, desktop applications wouldn't work. So far, though, I haven't found a desktop application (or game) that works in Windows 7 x64 SP1 that doesn't work in the Developer Preview. That's right - so far, everything works as it should. (In fact, here's a surprise - to a large extent, most applications and games work *better* in the Developer Preview than they do in 7 SP1. And I don't have a single - let alone simple - explanation as to why that is.)

That tells me your view is subjective - and it's all about the Start menu.

Subjective is fine, and I've said before that Immersive/Metro isn't for everyone. But don't let your subjectivity get you into making blanket assumptions that are easily disprovable.

PGHammer said,
Precisely. Now if you saw a public beta (not the Developer Preview) with no Start menu option, you may have a point. Also, if Microsoft were so intent on screwing desktop users, desktop applications wouldn't work. So far, though, I haven't found a desktop application (or game) that works in Windows 7 x64 SP1 that doesn't work in the Developer Preview. That's right - so far, everything works as it should. (In fact, here's a surprise - to a large extent, most applications and games work *better* in the Developer Preview than they do in 7 SP1. And I don't have a single - let alone simple - explanation as to why that is.)

That tells me your view is subjective - and it's all about the Start menu.

Subjective is fine, and I've said before that Immersive/Metro isn't for everyone. But don't let your subjectivity get you into making blanket assumptions that are easily disprovable.

I wouldn't call it subject I'd call it hugely distorted - the whole computing experience should be decided based on a single feature within an operating system? really? to discard all the great work Microsoft has done in the operating system in favour of focusing solely on the 'Start Menu'? to me it sounds like those who are criticising Windows 8 are failing to get a grasp at the bigger picture.

No one's pointed out the "install new versions automatically" option in IE10? That wasn't there in the dev preview. Are they going for a Chrome-like updating mechanism?

funkydude said,
No one's pointed out the "install new versions automatically" option in IE10? That wasn't there in the dev preview. Are they going for a Chrome-like updating mechanism?

I like that idea, keeps everyone on the same version.

FMH said,
Why have two Start buttons, with Charm-bar enabled?

Good question, in the developer preview everything you see in that charmbar showed in a menu when you hovered over the startbutton...

Leonick said,

Good question, in the developer preview everything you see in that charmbar showed in a menu when you hovered over the startbutton...

That's still the case, the charmbar isn't going to show all the time, it hides, the change is that now it can be transparent and instead of hoving over the startbutton/lower left of the screen it will now show when you hover in the lower right. If anything they matched the functionality between touch and mouse/KB so that the charm bar comes up in the same general way between the start screen and the desktop.

FMH said,
Why have two Start buttons, with Charm-bar enabled?

Maybe they'll get rid of the taskbar and make the desktop a metro haven, bwahaha.. Er, if they did that, where would running apps be stored? Would alt tab become a 100% necessary thing?

yowan said,
Problem Microsoft? Trying to mimic Ubuntu Unity

I don't think you've seen how fugly Unity actually is to think this looks like it.

yowan said,
Problem Microsoft? Trying to mimic Ubuntu Unity

I guess you never used the new ubuntu because everything new is almost an exact copy from osx or windows7 all packaged with a system slower than original Vista.

yowan said,
Problem Microsoft? Trying to mimic Ubuntu Unity

Problem Ubuntu? Trying to mimic Windows and Mac OS? /feeding_teh_troll
It's a known fact that everybody copies everybody else...

yowan said,
Problem Microsoft? Trying to mimic Ubuntu Unity

I thought the very same thing. It looks like Microsoft lifted it directly from Ubuntu 11.10

MerChan said,

I guess you never used the new ubuntu because everything new is almost an exact copy from osx or windows7 all packaged with a system slower than original Vista.

Ubuntu looks nothing like Windows 7. It has much more in common with OSX. Shared menu, top bar, overlay scrollbars. The last of which, Ubuntu actually had before OSX.

It's true, they all borrow features from each other, but Microsoft needs to man-up and admit when they lift ideas from GNU/Linux and OSX.

wolftail said,

It's a known fact that everybody copies everybody else...

Yeah, but Microsoft and her ardent fanboys refuse to admit it when they do. That's the difference.

Joey S said,
Yeah, but Microsoft and her ardent fanboys refuse to admit it when they do. That's the difference.

Or Linux fanboys apparently too.... face it, 99% of the thing was lifted from elsewhere, from copying GUI elements from other operating systems right down to ripping off Unix for the guts.

yowan said,
Problem Microsoft? Trying to mimic Ubuntu Unity

That's nothing like Unity or the Unity bar which itself is a copy of the Windows 7 taskbar but placed to the left instead of the bottom of the screen.

It's like some of you haven't even used Ubuntu and only looked at screenshots.

For some reason I feel like the Metro UI is a bit.. restrictive? I mean I know you have everything you need really on one screen but it still feels strange. Like I need to jump back a step further or something.

Yeah I agree, it works great on small devices because of the size of the screen, but it really isn't needed on large screens? I mean why is text being cut off on my 23" screen?

Neobond said,
Yeah I agree, it works great on small devices because of the size of the screen, but it really isn't needed on large screens? I mean why is text being cut off on my 23" screen?

I think this is the crunch. MS are going to have to work hard to make Metro a visual delight on big screens - ideal for small devices, but when you have a 23" screen and you're presented with flat, bland graphics in the second decade of the 21st Century, you're going to be like "wtf..." esp. after Aero

wotsit said,

I think this is the crunch. MS are going to have to work hard to make Metro a visual delight on big screens - ideal for small devices, but when you have a 23" screen and you're presented with flat, bland graphics in the second decade of the 21st Century, you're going to be like "wtf..." esp. after Aero


Aero is a step in the right direction to catch up on Mac OS's Aqua interface which debuted in 2001 and is still looking awesome. Unfortunately instead of improve it in Windows 8, Microsoft introduce Metro.

wotsit said,

I think this is the crunch. MS are going to have to work hard to make Metro a visual delight on big screens - ideal for small devices, but when you have a 23" screen and you're presented with flat, bland graphics in the second decade of the 21st Century, you're going to be like "wtf..." esp. after Aero

You do know that most of those "flat, bland graphics" are Live Tiles just like Windows Phone has, don't you?

sopharine said,

Aero is a step in the right direction to catch up on Mac OS's Aqua interface which debuted in 2001 and is still looking awesome. Unfortunately instead of improve it in Windows 8, Microsoft introduce Metro.

Actually I would have said a Direct copy of KDE 2.0 from 2000 so no copy from APPLE.
Look at the way it does links other than having an arrow.
http://www.kde.org/screenshots/images/large/kde2final_1.jpg
That and the ability to hide a menu.

sopharine said,

Mac OS's Aqua interface which debuted in 2001 and is still looking awesome.

LOL. You mean with the gumdrop blue bars which they finally dumped a few years back? Nice try. 8P

sopharine said,
Aero is a step in the right direction to catch up on Mac OS's Aqua interface which debuted in 2001 and is still looking awesome. Unfortunately instead of improve it in Windows 8, Microsoft introduce Metro.

I am running Mac OS X right now and it looks nothing like Mac OS X looked 5 or even 9 years ago. It has gone from a candy coated pin stripe 'in your face' design to a more subtle use of greys and colour sparingly where it makes sense in Mac OS X Lion.

I've had a look at Windows 8 and quite frankly I don't see anything that is horrifying - their GUI is more subtle, less 'transparency for the sake of transparency', I love the flatter more straight design of the close/minimise buttons, the cleaner controller buttons such as ok/cancel and so on.

IMHO Aero to Windows Vista was Aqua to Mac OS X when it first came out but here we are 5 years later and Windows 8 is looking really nice - to the point that it is even tempting a Mac fan like me to consider Windows again in the future, I just hope that the OEM's don't sabotage it by sticking with BIOS when they should be using UEFI across the board (desktop, laptop and tablet).

excalpius said,

LOL. You mean with the gumdrop blue bars which they finally dumped a few years back? Nice try. 8P


I did not say Mac OS in its current form look absolutely like 10 years ago but the underlying design principles remain the same, e.g transparency, rounded buttons, use of gradient, polychrome icons, fancy effects and animations, which are what Aero was trying to accomplish. Everything that Metro represent and embody in Windows Phone and Windows 8 is are diametrically opposite to Aero.

Neobond said,
Yeah I agree, it works great on small devices because of the size of the screen, but it really isn't needed on large screens? I mean why is text being cut off on my 23" screen?

Try it on a triple screen setup with a 24inch centre and a 19inch each side. It's horrible. If the Metro interface stays anything like the developer preview I'll only be using Windows 8 if I can keep the 'old' desktop as the default and pretty much hide Metro away.

Oh, and anything that requires you to hit the corner of the screen with the mouse (as this article suggests you need to do to get the 'charm bar') is a royal PITA on a multi screen setup.

PsYcHoKiLLa said,
Hmmm, That doesn't look like Ubuntu's bar at all lol

And whole Linux concept does not look anything like Windows at all, lol

FoxieFoxie said,

And whole Linux concept does not look anything like Windows at all, lol


I think Ubuntu is trying to Mac instead, hopefully they get shut down by Apple.

Aerah.Eleganta said,

I think Ubuntu is trying to Mac instead, hopefully they get shut down by Apple.

Because less choice is what everyone wants!

PsYcHoKiLLa said,
Hmmm, That doesn't look like Ubuntu's bar at all lol

i was going to say your ubuntu bar stolen from windows 7 bar so who did copy who
but FoxieFoxie, said more than enough

Aerah.Eleganta said,
No. More like everyone wants bad ideas to die out.

Agreed - I'd sooner have 3 good products than 10 crappy products - the illusion of choice doesn't actually mean there is choice.

Aerah.Eleganta said,

I think Ubuntu is trying to Mac instead, hopefully they get shut down by Apple.
I hope you aren't being serious here.

hotdog963al said,
I hope you aren't being serious here.

No I am completely serious.

The interface is a JOKE, and when I say a joke I do not mean a classy joke or a funny joke but a dumb joke. It is severely visually underdeveloped, severely restrictive, and there is only a few specific and possibly hidden ways to access or customize it.

Want an example of a well developed, highly customizable interface which includes multiple way to do the same thing and multiple ways to customize the same thing compared to UNITY? Windows GUI.

I am not even joking. It is a bad joke and should be buried.

Aerah.Eleganta said,

No I am completely serious.

Haha, oh wow. So do you seriously oppose having free, open-source alternatives to commercial operating systems, or is it just Ubuntu. Sorry pal, I can't take you seriously.

hotdog963al said,

Haha, oh wow. So do you seriously oppose having free, open-source alternatives to commercial operating systems, or is it just Ubuntu. Sorry pal, I can't take you seriously.

As long as free is significantly worse, then yes.
Ubuntu unity is one of the worst GUI examples out there.

Aerah.Eleganta said,

As long as free is significantly worse, then yes.
Ubuntu unity is one of the worst GUI examples out there.

If you can make that kind of statement, then surely you should have the brain power to install something else like Gnome or KDE, or any of the other plethora of other options available to a Linux/Unix user. Better yet, learn to use terminal, that's where the power is at. The graphical interface is to make it "apple-user" friendly. The power users of Linux/Unix system barely do anything in the graphical environment.

I hate the limited capabilities of OSX out of the box. Does that mean they should be killed off or shut down because I don't like them? Of course not! Innovation will die without options.

Everyone should have a choice, and if you don't like it, then don't use it. Certainly it should not be "shut down" because you disagree, who are you? God?

CrimsonBetrayal said,

If you can make that kind of statement, then surely you should have the brain power to install something else like Gnome or KDE, or any of the other plethora of other options available to a Linux/Unix user. Better yet, learn to use terminal, that's where the power is at. The graphical interface is to make it "apple-user" friendly. The power users of Linux/Unix system barely do anything in the graphical environment.

I hate the limited capabilities of OSX out of the box. Does that mean they should be killed off or shut down because I don't like them? Of course not! Innovation will die without options.

Everyone should have a choice, and if you don't like it, then don't use it. Certainly it should not be "shut down" because you disagree, who are you? God?


... and Ubuntu development team has the brain power to fix their OS's GUI or at least stop implying that Ubuntu is anything near user friendly out of the box.

You are implying that in the Linux community bad ideas and bad development is encouraged instead of discouraged to promote progress and common sense.

Additionally you are talking to me like someone who wants to bother spending time tweaking an OS's flaws

Aerah.Eleganta said,

... and Ubuntu development team has the brain power to fix their OS's GUI or at least stop implying that Ubuntu is anything near user friendly out of the box.

You are implying that in the Linux community bad ideas and bad development is encouraged instead of discouraged to promote progress and common sense.

Additionally you are talking to me like someone who wants to bother spending time tweaking an OS's flaws

Are you an apple fan? Because you seemed to have missed my point...