No Nokia Android phone, Windows Phone still exclusive

Rumours and speculation are all fun and exciting, to a point. While new gadgets get the rumour mill working, causing excitement among tech fans, sometimes rumour and speculation are just that. Talk within tech insiders and enthusiasts ends up just being that, pipedreams and Chinese whispers that build up without anything to be compared to.

So, in a strange way, Nokia now has to clarify its partnership with Microsoft in the mobile space. Why? A rumour that spread amongst the technical community that Nokia was moving into the Android space. And all from a job opening that showed Nokia were looking for a Principal Software Engineer for work in “Embedded Linux Middleware.”

As you can see from the Tweets, Nokia’s Media relations head, Doug Dawson, has stated that the job opening is for HERE Maps support on other platforms, including iOS and Android.

See, nothing to read into; a very innocent reason for a very innocent job opening.

Source: @DougatNokia via: Nokia Power User

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Shadrack said,
Android has enough OEMs and Nokia needs to differentiate themselves.

Exactly. Some people only view the success or failure of Nokia from a US based market. Let's remember that that market is much bigger outside of the US. Guess which two markets Nokia has the chance to penetrate and grow? India and China. Nokia is making a lot of strong inroads in India and China is starting to see good sales figures as well. Europe is slowly but surely adopting Nokia and WP8 phones. Italy has a good number of Lumia users from sales data that were released.

Nokia has several areas of profitability in their portfolio. As long as they can continue to innovate and improve their mapping software, defend their patents and make MS happy they will weather the storm.

What I would love to see if a 9mm Nokia Lumia 920/9xx in Slate Matte Gray!! Also make the width a little smaller perhaps keep it under 2.60 inches

So Nokia is really committed to Windows Phone... not for the better either, if it doesn't pay off the company is doomed. They don't have a backup plan.

Dvb2000 - you mean you don't feel that Android hasn't made you one of their millions of beta testers after all off these years? Give it a rest and yes I own android handsets.


Evilastroboy - Nokia has said they will allow for their Nokia drive to be implemented and licensed to other OEMs but its up to them to use it. I feel that other OEMs should use it. Just like Google Maps is used by all OEMs for Android handsets. I know that Nokia Drive is not part of the WP8 OS but it would help all OEMs sell better having a solid navigation app. It's one of the strongest feature for Android right now.

Dvb2000 - you mean you don't feel that Android hasn't made you one of their millions of beta testers after all off these years? Give it a rest and yes I own android handsets.


Evilastroboy - Nokia has said they will allow for their Nokia drive to be implemented and licensed to other OEMs but its up to them to use it. I feel that other OEMs should use it. Just like Google Maps is used by all OEMs for Android handsets. I know that Nokia Drive is not part of the WP8 OS but it would help all OEMs sell better having a solid navigation app. It's one of the strongest feature for Android right now.

Would probably be the best move they ever made. Sure Windows phone finally seems to be starting to pay off for them with the Lumia 920, but I suspect the initial euphoria for the device will wear off when early adopters find their favourite android apps aren't available, or the "hated" modern interface becomes too much for them to handle, and they go back to their easy to use, and well supported, android phones. Having the "android" option with the 920 hardware would likely be a killer blow to Samsung and its current dominance in the android market.

dvb2000 said,
Would probably be the best move they ever made. Sure Windows phone finally seems to be starting to pay off for them with the Lumia 920, but I suspect the initial euphoria for the device will wear off when early adopters find their favourite android apps aren't available, or the "hated" modern interface becomes too much for them to handle, and they go back to their easy to use, and well supported, android phones. Having the "android" option with the 920 hardware would likely be a killer blow to Samsung and its current dominance in the android market.

I'm sorry, can you find a Windows Phone with a low user satisfaction rating?

Or is your life really so sad that you're actually nothing but a troll at all hours on a tech blog?

You miss a very important thing: with this exclusivity now they are "the" choice for most people when it comes to WP handsets. If they start to support Android they will be just one of the many. 2 mediocre choices instead of one very good, not necessarily worth it.

dvb2000 said,
Would probably be the best move they ever made. Sure Windows phone finally seems to be starting to pay off for them with the Lumia 920, but I suspect the initial euphoria for the device will wear off when early adopters find their favourite android apps aren't available, or the "hated" modern interface becomes too much for them to handle, and they go back to their easy to use, and well supported, android phones. Having the "android" option with the 920 hardware would likely be a killer blow to Samsung and its current dominance in the android market.

Hatred is subjective and a bunch of boxes on screen isn't that hard to get used to. The important android apps already have clones or official implementations on WP.

georgevella said,

Hatred is subjective and a bunch of boxes on screen isn't that hard to get used to. The important android apps already have clones or official implementations on WP.

I could have bought one of these the other day, but after doing some research, I am well aware that there are number of android apps that I use, which are simply not available on Windows Phone. "Important apps" is likewise subjective.

Maybe I'll try one down the track, but I'm in no hurry to line up and pay a premium to be a beta tester/early adopter for Nokia or Microsoft.

If I could switch between WMP8 & Android when/if I liked, then no doubt I WOULD have forked out the early adopter premium the other day and bought one.

Joshie said,

I'm sorry, can you find a Windows Phone with a low user satisfaction rating?

Or is your life really so sad that you're actually nothing but a troll at all hours on a tech blog?


Exactly. "Someone's" clueless...

nokia is walking on thin ice here. if their exclusive strategy does not pay off they run into a liquidity problem even more.

cashflow wise it might have been smarter to run the lumia strategy while having a few capable android phones as well. in their position cashflow is key for survival.

typu said,
nokia is walking on thin ice here. if their exclusive strategy does not pay off they run into a liquidity problem even more.

cashflow wise it might have been smarter to run the lumia strategy while having a few capable android phones as well. in their position cashflow is key for survival.

except in that case they wouldn't have received so much financial support from microsoft

well not sure about that. nokia has some services that microsoft truely needs. they surely cannot bundle with google, so nokia is the logical (and only?) alternative to some services (.e.g. navigation, maps). sooo im inclined to say that nokia would have been able to get a very similar contract even if they would go into the android market as well.

but i guess having an ex-MS as CEO does have some consequences.

XerXis said,

except in that case they wouldn't have received so much financial support from microsoft

typu said,
sooo im inclined to say that nokia would have been able to get a very similar contract even if they would go into the android market as well.

No they wouldn't, Google has their own agenda, they have their own "superior" (according to them) services.

Also, Nokia had said many times in the past that they did approach Google with an offer, but they wanted some privileges, I guess mostly on sharing the upstream codebase and requesting features and changing the course of the overall development of the OS.
Google refused and told Nokia, according to Nokia, that they should just take it and reskin it like everyone else or leave it.

So the MSFT + NOKIA deal makes perfect sense. Microsoft will stand by their product even if they're bleeding money and Nokia will not be abandoned by Microsoft, at least not while WP has an upwards climb ahead of it.

typu said,
nokia is walking on thin ice here. if their exclusive strategy does not pay off they run into a liquidity problem even more.

cashflow wise it might have been smarter to run the lumia strategy while having a few capable android phones as well. in their position cashflow is key for survival.


As are expenses, which affect cash flow as well (and would be dramatically impacted by Android.). It's not a cheap OS as people think, due to the development costs.

Part of saving Nokia was trimming expenses, which they could not do with Android.

typu said,
well not sure about that. nokia has some services that microsoft truely needs. they surely cannot bundle with google, so nokia is the logical (and only?) alternative to some services (.e.g. navigation, maps). sooo im inclined to say that nokia would have been able to get a very similar contract even if they would go into the android market as well.

but i guess having an ex-MS as CEO does have some consequences.


That's simply incorrect. They would not have gotten a similar contract had they not gone all in...

i guess you misunderstood me

"they (nokia) surely cannot bundle with google, so nokia is the logical (and only?) alternative to some services (for microsoft) "

Coolicer said,

No they wouldn't, Google has their own agenda, they have their own "superior" (according to them) services.

Also, Nokia had said many times in the past that they did approach Google with an offer, but they wanted some privileges, I guess mostly on sharing the upstream codebase and requesting features and changing the course of the overall development of the OS.
Google refused and told Nokia, according to Nokia, that they should just take it and reskin it like everyone else or leave it.

So the MSFT + NOKIA deal makes perfect sense. Microsoft will stand by their product even if they're bleeding money and Nokia will not be abandoned by Microsoft, at least not while WP has an upwards climb ahead of it.

thats speculation. I say they would, simply because microsoft is late in game and needs strong partners. without nokia their path would go even longer. im not saying the same deal, but a similar one. thats all.

M_Lyons10 said,

That's simply incorrect. They would not have gotten a similar contract had they not gone all in...

typu said,
well not sure about that. nokia has some services that microsoft truely needs. they surely cannot bundle with google, so nokia is the logical (and only?) alternative to some services (.e.g. navigation, maps). sooo im inclined to say that nokia would have been able to get a very similar contract even if they would go into the android market as well.

but i guess having an ex-MS as CEO does have some consequences.


Microsoft has Bing maps. Which happens to come with navigation. Surely it wouldnt take MS allot of effort to create a navigation app with it?
However Nokia maps is a better solution then Bing or Google maps.
Coolicer said,

No they wouldn't, Google has their own agenda, they have their own "superior" (according to them) services.

Also, Nokia had said many times in the past that they did approach Google with an offer, but they wanted some privileges, I guess mostly on sharing the upstream codebase and requesting features and changing the course of the overall development of the OS.
Google refused and told Nokia, according to Nokia, that they should just take it and reskin it like everyone else or leave it.

So the MSFT + NOKIA deal makes perfect sense. Microsoft will stand by their product even if they're bleeding money and Nokia will not be abandoned by Microsoft, at least not while WP has an upwards climb ahead of it.


In a worst case scenario, MS can easily bail out Nokia. Or just buy Nokia. MS is a good partner to have in these kinda bussinesses.
If Nokia would've gone with Google, and their Android devices would fail. Google would not be there to support Nokia.

Nokia has had Linux OSes for a long time, it changed their name every other year but it has had that. It probably still supports the n900 or the n9.

It's a bit sad for them they don't have at least one Android phone, just to dip their toes in the water. They of all people could have made a lot of money.

LauRoman said,
Nokia has had Linux OSes for a long time, it changed their name every other year but it has had that. It probably still supports the n900 or the n9.

It's a bit sad for them they don't have at least one Android phone, just to dip their toes in the water. They of all people could have made a lot of money.

If they had released a Lumia 920 with Android I would have bought one on launch day.

thealexweb said,

If they had released a Lumia 920 with Android I would have bought one on launch day.


Oh well. Now they miss an additional backorder. Poor them.

thealexweb said,

If they had released a Lumia 920 with Android I would have bought one on launch day.

If they had done that i WOULDN'T have bought one. Theres a million other boring laggy Android turds floating around. I dumped a GS3 for the 920 and couldn't be happier.

thealexweb said,

If they had released a Lumia 920 with Android I would have bought one on launch day.

If I remember correctly the reason for not purchasing was because you were already satisfied with your current Android malware.

ingramator said,

If I remember correctly the reason for not purchasing was because you were already satisfied with your current Android malware.


Troll Fail, there is Zero Android 'Malware'

yowanvista said,

Troll Fail, there is Zero Android 'Malware'

Hm... Odd... There've been articles even published here detailing malware that was in the wild. Even at one point in the store... Hm...

What is this, the hate-on-Android circklejerk or something?

Like it or not, you can't argue with Android's success and popularity. Same goes for iOS. As Nokia is struggling, one can't help but wonder why they wouldn't release a single Android device to test the waters. Even if you dislike android and love Windows Phone, can you not at least agree that anything that helps a dying company is a good thing?

M_Lyons10 said,

Hm... Odd... There've been articles even published here detailing malware that was in the wild. Even at one point in the store... Hm...

Care to show me some real 'Android Malware' that infects the damn OS instead of those puppy rogue Apps that ARE installed by the user?

ingramator said,

If I remember correctly the reason for not purchasing was because you were already satisfied with your current Android malware.

I picked Android over Windows Phone because WP simply isn't credible for the average user, of my 20 most used apps on iOS, all were on Android, only around three were available on WP and even then with a sub-par feature set and generally more expensive,

Kushan said,
What is this, the hate-on-Android circklejerk or something?

Like it or not, you can't argue with Android's success and popularity. Same goes for iOS. As Nokia is struggling, one can't help but wonder why they wouldn't release a single Android device to test the waters. Even if you dislike android and love Windows Phone, can you not at least agree that anything that helps a dying company is a good thing?

I don't think even the biggest WP fanboy can legitimately argue Android or iOS' success, nor do I think that's what is happening above (I'd call that hating on Android). However, that does not change the simple point that Nokia has two very large financial reasons to not put its toe in the water for Android: it has the financial backing of Microsoft, which has injected at least a billion dollars, and having a separate development team means paying more people while cutting manufacturing. In such a situation, one team will always be playing second-fiddle to the other.

There's obviously some very high risk and reward going in either camp, but Nokia made the decision that they did, and considering the wild success of the 920 (you can't even order a Cyan or Yellow 920 for AT&T because they are so backordered), it's hard to question whether or not it's paying off; now we need to see the longer term fallout of the 920, and Nokia in general, but the signs are pointing to survival. Add to that a second manufacturing line (they already have at least three different 8xx lines with the 810, 820 and 822) for a completely different product like Android, and it would only create greater delays.

yowanvista said,
Care to show me some real 'Android Malware' that infects the damn OS instead of those puppy rogue Apps that ARE installed by the user?

Before it gets out of control, it's worthwhile to mention that Malware is installed by the user. It's worms/viruses that have the capability to jump.

Malware are just garbage apps that advertise--similar to trojans--some features, but either through trickery or something else, they get installed with the intent of spamming you and stealing your information (e.g., your address book).

Kushan said,
Like it or not, you can't argue with Android's success and popularity. Same goes for iOS. As Nokia is struggling, one can't help but wonder why they wouldn't release a single Android device to test the waters. Even if you dislike android and love Windows Phone, can you not at least agree that anything that helps a dying company is a good thing?

I can argue all of your points.
Choosing to produce an Android phone costs money. They would need to assemble a team, decide on which aged version of the OS they were going to bundle, deterimine their own update schedule, add their own secret sauce, and come up with a reasonable patent protection licensing scheme with MS.

OR

use the billions that MS gave them to stay exclusive to develop a Windows only ecosystem.


Android is ONLY successful because of the pencil necked nerds at the telcos and oems who were tired of playing with RHEL and Ubuntu, and found a way to make their stakeholders spend money on it. With no viable OS alternative, it really was a no brainer for the executives.

With Samsung being the only company making money off their low low end Android sets, to which Nokia already have Symbian, it wouldn't make sense to cannibalize one part of their company to fulfill the experiment.