Nokia brings RAW DNG image format to the 1020 and 1520 Lumias

Showing once again that they are super serious about mobile photography, Nokia has announced it’s bringing support for RAW image files to the Lumia 1020 and the newer 1520 phablet.

This will come in the form of an update to the Nokia Camera app, that brings users the ability to save images in the .DNG (Digital Negative) format. And of course it’s only available on those devices that have camera powerful enough to actually make use of this technology. Juha Alakarhu, head of imaging technologies at Nokia commented about the new feature:

This is one of the most exciting announcements of the week for me personally,” says Juha Alakarhu, head of imaging technologies at Nokia. “It has been a key request from so many of our users for a long time now. People who are passionate about photography can be more creative and do more with the images from their Lumia than ever before.

So how do you use DNG? Well it’s super simple actually. Users will have the option to choose the lossless format in the photo settings panel, being able to choose between JPEG and DNG that also shoots a 5Mpx oversampled JPEG, which you can share online. However, regular users have nothing to worry about and won’t have to play with settings if they don’t want to, as the app keeps the JPEG format as the default one taking all pictures much as it has until now.

It’s great to see Nokia bringing new, important and exciting capabilities to its users and we can’t wait to see what the results will be when users starts using these new features. And if you want to see some examples check out the source link.

Source and Images: Nokia Conversations

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Two things I'm embarrassed as a nerd to admit:

1. I think PAR2 works on magic.
2. No idea how shooting in RAW will give me a better photo than shooting in JPG. Is RAW the same as TIFF?

A raw file usually holds more information and more precise color information, than your basic jpg file, even if you are setting that quality value to 12 in photoshop. Jpegs are an optimized and compressed format, meaning that the color range has been cropped or reduced to more of the range of what you can see or tell - and what this does is leave you no room to readjust the image in post. IE, if you bring a dark photo -jpg- into photoshop and brighten it up, you will find that it end up looking very dull because there is no data outside of what is already visible; a raw file would give you something more. Bring light from the shadows!

tom street said,
A raw file usually holds more information and more precise color information, than your basic jpg file, even if you are setting that quality value to 12 in photoshop. Jpegs are an optimized and compressed format, meaning that the color range has been cropped or reduced to more of the range of what you can see or tell - and what this does is leave you no room to readjust the image in post. IE, if you bring a dark photo -jpg- into photoshop and brighten it up, you will find that it end up looking very dull because there is no data outside of what is already visible; a raw file would give you something more. Bring light from the shadows!

That makes sense. Thanks for the explanation!

In Addition to what Tom said (which is mostly accurate) a RAW file is exactly that, the raw camera data. You can then open the RAW file and adjust lots of parameters such as White balance, colour levels, contrast, how bright the whites, mid tones, shadows and blacks are amongst other things.

The best part is with RAW the changes are non destructive, meaning that if you decide you want the original back or want to change it in some way you can use the "original" .jpg lets the camera make all the decisions and outputs to a very compressed format, and of course you can't go back.

DNG is the file format of choice because the text file that contains the relevant values for developing the photo are stored within the .dng container, other format such as .cr2 (Canon) and .nef (Nikon) have a sidecar file that stores these values.

Auzeras said,
The best part is with RAW the changes are non destructive.

This is the big thing!! Hugely important.

Auzeras said,
DNG is the file format of choice because the text file that contains the relevant values for developing the photo are stored within the .dng container, other format such as .cr2 (Canon) and .nef (Nikon) have a sidecar file that stores these values.

This is probably better than it sounds. I'd rather delete the secondary file to reopen the RAW as default than use another method. That's easier.

ZipZapRap said,

This is probably better than it sounds. I'd rather delete the secondary file to reopen the RAW as default than use another method. That's easier.

You can reset the values to default in most RAW editing suites, sidecar files are a right pain to use, it makes managing files hard and if one gets deleted or the .raw and sidecar get lost/separated you loose everything. I've not bothered using it but I'm fairly sure Lightroom and most major editing software includes an option for "revisions" allowing you to save a .dng with several different possible configurations. It might require conversion from .dng to a specific format though.

ObiWanToby said,
Very nice. Can't wait for the second gen 1020, hopefully true all days battery life, and a more refined Windows Platform.

What do you mean? My phone lasts from 7:30am up til 23:00pm after which it goes into battery saving mode. If you leave it in battery saving mode without charging it actually lasts until next day without issue. I use my phone for work so email, phone calls, whatsapp, occasional browsing, Skype ... this phone's battery has lasted a lot longer tan iPhone5, HTC Diamonds or Samsung Omnia7 I had previously.

ObiWanToby said,
Very nice. Can't wait for the second gen 1020, hopefully true all days battery life, and a more refined Windows Platform.

I cant wait for a Lumia 1020 to come to Verizon. :-/

But when will this be available as an update? I just got an update to the Nokia Camera yesterday but I don't see this option...

I don't know what impressed me more, the fact that they opened up RAW from the camera or the fact they used a nice standard format in DNG instead of a bespoke RAW format, big thumbs up from over here

DNG is a proprietary Adobe format. The main reason Nokia went for DNG is likely because it usually has smaller file sizes than RAW.

It's great they have this option though, and it took Neowin long enough to report on this... it was announced days ago.

NoClipMode said,
DNG is a proprietary Adobe format. The main reason Nokia went for DNG is likely because it usually has smaller file sizes than RAW.

It's great they have this option though, and it took Neowin long enough to report on this... it was announced days ago.

there is no such thing as a standard raw format. Each OEM decided. Nikon uses NEF. Raw just means OEM specific format.

neonspark said,

there is no such thing as a standard raw format. Each OEM decided. Nikon uses NEF. Raw just means OEM specific format.

RAW does not mean OEM specific format. Its a format that stores images before processing has taken place on the image received from the sensor. It is often OEM specific, but that's not what it means.

M4x1mus said,

RAW does not mean OEM specific format. Its a format that stores images before processing has taken place on the image received from the sensor. It is often OEM specific, but that's not what it means.

How come when I take photos with my Canon DSLR, it saves them as RAW. But I still have to install a specific codec for Canon RAW files? Seems like every OEM has its own RAW codec.

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/...ms/canon_raw_codec_software

MidTxWRX said,

How come when I take photos with my Canon DSLR, it saves them as RAW. But I still have to install a specific codec for Canon RAW files? Seems like every OEM has its own RAW codec.

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/...ms/canon_raw_codec_software

Yes, because every sensor is slightly different. A RAW photo is nothing but a direct dump of the data the sensor is receiving. And it's dumped in the way the sensor understands it.

Choto Cheeta said,
So are they offering a Camera which can make calls or a phone which can takes picture ?? :confuse:

Is it not allowed to do both? lol

Choto Cheeta said,
So are they offering a Camera which can make calls or a phone which can takes picture ?? :confuse:

sorry, but why are you so hard to please?

Choto Cheeta said,
So are they offering a Camera which can make calls or a phone which can takes picture ?? :confuse:

this reminds me of old quote: "you can never please everybody". what's wrong with having a powerful camera always in your pocket which is also a phone? or you want to carry a DSLR with you everywhere you go?

Choto Cheeta said,
So are they offering a Camera which can make calls or a phone which can takes picture ?? :confuse:

Yes and everyone else is selling a GPS navigator which can play music, video, browse internet and make calls. /s

go away troll.