Nokia Phi to be the first Windows Phone 8 device?

Microsoft's upcoming smartphone operating system Windows Phone 8 has created a lot of buzz since its announcement. Windows Phone 8, code-named Apollo, will have tons of new features and will hopefully increase Microsoft's share in the smartphone market.

Now leaked images revealing info on the first Windows Phone 8 device have appeared on the net. The leaked info reveals that Nokia Phi could possibly be the first Windows Phone 8 device.

Nokia Phi is expected to have almost the same design that Nokia Lumia 900 currently has. Also, the device will feature an external microSD card slot along with NFC capabilities and it will be the first dual-core Windows Phone device with a S4 CPU made by Qualcomm. The device will also support Bluetooth file transfer and will come preinstalled with Internet Explorer 10.

While there is no announcement on the release dates of this phone, sources reveal that it could be launched later in October along with a few other Windows Phone 8 devices.

Source| WPDang

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If Microsoft doesn't make Windows Phone 8 fail, you can bet At&t will make it fail. That is what happened to Windows Phone 7.

.fahim said,
Any idea how much on-board storage this will be carrying?

Probably many variants as in 16/32/64GB ones + external storage in this case. I might be wrong ofcourse.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,

Probably many variants as in 16/32/64GB ones + external storage in this case. I might be wrong ofcourse.

I hope you are right. Would love a 64GB internal storage so that I can get rid of my iPhone.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,

Probably many variants as in 16/32/64GB ones + external storage in this case. I might be wrong ofcourse.

I hope you are right. Would love a 64GB internal storage so that I can get rid of my iPhone.

Nice article for your age
But there are some perfectionistic errors..

will come pre installed with Internet explorer 10.

Should be "pre-installed" and "Internet Explorer 10".

Toysoldier said,
Stop being such a troll and click the "Report a problem with article" link, we don't care what you think about his spelling.

You should speak for yourself instead of acting as if you represent us all. That said you're right he should use the "report button" for errors like these.

Toysoldier said,

Stop being such a troll and click the "Report a problem with article" link, we don't care what you think about his spelling.


Dude, really? I'm sorry, I forgot about that link. No need to personally attack me and accuse me of a troll. F**king seriously. WHAT is so "trollish" about it?? If you mean the "for your age" part, well I'm sorry. I'm welcoming a new author and giving him advice. I will report it using the link now. Happy? Sheesh. I thought you were a friendly guy dude? Probably this Neowin mentality taking over.

Ok sorry for overreacting right there. I honestly forgot about that report button. I'm still unsure what makes me a troll.

lsguntu said,
Dual core? Please release a quad core . When competition is releasing quad core why cant nokia?

Most likely coz performance depends on many things, not just on the number of cores.

I am holding out for a nokia wp8 pureview.... have to assume this will be the "cheap" option at launch because just a slightly bumped 900 is not going to set the world on fire.

jagowar said,
I am holding out for a nokia wp8 pureview.... have to assume this will be the "cheap" option at launch because just a slightly bumped 900 is not going to set the world on fire.

+1 for that. Even i will wait pureview and Dual core? Please release a quad core . When competition is releasing quad core why cant nokia?

lsguntu said,

+1 for that. Even i will wait pureview and Dual core? Please release a quad core . When competition is releasing quad core why cant nokia?

And you need it for..? There's no real need for it anyway besides saying to your friends that you got a quad-core phone.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,

And you need it for..? There's no real need for it anyway besides saying to your friends that you got a quad-core phone.


I agree with you, but in regard to competing it is needed unfortunately. This is due to a high number of people and phone store employees having such a high regard for spec sheets and perfromance charts creates from synthetic tests. Real world usage its not needed but bragging rights simply are if the platform as a whole is to penetrate fully.

even if I don't get one, to have a flagship phone with quad core, stupid ram, stupid storage, highest res, big screen, great audio, 1080 video, HDMI, overclocked...........ok going too far, but a flagship device that maybe doesn't sell well has its place in the line up if only for the bragging rights, its stupid, but its how it is.

duddit2 said,

I agree with you, but in regard to competing it is needed unfortunately. This is due to a high number of people and phone store employees having such a high regard for spec sheets and perfromance charts creates from synthetic tests. Real world usage its not needed but bragging rights simply are if the platform as a whole is to penetrate fully.

even if I don't get one, to have a flagship phone with quad core, stupid ram, stupid storage, highest res, big screen, great audio, 1080 video, HDMI, overclocked...........ok going too far, but a flagship device that maybe doesn't sell well has its place in the line up if only for the bragging rights, its stupid, but its how it is.

Thats exactly what we need to disregard. The current lineup of Lumias are barely "high-end" phones but they respond as good as any high end phone out there but just because it doesn't have this and that people think it's a bad phone. Hopefully this kind of mentality will be gone soon.

lsguntu said,

+1 for that. Even i will wait pureview and Dual core? Please release a quad core . When competition is releasing quad core why cant nokia?

Even HTC is planning on releasing a quad core WP8 device.

duddit2 said,

I agree with you, but in regard to competing it is needed unfortunately. This is due to a high number of people and phone store employees having such a high regard for spec sheets and perfromance charts creates from synthetic tests. Real world usage its not needed but bragging rights simply are if the platform as a whole is to penetrate fully.

even if I don't get one, to have a flagship phone with quad core, stupid ram, stupid storage, highest res, big screen, great audio, 1080 video, HDMI, overclocked...........ok going too far, but a flagship device that maybe doesn't sell well has its place in the line up if only for the bragging rights, its stupid, but its how it is.

Exactly and other reasons

1) Quad core - We might get upgrade to WP9 (my wild guess)
2) for the same price, we are getting quad core in android.

I am a fan of Windows phone and want to see WP8 phones on top of all devices in EVERY aspect.

my point is, what is that Nokia is giving more than their competitors?

lsguntu said,

Exactly and other reasons

1) Quad core - We might get upgrade to WP9 (my wild guess)
2) for the same price, we are getting quad core in android.

I am a fan of Windows phone and want to see WP8 phones on top of all devices in EVERY aspect.

my point is, what is that Nokia is giving more than their competitors?

I really don't believe that there will be a similar jump from WP8 to WP9 as is the current case, simply because WP8 shares the same kernel and core tech as windows 8, windows server 2012 etc. the generational jump has been made and the mobile/desktop/server/tablet OS's will now enjoy incremental updates/bugfixes etc but not the same major jump until the next kernel version (windows 9 etc) but even then the major hardware advances (NFC etc) in the phones wont be that much of an issue.

The biggest thing IMO that forced the WP7.x - WP8 cut off is device encryption and secure boot (devices will have a TPM which no current devices do - this alone is a deal breaker). There is no way to add a TPM to older phones, so the WP8 OS would simply not boot on one of them phones, simples.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,

Thats exactly what we need to disregard. The current lineup of Lumias are barely "high-end" phones but they respond as good as any high end phone out there but just because it doesn't have this and that people think it's a bad phone. Hopefully this kind of mentality will be gone soon.

Unfortunately this attitude has been around in technology since I can remember and it aint going away any time soon, Intel tried to move away from it with the naming conventions of the CPU's but its still around - people want to look at a spec sheet or simple list and say that is better than that, they don't want to get into the whole thought process of understanding how something feels and responds is not directly tied to a synthetic test or spec sheet.

For this reason, we need high end flagship phones for these people to geek out over and show off with, its why android is enjoying such success (among other reasons).

duddit2 said,

I really don't believe that there will be a similar jump from WP8 to WP9 as is the current case, simply because WP8 shares the same kernel and core tech as windows 8, windows server 2012 etc. the generational jump has been made and the mobile/desktop/server/tablet OS's will now enjoy incremental updates/bugfixes etc but not the same major jump until the next kernel version (windows 9 etc) but even then the major hardware advances (NFC etc) in the phones wont be that much of an issue.

The biggest thing IMO that forced the WP7.x - WP8 cut off is device encryption and secure boot (devices will have a TPM which no current devices do - this alone is a deal breaker). There is no way to add a TPM to older phones, so the WP8 OS would simply not boot on one of them phones, simples.

This is true, anyone who's thinking they'll just drop WP8 devices when WP9 comes don't seem to understand why MS did what it did this time and just figures they'll do the same again. There's not going to be any core OS changes when WP9 comes, WP9 will still be NT, the kernel will be the same (just a updated version), there's no dramatic OS change from CE to NT, WP8 is NT, WP9 will be NT.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,

And you need it for..? There's no real need for it anyway besides saying to your friends that you got a quad-core phone.

True if you don't play games any non smartphone will do as well.

still1 said,
so when are the going to abandon wp8 like wm6 and wp7?

Very valid point. Now when most people will come to know about this they are going to be feeling angry. I feel stupid recommending WP 7.5 lumias to family members as I expected Microsoft to update it to WP8 in near future. Instead they will be stuck with WP 7.6 or whatever with declining Market apps growth.

Biggest fail after Kin.

sanke1 said,

Very valid point. Now when most people will come to know about this they are going to be feeling angry. I feel stupid recommending WP 7.5 lumias to family members as I expected Microsoft to update it to WP8 in near future. Instead they will be stuck with WP 7.6 or whatever with declining Market apps growth.

Biggest fail after Kin.

Only difference between WP 7.8 and WP8 will be some hardware changes that can't be integrated with WP7.8 so I can't see your logic behind your fanboism. WP7.8 is already the 2nd largest upgrade for WP and thats already more what most Android get officially so stop complaning. Also apps are engouraged to be made for 7.8 since they will automatically work on 8 but not the other way around.

sanke1 said,

Very valid point. Now when most people will come to know about this they are going to be feeling angry. I feel stupid recommending WP 7.5 lumias to family members as I expected Microsoft to update it to WP8 in near future. Instead they will be stuck with WP 7.6 or whatever with declining Market apps growth.

Biggest fail after Kin.

Yepp, coz other companies support old handsets forever.

Very valid point.

bviktor said,

Yepp, coz other companies support old handsets forever.

Very valid point.

It still makes sense to abandon update for some phones but new phones like Lumia 900?

bviktor said,

Yepp, coz other companies support old handsets forever.

Except that the Lumia 900 is still on sale now, so a week or two after buying one, it could be obsolete. That's pretty harsh by any estimation.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,

Only difference between WP 7.8 and WP8 will be some hardware changes that can't be integrated with WP7.8 so I can't see your logic behind your fanboism.

From what I've heard there will be quite a few software features not making it, including the fact the WP8 apps won't run on WP7, which in itself is a death sentence for the WP7 ecosystem.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,

WP7.8 is already the 2nd largest upgrade for WP

So far WP7 has only seen incremental upgrades, and with WP7.8, you're getting a crippled version of the first big update. I liken the WP8 update to Android's GB -> ICS. Both are huge upgrades, except that all Android phones that receive it, get the whole thing, not some feature stripped, crippled version.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,

and thats already more what most Android get officially so stop complaning.

Not a single WP7 device is getting the WP8 upgrade, and most of the recent Android phones have or are receiving the ICS upgrade. Are you really suggesting that Microsoft's support for WP7 is better than Android's ICS upgrade? Even when a phone (Lumia 900) bought a week before WP8 devices come out won't get the update?

Microsoft has proven time and time again that they will throw users and developers under the bus when it comes to mobile platforms - WinMo, Kin, Zune, WP7. There's only so many times you can spit in the face of your customers before they avoid you completely.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,

Also apps are engouraged to be made for 7.8 since they will automatically work on 8 but not the other way around.

Do you seriously think anyone's going to commit resources to a platform (WP7) that's a dead end? You're living in a fantasy if you think WP7 users aren't going to be ignored. I reckon it won't be long before Microsoft cuts support for WP7 completely like it did to Windows Mobile users.

Edited by simplezz, Aug 13 2012, 10:19am :

alwaysonacoffebreak said,

Only difference between WP 7.8 and WP8 will be some hardware changes that can't be integrated with WP7.8 so I can't see your logic behind your fanboism. WP7.8 is already the 2nd largest upgrade for WP and thats already more what most Android get officially so stop complaning. Also apps are engouraged to be made for 7.8 since they will automatically work on 8 but not the other way around.

What are you talking about? Huge, non-hardware related features like in-app purchasing have already been discovered (in the leaked SDK) that will not be available on 7.8. Actually, the only thing we now for sure that will be on 7.8 is the new start screen.

Seeing as how free+in-app purchases is quickly becoming the most popular method of mobile software monetization I'm not really sure people are going to be putting that much effort into backporting to 7.8

simplezz, you're an known fanboy in this community and a plain out i*dot, I'm not even going to argue with you since you can't even understand why WP7 phones are not getting WP8 or why do they need to rewrite WP8 on NT. Next time just don't adress me what so ever.

IMHO, the Lumia design requires 'Virtual' on-screen buttons, rather than the 'capacitive hardware' on screen buttons the current Lumia's include (originally designed for the N9 with virtual buttons).

The advantage of this is that you can increase the size of the screen, but at the same time reduce the size of the bezel. E.g. By including 'Virtual' buttons on the Lumia 900, Nokia could possibly increase the size of the screen to 4.5-7" - from the current 4.3" without an increase in the size of the handset.

The Lumia 900 also needs to go on a diet and should be no thicker than 10mm max... ideally under 9mm.

SCOOBY_666UK said,
IMHO, the Lumia design requires 'Virtual' on-screen buttons, rather than the 'capacitive hardware' on screen buttons the current Lumia's include (originally designed for the N9 with virtual buttons).

The advantage of this is that you can increase the size of the screen, but at the same time reduce the size of the bezel. E.g. By including 'Virtual' buttons on the Lumia 900, Nokia could possibly increase the size of the screen to 4.5-7" - from the current 4.3" without an increase in the size of the handset.

The Lumia 900 also needs to go on a diet and should be no thicker than 10mm max... ideally under 9mm.

yeah but whats the point on having a bigger screen if you cant use it? All that equals is less battery life and less responsiveness (arguably)

ingramator said,

yeah but whats the point on having a bigger screen if you cant use it? All that equals is less battery life and less responsiveness (arguably)

I don't think you quite understand the concept.

Virtual Buttons ONLY appear when you swipe from the bottom of the screen. They are not always present... They ONLY appear when required... much like the Charms in Windows 8. This would therefore give you much more screen space and reduce the size of the bezel, by not having the FIXED capacitive buttons, which can also be very annoying when playing games.

The Lumia is originally designed for the virtual buttons.

Still going to wait and see what BB10 is going to be like - but Nokia with WP is looking more and more attractive everyday.

Leopoldo Dante Rodriguez said,
"almost the dame design that Nokia Lumia 900" I'm assuming you mean "same design".

*almost the damn

I thought Nokia was going to have a one month lead way of sale before it's competitors. I read on here htc plans on selling their wp8 phone next month.

bridges said,
I thought Nokia was going to have a one month lead way of sale before it's competitors. I read on here htc plans on selling their wp8 phone next month.

HTC is Announcing their WP8 lineup next month. Not releasing them.

Well that sucks! I was hoping Nokia would release theirs next month before apple. I would think Nokia needs to release their wp 8 before apple if they want to do really good in this market and be a big competitor to apple.

TechJunkie81 said,

HTC is Announcing their WP8 lineup next month. Not releasing them.

Give it a WP8 logo, and make sure its at minimum 4.5" screen, and a selection of coloured highlights, and I would buy out my contract to get one!

You can buy out your contract? I'm waiting for wp8 myself and not sure when my contract is up.

mdtaUK said,
Give it a WP8 logo, and make sure its at minimum 4.5" screen, and a selection of coloured highlights, and I would buy out my contract to get one!

bridges said,
You can buy out your contract? I'm waiting for wp8 myself and not sure when my contract is up.


Yea. Anyone can do that. It's called the Early Termination Fee

virtorio said,
Or maybe it's a prototype and they haven't put the final branding on it yet.

May be. Or it could just be a WP7 prototype.

Sarvesh Shrivastava said,
The device is in initial stage of development, may be that's why they are using the WP7 logo till now...

If the device is still in initial stage of development an October release date is impossible. That said we have no idea how old the photo is.

I am not a Windows Phone user till now but will surely buy a WP8 device

scumdogmillionaire said,
I will probably upgrade to the WP8 version of the Samsung Focus. My wife and I love ours so much! But the Nokia is tempting.

scumdogmillionaire said,
I will probably upgrade to the WP8 version of the Samsung Focus. My wife and I love ours so much! But the Nokia is tempting.

Agreed. I'm currently rocking an 800, so will grab a WP8 Nokia as soon as they fly out the stores! That and a either a MS Surface or other Win8 tab...

The device is in initial stage of development, may be that's why they are using the WP7 logo till now...

brent3000 said,
Leaked Windows Phone 8 device with the Windows Phone 7 logo?

Sarvesh Shrivastava said,
The device is in initial stage of development, may be that's why they are using the WP7 logo till now...

If the device will be out in November, it's well beyond the initial stages of development.