Nokia unveils the Lumia 920

Tonight in New York City, Nokia unveiled their latest additions to the Lumia family of devices, the Lumia 820 & the Lumia 920. The announcements came at a joint event held with both Nokia and Microsoft to celebrate the official launch of Windows Phone 8.

The Lumia 920 features a Dual Core Snapdragon S4 processor, NFC, 4.5 HD display (1280x768), LTE, a 2100mAH battery and a 8 Megapixe PureView camera with PureMotion HD+. It's worth noting that this is not the PureView we've seen on the 808 device previously. The company also confirmed that wireless charging is built into the device, and that it too will sport Clearblack technology.

Nokia took the time to brag about the low light performance of the device, and claims that the "floating lens technology" allows them to get much better low light performance than any other mobile camera out there. According to Nokia marketing, the PureView here is not about the megapixels, it's about "the benefits," apparently. 

The Lumia 920 features new Clearblack technology that could be seen in the direct sunlight "in the desert" according to Nokia, thanks to the fact it dynamically reacts to the sunlight. The wireless charging pad -- "Fatboy" -- is not included in the box with the device. Nokia says that all the technology in the Lumia 920 is to ensure you get the "most out of your day" with Windows Phone 8.

The devices will be available in blue, red, yellow, white, grey and black. Nokia said that the display in the new Lumia is even stronger than the previous generation and can withstand even more stress making it 'nearly impossible to scratch.'

In an incredible move, Nokia says the device has "super responsive touch" and it even works through gloves (which was demonstrated on stage). NFC can be used with official Nokia devices to tap-to-pair with wireless speakers and headphones (technology that the company actually debuted in the Nokia N9 earlier this year), and many accessories include a wireless charging pad.

In true Nokia fashion, the company did not announce availability, pricing or what carriers will have the Lumia 920 at launch past a vague "Q4 2012" for "some markets." We guess it'll be another waiting game for now.

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Chicane-UK said,
Really like the look of this. First new handset to interest me in a while. Just need to see the prices now....

Price doesn't worry me, carrier does

Me want one Now!

Plus side - Looks great, Has good spec and as its a Nokia, it will have the kind of build that means it I threw it at a wall, the wall would break. DOES NOT LOOK LIKE AN IPHONE!

Minus Side - Display does not appear to be AMOLED but until I get to see one I cannot really pass judgment on how good or bad it is (remember the Neowin smartphone test showed that AMOLED is not necessarily the best screen type). No Micro SD slot - but then again, have I actually updated the 4GB one I put in my N8. No.

I think I will have to keep an eye on the Deals in the UK. This bundled with the new wireless purity headphones would be a awesome.

Already Nokia is sitting on their laurels. Apple for 6 models and 6 years have basically made 2 phones that look identical for 3 models. Nkia is already falling into this pit. 2 years to flagship devices that look nearly 100% identical to the previous model. Motorola and HTC have also fallen into this rut.

The Moto Razr and Maxx are both the same phone. HTC, most of their phones are based on the HTC Desire. This includes thr Incrdibles,THunderbolt, One Seris and of course the Desire itself. It also included the Rhyme an Rezound.

HTC is losing ground, Motorola is losing ground. One of the main reason Samsung is kicking their ass is because for a flagship device, the models look very distinct after 12 months. I have no problem with a phone maker releasing several variants of one phone in a single year, but once that year is over and you are releasing a new flagship, it should only bare family resemblance, it should be a near identical twin.

The original Galaxy S looks nothing liek the S2 and the S2 doesn't look like the S3. But you can tell they are from the same famaily as they share some similar cosmetic details. But that is it. The 920 looks exectly like a 900 with a curved case., and slightly bigger. That's not inno9vation, its just basic evolution which is exactly the path Apple is on right now.

Of course the iPhone 5S will probbaly look just liek the 5, maybe slightly bigger and of course updated specs. Smartphones have basically turned into laptops. No originality, same look same style no innovation.

I don't understand the strategy of no price,carrier (I'm probably safe being on AT&T) or release date. It makes no sense to me and I'm sure a lot of others. I'm sure on a lot of sites people are saying the same thing. The other phone I'm considering is the new iPhone. In a few days they will tell you all the information that MS/Nokia didn't.

I wish they would smooth those edges, Lumia always looks like its a black phone encased within a sharp edged coloured rectangled package.

That being said, due to the Nokia build quality and camera I would happily buy this if it had android on it - my HTC One X could go on Ebay or sit in a drawer for all I would care.

Its a pity there isn't a way to buy this and then install Android via a hack - Nokia would still have its profitable Windows contract but its users could have some fun.

Orange Battery said,
I wish they would smooth those edges, Lumia always looks like its a black phone encased within a sharp edged coloured rectangled package.

That being said, due to the Nokia build quality and camera I would happily buy this if it had android on it - my HTC One X could go on Ebay or sit in a drawer for all I would care.

Its a pity there isn't a way to buy this and then install Android via a hack - Nokia would still have its profitable Windows contract but its users could have some fun.


Or how about you give Windows Phone a fair chance?

Orange Battery said,
I wish they would smooth those edges, Lumia always looks like its a black phone encased within a sharp edged coloured rectangled package.

That being said, due to the Nokia build quality and camera I would happily buy this if it had android on it - my HTC One X could go on Ebay or sit in a drawer for all I would care.

Its a pity there isn't a way to buy this and then install Android via a hack - Nokia would still have its profitable Windows contract but its users could have some fun.

Install android and ruin it you mean.

How about giving WP8 a try at least.

Cyborg_X said,
These comments made the internet cry

Yea I just read thru that whole top section of comments.... wow...

I love the dual core vs. quad core conversation. What everyone is missing is that Microsoft managed to provide the same apps on less specs. Lets see Angry Birds on my single core HTC Radar is as good as Angry Birds on a quad core. Mhm interesting.

Riva said,
I love the dual core vs. quad core conversation. What everyone is missing is that Microsoft managed to provide the same apps on less specs. Lets see Angry Birds on my single core HTC Radar is as good as Angry Birds on a quad core. Mhm interesting.

I'm sorry, but I've tried Angry Birds on the Lumia 800 (we have one for employees to use in the store) and it's nowhere as smooth as it is on my Xperia Arc (with the exact same processor as the Lumia 800). Or well, it has a stable FPS, but it's absolutely not smooth.

I feel like Verizon needs to get some Windows Phones. This is ridiculous still having only a couple of the oldest models of Windows phones.

GIGS, MHz, Cores! All I Know is that home screen looks busy. And if all of those have live tiles turned on, it might cause a seizure.

ramonsjc said,
GIGS, MHz, Cores! All I Know is that home screen looks busy. And if all of those have live tiles turned on, it might cause a seizure.

You can remove the tiles you don't want if you'd like. Its cleaner than Android's widgets while at the same time more useful than static icons like on iOS.

King Mustard said,
They have tainted the image of PureView.

I don't think so. They're bringing it to the masses in a much more convenient form factor and the tech they announced today is very impressive even if it doesn't include a 41 megapixel sensor.

At the end of the day it's the quality of the photos that counts and the pics demoed in today's presentation looked great.

But didn't Elop say only a few months back that Windows Phone doesn't need multicore processors because it's so efficient? He looks like a bit of an idiot now doesn't he lol.

simplezz said,
But didn't Elop say only a few months back that Windows Phone doesn't need multicore processors because it's so efficient? He looks like a bit of an idiot now doesn't he lol.

Windows Phone 7 =/ Windows Phone 8

simplezz said,
But didn't Elop say only a few months back that Windows Phone doesn't need multicore processors because it's so efficient? He looks like a bit of an idiot now doesn't he lol.

WP doesnt, Apps do.

simplezz said,
But didn't Elop say only a few months back that Windows Phone doesn't need multicore processors because it's so efficient? He looks like a bit of an idiot now doesn't he lol.

Still waiting for your reply from 53 days ago when you said that every Adroid device "get full upgrades." Your silence is still deafening.

simplezz said,
But didn't Elop say only a few months back that Windows Phone doesn't need multicore processors because it's so efficient? He looks like a bit of an idiot now doesn't he lol.

Brotip: Elop doesn't concept phones hardware. But yeah, he said some BS right there

simplezz said,
But didn't Elop say only a few months back that Windows Phone doesn't need multicore processors because it's so efficient? He looks like a bit of an idiot now doesn't he lol.

It doesn't, but they had to please all those people bitching about the lack of dual core phones...

I am totally getting this phone.
I am fed up with iphone and after trying android for 6 month i am not happy either.
I hated android, but they got used to it, and i love some of the features...
but overall, a few little things are killing my experience.


Hope we will know availability and carriers soon, i dont even care about pricing.

red looks nice, like a ferrari red. however a bit of a attention seeker - aka lipstick red.

but i think i'll go for grey.
white and black are typical for phones now. yellow is weird to me.

ahinson said,
Screen is LCD not Super AMOLED? The site spec sheet doesn't list the screen type. The 900 was AMOLED.

IPS Display of sorts.

ahinson said,
Screen is LCD not Super AMOLED? The site spec sheet doesn't list the screen type. The 900 was AMOLED.

They showed some pretty compelling demos for the screen, it's high refresh rate, high res (768P), higher brightness of any other screen as well. All in all, along with the automatic adjustment system to different lighting conditions and the super sensitive setting so you can use it with thick gloves on I'd say the fact it's not AMOLED doesn't mater. I bet if you show it to people they couldn't tell.

GP007 said,

They showed some pretty compelling demos for the screen, it's high refresh rate, high res (768P), higher brightness of any other screen as well. All in all, along with the automatic adjustment system to different lighting conditions and the super sensitive setting so you can use it with thick gloves on I'd say the fact it's not AMOLED doesn't mater. I bet if you show it to people they couldn't tell.

Yes, I agree. The screen looked nice.

I personally don't care if it's LCD or AMOLED. It was more of an observation than a negative thing. I just noticed that they (Nokia) skipped right over discussing the underlying technology used for the display. I have an AMOLED screen on my Galaxy S and it does wonders for black levels, but that's the only thing it excels at.

I plan on buying a 920 based on the camera features alone.

What was the point of this event, other than to just confirm some specs? No new info on WP8, no pricing, no carriers, no availability.

LightEco said,
What was the point of this event, other than to just confirm some specs? No new info on WP8, no pricing, no carriers, no availability.

I agree, this was a boring event once again that was short on details.

LightEco said,
What was the point of this event, other than to just confirm some specs? No new info on WP8, no pricing, no carriers, no availability.

They're just waiting for Apple... then they can tell us about all the other new features coming.

Fritzly said,
So no new information about Wp8?

They demoed the new lens feature, nothing much else, they'll show us everything at some later event they said. Probably BUILD in October I'd bet.

GP007 said,

They demoed the new lens feature, nothing much else, they'll show us everything at some later event they said. Probably BUILD in October I'd bet.

I guess so but this would push devices availability to what? December at the earliest? Maybe end November........... Three months to go............... This is killing me.....

Fritzly said,
So no new information about Wp8?

From what Ballmer was saying they're holding it back so they can release it over the next few weeks - probably so they've got something to fight back with when iPhone 5 gets announced.

Fritzly said,

I guess so but this would push devices availability to what? December at the earliest? Maybe end November........... Three months to go............... This is killing me.....

Nah, not that late, first week of November at the most but I think they're going to time WP8 to hit retail the same time Windows 8 devices hit retail, so October 26th, WP8 might have a delay of a few days at best.

majortom1981 said,
Hmm it works with gloves on.

This detail isn't getting nearly the attention it ought to. How have they made a capacitive display responsive when wearing regular gloves? Touch and display advancements are some of the most interesting details in mobile devices, for all the yammering some people waste their breath on over cores and MHz.

I like the look of this as a replacement to my Samsung Focus. Still need to see the full list of specs though before this tops my list though.

Integrated wireless charging is a nice touch though.

Fritzly said,

Flagship phone and does not have Micro SD card? This is a big issue for me.

Why do people care about SD-memory cards for the phone, 16-32 gig is enough .. ( IMO)

Fritzly said,

Flagship phone and does not have Micro SD card? This is a big issue for me.

The 820 has a microSD slot, hardware wise that and a bit smaller screen though the camera on the 920 makes the loss of a microSD slot a none issue IMO.

Fritzly said,

Flagship phone and does not have Micro SD card? This is a big issue for me.

Yeah you can add a micro SD to the 820 and bump it up to 40GB max, but no listing for a slot on the 920. Not a complete deal beaker for me, but it is a ding. Would be a nice bonus if it had a micro SDXC slot though.

webdev511 said,

Yeah you can add a micro SD to the 820 and bump it up to 40GB max, but no listing for a slot on the 920. Not a complete deal beaker for me, but it is a ding. Would be a nice bonus if it had a micro SDXC slot though.

If you are worried about the pictures taking space on your phone you can always use the 25Gigs that Skydrive gives you with the phone and reserve the 32Gigs for music, videos etc. That's exactly what I'm doing with my Lumia 800 right now

EvilAstroboy said,

Why do people care about SD-memory cards for the phone, 16-32 gig is enough .. ( IMO)

As you stated it might be enough for you, might not be for others.........

GP007 said,

The 820 has a microSD slot, hardware wise that and a bit smaller screen though the camera on the 920 makes the loss of a microSD slot a none issue IMO.

Mind to explain how a better camera is related to no removable storage?
If you mean that the advantage of the better camera overcome the limitation of the lack of removable storage..... that is fine but it may work for you, not necessarily for me.
After the presentation I am even more interested in the HTC although I have no problem to say that if I will get a different device I will envy your 920 camera. :-)
Life is always a trade-off........

webdev511 said,

Yeah you can add a micro SD to the 820 and bump it up to 40GB max, but no listing for a slot on the 920. Not a complete deal beaker for me, but it is a ding. Would be a nice bonus if it had a micro SDXC slot though.

I think it doesn't have one because of the simple fact that they probably don't have room for it with the type of pureview camera tech they jammed into the device. Also the body is one piece unlike the 820 that can detach the back cover.

Fritzly said,

Mind to explain how a better camera is related to no removable storage?
If you mean that the advantage of the better camera overcome the limitation of the lack of removable storage..... that is fine but it may work for you, not necessarily for me.
After the presentation I am even more interested in the HTC although I have no problem to say that if I will get a different device I will envy your 920 camera. :-)
Life is always a trade-off........

That's what I mean, I see the tradeoff worth it at this point. Plus we're not talking about a 8GB device, since you can get a 32GB model I honestly think that's enough for lots of people. The real benefit of a microSD slot is that you can just quickly swap between different content that you've pre-loaded to 2 or more cards but at that point we're talking minority and niche type scenarios.

Fritzly said,

Flagship phone and does not have Micro SD card? This is a big issue for me.


I'm fine with that. The MicroSD card in my Focus has a little brain fart at times that requires me to pop it out and reseat it. So getting ample storage from the start and having SkyDrive access, it will work for my situation.

I understand others might need more storage for their needs though.

Fritzly said,

Flagship phone and does not have Micro SD card? This is a big issue for me.

Meh. The way WP handles SD cards makes them not really worthwhile IMO.

My last two smartphones were 32GB iPhones. Now with so much "cloud" stuff going on, I think my next phone will be 16GB because having that extra storage isn't worth it to me. /mytwocents

So, it's considered to be a top-end phone but only has a dual-core processor? It really depends on what they do GPU-wise but Android still has the edge when it comes to top-end handsets.

Even if quad-core processors offer a negligible performance gain - and most of the time that is true - it's still hard to convince consumers than Nokia is playing with the big boys.

theyarecomingforyou said,
So, it's considered to be a top-end phone but only has a dual-core processor? It really depends on what they do GPU-wise but Android still has the edge when it comes to top-end handsets.

Quad-core Android phones are interesting on paper. In practice hardly any, if any, apps actually utilize it.

theyarecomingforyou said,
So, it's considered to be a top-end phone but only has a dual-core processor? It really depends on what they do GPU-wise but Android still has the edge when it comes to top-end handsets.

Even if quad-core processors offer a negligible performance gain - and most of the time that is true - it's still hard to convince consumers than Nokia is playing with the big boys.


Consumers don't care about cores.

.Neo said,

Quad-core Android phones are interesting on paper. In practice hardly any, if any, apps actually utilize it.

I appreciate that but Microsoft's problem is that it doesn't have quad-core phones for those that consider it important. It's mostly a perceptual issue but to consumers it appears that WP8 is behind the curve.

.Neo said,

Quad-core Android phones are interesting on paper. In practice hardly any, if any, apps actually utilize it.
Kind of like a quad core processor with HyperThreading for home PC's? I have one of those, but I don't think I have anything that makes full use of it...

theyarecomingforyou said,
I appreciate that but Microsoft's problem is that it doesn't have quad-core phones for those that consider it important.

Consider it important for what if no software utilizes it? It doesn't add anything. You're talking about quad-core for the sake of quad-core, which potentially hurts battery life. Something that tends to be the bigger issue rather than performance.

Edited by .Neo, Sep 5 2012, 2:49pm :

theyarecomingforyou said,
So, it's considered to be a top-end phone but only has a dual-core processor? It really depends on what they do GPU-wise but Android still has the edge when it comes to top-end handsets.

Even if quad-core processors offer a negligible performance gain - and most of the time that is true - it's still hard to convince consumers than Nokia is playing with the big boys.

All US galaxy S III phones run on a dual-core snapdragon S4 processor with krait cores, same as 920.

Also you should know that a quad-core cortex-A9 isn't any better than a dual-core krait.

.Neo said,

Consider it important for what if no software utilizes it? It doesn't add anything. You're talking about quad-core for the sake of quad-core, which potentially hurts battery life. Something that tends to be the bigger issue rather than performance.

However, most people have 18-24 month contracts and they want a device that is as future-proof as possible. As I said, I'm well aware that battery life suffers but Microsoft just doesn't have the same level of variety that Android does.

theyarecomingforyou said,

I appreciate that but Microsoft's problem is that it doesn't have quad-core phones for those that consider it important. It's mostly a perceptual issue but to consumers it appears that WP8 is behind the curve.

When their dual cores leave a overclocked quad core android in the dust, what's the point ?too look cool on paper ?

theyarecomingforyou said,

However, most people have 18-24 month contracts and they want a device that is as future-proof as possible. As I said, I'm well aware that battery life suffers but Microsoft just doesn't have the same level of variety that Android does.

The only thing that might possibly take advantage of a quad core is gaming. And gaming at that level would be pointless on a tiny screen.

Honestly, a quad core on a phone is pointless and only a marketing gimmick.

Astra.Xtreme said,
The only thing that might possibly take advantage of a quad core is gaming. And gaming at that level would be pointless on a tiny screen.

Yeah, I mean it's not as if games like Angry Birds are at all popular or anything.

Astra.Xtreme said,

The only thing that might possibly take advantage of a quad core is gaming. And gaming at that level would be pointless on a tiny screen.

Unless you can add a wireless game controller and hook it up to a TV.

theyarecomingforyou said,
So, it's considered to be a top-end phone but only has a dual-core processor? It really depends on what they do GPU-wise but Android still has the edge when it comes to top-end handsets.

Even if quad-core processors offer a negligible performance gain - and most of the time that is true - it's still hard to convince consumers than Nokia is playing with the big boys.

The think about Nokia is they don't want to follow other peoples leads.. so if they came out with a quad core phone as the main feature .. and then Samsung releases a Hexacore phone next year the sales would shift... Where as they focus on photography because its not just about numbers but how great the technology and patents are behind it..

theyarecomingforyou said,
So, it's considered to be a top-end phone but only has a dual-core processor? It really depends on what they do GPU-wise but Android still has the edge when it comes to top-end handsets.

Even if quad-core processors offer a negligible performance gain - and most of the time that is true - it's still hard to convince consumers than Nokia is playing with the big boys.

Are you serious with this BS comment?

The myth of the last two decades was clockrate (the MHz myth as it were)...

The myth of this decade is clearly processor cores. More processor cores don't necessarily mean diddly squat. 2 cores =/= twice the performance of 1 core. And 4 cores =/= twice the performance of 2.

Why do Android users jump up and down over GHz/Cores and Memory specs: because their phones are laggy as all hell.

Why don't iPhone and WP users care? Because even their single core 256/512MB phones had buttery smooth interfaces.

theyarecomingforyou said,
So, it's considered to be a top-end phone but only has a dual-core processor? It really depends on what they do GPU-wise but Android still has the edge when it comes to top-end handsets.

Even if quad-core processors offer a negligible performance gain - and most of the time that is true - it's still hard to convince consumers than Nokia is playing with the big boys.


I never understood people's obsession about number of cores. The more cores you have the shorter battery life you will get. so its really a trade off. Moreover it all comes back to OS. Windows Phone OS is a highly optimized OS and it has proved it works very well with single core processor. Unlike android which is laggy and slow on single core processor it is very fast and fluid. so giving it dual core cpu it can surely compete with quad core android phones.

theyarecomingforyou said,

However, most people have 18-24 month contracts and they want a device that is as future-proof as possible. As I said, I'm well aware that battery life suffers but Microsoft just doesn't have the same level of variety that Android does.

As an early adopter of WP7, I can honestly say that my single core HTC Trophy hasn't left me wanting for a dual or quad core cpu at all. What most "Spec Junkies" tend to miss with Windows Phones is that Microsoft dictates the reference platforms so no matter what platform WP OS is running on, it's optimized for the hardware. Google doesn't really have that kind of control over Android hardware. Sure they can publish a spec, but since handset makers don't pay for anything, they don't have to adhere to it. The result being things like the HTC Thunderbolt. Nice specs, horrible performance.

theyarecomingforyou said,

Yeah, I mean it's not as if games like Angry Birds are at all popular or anything.

I'm playing Angry birds just fine on my SINGLE CORE Lumia 800..what's your point? Take your xxx-core trolling somewhere else.

theyarecomingforyou said,

Yeah, I mean it's not as if games like Angry Birds are at all popular or anything.

Angry Birds? I can't tell if you are being serious anymore.

S3P€hR said,

I never understood people's obsession about number of cores. The more cores you have the shorter battery life you will get.

Actually this is not necessarily true; if your apps are optimized to use the multiple cores you could even experience a longer battery life. Said that, AFAIK, such apps do not exist but the idea that more cores means shorter battery life is a mith as well as the fact that the device responsiveness would double getting a quad'cores instead of a two cores.

siah1214 said,

Consumers don't care about cores.

FACT:

Apple / iPhone users don't know what a core is. They simply want "bigger Geebees" and to have someone pair their bluetooth for them so they use the WHYFYES that are floating in the air.

Android users however, do have intermediate to advanced understanding of how the rest of the world functions. They can turn on a computer, drive a car (not a VW Bug or Beamer - such junk lol) and evolve.

theyarecomingforyou said,
So, it's considered to be a top-end phone but only has a dual-core processor? It really depends on what they do GPU-wise but Android still has the edge when it comes to top-end handsets.

Even if quad-core processors offer a negligible performance gain - and most of the time that is true - it's still hard to convince consumers than Nokia is playing with the big boys.


Do you have a quad core smartphone? In fact, do you have an app that utilize quad core?

And about consumers, I think you are a bit confused here. They wouldn't know what a dual or quad core is all about. The majority of the consumer will focus on their social media apps and text messaging. Having to use it as an actual phone and taking pictures to share is a bonus for them. CPUs are the last thing on their mind as long that their phone can do all what they want.

Fritzly said,

Actually this is not necessarily true; if your apps are optimized to use the multiple cores you could even experience a longer battery life. Said that, AFAIK, such apps do not exist but the idea that more cores means shorter battery life is a mith as well as the fact that the device responsiveness would double getting a quad'cores instead of a two cores.

Well the theory is that you can get more work done in less time using more cores, and could maybe save battery. But that's assuming for example you are lagging when using 2 cores, and then magically speed up dramatically when using 4. The power savings is due to the time savings. It's maybe possible, but as others have said, you'd first need a completely optimized OS for those extra cores. At this point, it won't happen on any phone on the market.

Also, I'm not sure why you think responsiveness has a linear correlation to the number of cores. You could maybe shave off a few microseconds, but your brain and eyes couldn't distinguish it anyway. It still comes down to how polished the OS is.

RommelS said,
Do you have a quad core smartphone? In fact, do you have an app that utilize quad core?

No, but they weren't available at the time. I went for a dual-core phone, which at the time weren't common. But both my Dad and my brother have quad-core phones.

And when looking for a new phone now the technology behind it would be a consideration, hence my comments. For instance, I wouldn't buy a phone without NFC and a quad-core processor with decent GPU would definitely be desirable features.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Well the theory is that you can get more work done in less time using more cores, and could maybe save battery. But that's assuming for example you are lagging when using 2 cores, and then magically speed up dramatically when using 4. The power savings is due to the time savings. It's maybe possible, but as others have said, you'd first need a completely optimized OS for those extra cores. At this point, it won't happen on any phone on the market.

Also, I'm not sure why you think responsiveness has a linear correlation to the number of cores. You could maybe shave off a few microseconds, but your brain and eyes couldn't distinguish it anyway. It still comes down to how polished the OS is.

Actually I said exactly the opposite: doubling the cores does not double the device responsiveness.

theyarecomingforyou said,

No, but they weren't available at the time. I went for a dual-core phone, which at the time weren't common. But both my Dad and my brother have quad-core phones.

And when looking for a new phone now the technology behind it would be a consideration, hence my comments. For instance, I wouldn't buy a phone without NFC and a quad-core processor with decent GPU would definitely be desirable features.


Then your argument here is based on what you WANT TO HAVE rather than actual device performance. In this case, you cannot compare any phone because you are driven of what you WANT and not NEED.

theyarecomingforyou said,
So, it's considered to be a top-end phone but only has a dual-core processor? It really depends on what they do GPU-wise but Android still has the edge when it comes to top-end handsets.

Even if quad-core processors offer a negligible performance gain - and most of the time that is true - it's still hard to convince consumers than Nokia is playing with the big boys.

I realize that you are in the UK, but you do realize that most of the Quad core phones are only dual core in the US, where these phones are targeting with their LTE bands? And where they're not dual core, they're most likely not LTE.

Most of the quad core chipsets do not support American LTE networks. For example, see the specs on the American HTC ONE X for AT&T:

http://www.htc.com/us/smartphones/htc-one-x-att/
1.5GHz Dual Core, Qualcomm MSM8960

American Samsung Galaxy S III:

http://www.samsung.com/us/mobi...phones/SGH-I747MBBATT-specs
1.5GHz Advanced Dual Core, Qualcomm

This is what's wrong with people that brag about specs on Android. They usually don't understand the implications of what they're comparing.

So, for the people that have convinced themselves in the US that they have meaningful quad core phones, there's no convincing them anyway because they're flatly wrong. For the people outside of the US, I would think that people would appreciate actually knowing what they are buying, and most likely getting a product that performs just as well, but sips less battery.

There's no point to buying two different processors for your manufacturing lineup so that you can target the world. Particularly when it's a spec war where people have no idea what they're talking about anyway. Android manufacturers have successfully sold the market on their confusion, and I'm actually quite thankful that Nokia is not attempting a bate-and-switch routine.

theyarecomingforyou said,

However, most people have 18-24 month contracts and they want a device that is as future-proof as possible. As I said, I'm well aware that battery life suffers but Microsoft just doesn't have the same level of variety that Android does.

Android phones never receive updates though so future-proofing just isn't a consideration.

RommelS said,
Then your argument here is based on what you WANT TO HAVE rather than actual device performance. In this case, you cannot compare any phone because you are driven of what you WANT and not NEED.

If my phone purchase was based upon what I "need" then I wouldn't need a smartphone at all; I could make do with a basic phone. Of course purchases are based upon what people "want".

pickypg said,
I realize that you are in the UK, but you do realize that most of the Quad core phones are only dual core in the US, where these phones are targeting with their LTE bands? And where they're not dual core, they're most likely not LTE.

Fair enough, but my purchasing decisions are based upon the UK market and while Nokia's latest phone certainly has a lot going for it the specs are behind many other phones in some notable areas.

jakem1 said,
Android phones never receive updates though so future-proofing just isn't a consideration.

That's an outright lie. My phone shipped with Android 2.3 and was updated to Android 4.0, which was a significant update.

theyarecomingforyou said,

If my phone purchase was based upon what I "need" then I wouldn't need a smartphone at all; I could make do with a basic phone. Of course purchases are based upon what people "want".
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Ok, let me rephrase what I just said: Then your argument here is based on what you WANT TO HAVE rather than actual device performance, let alone specifications that you really don't even utlize.

zeke009 said,
Kind of like a quad core processor with HyperThreading for home PC's? I have one of those, but I don't think I have anything that makes full use of it...

Yes you do. Your OS makes use of it. The OS will balance all your non-threaded applications over its 4 (8 logical) processors so you get better performance. Whether an individual application uses it depends on whether it needs it.

theyarecomingforyou said,
So, it's considered to be a top-end phone but only has a dual-core processor? It really depends on what they do GPU-wise but Android still has the edge when it comes to top-end handsets.

Even if quad-core processors offer a negligible performance gain - and most of the time that is true - it's still hard to convince consumers than Nokia is playing with the big boys.


That's because Snapdragon doesn't come in the quad-core variety (yet).

I really doubt consumers will sacrifice LTE for quad-core.

Edited by illegaloperation, Sep 5 2012, 6:49pm :

theyarecomingforyou said,

That's an outright lie. My phone shipped with Android 2.3 and was updated to Android 4.0, which was a significant update.

What phone do you have? because your the 1 out of 400+ android phones that has received an update. Most of motorola's, samsungs, and htc's line that came out before jelly bean even ICS, have BARELY been upgraded to ICS, not only that some companies have taken back there "yes we will upgrade these devices in the next 6 months" promise.

Its a joke how often android phones get updated. Only realiable ones are google's actual branded phones. The Nexus line is the only line of android phones i would EVER buy, if i bought android. But im considering and would rather consider Windows Phone over Android

Sikh said,
What phone do you have? because your the 1 out of 400+ android phones that has received an update. Most of motorola's, samsungs, and htc's line that came out before jelly bean even ICS, have BARELY been upgraded to ICS

I have the HTC Sensation. My point wasn't that most Android phones are updated - statistically the opposite is true - but that it's an outright lie to say that Android phones are "never" updated. You just have to do your research. And yes, Google definitely needs to step up when it comes to updating - Microsoft has done a much better job with WP7.

theyarecomingforyou said,

I have the HTC Sensation. My point wasn't that most Android phones are updated - statistically the opposite is true - but that it's an outright lie to say that Android phones are "never" updated. You just have to do your research. And yes, Google definitely needs to step up when it comes to updating - Microsoft has done a much better job with WP7.

I agree that Google needs to step it up when it comes to updating, but I disagree that Microsoft has done that much better of a job with WP. Just prior to WP being released, MS went to the pulpit to preach about immediate update for all. They fell short with 7.5 at updating all phones, and now they are falling short again with WP8 when it comes to updating the OS on hardware.

In fact NO phone running WP7 is being updated to WP8.

I really want to fall in love with Windows Phone, but this concerns me about the platform. Even if it wasn't a complete update, they could pull an Apple and choose to hold back some features.

theyarecomingforyou said,

I appreciate that but Microsoft's problem is that it doesn't have quad-core phones for those that consider it important. It's mostly a perceptual issue but to consumers it appears that WP8 is behind the curve.

tHe vast majority could give to shakes aboit how many cores a device has. They dont shop based on how many cores as many dont even know what thay means anyways.

For people who actually do care, I'd say they are stupid for caring about such. As long as the OS is smooth, video playback is smooth and the games or apps i use work smooth, thenthe power behind it means nothing.

Just a whole bunch of numbers.

Shadrack said,

I agree that Google needs to step it up when it comes to updating, but I disagree that Microsoft has done that much better of a job with WP. Just prior to WP being released, MS went to the pulpit to preach about immediate update for all. They fell short with 7.5 at updating all phones, and now they are falling short again with WP8 when it comes to updating the OS on hardware.

What? Every Windows Phone got Mango, or WP7.5. Now, every Windows Phone is getting Tango as well. And every Windows Phone is now getting WP7.8, which is disappointingly not WP8, but a much better track record than Google.
Shadrack said,
In fact NO phone running WP7 is being updated to WP8.

I really want to fall in love with Windows Phone, but this concerns me about the platform. Even if it wasn't a complete update, they could pull an Apple and choose to hold back some features.

The kernel will not be changing away from the NT kernel any time soon, which is what prevents WP7 from making the leap to WP8 (some required hardware by the new kernel did not exist on the old hardware). The most realistic concern is that updates will simply slow down, and therefore your phone will EOL naturally due to gaming of updates, but Microsoft has every reason to avoid becoming stagnant, and having pushed out three updates to every single Windows Phone already, with still a fourth on the way (7.8), I'd say they've done alright by me, even if I am disappointed in having an EOL device (off contract Lumia 900).