Nokia working on revolutionary new phone, says iPhone is ‘dated'

It has been some time since we have heard the term “iPhone Killer” but it looks like Nokia is throwing around a similar idea, as it claims it has a revolutionary product in the works that will make other smartphones seem dated.  

The strong words come from a Nokia executive, who spoke with Finnish newspaper Kauppalehti (via BGR). Ahtisaari Optiossa held nothing back in his commentary, saying that the iPhone is “poorly designed” and that “the road from the kitchen into the dining room is always through the front door.”

Little was revealed about the upcoming handset but Ahtisarri was raising expectations at every turn, suggesting that the device will apparently have a breakthrough technology that will revolutionize the user experience. These are words that are not used lightly within the industry and time will be the true test to see if the new product changes the smartphone market.

While little was revealed about the upcoming device, Ahtisarri was clearly making bold predictions about its success and has high hopes that it will change the way interact with our phones. While we don’t know when the device will break cover, we can only hope that it will come soon to help continue the growth of Windows Phone

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And Apple is just sitting about doing nothing.

The new iPhone this summer will probally be a major upgrade with new GUI incorporated into iOS 6.0

The simple interface makes it appealing to the general masses and not just the tech people.

Nexus1974 said,
And Apple is just sitting about doing nothing.

The new iPhone this summer will probally be a major upgrade with new GUI incorporated into iOS 6.0

The simple interface makes it appealing to the general masses and not just the tech people.

Um were you alive in the 80s and 90s and have you seen OS X only slightly evolve from 10.0 to 10.7 in 12 years?

An iMac in 1999 still didn't have a real memory manager or preemptive multi-tasking, and still had 68000 code in the OS that went back to 1984.

So ya, they are on the edge of 'improving' an existing product.

Just like the iPhone has changed SO MUCH since it was released... I mean it now has Stereo Bluetooth and Voice dialing, just like a PocketPC phone did in 2002...

/s

They have had success with taking a product and moving it into a new 'market', like directing a smart-phone at casual consumers, but as for actual 'new' innovation, not so much. There were smart-phones before the iPhone, that had more features than the original iPhone going back to LITERALLY 2002. However, they were marketed to professionals and not every day phone users.

As for a new 'UI'... Again, have you looked at Mac? Have you seen one from 1984? Aside from color and a Dock, they are essentially the same interface design.

OS X today STILL uses a Menu Bar, which is a UI construct from non-graphical interface designs and was used because it was quick and dirty and worked to shove a ton of commands into somewhat organized lists of words.

A Menu is a text based list of words, not so 'graphical' in the least. There were graphical hardware limitations in 1984 that prevented more advanced UI concepts from being used, that even Xerox had tested and moved 'past' the Menu in 1984 by having the luxury of better hardware for research.

Yet with today's computers and graphical capabilities being several 1000 times faster, Macs still use a Menu system.

Do yourself a favor and look up Bill Buxton and some of his presentations on computer interfaces. He actually finds is rather sad a Mac user from 1984 brought to today's world, would work on a modern Mac the same way they did almost 30 years ago.

Apple does have good marketing, and does find a way to sell things to people that normally wouldn't have bought them. However, I am with ya on 'hoping' they revamp the iPhone, but I wouldn't hold my breath on seeing anything too drastic, when stuff from a 1984 Mac UI is still part of both OS X and iOS.

Rosyna said,

Why do you think it won't?

Because a new GUI is a massive undertaking and there's nothing particularly wrong with how iOS works. Same goes for OSX. Both are easy to use and rather intuitive.

Rosyna said,

Why do you think it won't?

I'm with the others on this one. I would be SHOCKED if it had a new UI. It's just not Apple's way. They have built a company around incremental updates to their products and the ideas of others... They are not going to scrap it and try to reinvent the wheel because it would be viewed as "too risky"...

Rosyna said,
Why do you think it won't?
I did not say that. Besides, it's always more likely for improvements than a big overhaul.

thenetavenger said,
...

Well said.

Bill Buxton is critical of all UIs today. He is a big proponent of NUI; finding great new interaction models that better fit the task at hand.

My favorite quote from him, is how he refers to the new wait cursor introduced in Vista as, "The spinning toilet bowl of death".

Nokia were saying things like this about the N8. We waited and we waited - and gave up waiting. And it was a dud when it finally appeared, but by that time many people had succumbed to an iPhone.

Too much talk and not enough delivery. Thanks for dropping that 41 megapixel bomb on us and then pulling the rug out from underneath the loyal users by saying it's not a Winpho. A-holes. Start delivering and shut the F up.

They should stop raising expectations for upcoming unreleased products and instead surprise and delight consumers with whatever great product they supposedly have in the works once they're actually ready to ship it.

An iPhone killer? They are very funny.

The iPhone is not just a device, it's an ecosystem. And until they can figure out what it means, they should focus on building good phones.

Not here to say, that iPhone looks dated or anything.
Just wanted to say that Nokia is already on the right track with N9 and Lumia 900.
These two phones show what Nokia can really do in the design section of a phone.
It'll only get better

Muhammad Farrukh said,
Not here to say, that iPhone looks dated or anything.
Just wanted to say that Nokia is already on the right track with N9 and Lumia 900.
These two phones show what Nokia can really do in the design section of a phone.
It'll only get better

Well they should stop getting better and just be better. Apple did that with their first device. It completely revolutionised the phone industry.

SK[ said,]

Well they should stop getting better and just be better. Apple did that with their first device. It completely revolutionised the phone industry.

The iPhone 1 was a joke.. It _was_ an iPod that could make calls.. wel sortof.. IF you were lucky.

TheCyberKnight said,
An iPhone killer? They are very funny.

The iPhone is not just a device, it's an ecosystem. And until they can figure out what it means, they should focus on building good phones.

Weird, the iPhone is a device to access an App store. It is a more of a 'lock-in' system.

Not so much a real ecosystem though. An ecosystem is interdependent system of 'differing' models that work together to accomplish several goals. You know, something like Windows that integrates millions of hardware technologies with millions of software technologies that support huge corporations and infrastructure down to single PC home users.

This becomes more of a contrast when you factor in the 'device' aspect of Windows technologies that span routers, modems, switches and even cars on to technologies that actually provide content for the 'iPhone' via Microsoft Windows NT Azure technologies.

Calling the iPhone an ecosystem is like calling Barbie an ecosystem, as there are so many accessories for Barbie and ways to play with it.

TheCyberKnight said,
An iPhone killer? They are very funny.

The iPhone is not just a device, it's an ecosystem. And until they can figure out what it means, they should focus on building good phones.


This is indeed true. There's no crazy reality distortion field, it's just that Apple has built a very powerful ecosystem that caters to huge masses of people due to its simplicity. If I write a shopping list on my iPad or Mac, I can then just pick up my phone and leave my apartment. It's already wirelessly synced via iCloud. If I want to tell a friend something via SMS, it's for free due to iMessages. Browsing on iPad and bookmarking something? The bookmarks are now on your Mac. Photographed something? Your girlfriend at home can now see what you shot with your Mac. Watching something on your iPad? You can now see it in HD wirelessly on your Apple TV. Many competitors have all these features, but they're so seamlessly integrated here. An Apple user don't even need to know what a driver is. No third party applications needed. Apple is spending so much time and money on these things, which are easily overlooked on a tech specification sheet.

Apple can release even a mediocre phone and it'll still sell well. And when their phones are even pretty good, well, that's when we start seeing the crazy numbers that we do today. The ecosystem is indeed everything here. It's the foundation of Apple's success. Not the hardware. Although they're good on that too.

Edited by Northgrove, Mar 21 2012, 11:10am :

Even the hardcore iphone haters CAN NEVER say that iphone is a poorly designed device. He must have been really really drunk while making such a stupid statement!

Mohitster said,
Even the hardcore iphone haters CAN NEVER say that iphone is a poorly designed device. He must have been really really drunk while making such a stupid statement!

u mad bro

Mohitster said,
Even the hardcore iphone haters CAN NEVER say that iphone is a poorly designed device. He must have been really really drunk while making such a stupid statement!
Ah, so the "you're holding it wrong," statement was true rather than there being design flaws?

satukoro said,
Ah, so the "you're holding it wrong," statement was true rather than there being design flaws?

I was talking about the visual design and not the technical design!

satukoro said,
Ah, so the "you're holding it wrong," statement was true rather than there being design flaws?

I was talking about the visual design and not the technical design!

Mohitster said,
Even the hardcore iphone haters CAN NEVER say that iphone is a poorly designed device. He must have been really really drunk while making such a stupid statement!


Ya it isn't like Nokia has been making phone hardware for 20 years to have an informed opinion.

Mohitster said,

I was talking about the visual design and not the technical design!

They're both kind of part of it... There's no sense in designing something that looks good but doesn't function well... :-\

M_Lyons10 said,

They're both kind of part of it... There's no sense in designing something that looks good but doesn't function well... :-\

Yes, I absolutely agree. But I would leave it at this. Discussion is drifiting on to something which was not the original point I was trying to make.

Emil Valsson said,
Yeah well, the joke's on me I guess. I've should have known better than buying something with Microsoft software inside.

Troll fail comment. And you know that.

Lumia sucks, I've had nothing but problems with it since I bought it for my gf. Battery life is a joke and the time & date keeps changing randomly byitself.

Emil Valsson said,
Lumia sucks, I've had nothing but problems with it since I bought it for my gf. Battery life is a joke and the time & date keeps changing randomly byitself.

I guess your girlfriend's just unlucky. I'm getting tired of mine telling me how much she loves her Lumia 800

Emil Valsson said,
Lumia sucks, I've had nothing but problems with it since I bought it for my gf. Battery life is a joke and the time & date keeps changing randomly byitself.

And...? Sounds like you got a serious problem. /s

Lucas said,

And...? Sounds like you got a serious problem. /s
the phone can't keep time and you think that's not a serious problem????

Rudy said,
the phone can't keep time and you think that's not a serious problem????
There's always a chance you get a lemon. Why didn't you return it for a new one? My gut feeling is that would solve your time problem better than complaining on an internet forum.

greenwizard88 said,
There's always a chance you get a lemon. Why didn't you return it for a new one? My gut feeling is that would solve your time problem better than complaining on an internet forum.

If you check Nokia forums there are a lot of people complaining about short battery life and the phone suddendly freezing and after few minutes rebooting......

Before the Lumia 800 I had a HD7 and I can state that Nokia screen is way better than the HD7 but........... the battery life is worse, in spite of the HD7 larger screen; the software is buggy: I never had a hung on the HD7, on the Nokia the freezing and rebooting happens at least once a day.
Note that I am not " complaining", just posting about my experience with the Lumia.

Fritzly said,

If you check Nokia forums there are a lot of people complaining about short battery life and the phone suddendly freezing and after few minutes rebooting......

Before the Lumia 800 I had a HD7 and I can state that Nokia screen is way better than the HD7 but........... the battery life is worse, in spite of the HD7 larger screen; the software is buggy: I never had a hung on the HD7, on the Nokia the freezing and rebooting happens at least once a day.
Note that I am not " complaining", just posting about my experience with the Lumia.

You are an idiot, Nokia released update which tripled the battery life and fixed the issue

Dunno.. I think on average 30 hours of heavy everyday use including WiFi and 3G full on, music, multiple apps and active use..

Can't say I am experiencing bad battery life.. And the forums will always be a collection of complaints. It's not like the phone drps call because 'you are holding it wrong'

FoxieFoxie said,

You are an idiot, Nokia released update which tripled the battery life and fixed the issue

Your reply shows exactly what you are: a minus habens..........
Although it is an almost impossible task, let me try to enlighten you:

The upgrade you are referring to, 1600.2487.8107.12070, has been released in Singapore and other few Countries only; when I will receive it for my SIM Free Lumia 800 I will verify if the issues are fixed; until then I will have to deal with the issues affecting it; again issues I never experienced with my HD7.

Fritzly said,

Your reply shows exactly what you are: a minus habens..........
Although it is an almost impossible task, let me try to enlighten you:

The upgrade you are referring to, 1600.2487.8107.12070, has been released in Singapore and other few Countries only; when I will receive it for my SIM Free Lumia 800 I will verify if the issues are fixed; until then I will have to deal with the issues affecting it; again issues I never experienced with my HD7.


My Lumia 800 came with 8107 already installed.

FoxieFoxie said,

You are an idiot, Nokia released update which tripled the battery life and fixed the issue

I don't really keep track of Nokia but if you can release a software update that "triples" your battery life there's REALLY something wrong with the phone

Rudy said,
I don't really keep track of Nokia but if you can release a software update that "triples" your battery life there's REALLY something wrong with the phone

Yeah, it was inaccurately reporting battery life or something. I don't really remember the story. In any event, for those affected, I hope the fix rolls out soon.

Fritzly said,

Your reply shows exactly what you are: a minus habens..........
Although it is an almost impossible task, let me try to enlighten you:

The upgrade you are referring to, 1600.2487.8107.12070, has been released in Singapore and other few Countries only;


You're a bit outdated on your facts.. the 12070 update is available in NL, UK, US, CAN (according to reports online form ppl receiving it through Zune) and more right now. should be fully done by the end of next month (as it was announced to take about 6 weeks worldwide).

paulheu said,

You're a bit outdated on your facts.. the 12070 update is available in NL, UK, US, CAN (according to reports online form ppl receiving it through Zune) and more right now. should be fully done by the end of next month (as it was announced to take about 6 weeks worldwide).

Hardly mw; maybe my Lumia...............
Besides the Lumia is not available in the US................yet...................................

Oh Nokia please, don't do this.

It's going to be so embarrassing when you release a complete pile of badly designed crap. You know it is.

Mark Thomas said,
Oh Nokia please, don't do this.

It's going to be so embarrassing when you release a complete pile of badly designed crap. You know it is.


Hmm, I dunno... I think Nokia is on a roll lately with the Lumia series! And I'm saying that as an iPhone user. Some mighty refreshing phones there!

Mark Thomas said,
Oh Nokia please, don't do this.

It's going to be so embarrassing when you release a complete pile of badly designed crap. You know it is.

Yeah, because Nokia has such a reputation of releasing poor quality...

Sounds like they other announcement about a device that would change the mobile world, and turn out to be a cheaper wp7.

AnarKhy said,
Sounds like they other announcement about a device that would change the mobile world, and turn out to be a cheaper wp7.

Though I understand that most people on here wouldn't have an interest in a low end device, that was a big announcement for the global markets and first smartphones for some people...

Nokia and Microsoft are making it really hard for me to upgrade. Every time I think I might be ready to buy a phone they announce/hint at something better.

jakem1 said,
Nokia and Microsoft are making it really hard for me to upgrade. Every time I think I might be ready to buy a phone they announce/hint at something better.


Yeah, but I think they struck a pretty damn good design with the Lumia 800/900 chassis. A year down the line, these phones are still going to be striking and elegant.

jakem1 said,
Nokia and Microsoft are making it really hard for me to upgrade. Every time I think I might be ready to buy a phone they announce/hint at something better.

Like every companies. Just grab a lumia today, you'll get WP8

jakem1 said,
Nokia and Microsoft are making it really hard for me to upgrade. Every time I think I might be ready to buy a phone they announce/hint at something better.


Welcome to the IT world, Order online today, obsolete when you open the box NBD

brent3000 said,

Welcome to the IT world, Order online today, obsolete when you open the box NBD

Yep. I am figuring on a 2 year upgrade cycle, so I shouldn't have a phone that's too old at any time. Then I can upgrade to Windows Phone 8 devices or whatever...

Relativity_17 said,

Yeah, but I think they struck a pretty damn good design with the Lumia 800/900 chassis. A year down the line, these phones are still going to be striking and elegant.

I agree. I don't know how they would improve upon it.

I just hope Nokia continues to be a player in the mobile game. This kind of competition is great for everyone in the end.

It really is. I can't wait to see what they come out with. I'm on the fence with Windows Phone at the moment. Going to try and hold onto my iPhone 4 for 1 more year because it is still in great condition and I want to re-consider my cellular service in Summer 2013 (when my soon to be wife will be getting out of contract with Sprint).

A lot is riding on what MS does. Not interested in Android. Glad there is a viable alternative to iPhone coming out.

That would be killer.. the N9 Swipe UI interface is so ahum.. Wait for it.. 'Fast and FLuid'

And I am not joking there.. If anything it embodies everything MS is trying to sell W8 on so it would make perfect sense..

Sacha said,
I'm guessing they are using N9's swipe UI in WP8?

I hope not. I would really prefer they not customize the OS that much. I like Windows Phone as it is.

sam232 said,
Funny, I thought the Lumia 800/900 already made the iphone look dated.

"Nokia working on revolutionary new phone, says iphone is dated" is title. So yes, already outdated. Working on something revolutionary to make it look even more dated!

Sacha said,

"Nokia working on revolutionary new phone, says iphone is dated" is title. So yes, already outdated. Working on something revolutionary to make it look even more dated!


Nokia Lumia 1000 - making your iPhone look like a typewriter!

sam232 said,
Funny, I thought the Lumia 800/900 already made the iphone look dated.

I agree, though to each their own. I LOVE the look of the Lumia line though. I hope to get a Windows Phone 8 Nokia device on Verizon when it comes out.

Stetson said,
Huh. Well I guess Apple better start working on their next gen hardware and software now.

Haha! Just what I was thinking, assuming you posted that with sarcasm.

Pretty sure Apple IS already working on their next gen hardware, and indeed want their next phone to be an "iPhone 4S killer". Who in their right mind here don't intend their next phone to be best? Those don't earn to be in the business...

It's just marketing by Nokia, trying to ramp up hype for their products. Not saying that's bad or anything though. They all do it. And I'm curious about what's next from Nokia. Lumia 800 was very interesting!

Northgrove said,

Haha! Just what I was thinking, assuming you posted that with sarcasm.

Pretty sure Apple IS already working on their next gen hardware, and indeed want their next phone to be an "iPhone 4S killer". Who in their right mind here don't intend their next phone to be best? Those don't earn to be in the business...

It's just marketing by Nokia, trying to ramp up hype for their products. Not saying that's bad or anything though. They all do it. And I'm curious about what's next from Nokia. Lumia 800 was very interesting!

Yeah, Apple's revisions are generally rather minor. I'm sure that Nokia is planning to attempt to release a [current generation at time of release] iPhone killer... lol

Look forward to seeing what they come up with. The Lumia is already ahead of the iphone in terms of design imo so it will be interesting to see what they define as breakthrough technology.

the better twin said,
Look forward to seeing what they come up with. The Lumia is already ahead of the iphone in terms of design imo so it will be interesting to see what they define as breakthrough technology.

Agreed. It's quite the statement. I hope it lives up to the hype...

“the road from the kitchen into the dining room is always through the front door.”

No clue what that means lol. Bad translation?

Cyborg_X said,
“the road from the kitchen into the dining room is always through the front door.”

No clue what that means lol. Bad translation?

Iphone design is too complicated , its like holding ur ear with other hand round ur head, smthng lke that...

It's the literal translation.

I don't think there's an equivalent phrase in English that would apply here. In short, it refers to a bad house design.

he is referring to the fact that you have to go to the home-screen/home-button to get back to any other app... which i agree with by the way.

Cyborg_X said,
“the road from the kitchen into the dining room is always through the front door.”

No clue what that means lol. Bad translation?

grga said,
he is referring to the fact that you have to go to the home-screen/home-button to get back to any other app... which i agree with by the way.

That's how I read it too and I think it describes the iphone perfectly.

Cyborg_X said,
“the road from the kitchen into the dining room is always through the front door.”

No clue what that means lol. Bad translation?

Just means you have to always go the same route to get to each place and there are far more efficient ways to do it.

laserfloyd said,

Just means you have to always go the same route to get to each place and there are far more efficient ways to do it.

Name one.

Depicus said,

Name one.

Well, in WP7 you can either use the back button or home button to access applications.

In Meego, you just need to flip right or left to access other applications or the home screen

Depicus said,
Name one.
This is a theoretical example:

Viewing a photo in a photo app. Desiring to share it on Twitter. Having to exit the photo app, and then open the Twitter app to do so, rather than doing it directly from the photo app.

Kirkburn said,
This is a theoretical example:

Viewing a photo in a photo app. Desiring to share it on Twitter. Having to exit the photo app, and then open the Twitter app to do so, rather than doing it directly from the photo app.

The iOS photo app allows you to post photos to twitter directly from the photo app.

Rosyna said,

The iOS photo app allows you to post photos to twitter directly from the photo app.


and only to twitter. Windows phone allows facebook, windows live, linkedin, etc. Not to mention, when in the photo hub, relevant applications are shown in the apps pivot of the hub, same with music. Also with app connect you can go directly to relevant apps from an internet search. There are more doors and "windows" *chuckle* with windows phone 7. with iOS it's just the home button, then new thing.

Rosyna said,
The iOS photo app allows you to post photos to twitter directly from the photo app.

Like I said, theoretical. iOS is based on apps, and this is generally a specific issue with app-centric methods - it requires apps to do all the support. I'm not saying that means it's 'wrong', but it is a drawback.

grga said,
he is referring to the fact that you have to go to the home-screen/home-button to get back to any other app... which i agree with by the way.

I agree, too. Like, I have to always Double-Press the Home Button just to see the Task Bar of actively-running apps.

grga said,
he is referring to the fact that you have to go to the home-screen/home-button to get back to any other app... which i agree with by the way.

That's how I read that too. It really isn't an ideal design...

M_Lyons10 said,

That's how I read that too. It really isn't an ideal design...

I don't understand that there are many other methods of achieving app switching unless you have an "always there" taskbar like in Windows, which isn't practical on a phone. I have multitasked on the ipad and iphone quite a lot now and find no issue with double clicking the home button clicking relevant app and then I'm where I want to be. I can also transition straight to an IM app by tapping the notification at the top as a message is received. The only other methods I can imagine used in multitasking is perhaps a gesture of swiping the finger up from the bottom (similar to how you access the notification area by swiping down from the top), however this method is still not miles away from clicking or double clicking the home button.

One thing I really dislike is that iOS doesn't close apps when you've finished with them. It leaves them in the appswitcher tray (whatever it's called) and you must make an active effort to close it. I like the way Windows 8 allows to close Metro apps by dragging from the top and throwing it away at the bottom.

On the whole though, these are minor niggles but I'd be very excited to see what Nokia can come up with!

Rosyna said,

The iOS photo app allows you to post photos to twitter directly from the photo app.

But on Windows Phone I can sahe a single to Facebook, LinkedIn and Twitter at the same time.