Nokia working on revolutionary new phone, says iPhone is ‘dated'

It has been some time since we have heard the term “iPhone Killer” but it looks like Nokia is throwing around a similar idea, as it claims it has a revolutionary product in the works that will make other smartphones seem dated.  

The strong words come from a Nokia executive, who spoke with Finnish newspaper Kauppalehti (via BGR). Ahtisaari Optiossa held nothing back in his commentary, saying that the iPhone is “poorly designed” and that “the road from the kitchen into the dining room is always through the front door.”

Little was revealed about the upcoming handset but Ahtisarri was raising expectations at every turn, suggesting that the device will apparently have a breakthrough technology that will revolutionize the user experience. These are words that are not used lightly within the industry and time will be the true test to see if the new product changes the smartphone market.

While little was revealed about the upcoming device, Ahtisarri was clearly making bold predictions about its success and has high hopes that it will change the way interact with our phones. While we don’t know when the device will break cover, we can only hope that it will come soon to help continue the growth of Windows Phone

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M_Lyons10 said,

They're both kind of part of it... There's no sense in designing something that looks good but doesn't function well... :-\

Yes, I absolutely agree. But I would leave it at this. Discussion is drifiting on to something which was not the original point I was trying to make.

An iPhone killer? They are very funny.

The iPhone is not just a device, it's an ecosystem. And until they can figure out what it means, they should focus on building good phones.

Not here to say, that iPhone looks dated or anything.
Just wanted to say that Nokia is already on the right track with N9 and Lumia 900.
These two phones show what Nokia can really do in the design section of a phone.
It'll only get better

Muhammad Farrukh said,
Not here to say, that iPhone looks dated or anything.
Just wanted to say that Nokia is already on the right track with N9 and Lumia 900.
These two phones show what Nokia can really do in the design section of a phone.
It'll only get better

Well they should stop getting better and just be better. Apple did that with their first device. It completely revolutionised the phone industry.

SK[ said,]

Well they should stop getting better and just be better. Apple did that with their first device. It completely revolutionised the phone industry.

The iPhone 1 was a joke.. It _was_ an iPod that could make calls.. wel sortof.. IF you were lucky.

TheCyberKnight said,
An iPhone killer? They are very funny.

The iPhone is not just a device, it's an ecosystem. And until they can figure out what it means, they should focus on building good phones.

Weird, the iPhone is a device to access an App store. It is a more of a 'lock-in' system.

Not so much a real ecosystem though. An ecosystem is interdependent system of 'differing' models that work together to accomplish several goals. You know, something like Windows that integrates millions of hardware technologies with millions of software technologies that support huge corporations and infrastructure down to single PC home users.

This becomes more of a contrast when you factor in the 'device' aspect of Windows technologies that span routers, modems, switches and even cars on to technologies that actually provide content for the 'iPhone' via Microsoft Windows NT Azure technologies.

Calling the iPhone an ecosystem is like calling Barbie an ecosystem, as there are so many accessories for Barbie and ways to play with it.

TheCyberKnight said,
An iPhone killer? They are very funny.

The iPhone is not just a device, it's an ecosystem. And until they can figure out what it means, they should focus on building good phones.


This is indeed true. There's no crazy reality distortion field, it's just that Apple has built a very powerful ecosystem that caters to huge masses of people due to its simplicity. If I write a shopping list on my iPad or Mac, I can then just pick up my phone and leave my apartment. It's already wirelessly synced via iCloud. If I want to tell a friend something via SMS, it's for free due to iMessages. Browsing on iPad and bookmarking something? The bookmarks are now on your Mac. Photographed something? Your girlfriend at home can now see what you shot with your Mac. Watching something on your iPad? You can now see it in HD wirelessly on your Apple TV. Many competitors have all these features, but they're so seamlessly integrated here. An Apple user don't even need to know what a driver is. No third party applications needed. Apple is spending so much time and money on these things, which are easily overlooked on a tech specification sheet.

Apple can release even a mediocre phone and it'll still sell well. And when their phones are even pretty good, well, that's when we start seeing the crazy numbers that we do today. The ecosystem is indeed everything here. It's the foundation of Apple's success. Not the hardware. Although they're good on that too.

Edited by Northgrove, Mar 21 2012, 11:10am :

They should stop raising expectations for upcoming unreleased products and instead surprise and delight consumers with whatever great product they supposedly have in the works once they're actually ready to ship it.

Too much talk and not enough delivery. Thanks for dropping that 41 megapixel bomb on us and then pulling the rug out from underneath the loyal users by saying it's not a Winpho. A-holes. Start delivering and shut the F up.

Nokia were saying things like this about the N8. We waited and we waited - and gave up waiting. And it was a dud when it finally appeared, but by that time many people had succumbed to an iPhone.

And Apple is just sitting about doing nothing.

The new iPhone this summer will probally be a major upgrade with new GUI incorporated into iOS 6.0

The simple interface makes it appealing to the general masses and not just the tech people.

Nexus1974 said,
And Apple is just sitting about doing nothing.

The new iPhone this summer will probally be a major upgrade with new GUI incorporated into iOS 6.0

The simple interface makes it appealing to the general masses and not just the tech people.

Um were you alive in the 80s and 90s and have you seen OS X only slightly evolve from 10.0 to 10.7 in 12 years?

An iMac in 1999 still didn't have a real memory manager or preemptive multi-tasking, and still had 68000 code in the OS that went back to 1984.

So ya, they are on the edge of 'improving' an existing product.

Just like the iPhone has changed SO MUCH since it was released... I mean it now has Stereo Bluetooth and Voice dialing, just like a PocketPC phone did in 2002...

/s

They have had success with taking a product and moving it into a new 'market', like directing a smart-phone at casual consumers, but as for actual 'new' innovation, not so much. There were smart-phones before the iPhone, that had more features than the original iPhone going back to LITERALLY 2002. However, they were marketed to professionals and not every day phone users.

As for a new 'UI'... Again, have you looked at Mac? Have you seen one from 1984? Aside from color and a Dock, they are essentially the same interface design.

OS X today STILL uses a Menu Bar, which is a UI construct from non-graphical interface designs and was used because it was quick and dirty and worked to shove a ton of commands into somewhat organized lists of words.

A Menu is a text based list of words, not so 'graphical' in the least. There were graphical hardware limitations in 1984 that prevented more advanced UI concepts from being used, that even Xerox had tested and moved 'past' the Menu in 1984 by having the luxury of better hardware for research.

Yet with today's computers and graphical capabilities being several 1000 times faster, Macs still use a Menu system.

Do yourself a favor and look up Bill Buxton and some of his presentations on computer interfaces. He actually finds is rather sad a Mac user from 1984 brought to today's world, would work on a modern Mac the same way they did almost 30 years ago.

Apple does have good marketing, and does find a way to sell things to people that normally wouldn't have bought them. However, I am with ya on 'hoping' they revamp the iPhone, but I wouldn't hold my breath on seeing anything too drastic, when stuff from a 1984 Mac UI is still part of both OS X and iOS.

Rosyna said,

Why do you think it won't?

Because a new GUI is a massive undertaking and there's nothing particularly wrong with how iOS works. Same goes for OSX. Both are easy to use and rather intuitive.

Rosyna said,

Why do you think it won't?

I'm with the others on this one. I would be SHOCKED if it had a new UI. It's just not Apple's way. They have built a company around incremental updates to their products and the ideas of others... They are not going to scrap it and try to reinvent the wheel because it would be viewed as "too risky"...

Rosyna said,
Why do you think it won't?
I did not say that. Besides, it's always more likely for improvements than a big overhaul.

thenetavenger said,
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Well said.

Bill Buxton is critical of all UIs today. He is a big proponent of NUI; finding great new interaction models that better fit the task at hand.

My favorite quote from him, is how he refers to the new wait cursor introduced in Vista as, "The spinning toilet bowl of death".

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