Nokia's love affair with Android revealed; it didn't work out

Nokia is all over the news right now, with the company's NFC support being caught on video earlier, and then a photo (and video) leak of a alleged prototype Windows Phone 7 device, allegedly almost the same as the Nokia N9, announced just a few days ago.

Now, Engadget's reporting that another ‚ÄčNokia N9-like device has gotten outside of the company's walls, that not only is slightly surprising, but also kind of confirms the legitimacy of the "on screen buttons" we saw on the Windows Phone 7 prototype earlier today, considering this new set of shots comes from the same XDA-developers forum user.

We're pretty confident these shots are real, and we agree with Engadget that the undersized elements on the screen really do imply that Nokia was just trying out the OS, but hadn't done too much work with it yet.

We do know that Nokia had tried Android in the past, and how that worked out, after Nokia signed a major partnership with Microsoft to distribute Windows Phone 7 on its devices. Engadget points out that Stephen Elop has "openly admitted that Nokia spent a couple of wild seconds contemplating a switch to Android."

Right now, we're glad they didn't, and we're looking forward to seeing where Nokia goes with their Windows Phone 7 partnership later this year.

 

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Nokia have always been the best imo prior to the iPhone. Should be nice to see a decent piece of hardware running a decent OS. Glad they went WP7 too, Android for me is a big disappointment.

You know, its really tiring how android fans cant seem to accept that not everyone wants to make android devices. Also Nokia DID talk to google but didnt feel they were the right choice for them. READ and understand http://www.allaboutsymbian.com..._Elops_keynote_at_Qualc.php, THEY TALKED TO GOOGLE, not just for a minute but did a thorough assessment and they ultimately decided to go with Microsoft for financial (yes) and technical and other reasons. There are benefits for both Nokia and Microsoft in their partnership and this was done with the approval of the Nokia board. Stephen Elop has repeated this many times, why cant you just accept it instead of making insinuations about MS just paying them not to go with android?

efjay said,
You know, its really tiring how android fans cant seem to accept that not everyone wants to make android devices. Also Nokia DID talk to google but didnt feel they were the right choice for them. READ and understand http://www.allaboutsymbian.com..._Elops_keynote_at_Qualc.php, THEY TALKED TO GOOGLE, not just for a minute but did a thorough assessment and they ultimately decided to go with Microsoft for financial (yes) and technical and other reasons. There are benefits for both Nokia and Microsoft in their partnership and this was done with the approval of the Nokia board. Stephen Elop has repeated this many times, why cant you just accept it instead of making insinuations about MS just paying them not to go with android?

Agreed. I don't understand why these Android guys are so defensive. They have the majority of smartphone market share and their OS is on every major carrier and most manufacturers' phones (sans Apple and Nokia, for obvious reasons). Sales reps are actively pushing people toward the OS, despite specifically asking for other OSes.

There really isn't any reason for Android fans to complain right now, unless they subconsciously think Windows Phone is a real threat. I think it is, because I think it is a better product. I think the dual-core, 1GB+ memory, 4.5" "superphones" that are coming out running the Android version of the week are overkill for any phone. The fact that Microsoft is making their OS run faster and faster on lower-end hardware speaks volumes for the real capabilities of the hardware already out there. The GPU acceleration in IE9 Mobile, as well as the general performance improvements in Windows Phone 7 Mango have enabled Microsoft to allow OEMs to go from 1GHz processors to 800MHz. All this will end up making Windows Phones have a better battery life, rather than these Android handsets that require 1500mAh+ batteries just to get 8 hours of run time.

But these guys see things differently. They want the 2GHz dual-core processors with 4.5" screens and everything else in their phones, despite all of the other negative consequences. That's fine, but don't complain when the product you didn't want is doing the same thing with less processing power, less memory, and less battery power.

I honestly have a feeling that the N9 based WP7 with the virtual buttons seen earlier is a ****ty photoshop. I mean, if you look closely at the picture, the grey bar doesn't even match up with the width of the screen. anyways, I really think that Nokia choosing WP7 was a smart Idea, part of the reason nokia was failing so badly in the States was because they were too slow in the R&D department. By Nokia going with an OS that all they have to worry about is their custom apps, and their store, their time to market is going to be much quicker, than if they had gone with android.

Nokia seems to be considered by WP7 fans the....magical iOS/Android killer manufacturer and WP7 market share will rocket.

Frankly it won't happen.

In terms of choice, I would prefer MeeGo much more than WP7.

You are right, I wanted to say "Maemo" OS which was launched on Nokia N900 phone. The phone has done a decent sale much better than Nokia expected.

Ideally Nokia should have give a head to head shot to Meego Vs WP7 Vs Android and should have made a call that gives them a best feel, features and more of a Nokia brand feel. No harm what OS they choose after comparison. They would have felt more confident about the OS they have choose. Fact remains unchanged that Meego has surprised them with its number of sales, more than what they expected.

TusharG said,
Ideally Nokia should have give a head to head shot to Meego Vs WP7 Vs Android and should have made a call that gives them a best feel, features and more of a Nokia brand feel. No harm what OS they choose after comparison. They would have felt more confident about the OS they have choose. Fact remains unchanged that Meego has surprised them with its number of sales, more than what they expected.

I was surprised by the N9 reveal. I actually thought Meego looked pretty awesome. Way better than WP7.

TusharG said,
Ideally Nokia should have give a head to head shot to Meego Vs WP7 Vs Android and should have made a call that gives them a best feel, features and more of a Nokia brand feel. No harm what OS they choose after comparison. They would have felt more confident about the OS they have choose. Fact remains unchanged that Meego has surprised them with its number of sales, more than what they expected.

How can Meego have surprised Nokia with it's number of sales? The N9 we saw earlier this week, which has yet to be released, is their first Meego product

Sraf said,

How can Meego have surprised Nokia with it's number of sales? The N9 we saw earlier this week, which has yet to be released, is their first Meego product

Sraf said,

How can Meego have surprised Nokia with it's number of sales? The N9 we saw earlier this week, which has yet to be released, is their first Meego product

You are right, I wanted to say "Maemo" OS which was launched on Nokia N900 phone. The phone has done a decent sale much better than Nokia expected.

kazuyenPH said,
Android is not really for Nokia... It's like 'love' they are not meant to be.

Android is exactly matched for Nokia, one open source OS replacing another open source Os, with developers not bailing ship.

alexalex said,

Android is exactly matched for Nokia, one open source OS replacing another open source Os, with developers not bailing ship.

And the same rising internal dev costs and lack of support from the OS maker that they had with MeeGo. basically they would replace MeeGo for another OS with the same costs and the same faults.

where's the logic in that.

read up
http://www.businessweek.com/ma...nt/11_24/b4232056703101.htm

I personally think Nokia would've made great Android devices for some reason. Having owned several of their phones (last one the N95 8GB) I always had the feeling that Symbian and the way Nokia used to do things was much closer to the Android family than Windows Phone, which is a great OS as well - to each their own... bashing one OS instead of another is childish in my opinion. I really don't understand what the problem with Android must have been other than maybe the fact that they were suffering financially already and Microsoft stepped in to help in which case the choice of OS has absolutely nothing to do with technical decisions and more with business risks.

Obry said,
I personally think Nokia would've made great Android devices for some reason. Having owned several of their phones (last one the N95 8GB) I always had the feeling that Symbian and the way Nokia used to do things was much closer to the Android family than Windows Phone, which is a great OS as well - to each their own... bashing one OS instead of another is childish in my opinion. I really don't understand what the problem with Android must have been other than maybe the fact that they were suffering financially already and Microsoft stepped in to help in which case the choice of OS has absolutely nothing to do with technical decisions and more with business risks.

I think that with the situation that Nokia is is, both in respect to their marketshare, and financial situation, that it is in there best interest *at the moment* to focus on as few OSes as possible. Right now they are still playing a bit with Symbian, Meego and putting a fair bit of effort into WP7. Adding Android to that mix would further stretch an already stretched organisation and would further doom them to irrelevancy. If Nokia can successfully push WP7, remove Symbian and Meego from their portfolio of actively developed phone OSes, then they will be in a much better position to adopt Android as a compliment to their WP powered devices

neoraptor said,
@Owen - well, I'm not glad, so please correct the sentence to start with "Right now, I'm glad they didn't,...."

By 'we', I imagine he means Neowin, not you and him.

YOU maybe glad they didn't Microsoft shill. Windows Phone 7 maybe the best of what Redmond has served us in the mobile OS, but having choices, is what, US customers, need.

r1ddl3r said,
YOU maybe glad they didn't Microsoft shill. Windows Phone 7 maybe the best of what Redmond has served us in the mobile OS, but having choices, is what, US customers, need.
+1. It's a pity more people don't understand this.

MS Lose32 said,
+1. It's a pity more people don't understand this.

Didn't want to go to iOS so I went to Andriod, then moved to WP7. No regrets its fast and gets the job done. I love that I had that choice.

r1ddl3r said,
YOU maybe glad they didn't Microsoft shill. Windows Phone 7 maybe the best of what Redmond has served us in the mobile OS, but having choices, is what, US customers, need.

Choice is fine, but for competition to be better, Windows Phone has to be much more successful than it is now. Competition would be at its best if Windows Phone was as successful as iPhone or maybe Android.

r1ddl3r said,
YOU maybe glad they didn't Microsoft shill. Windows Phone 7 maybe the best of what Redmond has served us in the mobile OS, but having choices, is what, US customers, need.

The thing is of course, with WP7 Nokia doesn't really need to do any work on the software side themselves. So they have marginal software dev costs, only HArdware dev costs. with Android. the software dev costs would be up there with MeeGo. The OS that was sinking and dragging the whole company down with it. Sure they could do both WP7 and Android. and instead of making money, loose a ton of money instead. and havign to lay of twice as many peopel as they do now and end up with only WP7 and a much smaller Nokia... or they could just go with WP7 and have a strong lineup of solid phones on the market.

the customer still has a choice, there's enough Android OEM's out there for that. it's a saturated and fractured market that they don't want to be part of.

NightSt@lk3r said,
WP7 is just a fad that will fade sooner or later, just like every other attempt Microsoft has made on the mobile market.
.. Like Windows Mobile that was the Mobile OS/device for business people until Blackberry's starting to get good? Seriously, do you think before you speak?

NightSt@lk3r said,
WP7 is just a fad that will fade sooner or later, just like every other attempt Microsoft has made on the mobile market.

Whilst I am a WP7 supporter, it can't be a fad until it is doing well.

NightSt@lk3r said,
WP7 is just a fad that will fade sooner or later, just like every other attempt Microsoft has made on the mobile market.

It certainly is not a fad. It's a great operating system that will attract loyal fans who stay supportive for many years to come (especially if they continue to improve it in the way they are). Windows 8 is even taking inspiration from Windows Phone.

I don't see why Nokia is so big on the news today. Their hardware is meh, and let's not even discuss their software situation. They were mobile pioneers, and now they are turning into another Kodak like company.

tsupersonic said,
I don't see why Nokia is so big on the news today. Their hardware is meh, and let's not even discuss their software situation. They were mobile pioneers, and now they are turning into another Kodak like company.
Agree with the software, but their hardware has always been and continues to be the best in the business. Nokia consistently has the best cameras, supreme signal reception, good build quality (not taking the cheapo phones into account), good battery life and excellent displays. And on top of that: they're just great phones to make a phone call with.

They should have made the switch to WP7 in Q4 of 2010... With the first models only coming out in Q4 of this year, I don't think they stand much chance of regaining some of their former glory.

tsupersonic said,
I don't see why Nokia is so big on the news today. Their hardware is meh, and let's not even discuss their software situation. They were mobile pioneers, and now they are turning into another Kodak like company.

Heh... I wish any of the phones I've had the last few years had the antenna of a cheap old Nokia I had ages ago. That thing could sniff out a signal in places that most other phones can't.

teaumaz said,
Agree with the software, but their hardware has always been and continues to be the best in the business. Nokia consistently has the best cameras, supreme signal reception, good build quality (not taking the cheapo phones into account), good battery life and excellent displays. And on top of that: they're just great phones to make a phone call with.

that ended quite a while ago i'm afraid to inform you.

tsupersonic said,
now they are turning into another Kodak like company.

Come up with your own comparisons, and stop stealing them from other delusional articles.

tsupersonic said,
now they are turning into another Kodak like company.

Come up with your own comparisons, and stop stealing them from other delusional articles.

norseman said,
Another slow OS on dual-core hardware isn't needed. WP7 will be the saving grace of cell phones worldwide.

yeah lets all use old crusty hardware and just make do... wonder why windows 7 didn't have pentium 4 as only supported processor...

Digitalx said,

yeah lets all use old crusty hardware and just make do... wonder why windows 7 didn't have pentium 4 as only supported processor...

i think he is pointing out that some people want a race to effecient hardware not powerful hardware.. most business people need a phone to last 12 hours under fairly heavy use without needing a large battery.

norseman said,
Another slow OS on dual-core hardware isn't needed. WP7 will be the saving grace of cell phones worldwide.
Hurray!

Digitalx said,

yeah lets all use old crusty hardware and just make do... wonder why windows 7 didn't have pentium 4 as only supported processor...

You completely missed his point. He's referring to the fact that WP7 runs faster and more efficiently on a 2 year old Snapdragon processor than Android does on the latest dual-core processors. It has nothing to do with hardware innovation or lack of it.

MindTrickz said,
We are glad they didn't? Why not? What is the harm in Nokia releasing both Android and WP7 mobile phones?
I'm with Owen. Let's see them focus on the hardware, and MS focus on the software.

MindTrickz said,
We are glad they didn't? Why not? What is the harm in Nokia releasing both Android and WP7 mobile phones?

I'm not glad they did, would love one of the phones running Android...

Alastyr said,

I'm not glad they did, would love one of the phones running Android...

Why there are 50,000 other android phones out there. HTC and Samsung have some good devices.

MindTrickz said,
We are glad they didn't? Why not? What is the harm in Nokia releasing both Android and WP7 mobile phones?

+1

Gaffney said,

Why there are 50,000 other android phones out there. HTC and Samsung have some good devices.

+1

Gaffney said,

Why there are 50,000 other android phones out there. HTC and Samsung have some good devices.

Because HTC and Samsung arent Nokia

MindTrickz said,
We are glad they didn't? Why not? What is the harm in Nokia releasing both Android and WP7 mobile phones?

The harm is: Windows Phone wouldn't be as successful as it will be when Nokia release only smartphones containing that operating system. The consumer would be harmed because in order for the consumer to benefit as much as possible, Windows Phone has to be at least as successful as iPhone or Android (for competition to be at its best). The consumer would benefit the most if Windows Phone was the most popular operating system, but if iPhone and Android were still somewhat successful.

Edited by Calum, Jun 24 2011, 7:33pm :