Notch slams Windows 8 yet again, won't certify Minecraft

Video game developer Markus "Notch" Persson, best known as the creator of Minecraft, has made no secret of his displeasure about Windows 8. In August, the indie developer said the operating system could be "very, very bad" for independent developers. Today he took an even more solid stance.

In a post on his Twitter account, Notch states Microsoft asked him to certify Minecraft for Windows 8. His response was less than enthusiast, as he tweeted:

Notch then followed that tweet by saying he'd rather not have the game on Windows 8 at all and that he hopes consumers won't switch to the new platform.

Notch is one of many game developers to voice opposition to Windows 8. Most notably, Gabe Newell, Valve's co-founder and managing director, has made multiple harsh statements regarding Microsoft's upcoming operating system.

Newell called Windows 8 a "catastrophe" earlier this year, and Rob Prado, an executive vice president at Blizzard, followed those remarks by saying Windows 8 is "not awesome" for his company, either.

Blizzard backpedaled from those statements a few days ago, with a senior software engineer at the company saying Blizzard has "no particular fear" about Windows 8. Newell, however, hasn't backed down from his statements; last month he said he believes Windows 8 will make consumers "rage quit computing."

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I respect him a great deal for not bowing to pressure... He stands for what he believes it and refuses to give him! Great man!

I wish more developers would jump on the "hate Win8 train" so Microsoft could just move along to the next version. Following the Windows trend, it will be a success.

I'm running Windows 8. As a gaming platform, I'm indifferent other than the drivers that come with it being really buggy for games.

But the Start screen is an abomination of bad design coupled with even worse execution. In about a month, when regular people start getting Windows 8, it's going to hit the fan.

Windows 8 is better and faster than Windows 7 in every way possible. Why can't he just get his app approved so the users can benefit. This Notch guy sounds like an egotistical douche.

Notch has some weird personal vendetta against Microsoft. I can't figure it out, but this is a guy who drops swipes at them in completely unrelated discussions. He contributed nothing substantial to any of the panels he attended at PAX Prime this year, and seemed to squirm a little with delight every time he had a chance to knock Redmond.

He's a weird guy, and he reminds me a lot of what would happen if you put a mic in front of any random herp derp forum lurker.

So Microsoft is doing to software what it has done to drivers for a decade... I don't see a huge problem, but "Microsoft Certified" will NOT be on my list of needs for software.

SpyderCanopus said,
So Microsoft is doing to software what it has done to drivers for a decade... I don't see a huge problem, but "Microsoft Certified" will NOT be on my list of needs for software.

Honestly, the terms of certification are universally wins for consumers. That Notch would somehow side with "freedom" from requiring software to be cleanly uninstallable essentially puts him in the same camp as McAfee, Norton, and other crap pre-installware users can never fully shed.

Someone really needs to remind this people that the Windows Marketplace is an addition to the platform, not a replacement. If they still want to distribute games via installers and their website, fine. If they want to dive into the marketplace, they can.

Why do people always bitch about added features?

The whole thing is about Metro apps. Metro apps will only be able to be installed through the Windows Store. You can't release a metro app installer on their website. Microsoft takes a 30% cut (20% after the first $25,000) of all profits.

This guy is an idiot if you ask me and is acting like a little kid. Never played his stupid game but he can keep it. Port it to MS-DOS and just forget about Windows altogether. Smart people would want their successful app/game running on the successful and most widely used platforms. If he thinks his childish behavior will make anyone decide to not use Windows 8 he needs help. I assume this game isn't available on iOS either?

Obry said,
This guy is an idiot if you ask me and is acting like a little kid. Never played his stupid game but he can keep it. Port it to MS-DOS and just forget about Windows altogether. Smart people would want their successful app/game running on the successful and most widely used platforms. If he thinks his childish behavior will make anyone decide to not use Windows 8 he needs help. I assume this game isn't available on iOS either?

You're a special kind of stupid, hu? This is not TMZ... it's a tech website.

Minecraft is available on PC (Win, Mac, *Nix), iOS, and xbox 360. Java will continue to run fine in Win8 and so will Minecraft.

Wow... What an idiot...

I'd rather have minecraft not run on win 8 at all than to play along. Maybe we can convince a few people not to switch to win 8 that way

He could also crap in one hand and wish in the other, and see what he gets.


The insane side of this... Microsoft has promoted Minecraft on Xbox for free several times.

Yet this idiot 'believes' he knows better than Microsoft, really? Microsoft has enough doctorates in an average meeting than this guy could hope to have in 20 lifetimes. But he is the expert on OSes? Wow, talk about Ego...

Also his entire argument about Windows 8 no longer being an 'open platform' is serious mental illness or a lack of understanding. If you really don't like the Metro start screen, replace the freaking shell with one that look like Windows 7. Windows is still JUST AS OPEN as it always has been.

Minecraft... Deleted.

Markus, good luck with supporting the past and the few idiots that are as clueless as you are.

thenetavenger said,

Wow... What an idiot... Yet this idiot 'believes' he knows better than Microsoft, really? Microsoft has enough doctorates in an average meeting than this guy could hope to have in 20 lifetimes. But he is the expert on OSes?

Since when do degrees make you an intelligent person?

thenetavenger said,

Also his entire argument about Windows 8 no longer being an 'open platform' is serious mental illness or a lack of understanding. If you really don't like the Metro start screen, replace the freaking shell with one that look like Windows 7. Windows is still JUST AS OPEN as it always has been.

Metro apps can only be installed through the Marketplace. Microsoft takes a cut of the profits and provides nothing of value.

What a moron.
But hey, every developer has a right to develop their game for or in this case, not for certain platforms. However you only make yourself look like an idiot, considering you are actively against Windows 8. I'm not for or against it, I've seen screenshots, that's it.

Microsoft have put a lot of money into Windows 8 and I suspect it'll end up being like XP. Remember what the folks said about that upon first release? And now look at how many people are hanging on to it...

smooth3006 said,
that's because w8 sucks and is not a worthy upgrade from w7. people need to stop being soo blind about this.

OS Engineers like myself are just so blinded because we do not understand OS technology like you do, OBVIOUSLY.

Really?

thenetavenger said,

OS Engineers like myself are just so blinded because we do not understand OS technology like you do, OBVIOUSLY.

Really?

Wow. Terrible argument and putting words in his mouth. You're bad at this.

nub said,

Wow. Terrible argument and putting words in his mouth. You're bad at this.

Lol, look who has the terrible argument here.

Good, if I got to choose between minecraft and Windows 8 the choice is dead easy. At least real games do run on Windows 8, games like La Noire, GTAIv, JC2, Maffia II, Sleeping Dogs and MP3.

Those are some horrible games. None the less, Minecraft will continue to run on Win8 just fine.

Edited by nub, Sep 27 2012, 7:12pm :

I'm still unsure of the hate developers have against Windows 8.

Are Microsoft the only company not allowed to have an app store ?

You can still have non metro software in the Windows Store, as it will just link to the website but still be there for all to see in the store like every other Metro/Non Metro App. I imagine that is what MS are looking for with Minecraft, simple certification.

On the other end, how on earth are people looking forward to Steam as it goes into non games software. You are at the mercy of the Steam client and Valve. Windows 8 is almost heaven compared to that, even RT.

"Got an email from microsoft, wanting to help "certify" minecraft for win 8. I told them to stop trying to ruin the pc as an open platform."

What a little bitch!

dude this guy is going to eat crow when windows 8 skyrockets in usage share since it will be in every PC shipped over the next 3 years.

Oh, darn, he won't certify his ****ty game for Windows 8. Too bad it will continue to run on Windows 8 just fine, regardless.

Azies said,
Oh wow, so many ignorant comments from Neowin it's mind boggling.

I think you started reading from the bottom, try starting from the top.

Apple puts out ios6 with lame new features and a mediocre maps app goes full monopolistic, everybody praises apple and upgrades to ios6 devs fully embrace ios6 everybody buys new iphone
Microsoft puts out new innovative interface with unique features and runs apps but still has the old desktop ui for those who prefer it works well in your current windows 7 pc it will come in tablets too runs old software too, everybody bitches and complains that its the end of pc devs turn into *******s

Get over yourselves people, seriously

he is totally right. I agree with him on this one.

windows 8 as platform is designed to destroy independent developers.

ThePitt said,
he is totally right. I agree with him on this one.

windows 8 as platform is designed to destroy independent developers.

So there are no independent developers working with iOS?

ThePitt said,
he is totally right. I agree with him on this one.

windows 8 as platform is designed to destroy independent developers.

If your tinfoil hat is hooked up to 110v AC, then you are right.

However, for people in the real world, Windows 8 actually 'increases' options for independent developers.

ThePitt said,
he is totally right. I agree with him on this one.

windows 8 as platform is designed to destroy independent developers.

No he is just greedy! It will only help independent Devs. It will hurt people like him that have a marketing budget and brand awareness.

The windows 8 App Store is just like Ebay. Do big brands/companies with large marketing budgest need ebay? No of course Best Buy/Walmart/etc. do not need ebay. What about if you, me or my mom wanted to sell something online? How is she supposed to so this without a service like ebay? Should she try to hire someone to build a website for her and then pay someone to market that just to sell something online? No of course not that is ludicris. The cost of that would probably make it un-economical to even attempt to sell the item.

She should just pay a small fee and use ebay. Of course Big Businesses like walmart/Best Buy/etc. don't like ebay because it cuts into their profits because people undercut their prices.

The same is true with the Windows 8 App store. Independent Devs do not have money for marketing. MS is handling that for us with the Win 8 App Store and we only pay when the marketing actually is successful (on every sale). Notch doesn't like this because it allows indie devs to compete easier with more established brands like Minecraft.

This only hurts bigger devs/brands because they have to pay for awareness/exposure that they already have. It is funny that some people are so clue-less they just follow whatever is told to them instead of thinking things through.

I think this sort of thing is going to backfire on the devs. Change happens, it's technology and it's inevitable. I do understand some of his concerns, but he's being very hypocritical when you consider Minecraft is already in iOS and Xbox. This just makes them sound out of touch with the industry and where things are heading. Sure Windows 8 is new and different, but when people find out that you can run Minecraft still, (on the traditional Windows 8...which is really Windows 7 plus more) they're going to wonder what the fuss was about.

Also, a lot of people seem to forget that Windows 8 on ARM is not called Windows 8...it's called Windows RT. So we should probably all get that part right, even Notch. The closed platform thing would really on apply to WindowsRT...which in comparison is on par (somewhat) with iOS/Android...other "closed systems".

Anyway, at the end of the day Mojang brought over the port for Xbox, and I'm sure they can make it happen in Windows 8/RT.

if this really was about only supporting open platforms, then he wouldnt have made it for ios,xbox,etc... this makes him looks like such a ****in moron.

really, nobody is going to not install windows 8 because minecraft isnt certified. you have to be so delusional to think your little game is bigger than the windows platform.

vcfan said,
if this really was about only supporting open platforms, then he wouldnt have made it for ios,xbox,etc... this makes him looks like such a ****in moron.

really, nobody is going to not install windows 8 because minecraft isnt certified. you have to be so delusional to think your little game is bigger than the windows platform.

never heard of minecraft. i wonder why there is such articles here. Lets say Jim developer of a game called Fight-o-Matic and he is not going to port that to windows 8 so Microsoft is ****ed off and so do all users. oh my god...... The big game engines such as Unity and Unreal are supported so other developer will develop better games no need for your game mr Notch.

Windows 8 will never be around long enough to have an impact, its just another ME or VISTA, or a mistake as I call it. NIX based OS' will become even more popular than they are already.

The concern here is MS is steering towards lockout of all non MS approved apps, the indie devs loose out in that model.

Then again my opinion maybe based on a certain demographic, the one that matters maybe.

Yazoo said,
Windows 8 will never be around long enough to have an impact, its just another ME or VISTA, or a mistake as I call it. NIX based OS' will become even more popular than they are already.

The concern here is MS is steering towards lockout of all non MS approved apps, the indie devs loose out in that model.

Then again my opinion maybe based on a certain demographic, the one that matters maybe.


Oh, so THIS is the year when Linux will be BIG...or ? But hey, we really don't need Minecraft - it's just a game :-)

Yazoo said,
Windows 8 will never be around long enough to have an impact, its just another ME or VISTA, or a mistake as I call it.
Vista was not a mistake, Vista was necessary to ditch the nightmares of WinXP and older. The changes under the hood were for the better and benefitted everyone. Win8 will be similar to Vista only in that it brings a necessary change to the environment that will get better in later releases.

I will get it for my tablet and I'm still on the fence for my desktop, but I accept the fact that change is required and common experience across multiple form factors and environments is where we are headed.

Yazoo said,
NIX based OS' will become even more popular than they are already.
Is this another of those "breakout years" for *nix?

Edited by zeke009, Sep 27 2012, 4:07pm :

Yazoo said,
Windows 8 will never be around long enough to have an impact, its just another ME or VISTA, or a mistake as I call it. NIX based OS' will become even more popular than they are already.

The concern here is MS is steering towards lockout of all non MS approved apps, the indie devs loose out in that model.

Then again my opinion maybe based on a certain demographic, the one that matters maybe.

Yet just last month OsX (all versions combined) was finally able to surpass Vista's marketshare ! Three years after Windows 7 was released and 6 years after Vista's release.

Of course the Vista bashing still continues, it is not based on facts but on some strange desire to believe in the Vista anti bandwagon. It says more about the one bashing than about Vista which truely was a rock solid operating systems.

Yazoo said,
Windows 8 will never be around long enough to have an impact, its just another ME or VISTA, or a mistake as I call it. NIX based OS' will become even more popular than they are already.

The concern here is MS is steering towards lockout of all non MS approved apps, the indie devs loose out in that model.

Then again my opinion maybe based on a certain demographic, the one that matters maybe.

Demographic or IQ range?

Yazoo said,
Windows 8 will never be around long enough to have an impact, its just another ME or VISTA, or a mistake as I call it. NIX based OS' will become even more popular than they are already.

The concern here is MS is steering towards lockout of all non MS approved apps, the indie devs loose out in that model.

Then again my opinion maybe based on a certain demographic, the one that matters maybe.

No the Indie dev wins with Windows 8. The larger players lose out. What independent developer has the money for a marketing budget? If you have that kind of money you probably aren't a small time developer. How is an independent developer supposed to gain an audience without marketing?

Windows 8 App Store handles the marketing with a 30/20 percent fee. And again this only comes out of sales. So essentially you are only paying for marketing if it is successful. This is a great model for indie devs because we don't need to worry about securing money for marketing and about the risk that the marketing may be ineffective. We only pay for success.

The only people this hurts are those that can do their own marketing and have large brands already. People like Blizzard/Valve/Minecraft because if they choose to make a Metro App they have to pay the 20/30 percent fee but they really don't need the extra exposure. Of course they could just choose to ignore Metro Apps and continue to focus on the Desktop.

This will make small devs more competitive with the big time devs. Obviously there have been a lot of success stories that would not have been possible without the app stores on Android/iOS/etc.

S3P€hR said,
What the hell is minecraft anyway? never heard of it. anyone?

I fairly sure in saying this, it's the biggest indie game ever.

thealexweb said,

I fairly sure in saying this, it's the biggest indie game ever.


i am pretty sure with all those big game engine support in Windows 8 someone else develop a similar yet better game and then he would have been ****ed off.

I suggest everyone who disagrees with his view send him a gentil message on Twitter. Hopefully he will realize that his message doesn't drive people away from Windows 8, but, rather, dirves people away from Minecraft. Send him an @reply if you disagree. Power to the people. He will listen if enough of his customers speaks up.

Here are my two @replies:

1) @notch I love Windows 8, but lack of Minecraft support have lost you a customer. Your convinced me to not get Minecraft for the PC. #Win8

2) @notch funny how you make minecraft for iOS & Xbox, one of the most closed platforms; yet you complain about Windows 8? Hypacritical?

Javik said,
It takes a forum full of Microsoft shills to see a developer getting shafted and still blame him for it.

Not interested in the blame game, but I am interested (serious about that) in the argument. How is he getting shafted? Please explain. I just want to know the facts.

Javik said,
It takes a forum full of Microsoft shills to see a developer getting shafted and still blame him for it.

No, unlike you, we just have the intelligence to realise that he's not getting shafted.

The desktop is still open and Minecraft runs great on it. Meanwhile the Metro UI offers another opportunity for developers to reach an even wider audience and make more money. Also, this guy has his game on the X360, which is far more closed. He's a hypocrite.

NoClipMode said,

No, unlike you, we just have the intelligence to realise that he's not getting shafted.

The desktop is still open and Minecraft runs great on it. Meanwhile the Metro UI offers another opportunity for developers to reach an even wider audience and make more money. Also, this guy has his game on the X360, which is far more closed. He's a hypocrite.

Honestly this is a case of do you look at where it is going or where it is at now. I completely can see the PC becoming a walled garden. I can see the PC becoming a walled garden being good for most everyone. It will force people to buy what they use. It also looks to be setting prices fairly equitable. I don't see why this is such a problem for some people. I've known people that pirated minecraft. Strike that I've known people that bought it... on xbox. Never met a PC user that bought it and I've know a ton more people play it on pc.

NoClipMode said,
No, unlike you, we just have the intelligence to realise that he's not getting shafted.

Yet you completely fail to see the bigger picture and long term consequences.

Intelligence you say? More like blind hatred.

rpsgc said,

Yet you completely fail to see the bigger picture and long term consequences.

Intelligence you say? More like blind hatred.

LOL blind hatred towards what exacty?? Theres absolutely no proof that MS will ever close off the desktop and only allow people to purchase desktop software from their Store. Having a Microsoft Store for tablets using the Metro UI totally makes sense and all other mobile OS's have a Store. But too many people and companies would complain about this it it ever happened to the desktop. Theres just no chance of it happening. OSX is heading down that road but Windows never will.

"Notch then followed that tweet by saying he'd rather not have the game on Windows 8 at all and that he hopes consumers won't switch to the new platform."

In that case, I hope no one starts playing Minecraft then, and current players abandon the game. That way, everyone can benefit from the newer, improved operating system and apps, without being annoyed by developers who don't want to develop for the new system or even certify their apps that work fine for it.

Calum said,

In that case, I hope no one starts playing Minecraft then, and current players abandon the game.

Sadly, many MC fans will blindly follow his views and statements and not install Windows 8 just because he dislikes it. Skepticism and forming opinions yourself is hard to find these days. It's just so predictable and sad that people do this.

Cøi said,

Sadly, many MC fans will blindly follow his views and statements and not install Windows 8 just because he dislikes it. Skepticism and forming opinions yourself is hard to find these days. It's just so predictable and sad that people do this.


I agree. It really is sad

You'll have to show me where to get it on PSN, because I couldn't find it.

Oh and by the way, the XBLA version of Minecraft was ported by 4J Studios under license, not Mojang Studios. So technically, he's not actively involved in that version either.

Think he's a little bit too big for his boots! "Oh noes, my new laptomabop doesn't play minecraft, DO NOT WANT!"

Who pays for a beta game anyway???

Antaris said,
Think he's a little bit too big for his boots! "Oh noes, my new laptomabop doesn't play minecraft, DO NOT WANT!"

Who pays for a beta game anyway???

where have you been, Minecraft has been out of beta for almost a year now, it's up to official version 1.3.2 now with 1.4 in the works

Brando212 said,
where have you been, Minecraft has been out of beta for almost a year now, it's up to official version 1.3.2 now with 1.4 in the works

Zealots and haters don't care for facts.

Its easy saying critical comments are coming from fanboys but what exactly makes this guys opinion worth more than anyone else's? Why is his clarion call to boycott Windows 8 any less fanboyish than those who say they don't care for his opinion and like Windows 8? I mean, you make a successful game and all of a sudden you speak for the world? Who died and made him king of tech?

I dont get it! Havent they put out minecraft games for iphone and android and dont those platforms have their own app stores filled with other apps by indie devs? Make up your mind people

spy beef said,
I will never upgrade to Win 8 unless Notch endorses it. I <3 Minecraft!

I've fell in love with it over the last week xD

spy beef said,
I will never upgrade to Win 8 unless Notch endorses it. I <3 Minecraft!

Why? It still works under Win 8....always has.
Who cares what Notch thinks.

spy beef said,
I will never upgrade to Win 8 unless Notch endorses it. I <3 Minecraft!

Ok, that is kinda stupid. Blindly following the views of a random Swedish person just because he started the development of your favourite game.

Like many other people, I knew Metro was stupid and the start menu button removal was a bad idea. Sadly, Microsoft doesn't listen to feedback. I'll stick with Windows 7 for the next couple of years.

Andrew Lyle said,
Like many other people, I knew Metro was stupid and the start menu button removal was a bad idea. Sadly, Microsoft doesn't listen to feedback. I'll stick with Windows 7 for the next couple of years.

Like many people, I disagree with you.

It's unfair of you to assume Microsoft doesn't listen to feedback. Just because they didn't change Windows 8 to suit your preferences and the preferences of what could be a vocal minority.

Many, many of us believe Windows 8 is awesome and the way computing should be. Microsoft could well have listened to our feedback, in carrying on with Windows 8 as it is and allowing it to evolve into something that we actually find a joy to use.

JessJess said,

God I hope not.

Likewise! The concept behind Windows 8 is entirely admirable - the execution, in my mind at least, is an absolute horror show.

Andrew Lyle said,
Like many other people, I knew Metro was stupid and the start menu button removal was a bad idea. Sadly, Microsoft doesn't listen to feedback. I'll stick with Windows 7 for the next couple of years.

your comments and Notch's comments (or trying too) are two very different things.
Which, I can't blame you, Notch is trying to critize win8 with the same arguments you tried, but he is only trying to cover what his real issue is (he is being very political), attacking a product, trying to blame something else.

Calum said,

...Many, many of us believe Windows 8 is awesome and the way computing should be...

Outside of the internet, I'm still waiting to meet the many of you. And I work in IT, and attend many IT related events.

JessJess said,
God I hope not.

Win8 might be rough around the edges, Win9+ will bring the polish that a unified OS across multiple platforms requires. It is the way the computing world is headed with all the mobile devices coming in to play.

MS had to go this route, the status quo would not sustain them in the long run and we'd be accusing MS of being resistant to change.

I can understand that everyone is worried about change. MS is keeping a grip on the Metro App, so all the ARM tablets will help them develop and grow a specific ecosystem that you have to invest in as a developer. I don't think the Desktop is going anywhere anytime soon.

This story does not say Microsoft is blocking anyone from developing, they are just wanting to put a stanp of approval. Like the signature PCs. Like the drivers... This is good for the customer as it make sure that we get the best software.

I think we need more of this... as long as it does not cost a lot of money... or cost anything at all to get MS stamp of approval what is the big woop!

This is actually a good time for everyone who wants to do their own digital distro to build Steam like desktop apps in big picture like modes to create their own envirnments. I'd be willing to buy into all of them if they make things easy. Then they will become a mainstay in the OS, and MS might have to give some concessions later down the line. The Metro style apps will grow in what they can do on the system and Microsoft will need to adapt with how the industry responds when they industry actually has a real leg to stand on. Okay, so what, MS is now big compitition with software on its own platform... get over it, and get competitive and do something better. Or why don't you back a flavor of linux and get developers to back it so that their will be another open competing platform...

for now I say whatever... until I can see what they are seeing... not just want they think will happen accross the board.

I think the problem is in the mind of Joe Blow Windows 8 ARM and Windows 8 will be the same thing while from what i understand they are not going to be the same thing.

If Windows 8 ARM was Called Windows Mobile 8 and used for both dedicated tablets and phones while Windows 8 Pro simply called Windows 8 would be used for PC and hybrid tablets all this would not be an issue. Specially if the store would not ship with Windows 8 but needed to be installed sorta like Live apps. The store could be Windows Mobile store but accessible on PC too using an app you have to install.

From what i understand desktop apps wont be usable on ARM devices right ? stop me if i'm wrong with that and simply forget my post and call me an uneducated n00b.

The problem is in the mind of lot of people Windows 8 ARM is still called Windows 8 while it's not really Windows 8.

I think this is a problem that could be seriously discussed by mature people. But since Neowin is full of fanboys acting like teens well this news story comment section will be full of crap sadly.

Edited by LaP, Sep 27 2012, 2:55pm :

mranderson1st said,
I can understand that everyone is worried about change. MS is keeping a grip on the Metro App, so all the ARM tablets will help them develop and grow a specific ecosystem that you have to invest in as a developer. I don't think the Desktop is going anywhere anytime soon.

This story does not say Microsoft is blocking anyone from developing, they are just wanting to put a stanp of approval. Like the signature PCs. Like the drivers... This is good for the customer as it make sure that we get the best software.

I think we need more of this... as long as it does not cost a lot of money... or cost anything at all to get MS stamp of approval what is the big woop!

This is actually a good time for everyone who wants to do their own digital distro to build Steam like desktop apps in big picture like modes to create their own envirnments. I'd be willing to buy into all of them if they make things easy. Then they will become a mainstay in the OS, and MS might have to give some concessions later down the line. The Metro style apps will grow in what they can do on the system and Microsoft will need to adapt with how the industry responds when they industry actually has a real leg to stand on. Okay, so what, MS is now big compitition with software on its own platform... get over it, and get competitive and do something better. Or why don't you back a flavor of linux and get developers to back it so that their will be another open competing platform...

for now I say whatever... until I can see what they are seeing... not just want they think will happen accross the board.


Not everyone is worried about change Many people, or even most people. might be, but some of us realise when change is for the better (e.g. Windows 8)

rofl at some of the replies here seriously.

So because you do not agree with him he is this and that and his game ***** and is a pile of crap.

Neowin at its best. Nothing more to say.

LaP said,
rofl at some of the replies here seriously.

So because you do not agree with him he is this and that and his game ***** and is a pile of crap.

Neowin at its best. Nothing more to say.

Blind hatred from a lot of people just because it's Java xD

LaP said,
rofl at some of the replies here seriously.

So because you do not agree with him he is this and that and his game ***** and is a pile of crap.

Neowin at its best. Nothing more to say.


Well, I've never even been interested in his game, and I have no desire to even check it out (I don't bother with many computer games, as there are other things I like to do with my free time), so my comment stands as it is.

Not exactly all people are saying Minecraft sucks because of these claims. At the moment, MC development isn't even lead by Notch himself.
I like Minecraft too (despite it's Java) but I totally don't agree with his claims.
There are enough arguments for that in other comments already: He won't have problems with Metro since Mojang already released MC on iOS & Xbox. I also don't see how Windows 8 ruins the PC, since Metro is just an addition.

LaP said,
rofl at some of the replies here seriously.

So because you do not agree with him he is this and that and his game ***** and is a pile of crap.

Neowin at its best. Nothing more to say.

Honestly, I never though Minecraft was a good game,I always though it was a ridiculous stupid game. And it's nothing like Lego. And before I even knew Notch made the crap, I thought he was an opinionated a-hole.

So no, my opinion has not changed with this, still the same. And he's still a whining crybaby with attention deficit disorder.

LaP said,
rofl at some of the replies here seriously.

So because you do not agree with him he is this and that and his game ***** and is a pile of crap.

Neowin at its best. Nothing more to say.

I'd give you 1000 likes if I could.

Wow, this guy just doesn't care for change at all, does he. Windows 8 is basically 7 with a different interface is all. Performance tests show little or no difference between the two. I think this guy just hates Metro/Modern/the new Start Screen. Or he loved the Start button so much he's loathed to see it go.

yeoo_andy_ni said,
Wow, this guy just doesn't care for change at all, does he. Windows 8 is basically 7 with a different interface is all. Performance tests show little or no difference between the two. I think this guy just hates Metro/Modern/the new Start Screen. Or he loved the Start button so much he's loathed to see it go.

Performance test for non-games show a remarkable performance boost with Windows 8. With games, it is pretty much a wash.

Great, keep his piece of crap game off Windows 8. He ripped me off anyway, I bought his "game" and my serial number was deleted, tried the support and got none. Scam artist!

PsYcHoKiLLa said,
Great, keep his piece of crap game off Windows 8. He ripped me off anyway, I bought his "game" and my serial number was deleted, tried the support and got none. Scam artist!
0_o what are you talking about, Minecraft doesn't use serial numbers, it just links to your account, so you download the client and log in and you're good to go.

I have no idea what you're talking about with this serial number business

PsYcHoKiLLa said,
Great, keep his piece of crap game off Windows 8. He ripped me off anyway, I bought his "game" and my serial number was deleted, tried the support and got none. Scam artist!

Wow... sounds like you "bought" Minecraft from some scammer. Minecraft doesn't use serial numbers. You can't blame them for your stupidity.

thealexweb said,

It's supposed to look all 8 bity

I don't play Minecraft but personally i think it looks great. That game is definately charming and has a soul.

I can't sadly say the same thing for games blindly over using dx effects and forgetting art is part of what makes a game looks good.

This is retarded. Sounds like he's pandering to his gaming base as there's a lot of hate for Win8 coming from the gaming community simply because they're too lazy to figure out what's bull**** and what's not.

Also this:
"These certifications are nothing but good. As long as Windows 8 doesn't block non-certified programs you still have a open platform.
Certification means your program follows a specific set of rules in regards how it behaves, such as; 1.1 Your app must not take a dependency on Windows compatibility modes, AppHelp message, and or any other compatibility fixes
4.1 Your app must handle critical shutdowns appropriately
5.1 Your app must properly implement a clean, reversible installation
Windows 8 Software Certification gives you programs that behave in a specific and predictable way according to a unified set of rules"

Gratz for being the only person here to express an opinion and take the time to discuss the issue.

You deserve a cookie for that.

LaP said,
Gratz for being the only person here to express an opinion and take the time to discuss the issue.

You deserve a cookie for that.


What are you trying to say with this comment exactly?

Tom said,
This is retarded. Sounds like he's pandering to his gaming base as there's a lot of hate for Win8 coming from the gaming community simply because they're too lazy to figure out what's bull**** and what's not.

Also this:
"These certifications are nothing but good. As long as Windows 8 doesn't block non-certified programs you still have a open platform.
Certification means your program follows a specific set of rules in regards how it behaves, such as; 1.1 Your app must not take a dependency on Windows compatibility modes, AppHelp message, and or any other compatibility fixes
4.1 Your app must handle critical shutdowns appropriately
5.1 Your app must properly implement a clean, reversible installation
Windows 8 Software Certification gives you programs that behave in a specific and predictable way according to a unified set of rules"

I'm having one of those days, but is it even possible to automate the un-installation of Java applications without going into the Java control panel? Looking at my PC right now, Minecraft is not listed in the "currently installed programs" list. Perhaps this is a stumbling block for Java apps to get certified.

Condere said,
I'm having one of those days, but is it even possible to automate the un-installation of Java applications without going into the Java control panel? Looking at my PC right now, Minecraft is not listed in the "currently installed programs" list. Perhaps this is a stumbling block for Java apps to get certified.
I have a lot of hate for JRE these days. It's a massive hassle at work where crappy java apps were written for an old release and we can't upgrade the version of JRE otherwise business will flip out. Last time I checked we had 25+ versions of JRE approved and I hate every single one of them and the crappy app that requires it.

Don't ever ask the user to "toggle" the version of JRE they require either, you'll end up with little to no hair left.

Minecraft is on Xbox, last I checked. That's about as closed platform as possible. Windows 8, on the other hand, ain't any more closed than Windows 7.

I am sure other developers have had the same opinion, but they have not made a fuss.
I am not the biggest fan of Windows 8 either, but that's a whole different story..

Xbox 360 and iOS are two of the most 'closed' platforms around, yet he had no problems releasing Minecraft on those. Win8 is just as 'open' as Win7 on the desktop.

giantpotato said,
Xbox 360 and iOS are two of the most 'closed' platforms around, yet he had no problems releasing Minecraft on those. Win8 is just as 'open' as Win7 on the desktop.

Some people just don't want the standard desktop OS to become a closed system also, we expect through history the game console to be locked, and portable devices to be similar, but we through time haven't had this issue on a desktop system until now

giantpotato said,
Xbox 360 and iOS are two of the most 'closed' platforms around, yet he had no problems releasing Minecraft on those. Win8 is just as 'open' as Win7 on the desktop.

Agreed i wish the EU would step in and put an end to all appstores everywhere.

neufuse said,
but we through time haven't had this issue on a desktop system until now

... It still don't exist on the Win 8 desktop. The desktop is completely the same as Win 7 in this regard. It's only the Metro UI thats more closed. And so what? It wont affect desktop users.

OSX on the other hand is a different story and clearly closing off the desktop even more with each new release.

neufuse said,

Some people just don't want the standard desktop OS to become a closed system also, we expect through history the game console to be locked, and portable devices to be similar, but we through time haven't had this issue on a desktop system until now

I do understand what you are saying but surely this is just adding another way to purchase it? People can still visit his website and download a desktop version of it as they do today? It doesn't remove that ability as Windows 8 is not locked down to just the store.

OSX on the other hand is a different story and clearly closing off the desktop even more with each new release.

clearly you're talking rubbish. Gatekeeper has three settings. App Store only. App Store and trusted devs. And finally any and all software you feel like grabbing from...well.... Anywhere.

Stop spreading lies.

chrispinto said,

clearly you're talking rubbish. Gatekeeper has three settings. App Store only. App Store and trusted devs. And finally any and all software you feel like grabbing from...well.... Anywhere.

Stop spreading lies.

just because its that way now, doesn't mean it will be that way in the future... I think that is part of the complaint, people see this as eventually being 100% closed on the desktop, Mac OSX and Windows

TPreston said,

Agreed i wish the EU would step in and put an end to all appstores everywhere.


So if for some really stupid reason that occurs how would you distribute apps on the platforms that use those app stores you want to get rid of?

neufuse said,

Some people just don't want the standard desktop OS to become a closed system also, we expect through history the game console to be locked, and portable devices to be similar, but we through time haven't had this issue on a desktop system until now

And we still don't have the issue now, all of my win32 applications that ran on Windows 7 continue to run on Windows 8, loading occurs through dvd, usb, download from outside sources, exactly the way it has always been.

Imagine Microsoft doing the same thing as Apple, where on ML, you have to change the default setting, as otherwise unsigned applications won't run ! It would probably be the end of the world. All but Microsoft seem to be getting a free pass, at least Microsoft did not change any of the stuff whith regards to Win32 applications. So you gain an additional api (WinRT), that one is restricted to the app store, the millions of existing Windows applications are not restricted and in that regard it is business as usual. But never let facts stand in the way of a rant hey ?

neufuse said,

just because its that way now, doesn't mean it will be that way in the future... I think that is part of the complaint, people see this as eventually being 100% closed on the desktop, Mac OSX and Windows


There is a technical term for that sort of emotional response - it's called FEAR.

If anything is threatening the PC now, it's not Windows 8, or even Windows per se - but the crappy GLOBAL economy. (It's not me saying it, but investors; I had the smarts to watch CNBC today, and their crew (all institutional investors or advisors to same) are shorting basically the entire PC space; even HP took one in the back. They are expecting upgrade/replacement of PCs to be largely aimed down - if the replacement happens at all, PCs will be replaced with smartphones and tablets/slates - for reasons of cheapness. That - if it happens - will make ALL of us outliers.)

Even though it isn't certified it will still run normally or through comparability mode will it not? I'm running it fine on Win8 just now,

Kind of torn in two with this, yeah good for him making a stand for what he believes but at the same time all it will do will affect sales and the end user, that is assuming if it won't run on Windows 8,.

ThunderBuddy said,
Even though it isn't certified it will still run normally or through comparability mode will it not? I'm running it fine on Win8 just now,

Kind of torn in two with this, yeah good for him making a stand for what he believes but at the same time all it will do will affect sales and the end user, that is assuming if it won't run on Windows 8,.

Yeah it'll run just fine on Windows 8, it just warns that it isn't certified, RTM spits out an error message and you have to choose to run it anyway.

Vasya_Vodochkin said,
Yeah, sure. Let's continue using crappy java that makes this game run slower than Battlefield 3 on my gaming PC.

LOL! So true...

And now I suppose Notch is a jerk / idiot / clueless if I understand the Windows users correctly.

Or that Minecraft sucked anyway.

Northgrove said,
And now I suppose Notch is a jerk / idiot / clueless if I understand the Windows users correctly.

Or that Minecraft sucked anyway.

Generally yes. If you express any opinion that is negative towards Windows 8 you're immediately either a n00b, an Apple fanboy, or something else along those lines.

You're not permitted to be a happy Windows 7 user, but express a dislike for Windows 8 around here.

Northgrove said,
And now I suppose Notch is a jerk / idiot / clueless if I understand the Windows users correctly.

Or that Minecraft sucked anyway.

I think the main problem is that his reasoning is quite stupid, not just that he dislikes Windows 8.

Chicane-UK said,

Generally yes. If you express any opinion that is negative towards Windows 8 you're immediately either a n00b, an Apple fanboy, or something else along those lines.

You're not permitted to be a happy Windows 7 user, but express a dislike for Windows 8 around here.

Like that doesn't apply to any other things around here. You make it sound like it's limited to Windows 8. I'd like you to go into a post about Android and say negative things about that and see how that works out for you.

Chicane-UK said,

Generally yes. If you express any opinion that is negative towards Windows 8 you're immediately either a n00b, an Apple fanboy, or something else along those lines.

You're not permitted to be a happy Windows 7 user, but express a dislike for Windows 8 around here.

Of course you are allowed to express dislike. The stance of this guy is simply false, a blatent lie. The fact of the matter is that any win32 application (of which there are litteraly Millions) continue to run and continue to be available and pushed out in exact the same way as always has been the case on Windows. In fact, the app store will NOT contain any win32 application, only applications that are based on WinRT. the app store therefore will not limit the openess of the platform one bit.

In other words, this guy does not know what he is talking about, or... has some other motive. As far as I'm concernend I have a whole lot of trouble to take this guy seriously, as he is lying and apparently thinks I am an idiot.

Chicane-UK said,

Generally yes. If you express any opinion that is negative towards Windows 8 you're immediately either a n00b, an Apple fanboy, or something else along those lines.

You're not permitted to be a happy Windows 7 user, but express a dislike for Windows 8 around here.

Me: I had an iPhone for 2 1/2 years, but when WP7 was released, I decided it was time for something different. I also used only a Mac for two months to try it out, but decided Windows worked best for me so I went back.

Apple Fan: You hater! Why do you hate Apple so much? You are a hating hater that will do anything to try to bring Apple down. They have billions in the bank and the most valuable company which proves they are the best around, but you go with the greedy M$ and their Windows crap. You should be ashamed of yourself for showing your hate, you hater!

ahhell said,
He can go **** himself for all I care.
Windows 8 doesn't need his ****ty Java app anyway.

Yeah, It's so ****ty that millions of people play it.

Azies said,

Yeah, It's so ****ty that millions of people play it.


Millions of people also play Zynga games. Popular doesn't always mean that it's good.

ahhell said,
Millions of people also play Zynga games. Popular doesn't always mean that it's good.

I'm not the biggest Minecraft fan, but it's hard to say it hasn't been good for the industry as we see both the community and other game developers build on an idea many didn't believe to gain such traction/popularity.

(note: not saying Minecraft is the first of its kind in any way either)

ahhell said,
He can go **** himself for all I care.
Windows 8 doesn't need his ****ty Java app anyway.

He's a big meanie poopoo head because he doesn't love Windows 8 like I do! Waaaaaaaaaah.

Douglas_C said,
So, how exactly is Windows 8 going to ruin the PC as an open platform?

Metro apps can only be installed from the Marketplace, if for whatever reason MS doesn't like your app or is pressured from outside sources to kick it out your stuck making only desktop apps.

thealexweb said,
Metro apps can only be installed from the Marketplace, if for whatever reason MS doesn't like your app or is pressured from outside sources to kick it out your stuck making only desktop apps.

Funny how that Metro copy of Chrome seemed to install just fine without me ever visiting the marketplace....

thealexweb said,
Metro apps can only be installed from the Marketplace, if for whatever reason MS doesn't like your app or is pressured from outside sources to kick it out your stuck making only desktop apps.
Is Minecraft not run from the desktop?

thealexweb said,

Metro apps can only be installed from the Marketplace, if for whatever reason MS doesn't like your app or is pressured from outside sources to kick it out your stuck making only desktop apps.

I still don't see how this effects anything. Apps that don't use metro run in desktop... So what? Minecraft, Steam, and whatever else can still be used normally just like in Windows 7. Maybe I'm just missing something, but all Windows 8 adds is a store, you aren't required to use it. How is this ruining the universe?

thealexweb said,

Metro apps can only be installed from the Marketplace, if for whatever reason MS doesn't like your app or is pressured from outside sources to kick it out your stuck making only desktop apps.

So the current existing platform is still as open as it ever was? And you still get to list your applications in the store? I don't see what he's complaining about honestly And all certification does for desktop software is ensure users that it's not going to mess up their PC. Well, that's over generalising it a lot, but I wouldn't see any reason not to do it.

~Johnny said,

So the current existing platform is still as open as it ever was? And you still get to list your applications in the store? I don't see what he's complaining about honestly And all certification does for desktop software is ensure users that it's not going to mess up their PC. Well, that's over generalising it a lot, but I wouldn't see any reason not to do it.

I can see why some are worried, the desktop is being hidden on the start screen as just another app, over time fewer people are gonna be clicking in to the Desktop.

Mordkanin said,
Funny how that Metro copy of Chrome seemed to install just fine without me ever visiting the marketplace....

Metro-style enabled desktop browsers (like IE10 and Chrome) are a special type of app, and *must* be delivered through external channels. Only browsers are allowed.

thealexweb said,
Metro apps can only be installed from the Marketplace

Wrong, you can sideload apps on Windows 8.
Even better, you can directly create a package that will install your app in a single click on any Windows 8 PC directly from Visual Studio.

Mordkanin said,

Funny how that Metro copy of Chrome seemed to install just fine without me ever visiting the marketplace....

MS has made an exception for web browsers, doesn't count

Mercuie said,

I still don't see how this effects anything. Apps that don't use metro run in desktop... So what? Minecraft, Steam, and whatever else can still be used normally just like in Windows 7. Maybe I'm just missing something, but all Windows 8 adds is a store, you aren't required to use it. How is this ruining the universe?

Minecraft.exe, which is the launcher for Minecraft, doesn't run right away, it tells you the application isn't certified, and you click See more... or something, and click "Run Anyway" in order to get the app to even start.

thealexweb said,

I can see why some are worried, the desktop is being hidden on the start screen as just another app, over time fewer people are gonna be clicking in to the Desktop.

But they don't have to "Click into the desktop" all application icons regardless of whether metro or desktop still appear on the start screen. Once open, if you switch away, you just switch back to it in the same way. Never had to manually switch to the desktop view.

Anthonyd said,

Even better, you can directly create a package that will install your app in a single click on any Windows 8 PC directly from Visual Studio.

Now that you cannot do, as far as I'm aware. You can create a package that includes a number of files including a Windows Powershell script that you have to manually run and interact with to install Windows 8 applications. Unless I'm missing something big

(This is of course talking about sideloading packages)

Edited by ~Johnny, Sep 27 2012, 3:09pm :

thealexweb said,

Metro apps can only be installed from the Marketplace, if for whatever reason MS doesn't like your app or is pressured from outside sources to kick it out your stuck making only desktop apps.

That's technically right and technically also not the case. As we've seen there are already "apps" in the Windows store which are just front ends to another 3rd party store. MS isn't blocking in-app purchasing. Thus we could end up with a number of app stores not just the built in windows one, the only hitch is you have to get it through MS first. Since they'd also be free apps MS wouldn't be getting a cut or anything either.

I'd say this simple fact, unless it changes but I doubt it will, makes this a none issue. Valve can do a steam metro app that's just a store and do in-app purchases that way. Or any other 3rd party can. I fully expect a Amazon app that just sells you Amazon content just like you'd find on a kindle fire etc.

In the end of the day this is a none issue really. Like most things when they hit the internet they tend to get blown out of proportion.

Douglas_C said,
So, how exactly is Windows 8 going to ruin the PC as an open platform?

The thought is that Microsoft is using Windows 8 to get developers to move everything to Metro via the Windows Store. Windows 8 itself is not the problem as it supports the Desktop mode. Lets say over the life of Windows 8 though most developers embrace the Windows Store and Metro then when Windows 9 comes out Microsoft drops support for the desktop. Microsoft can then say the only software you can install on your PC is the stuff you get from the Windows Store (just like iOS is today). Then Microsoft gets a cut of everything on the platform and has the power to accept or reject software, no more open platform. Windows RT is already locked down like that and the first versions of Visual Studio Express 2012 only supported Metro with no ability to make Desktop apps until MS was pressured to change it by Developer outcry.

Asmodai said,
when Windows 9 comes out Microsoft drops support for the desktop. Microsoft can then say the only software you can install on your PC is the stuff you get from the Windows Store (just like iOS is today).

So all this is about something that might happen? Even though it's an absurd notion.. Also, the only edition of Visual Studio that wasn't able to originally do desktop apps was the free Express edition, in which case they directed you to 2010 for the desktop seeing as you weren't writing a Metro app anyway, or you know, pick any one of the other compilers that are out there. The Express edition really isn't suited for commercial developers to begin with.

Seriously. They're just mad they have to give up some profit. But in the end, the marketplace benefits most users. And will probably raise revenue as a whole for gamin companies

gohatters said,
Seriously. They're just mad they have to give up some profit. But in the end, the marketplace benefits most users. And will probably raise revenue as a whole for gamin companies

If we wanted to 'benefit' from a marketplace he could have put it on Steam a long time ago.

gohatters said,
Seriously. They're just mad they have to give up some profit. But in the end, the marketplace benefits most users. And will probably raise revenue as a whole for gamin companies

Honestly, I'd rather as a dev pay to promote and distribute my content myself... I know that's one of the big pushes for the app store model is they do that all for you, but you give up some control and a good percentage of your profits for this... there are some people out there that do stuff just for fun, push to their website, etc... this model kind of hurts that idea...

thealexweb said,

If we wanted to 'benefit' from a marketplace he could have put it on Steam a long time ago.


You may not want to benefit form the Store, but some of us do.

gohatters said,
Seriously. They're just mad they have to give up some profit. But in the end, the marketplace benefits most users. And will probably raise revenue as a whole for gamin companies

He has his game on Xbox Live... so already losing profit. his stance is dumb.

thealexweb said,

If we wanted to 'benefit' from a marketplace he could have put it on Steam a long time ago.

Or the XBLA...ho wait, Minecraft is available there.
Notch is just proving that he is a douchebag ... once again.

thealexweb said,

That was meant to be a he not a me xD


Oh. In that case, I take my comment back I can understand why he might not want to put his game in the Store, even though I prefer the idea of everything being in the Store.

neufuse said,

Honestly, I'd rather as a dev pay to promote and distribute my content myself... I know that's one of the big pushes for the app store model is they do that all for you, but you give up some control and a good percentage of your profits for this... there are some people out there that do stuff just for fun, push to their website, etc... this model kind of hurts that idea...

And you can still do that, even with Windows 8. But this model definitely doesn't hurt people who just do stuff for fun or small developers... those are the ones that get overshadowed and their websites hidden far away from potential customers.

This model only hurts the big players who already have your attention. They don't need an app store to get seen.

nub said,
Give up some profit? Does it cost money to list on Windows Store?

You have to pay $99 to put a app in the store per year (same as with other stores on other platforms though), after that if it's not a free/ad supported app then MS gets 30% till you sell, iirc, your first $25,000? Then MS's cut drops to 20%.

The only apps you can list and MS doesn't take a cut on are classic apps, aka, win32 desktop apps. Those get listed and don't even go through any sort of certification process either. Heaven forbid MS want to make sure the apps that go up on the store are actually secure and so on.

GP007 said,
You have to pay $99 to put a app in the store per year (same as with other stores on other platforms though), after that if it's not a free/ad supported app then MS gets 30% till you sell, iirc, your first $25,000? Then MS's cut drops to 20%.

It's actually only $49 for individuals (but $99 for company accounts).

Brandon Live said,

It's actually only $49 for individuals (but $99 for company accounts).

Oh, ok. I wasn't aware of individual accounts.

Anthonyd said,
Or the XBLA...ho wait, Minecraft is available there.
Notch is just proving that he is a douchebag ... once again.

You do realize that Notch and Mojang don't make the Minecraft on XBLA. It's a different game (different feature set, incompatible multiplayer, etc.), written in a different language (C# I believe) by a different company (4J Studios).

GP007 said,

You have to pay $99 to put a app in the store per year (same as with other stores on other platforms though), after that if it's not a free/ad supported app then MS gets 30% till you sell, iirc, your first $25,000? Then MS's cut drops to 20%.

The only apps you can list and MS doesn't take a cut on are classic apps, aka, win32 desktop apps. Those get listed and don't even go through any sort of certification process either. Heaven forbid MS want to make sure the apps that go up on the store are actually secure and so on.

Wow... That's bull****. Microsoft can go **** themselves.

If I was EA or any other competitor I would use this information to green light a MineCraft clone. If he's going to be dumb enough to not only leave an opening in the marketplace, but announce it so that everyone knows then he deserves to get ripped off and replaced.

Also if I was Microsoft I would be reluctant to help finance or promote any games this developer creates after MineCraft.

Asmodai said,

You do realize that Notch and Mojang don't make the Minecraft on XBLA. It's a different game (different feature set, incompatible multiplayer, etc.), written in a different language (C# I believe) by a different company (4J Studios).

Yes but he still had to approve it, and still gains profit from it.

xstex said,

Yes but he still had to approve it, and still gains profit from it.


Yes but MS doesn't get a cut of his profit. He doesn't do anything. He just sits back and collects the money while 4J Studios does the work. Both Microsoft and him get cuts of 4J Studios profit.

gohatters said,
Seriously. They're just mad they have to give up some profit. But in the end, the marketplace benefits most users. And will probably raise revenue as a whole for gamin companies

I think Notch is more upset about the fact that apps have to be approved in order to make its way onto the Store, which means you can't just release whatever you want when you want.

As for Newell & Blizzard, it's probably just them wanting people to use Steam & Battle.net instead...

Ricardo Dawkins said,

He has his game on Xbox Live... so already losing profit. his stance is dumb.

His stance is dumb for not wanting them to ruin an open platform? Great logic on your part . . .