NVIDIA drops the ball on Windows 8 RP driver release

NVIDIA must already be feeling a bit red faced now that ATI managed to get their Windows 8 drivers out the door just one day after the Windows 8 Release Preview was made available for download.

Yesterday the Senior Project Manager for Consumer Software updated his blog post to inform impatient customers that the drivers were still not ready after initially promising an "early next week" release last Friday.

He wrote on the NVIDIA Software blog:

[Update] (6/6/2012): We have decided to postpone the driver release to pick up some additional fixes that we feel are necessary for a great Windows 8 experience. We apologize for the delay and will post the new driver as soon as possible.

As with the Windows 8 Consumer Preview, NVIDIA customers suffered various graphic issues in games and notably in the rendering of Firefox itself and web page content. This issue seemed a little better in the Release Preview, but in Firefox there are still issues with the scrollbar which seems to break randomly and the rendering of fonts within web pages is also broken, jumping randomly between the correct rendering of fonts and not.

Another user in our forums did a little research on the problems and discovered that drivers after the 289.xx release seemed to cause more issues for various GPU's which might explain why an older driver was shipped with the RP; the latest driver for Windows 7 systems is 301.42. Windows 8 will eventually get a 302.xx driver which can't install on Windows 7 or earlier.

Come on NVIDIA sort it out!

Source: NVIDIA via Forums

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After installing the RP on the same hardware I was running the CP, the computer now crashes with a pink screen. I've tried the Windows Update drivers and the 296.17 drivers from NVidia.com. Both crash. I hope the 300 release is good. Any new word on when they will release?

Edit: Forgot to mention, i'm running at GTX 550 Ti.

There working perfect for me and the firefox glitch issue is solved by turning off hardware acceleration in firefox options as for the games never had a problem with any.

I see no problem at all with the delay. It's not like we're entitled to beta drivers for a beta OS. I'd rather see them get something stable out than rush it.

I don't see where Nvidia dropped anything - Yeah lets release unfinished drivers for an unfinished OS!!! WOOO

sava700 said,
I don't see where Nvidia dropped anything - Yeah lets release unfinished drivers for an unfinished OS!!! WOOO

they've been releasing unfinished drivers for the past 3 months for the 600 series.

I installed the CP release and it works just fine. Am i missing something? Im playing games like max payne and witcher 2 full settings just fine.

So let me get this straight. People are bitching that Nvidia didn't release drivers that they found issues with.
Personally, I'd rather wait a bit and get something that's stable.

ahhell said,
So let me get this straight. People are bitching that Nvidia didn't release drivers that they found issues with.
Personally, I'd rather wait a bit and get something that's stable.

No excuse, they should have released what they originally had WHQL certification on as a beta release to tide users over. As of right now the OS is completely useless to most Nvidia owners. Anything would be better than what we have right now.

Not to mention the lack of respect for their users by keeping us in the dark to what the issue was besides adding additional fixes. Communication means everything.

"to inform impatient customers" Are you kidding me? We're talking about Windows here... And it's near release.... I truly fail to see "impatient customers". If this version was one of the first 'leaks', I certainly could understand.

Also, as long as I had Nvidia, the Firefox' TDRs/Glitches/Crashes were simply awful and painful for months. When I installed my 7950 all these thankfully disappeared. And I thought it was purely Fx's problem...

Edited by PC EliTiST, Jun 7 2012, 1:46pm :

Yeah this is quite unfortunate for those with problems. I am having an audio driver issue myself and cannot find a fix for it yet (Dell Vostro 1400 laptop)

Ahem, "nVidia drops the ball", "red [green?] faced"is a bit harsh especially since we are talking about support for an unreleased OS and the quoted reasons make sense.

PS
I would have made the same comment if it was ATI we're talking about.

I had major problems using the driver downloaded from Nvidia for my GTS250; Firefox's chrome was really messed up. I downgraded to the default driver from Windows Update and I've not had any problems so far. It works well enough to play Skyrim anyways.

But I will be glad when Nvidia releases the new driver; they always seem to work better than the ones on Windows Update...

I did an Upgrade to Windows 8 on Friday and have yet to have a single problem. Gaming performace has increased. I have not looked at the Driver version yet, but I have not updated it in Months.

Star Wars Old Republic 16 man OPS and WZ's are as smoth as glass.

I have been beyound please with Windows 8. Most of my fears are go. Great Job Microsoft.

MikadoWU said,
I did an Upgrade to Windows 8 on Friday and have yet to have a single problem. Gaming performace has increased. I have not looked at the Driver version yet, but I have not updated it in Months.

Star Wars Old Republic 16 man OPS and WZ's are as smoth as glass.

I have been beyound please with Windows 8. Most of my fears are go. Great Job Microsoft.

I only signed into the game for a moment on RP the other day, and it was silky smooth, and not just the FPS but in overall performance of HD access, load times, etc.

I was a bit surprised to see how much of a jump Windows 8 was on the same machine in SWTOR specifically.

People that 'think' they hate Metro will be forced to move to Windows 8 if they are gamers or demand pure performance. Just flipping between Windows 8 and Windows 7 feels like the difference of flipping from Windows 7 back to Vista, it is that dramatic of a difference.

Nvidia driver 302.59 actually works really well with Win8 RP ! I found that 302.71 gave me a lot of errors, 301.42 worked but didn't remember all the control panel settings, but so far 302.59 seems to do it all fairly well!

thomaskc said,
Nvidia driver 302.59 actually works really well with Win8 RP ! I found that 302.71 gave me a lot of errors, 301.42 worked but didn't remember all the control panel settings, but so far 302.59 seems to do it all fairly well!

where can I find these? the NVidia site is a nightmare to find old drivers..

Not a gamer at all so graphics are basically over rated for what a decent graphics card cost. For what I do, a capable onboard graphics card works quite well for me, although none of my 8 machines have one!

Personally,
Have NEVER liked Nvidia and their drivers at all though!!

cork1958 said,
Not a gamer at all so graphics are basically over rated for what a decent graphics card cost. For what I do, a capable onboard graphics card works quite well for me, although none of my 8 machines have one!

Personally,
Have NEVER liked Nvidia and their drivers at all though!!

GPUs are far from 'just for games', and originate in the graphics and engineering world long before they were ever used for gaming and still are used in these high end environments. Additionally with GPGPU functionality, a lot of co-processing is happing on the GPU today, and even simple applications are taking advantage of the GPU to speed up processing.

If you are NOT a gamer, or versed in GPU technology, how do you so easily proclaim your disdain for NVidia drivers? I can write nightmare articles on Intel, ATI, and NVidia over the past 22 years of providing horrible drivers, NVidia has its good days and its bad days, just like ATI and Intel - there is really little difference in the companies when it comes to solid driver quality, especially when it comes to relations with Microsoft and providing what Microsoft asks for Windows certification and support for features in Windows.

The best thing you can probably do is get a mid to high end popular card and keep current with whatever company you choose so you know you'll get updates somewhat frequently. I can't say I hate AMD or NVidia. They have both had their bad days, for sure. ATI: Rage and Brink performance and then NVidia cooking cards just as recent examples

i found the 302.71 nvidia win8 drivers via google, modified to work with both desktop and laptops. workes fine in win7, on my desktop gt520. cures a few freezing & resetting problems found with older drivers too.

"ATI"? Seriously? Anyways, I've been having problems too with the latest Verde drivers for my GT555M. Some of them won't install because they "can't find compatible hardware" which was never a problem before and some of them crash my system giving me a blank screen at boot. I think I'll play it safe this time and wait for nvidiamto release proper RP drivers.

As far as I rememeber I never had such issues when I was testing Windows 7 Beta.. or RC..
No such problems.. and best of all.. the Vista drivers worked perfectly.

I need to add that These old drivers are stable.. Stabler I should say.. they still lockup and stuff, I need to clarify here that text rendering is really poor and I see weird graphical artifacts in webpages.. images don't seem properly rendered. This didn't happen in the latest drivers but they crash too much.

NVidia please fix these issues. I always remember NVidia making solid drivers and updating faster than anybody else.. why no love for win8? or GTS250 users? im not upgrading my GPU till I find a better one in such a price point.

"Come on NVIDIA sort it out!"

...to be fair, we need to remember that this relates to a *PREVIEW* version of Windows 8 - not the final release - if Windows 8 had been fully released last week and NVIDIA still hadn't got their drivers sorted by now, I'd be a bit miffed to - but Windows 8 is only in RP right now - so give the NVIDIA guys a break!! They're working on it!

I think you might be a bit harsh there. Ultimately, you're complaining that you didn't get a beta driver for a beta OS in the space of a few days. It'll be a different story come the final release of Windows 8 but right now I think they can have some leeway.

Maybe, but ATi managed it, and basically they have gone back on what they said. Thats worth reporting and NVIDIA drivers have been a problem since the DP so NVIDIA are at fault here IMO

Neobond said,
Maybe, but ATi managed it, and basically they have gone back on what they said. Thats worth reporting and NVIDIA drivers have been a problem since the DP so NVIDIA are at fault here IMO

if AMD can do it, anyone can

Kushan said,
I think you might be a bit harsh there. Ultimately, you're complaining that you didn't get a beta driver for a beta OS in the space of a few days. It'll be a different story come the final release of Windows 8 but right now I think they can have some leeway.

In general as far as driver quality I'm firmly in Nvidia's camp, but in this case there's no excuse, they should have had a quality driver ready, they had had the time It's been a long time since the DP. and they would have had builds to work on from long before that.

and look at how they dropped the ball on Vista, hopefully they won't repeat that fiasco.

and yeah, if AMD managed to release stable drivers on day 1, Nvidia has NO excuse.

Kushan said,
I think you might be a bit harsh there. Ultimately, you're complaining that you didn't get a beta driver for a beta OS in the space of a few days. It'll be a different story come the final release of Windows 8 but right now I think they can have some leeway.

Agreed.

.Neo said,

Agreed.

Not really harsh at all. I am sure Nvidia jumped the gun after AMD dropped their driver, Nvidia was trying to quell the masses with their "promise" of the driver in the timeframe they mentioned. I'm sure all the Nvidia fanbois would be ultra ****ed 3000 if Nvidia had mentioned nothing about a upcoming driver. Guess they went with the least of the two evils LOL.

HawkMan said,

In general as far as driver quality I'm firmly in Nvidia's camp, but in this case there's no excuse, they should have had a quality driver ready, they had had the time It's been a long time since the DP. and they would have had builds to work on from long before that.

and look at how they dropped the ball on Vista, hopefully they won't repeat that fiasco.

and yeah, if AMD managed to release stable drivers on day 1, Nvidia has NO excuse.

Oh I hate having to defend NVidia; however...

It is not like the current driver, or the previous driver or even the Windows 7 drivers do not work or impact functionality to an extensive level.

The RP driver and the prior NVidia Win8 driver do work, and they are fully WDM 1.2 supporting the monitor and 3D features and scheduling that are different from the Windows 7 WDM 1.1 drivers.

Acting like this is a massive disappoint or even a slight 'issue' is hyperbolic.

Yes NVidia and ATI/AMD royally messed up on Vista, as they did NOT get the architectural concept well enough to have been trusted with the core driver rewriting they attempted.

However comparing this to Vista's video driver nightmare is way out there. This is a slight revision to the WDDM/WDM and has been planned by Microsoft for several years and does not require a complete rewrite and rethinking of how a GPU operates under the control of an OS kernel etc.


Back in the Vista days, things were dark and NVidia and ATI were ignorant of the architecture of the WDDM/WDM. It wasn't until Microsoft trained engineers and sent them to NVidia and ATI in June of 06 that the drivers started to get better, as the Sept 06 drivers started to show promise by meeting XP driver speeds.

The WDDM/WDM was a massive rethinking in GPU drivers not only in the dual user/kernel model, but in the NT kernel's involvement with RAM and scheduling and GPGPU operations.

WDM 1.2 in Windows 8 is a tiny update.

thenetavenger said,

It is not like the current driver, or the previous driver or even the Windows 7 drivers do not work or impact functionality to an extensive level.

No, you're right. except for graphical corruption in accelerated apps, and severae instability for Most NVidia users and frequent lockups every few minutes, yeah, except for that the old win7 drivers work just fine.

It looks like 296.xx is shipped with the RP is that correct? I upgraded from Windows 7 so I don't know if my driver is default or not lol.

Neobond said,
It looks like 296.xx is shipped with the RP is that correct? I upgraded from Windows 7 so I don't know if my driver is default or not lol.

Yep, that's correct. Shockingly awful driver - my system crashed a whopping 16 times since release - and not once since I rolled back yesterday.