Office for iPad is official, downloads now available

Microsoft’s Office platform has been a cornerstone product for the company as it is the premier productivity suite on the market.  But with Microsoft who was slow to the tablet market and now playing catch-up to the iPad, the company held off on releasing its productivity software for the tablet with the hopes of using it to help sell its own tablet, the Surface.

Office on the iPad rumors have been around for more than 2 years with the first alleged screenshot being released back in February of 2012.  Since then, the release has been rumored time and time again but finally, Microsoft has come forward and announced Office for the iPad.

While there are other ways of working with Office documents on the iPad, they were all via third-party solutions and none of them were able to offer a native experience like a true Office for iPad solution will provide. The question that we will have to watch closely is to see if Office on the iPad accelerates the tablet's movement into the corporate world or if corporations will still hold back on introducing a non-laptop style device to their workforce even though it now supports Office.

This is likely the biggest reason why Microsoft waited so long to introduce the platform. On one hand, they want to make sure Office remains the cornerstone of productivity in the corporate environment but on the other hand, they don’t want corporations to move away from Microsoft platforms (iOS).  It’s this battle that kept Office from being released but in the end, Microsoft has chosen to make sure that Office does not lose it’s stronghold as the productivity suite for the corporate world.

Office is the real deal, it allows collaborative work like you have known to love with documents in the cloud and it works with markup and threaded comments. The app is also native, this is not a port of a previous version of Office.

The Office applications can be downloaded with the links below:

Word | Excel | Powerpoint

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Honestly its Microsoft's own fault that they're starting to lose ground with office. instead of adding worthwhile features they bsed the upgrades and things like google docs started getting a foothold. what they should and need to do is bring online collaboration built in to the desktop office suites.

Umm, sorry to break it to you guys:

Microsoft is paying a 30-percent cut to Apple on Office 365 subscription purchases made within the Office for iPad apps released today, in line with Apple's in-app purchase requirements required of other brands reports Re/code. This was previously a sticking point between the two companies, and was rumored to be a large part of why Microsoft wouldn't release Office on the iPad.

However, Microsoft's new CEO, Satya Nadella, is apparently more willing to work within Apple's requirements than ousted CEO Steve Ballmer. Year-long Office 365 subscriptions are available for in-app purchase for $100, with the subscription good for downloading Office on up to five tablets and five computers, Mac or PC computers, and Android, Windows or iOS tablets.

stevan said,
Umm, sorry to break it to you guys:

Apple gets 30% IF it is an in app purchase. However you can get Office 365 without going through that process. I already have Office 365, Apple gets none of that money..

I don't really care, just making the distinction. I think MS will win big with this. The apps are pretty good..

stevan said,
And a nice 30% cut for Apple. Everyone wins :)

It seems like you are partially right =). Office bought through the app will give 30% to apple. But existing or subs from MS website wont.

anothercookie said,
Subscriptions are for business accounts not personal

You can't edit or save a file without a subscription.

anothercookie said,
I just tried it on my iphone works to save for free via Onedrive not sure about local storage.

This thread is about Office for iPad. Try it on the iPad and see.

stevan said,

This thread is about Office for iPad. Try it on the iPad and see.

I created an a Word doc and was able to save it locally on my iPad. I also opened a doc from OneDrive and placed a copy of it on my iPad. So at least you can do some offline editing...

The only issue I have right now is that I cannot save to 3rd party storage. My company has a secured dropbox on our private cloud. I can open word docs from that service but I cannot save directly to it. It looks like I can save it locally to my iPad and then upload it to the corporate service but that can be a point of data leakage.

One possible work around for uploading is to email the doc as an attachment to my storage service. Not the best way of doing it though..

I take it then you don't use netflix/hulu/redbox/amazon prime...cause those are all monthly subscriptions. Hell...your cable/internet/sat/cellphone are subscription based. Like it or not you are using it.

#Michael said,
I take it then you don't use netflix/hulu/redbox/amazon prime...cause those are all monthly subscriptions. Hell...your cable/internet/sat/cellphone are subscription based. Like it or not you are using it.

True but, for example, I bought my house, my car, my phone...... What you mentioned are services not goods. Nowadays the line between the two terms is getting blurry indeed but one thing is sure: turn everything in a subscription/ rental agreement is by far more lucrative for a software company than sell off the shelf products; for users.... time will tell.

Not to get into an argument but unless you bought your house and car outright technically you entered into an agreement with the lending companies to pay them a monthly fee to live in the house and drive the car. And you agree to continue paying them that monthly fee until such time as you sell them or pay off the cost of them. That is a subscription for goods.

#Michael said,
Not to get into an argument but unless you bought your house and car outright technically you entered into an agreement with the lending companies to pay them a monthly fee to live in the house and drive the car. And you agree to continue paying them that monthly fee until such time as you sell them or pay off the cost of them. That is a subscription for goods.

cable tv and phone service would be a better comparison. For a car and a house, you're agreeing to pay monthly but there is also an agreed upon end date when you will stop paying and own that product outright whereas software does not have that.

#Michael said,
Not to get into an argument but unless you bought your house and car outright technically you entered into an agreement with the lending companies to pay them a monthly fee to live in the house and drive the car. And you agree to continue paying them that monthly fee until such time as you sell them or pay off the cost of them. That is a subscription for goods.

Not really: a subscription/renting means you pay for the rights to use/access something; with a mortgage you are financing your ownership of the house. Same with a car: I buy it, financing for a year or two, when I sell it the value of the car, minus the amount I still owe if any, is mine.

365 subscription just to edit my simple word document? LoL

In your dreams Microsoft.

There better be extremely cheaper subscription model for iOS devices considering their limited productivity scope. I am uninstalling this once I use it for 2 min.

I just don't understand why anyone want to pay for yearly subscription when there is a time you can pay for office and own it the rest of your life. This is just uncanny for people who actually pay for it every year just to use a portion of office application.

In fact, the iWork is flat out free when you purchase iPad or iPhone.

Master of Earth said,
I just don't understand why anyone want to pay for yearly subscription when there is a time you can pay for office and own it the rest of your life. This is just uncanny for people who actually pay for it every year just to use a portion of office application.

In fact, the iWork is flat out free when you purchase iPad or iPhone.

But iWork is limited to iPad and iPhone, Office 365 subs give you more than just the Office apps, depending on which sub you go with, you also get other things on top. But even when talking about the apps, the sub gets you the full desktop apps, on up to 5 devices, Windows, Mac, WP, iPhone, iPad, soon Android devices as well. It's everywhere and you can just jump between any of those devices and still access your files and get work done.

The only benefits you get for subscription is able to use cross platform maybe like on the go but it's still damn expensive for that solely features and definitely not worth every penny for every year.

Master of Earth said,
The only benefits you get for subscription is able to use cross platform maybe like on the go but it's still damn expensive for that solely features and definitely not worth every penny for every year.

Stand alone office is expensive, specially if you want all the apps. Add to the fact that the subscription means you get future versions and don't have to pay again. Sure if you're content with being limited to one version for years and on one PC/Mac only then ok,.

To be honest, the only people who think this is a bad idea are Microsoft fanboys.

Surface and Window tablets can still be successful by being great devices along with great software. iPad appeals to many people but it isn't the ideal device for everything. Microsoft and others just have to prove their stuff is worth using as well.

coresx said,
To be honest, the only people who think this is a bad idea are Microsoft fanboys.

Surface and Window tablets can still be successful by being great devices along with great software. iPad appeals to many people but it isn't the ideal device for everything. Microsoft and others just have to prove their stuff is worth using as well.

It is not a bad idea. For years Office has been available for Mac, and yet Mac is still a failure. People buy Windows computers for Office, it is where you can get real work done. Having it available on iPad and Mac are for when you are stuck using a Mac and have no other choice.

CJEric said,

In that case, doesn't MS have a problem at their hand?

No. They still sell millions of copies of Office. Last year Microsoft sold more copies of Office than they ever have. What will be really fun to watch is the charts on the iPad store. When Office, a set of paid app, surpasses the toys that Apple offers (Pages, etc.) it will show who really owns the market and who is succeeding.

coresx said,
To be honest, the only people who think this is a bad idea are Microsoft fanboys.

Surface and Window tablets can still be successful by being great devices along with great software. iPad appeals to many people but it isn't the ideal device for everything. Microsoft and others just have to prove their stuff is worth using as well.

People have to remember that Surface and other Windows devices can have full desktop office, and if MS wanted to give the Surface another edge it would allow full editing and creation for it's metro office apps without the need for a Office 365 subscription which is what you need for the iPad.

So it's not like there isn't ways to still add more value in picking a Windows devices.

George P said,

People have to remember that Surface and other Windows devices can have full desktop office, and if MS wanted to give the Surface another edge it would allow full editing and creation for it's metro office apps without the need for a Office 365 subscription which is what you need for the iPad.

So it's not like there isn't ways to still add more value in picking a Windows devices.

Unlikely: full editing and creation for business users, even on Metro version of Office only, would be a disaster for the balance sheet.

I love everything ms and I don't think this is a bad idea at all. wont hurt their own devices one bit. I would imagine the modern office is taking longer for ms's own devices because well it will be a more feature complete suite that also includes outlook.

WhatTheSchmidt said,

It is not a bad idea. For years Office has been available for Mac, and yet Mac is still a failure.

You may want to check out the profits % of PC industry Mac takes in.

WhatTheSchmidt said,

yet Mac is still a failure. People buy Windows computers for Office........

You need a reality check! The Mac is successful. You might want to look into the profits Apple makes from the Mac. Let me guess, you are referring to market share? SMH!

It is interesting that it uses the Ribbon, sort of at least, paradigm and not the Radial one. I wonder what the Windows version will use.

Cosmocronos said,
It is interesting that it uses the Ribbon, sort of at least, paradigm and not the Radial one. I wonder what the Windows version will use.

Both? There's no reason not to have the ribbon and the radial dial UI. If you notice on desktop office when you do a right click anywhere you get the that popup edit menu with things like formatting and so on. The radial can act and show up in the same way on the metro versions, when you press and hold, otherwise you'll probably just click on the ribbon or do a swipe down to see the ribbon etc.

George P said,

Both? There's no reason not to have the ribbon and the radial dial UI. If you notice on desktop office when you do a right click anywhere you get the that popup edit menu with things like formatting and so on. The radial can act and show up in the same way on the metro versions, when you press and hold, otherwise you'll probably just click on the ribbon or do a swipe down to see the ribbon etc.

It could surely be but it seems strange that the only previously Metrofied Office app, OneNote Modern, has Radial but not Ribbon; make me wonder if MS is having second thoughts about Radial. Well, time will tell.....

Cosmocronos said,

It could surely be but it seems strange that the only previously Metrofied Office app, OneNote Modern, has Radial but not Ribbon; make me wonder if MS is having second thoughts about Radial. Well, time will tell.....

Radial works great for touch, and is great for OneNote because you want the full screen to write notes (typing or handwritten) and don't need or want a ribbon taking up space.

I can imagine ribbon working better with all the other Office apps.

rfirth said,

Radial works great for touch, and is great for OneNote because you want the full screen to write notes (typing or handwritten) and don't need or want a ribbon taking up space.

I can imagine ribbon working better with all the other Office apps.

I agree which is why the ribbon for metro office could be hidden like the app bar is, then with a swipe you would see it, or a kb shortcut etc.

Good news for iPad owners, and for Microsoft. It's good to see them being realistic and covering all markets. Maximizing their office market share is more important for Microsoft as a software company than restricting Office to their own OS. It'd be somewhat akin to cutting off your nose to spite your face.

none of [the third party office apps] were able to offer a native experience like a true Office for iPad solution will provide

I think that depends wildly on how you define "native". Metro office on an iPad doesn't even look remotely native. I think a better term would have been "offer a proper Microsoft Office experience".

This is really cool. I didn't like the idea at first, but to see how Office has grown from a software suite to a service suite is amazing. Love watching Office grow on both Windows and other platforms.

office for arm on the rt is just the same as the desktop office, which has way more features than the ipad apps, the modern office suite will be coming soon for arm on ms devices.

This will be better than anything else available on the iPad as far as office product, but the fact remains that the iPad itself lacks the operating system to be productive. You can't use a mouse on the iPad, and using a keyboard is.... well certainly not first nature. So the folks that say the Surface is dead because the iPad can run a watered down version of Office that make you want to scream because of your fat fingers and the on-screen keyboard taking half the real estate, might be exaggerating a wee bit don't ya think?

The iPad is only a tablet, whereas the Surface is a PC squished into the form of a tablet, with all that a PC gives you, mouse, keyboard, productivity and all, and if you just want to kick back and do what iPad owners do, simply un-click the keyboard and put your feet up on the desk.

THIS..

The touch interface is still way to crude to really create complex documents beyond dragging some pictures around. I think though that Office for iPad was long overdue, there's no denying that as a consumer device it's a major platform. Not sure if I want to be presenting any powerpoint stuff on the iPad though and when I want to use dual screen to hook up a projector is where I get stuck on iPad while Surface just keeps going..

paulheu said,
THIS..

The touch interface is still way to crude to really create complex documents beyond dragging some pictures around. I think though that Office for iPad was long overdue, there's no denying that as a consumer device it's a major platform. Not sure if I want to be presenting any powerpoint stuff on the iPad though and when I want to use dual screen to hook up a projector is where I get stuck on iPad while Surface just keeps going..

It technically isn't the 'touch' interface that limits the functionality/features. It is how iOS implements touch along with having a very limited mobile API set.

Word and Excel are 'big' programs, and getting them to run on the iPad requires a lot of sacrifice.

Damn that women presenting is annoying.. she talks way to fast and there's a series of definite nonos in here presentation.. A shame too there's not a Surface or Windows Phone in sight.

Co-ords said,
I just wonder what it will cost...

From the article:

Microsoft said that Word, Excel, Powerpoint will arrive in the app store at 11am PT/2PM EST for free to read and present content. If you want to edit content, you will need an Office 365 subscription.

Aletheia said,
Hmmm... I might be wrong, but it doesn't seem to be a full version of Office in Surface RT.

Not true, it is the full version, but it runs on the desktop which isn't built at all for tablets.

Dot Matrix said,

Not true, it is the full version, but it runs on the desktop which isn't built at all for tablets.


Wrong. It does run on the desktop BUT it has 'touch mode' enabled.

Dot Matrix said,

Not true, it is the full version, but it runs on the desktop which isn't built at all for tablets.

Personal experience and preferences vary... I use Office, including Outlook, all the time on my Tablet without any issue.

Dot Matrix said,

Not true, it is the full version, but it runs on the desktop which isn't built at all for tablets.

Even on your desktop you can turn on 'touch mode', try it.

Office 2013 on a tablet, even the 8" Windows tablets works really well with only touch.

Aletheia said,
Hmmm... I might be wrong, but it doesn't seem to be a full version of Office in Surface RT.
I address your original point. It is full Office minus the extensibility through com/vba/etc. (think addins etc.)

Mobius Enigma said,
Even on your desktop you can turn on 'touch mode', try it.

Office 2013 on a tablet, even the 8" Windows tablets works really well with only touch.

Agreed. The only complaint I have is having to manually pull up the keyboard. I wish they could fix that.

Mobius Enigma said,

Even on your desktop you can turn on 'touch mode', try it.

Office 2013 on a tablet, even the 8" Windows tablets works really well with only touch.

It may be "touch mode," but all that really does is spread out *tiny* UI elements more, so that they can be hit with your finger. It's still clunky at best. I had to buy a stylus for use with Office because of this.

MrHumpty said,
Agreed. The only complaint I have is having to manually pull up the keyboard. I wish they could fix that.

Put the 'Touch Keyboard' on your taskbar, then it is just a tap away.
(Taskbar -> Toolbars -> Touch Keyboard)

MrHumpty said,
Agreed. The only complaint I have is having to manually pull up the keyboard. I wish they could fix that.
This is my biggest problem by far with the on-screen keyboard in desktop mode. Boggles my mind how they have not fixed this in 8.1 and I think Update 1 as well. What is wrong with them?

Dot Matrix said,

It may be "touch mode," but all that really does is spread out *tiny* UI elements more, so that they can be hit with your finger. It's still clunky at best. I had to buy a stylus for use with Office because of this.

Aren't you happy? With a stylus you are now able to enjoy the true full glory of a Tablet powered by MS OS: handwriting! Write whatever you want and then either leave the text in cursive or have it turned into block letters....

Romero said,
This is my biggest problem by far with the on-screen keyboard in desktop mode. Boggles my mind how they have not fixed this in 8.1 and I think Update 1 as well. What is wrong with them?
You'd imagine they would have a way to fix the common controls to handle popping that up if no keyboard was connected. Obviously I don't expect them to fix it in custom controls. I'm sure there is a technical reason they haven't done it... from what I heard just adding the context menu to the start screen for update 1 to do the tile menu was a huge deal, technically.

Cosmocronos said,

Aren't you happy? With a stylus you are now able to enjoy the true full glory of a Tablet powered by MS OS: handwriting! Write whatever you want and then either leave the text in cursive or have it turned into block letters....

Handwriting is great! That's not my issue though. The issue remains that the desktop UI is not the greatest for small tablet devices, unless you have the space to set up a Surface on a table with the keyboard.

iPad is already being pulled into the workforce by iPad loving consumers who happen to be managers as well. The key to business success is through consumer success. Microsoft just gave Apple the key to their last succesful market.

They've massively devaluated Windows tablets. All Apple has to do now is offer a cheap dockingstation that attaches people's iPad to their desktop monitor and keyboard and Windows will be a thing of the past in a matter of years.

You would imagine Microsoft knows this. Having Word and Excel was what let to them becoming (almost) a monopoly during the 90's. It's software that sells hardware. And in today;s world its Apple that has the software through their appstore. All it was missing was office. Now that it has Office, all developers of business software will jump on iPad and leave Windows in the dust.

Ronnet said,
iPad is already being pulled into the workforce by iPad loving consumers who happen to be managers as well. The key to business success is through consumer success. Microsoft just gave Apple the key to their last succesful market.

They've massively devaluated Windows tablets. All Apple has to do now is offer a cheap dockingstation that attaches people's iPad to their desktop monitor and keyboard and Windows will be a thing of the past in a matter of years.

You would imagine Microsoft knows this. Having Word and Excel was what let to them becoming (almost) a monopoly during the 90's. It's software that sells hardware. And in today;s world its Apple that has the software through their appstore. All it was missing was office. Now that it has Office, all developers of business software will jump on iPad and leave Windows in the dust.

Maybe, but either way Microsoft will NOW be making money off the iPad users, which they weren't before.

People forget that Microsoft propped up the Mac in the 1980s and made it a non-toy for business users. Yet it didn't seem to hurt Microsoft, as they went from a tiny multi-million dollar company to the a huge multi-billion dollar company.

There are a lot of iPads out there, which means a lot of customers for a software company.

Even though it seems strange, Microsoft doesn't have to be a bully to make money by locking its doors to other platforms. (Ballmer did too much of this, and ironically it hurt not only Microsoft, but Windows as well.)

Ballmer locked all Microsoft goodness in a classic environment that didnt move on with its time. It hurt Microsoft because consumers couldnt get the content they wanted on their new devices so they had to look elsewhere.

I know its a bully move but MS should release their software on their new devices. Software sells hardware and Apple's appstore has the software in today's world. Microsoft has Office, I'm sure it would have greatly helped move Windows tablets to the modern work environment. Now companies have it on their iPads. It validates the iPad as a productivity device. More apps will come that sync with the full business apps on Windows. Eventually Windows will move to the dark corner of the office as run the server while employees work on Apple devices.

Ronnet said,
Ballmer locked all Microsoft goodness in a classic environment that didnt move on with its time. It hurt Microsoft because consumers couldnt get the content they wanted on their new devices so they had to look elsewhere.

I know its a bully move but MS should release their software on their new devices. Software sells hardware and Apple's appstore has the software in today's world. Microsoft has Office, I'm sure it would have greatly helped move Windows tablets to the modern work environment. Now companies have it on their iPads. It validates the iPad as a productivity device. More apps will come that sync with the full business apps on Windows. Eventually Windows will move to the dark corner of the office as run the server while employees work on Apple devices.

The iPad 'movement' isn't going anywhere anytime soon, and Microsoft was only hurting itself by ignoring it. Instead, things like Apple's software and Google Docs were making inroads with business customers, which Microsoft can't afford to lose by ignoring the iPad or Android. (It would be different if the iPad was new, but it old now.)

As for being fully accepted by business, some will, but with limited features, some won't and won't be able to use it still. There is a lot of enterprise software that runs on top of the Office platform, and it still will not run on iPads. So these customers will still choose Windows 8 tablets, as it can run their software that integrates and runs on Office.

Like I said, Microsoft legitimized the Mac in the 1980s, it had business credibility directly because of Microsoft Word and Microsoft Excel.

However, it never hurt Microsoft as the 1990s and Windows's success demonstrates.

Strangely, the success on the Mac helped to legitimize Windows 3.x once it had Word and Excel, as they had credibility in the Mac and GUI world.

Windows users still have an advantage on most tablets because Office is free on them, and they also have a more complete version of Office.

Mobius Enigma said,

Maybe, but either way Microsoft will NOW be making money off the iPad users, which they weren't before.

I think they'll be reaping profits far more from businesses subscribing to Office than individual users.

Apple is actually making money off MS's back. Apple gets 30% of every Office 365 subscription!

Mobius Enigma said,

Maybe, but either way Microsoft will NOW be making money off the iPad users, which they weren't before.

People forget that Microsoft propped up the Mac in the 1980s and made it a non-toy for business users. Yet it didn't seem to hurt Microsoft, as they went from a tiny multi-million dollar company to the a huge multi-billion dollar company.

There are a lot of iPads out there, which means a lot of customers for a software company.

Even though it seems strange, Microsoft doesn't have to be a bully to make money by locking its doors to other platforms. (Ballmer did too much of this, and ironically it hurt not only Microsoft, but Windows as well.)

DoctorD said,
I noticed the last line....for Free, its the cut down web app version.

Which meets the need of 95-99% of their users. Office was the only reason why tablet owners turned on their PCs once a month. And then only to write a letter or make a simple presentation.

DoctorD said,
I noticed the last line....for Free, its the cut down web app version.

It's free to view, not create or edit. You need Office 365 for that.

DoctorD said,
I noticed the last line....for Free, its the cut down web app version.

Apparently you didn't read anything else. The line immediately before the one about the read-only version being free states: "The app is also native..." so no, it's not a web app version. You have to pay for the 365 subscription to get edit capabilities though, that's how they're going to make money.

Ronnet said,

Which meets the need of 95-99% of their users. Office was the only reason why tablet owners turned on their PCs once a month. And then only to write a letter or make a simple presentation.

Nope, the free version will not allow editing or creating content. You need to have an Office 365 subscription for that..

paulheu said,

Nope, the free version will not allow editing or creating content. You need to have an Office 365 subscription for that..

Hopefully it will stay that way. Otherwise its over for Microsoft on the consumer market (and business market as well, in the long run).

Still having Office on iPad is as much a real as well as symbolic victory for iPad. It might not change much in the consumer market but in business people will be able to use iPads more often. Developers of business software can be more sure about developing their applications for the Appstore.

When that happens it no longer matters that Windows tablets can run the legacy applications of the cooperation. Managers can use their iPad (viewer) app to get to the data.

Somewhere, Tim Cook is flipping tables...

But unless they release a Windows 8 version with this, they've just shot Windows tablets in the chest at point blank range.

heatlesssun said,
They said that an Android and Windows Modern version is coming.

It's been "coming" since forever now. We'll see Half Life 3 before we see Office for Windows 8.

Dot Matrix said,
But unless they release a Windows 8 version with this, they've just shot Windows tablets in the chest at point blank range.

Doesn't the Surface already have office? Even the Surface RT?

cyrl said,

Doesn't the Surface already have office? Even the Surface RT?

It has Office, but it runs on the desktop, which isn't desirable in these cases.

Dot Matrix said,

It has Office, but it runs on the desktop, which isn't desirable in these cases.

On a Surface it is. It comes with a keyboard and mousepad. And when you want to be productive you usually sit down to do so. Its only a bit difficult when you're standing and want to point out stuff. Which is why documents launch in viewmode, which is touchfriendly in design.

But not all Windows tablets look like that. Many are like the iPad. They definately need to release touch Office ASAP.

Dot Matrix said,

It has Office, but it runs on the desktop, which isn't desirable in these cases.

Speak for yourself, as a Surface RT owner I beg to differ. I happen to like Office RT as desktop apps, and I'm not going to be doing much document editing without a keyboard, if I can avoid it anyway. Even so, it supports touch just fine.

The iPad has been out for 4 years now, Windows 8.x, less than two. The modern version of Office is expected to be out by this summer according to the more reliable rumor mills. And I wouldn't be surprised if something is said about it at Build next week.

Dot Matrix said,
Somewhere, Tim Cook is flipping tables...

But unless they release a Windows 8 version with this, they've just shot Windows tablets in the chest at point blank range.

Yet Windows 8 has the FULL version of Office, no need for a limited feature version.

I'm surprised people type this stuff without a sarcasm tag.

Dot Matrix said,

It has Office, but it runs on the desktop, which isn't desirable in these cases.

Really running on the Desktop impairs it how exactly?

It adjusts the UI for touch users, has full Stylus support (something the iPad never will) and also has the full set of features that a limited Mobile API OS like iOS will not be able to fully support.

These arguments are just silly.

heatlesssun said,
They said that an Android and Windows Modern version is coming.

Did they say Android? I dont think they did. I dont doubt they will include it for android but I think they said Windows Store and other platforms as well. It could be for things like Kindle, Nook(?), nokia forked store. Probably Android too but I didnt hear them say it exactly. Probably because they are on not so great terms with Google ;).

Scabrat said,

Did they say Android? I dont think they did. I dont doubt they will include it for android but I think they said Windows Store and other platforms as well. It could be for things like Kindle, Nook(?), nokia forked store. Probably Android too but I didnt hear them say it exactly. Probably because they are on not so great terms with Google ;).


Hee said "cross-platforms"; MS strategy is , correctly IMO, to cover and saturate the market for productivity software/ Office regardless of the underlying OS. Android is the biggest pond and would be foolish to ignore it and miss the potential revenues.

Dot Matrix said,
Somewhere, Tim Cook is flipping tables...

But unless they release a Windows 8 version with this, they've just shot Windows tablets in the chest at point blank range.

Really? Somehow I think it's the exact opposite - I should imagine he's really quite happy that Office is available for the iPad. Just think of the additional enterprise adoption this will help the iPad gain.

Ronnet said,

On a Surface it is. It comes with a keyboard and mousepad.


No it doesn't. You have to buy it seperately. You can buy a keyboard case for an iPad as well.

Dot Matrix said,

But unless they release a Windows 8 version with this, they've just shot Windows tablets in the chest at point blank range.

awwww

I would imagine sometime shortly after the spring update to 8.1 is released they will release the modern office too, it has been in the works for sometime now and I believe its almost ready for release. This will be a much more feature complete version than what ios is getting.

.Neo said,

No it doesn't. You have to buy it seperately. You can buy a keyboard case for an iPad as well.

The difference is that the Surface is designed to have an keyboard attachment. Microsoft's vision for tablets includes keyboard. Which is why their OS is a mix of touch and mouse environments that you can switch between. Microsoft might have decided to sell a version without keyboard but clearly it wasnt designed as such. When they announced Surface is was a tablet with a keyboard.

Ronnet said,
The difference is that the Surface is designed to have an keyboard attachment. Microsoft's vision for tablets includes keyboard. Which is why their OS is a mix of touch and mouse environments that you can switch between. Microsoft might have decided to sell a version without keyboard but clearly it wasnt designed as such. When they announced Surface is was a tablet with a keyboard.

Fact is Surface doesn't come with keyboard and mouse by default even though Microsoft and some people like to pretend it does. Probably the only reason the desktop environment is still there in Windows RT is because Microsoft didn't have time to develop a 100% touch experience for the OS and Office. It's a stopgap solution.

Dot Matrix said,

It's been "coming" since forever now. We'll see Half Life 3 before we see Office for Windows 8.


Sorry but applications like Office are big endeavours; even for big enterrprises. They only announced it a year ago; overreacting much?

Personally I don't think they should have released it. This definitely can't help the Surface in the future, especially as far as corporate buyers are concerned.

I think Windows PC hardware OEMS should have opposed this move to as ipad tablet sales eat into so much of their pc sales. Now this is one less, but major, reason for people to buy those pc's.

It's more for the benefit of the company as a whole, despite the possibility of it hurting one of it's product lines.

Ms is trying to to transition from a software sales company to a more cloud, services company. Something Google was born as and Apple has done already for the most part.

From business point of view and strategic point of view this is definitely the right move. maybe it cannot help surface, you're right but surface should have (and I think it already has) its own value not the value brought into it because of office. besides, for end users they need subscription for Office on ipad but they donot need subscription for surface.

etacarinae said,
No one cares about or wants Surface. This is the right step for MSFT.

Surface is actually a good machine. I use one everyday with my normal system and we have a few at work. Never had a problem with them either.

etacarinae said,
No one cares about or wants Surface. This is the right step for MSFT.

Right that's why it's selling out at Windows Stores inside Best Buys and Future Shops here in Canada (I know someone who works there and they've been selling like hot cakes). There is a high demand for it. But Office is a SERVICE, which is available for all devices.

etacarinae said,
No one cares about or wants Surface. This is the right step for MSFT.

surface isn't really the issue, it is their relevance long term. you can't count on office forever as google basically torpedoes it for free and eventually without windows, why use it?

Not only have we Replaced our iPads with Surface Pro and RTs. We went from 6 iPads to 60+ and growing Surfaces.

You can just do so much more, on a Surface.

Microsoft is a Devices and Services company. The only software mantra has died out. Office is now an amazing service available regarding what device you use, with Windows bringing the best experience.

MikadoWu said,
Not only have we Replaced our iPads with Surface Pro and RTs. We went from 6 iPads to 60+ and growing Surfaces.

You can just do so much more, on a Surface.

With what apps..pro is just another convertible laptop containing windows.

neonspark said,

surface isn't really the issue, it is their relevance long term. you can't count on office forever as google basically torpedoes it for free and eventually without windows, why use it?

Torpedoes it for free? I dont think so. It may provide a small sail boat for free but no where near the luxury cruise liner Office is. But you gotta pay for it =).

Also, where is Windows going? Besides mobile. I dont think Windows is going to be going bye-bye in the next decade and probably much longer.

macrosslover said,
Personally I don't think they should have released it. This definitely can't help the Surface in the future, especially as far as corporate buyers are concerned.
I would not be so sure as it looks to me that the actual options are fairly limited against full PC word and I very much doubt macros will or even can work on iPad. It's another example of a good watered down version to keep the masses happy but for real work you still need the real thing and on Windows tablets you get the real thing.

macrosslover said,
Personally I don't think they should have released it. This definitely can't help the Surface in the future, especially as far as corporate buyers are concerned.

If by Surface you mean the ARM variant then no, it won't help Surface but Corporate buyers weren't buying it anyway. Corporate buyers will likely opt for the full Windows 8+ tablet experience not the RT variant and the Full Desktop Office already works fine on there (though I'm surprised they released this before the Metro version of Office)

The future of Windows on ARM is likely to merge with Windows Phone on the low end (Which should run the Metro Office) and to evolve into a Windows Server variant for the upcoming 64bit ARM systems.

macrosslover said,

I think Windows PC hardware OEMS should have opposed this move to as ipad tablet sales eat into so much of their pc sales. Now this is one less, but major, reason for people to buy those pc's.

PC Hardware OEMs don't tell MS what software to release. PC hardware OEMs didn't want MS to release surface and compete with them in the first place but MS doesn't listen to them any more then Intel listens to MS about supporting Linux and Android and such. These companies are going to do what is in their own best interest and when their interests align they'll work together and when they don't they won't. As it should be.

macrosslover said,
Personally I don't think they should have released it. This definitely can't help the Surface in the future, especially as far as corporate buyers are concerned.

I think Windows PC hardware OEMS should have opposed this move to as ipad tablet sales eat into so much of their pc sales. Now this is one less, but major, reason for people to buy those pc's.

A LIMITED version of Office is no comparison to the full versions you get on Surface.

The iPad version is not much more than a glorified version of Office on the Web.

Mobius Enigma said,

A LIMITED version of Office is no comparison to the full versions you get on Surface.

The iPad version is not much more than a glorified version of Office on the Web.

I thought it was more full featured than the online one?

Scabrat said,

I thought it was more full featured than the online one?

It does, but to what scale I'd say it's only a bit ahead than the free web versions and quite short of full desktop office. One thing people have to remember is that if you want to do any work on these apps you HAVE to have a Office 365 subscription, that's the key, otherwise they're just fancy viewers and nothing more.

One way, and I expect this will be true, that MS can still keep Windows and the Surface ahead is for the Pro version to come with full desktop office for free, and or the Windows Store apps can work fully without a Office 365 subscription. I'd jump on the metro touch versions if I didn't have to have a Office 365 sub.

paulheu said,
I would not be so sure as it looks to me that the actual options are fairly limited against full PC word and I very much doubt macros will or even can work on iPad. It's another example of a good watered down version to keep the masses happy but for real work you still need the real thing and on Windows tablets you get the real thing.

Can you run Macro on the Surface RT)? I thought you couldn't.

I love the Surface but let's face it, there are way more iPads out there because the iPad is the cool thing to have. Now finally the iPad is more useful than tapping away aimlessly for games.

FalseAgent said,
I love the Surface but let's face it, there are way more iPads out there because the iPad is the cool thing to have. Now finally the iPad is more useful than tapping away aimlessly for games.

I loved the dig on iPads today. Something like, "iPads have always been the cool thing but now it can be smart, too." LOL!

Mobius Enigma said,
A LIMITED version of Office is no comparison to the full versions you get on Surface.

The version you get on the Surface RT / 2 very much is limited, as it's only a personal licence (i.e. it can't be used professionally) and it's not optimised for touch (it's simply the desktop version).

theyarecomingforyou said,

The version you get on the Surface RT / 2 very much is limited, as it's only a personal licence (i.e. it can't be used professionally) and it's not optimised for touch (it's simply the desktop version).

It's not limited in the way he was talking about, though. As you said, it's the full desktop version. That's about as unlimited as you can get, other than the home use license. I wouldn't call that very much limited.

Every time you attempt to type out a full Word document with an on-screen touch keyboard, god kills a kitten... and gives you -9001 productivity.

Mobius Enigma said,
A LIMITED version of Office is no comparison to the full versions you get on Surface.

The iPad version is not much more than a glorified version of Office on the Web.


I get what you're saying, but doesn't the Surface suffer from lack of macro support due to the ARM processor? That's what I've understood coming from Microsoft at least.

The Office experience on the iPad is just as useful as most other productivity apps on the iPad... and that is its effectively LOW-FIDELITY. Yeah a few students and casual users will be ok, however if you want to do anything serious in HI-FIDELITY you will still need the business or Surface versions of Office.
Unfortunately for iPad, it still lacks rich Hi-Fidelity interaction methods. Such as Mouse, Real Stylus' and Full Keyboards.

Just remember the version you get with the surface 2 and others win 8.1 tablets is the full suite that lets you edit and stuff and includes outlook, the apps for the ipad are free but you can only read and view stuff with it. to be able to edit you will need a 365 subscription, which is good for ms

Mr.XXIV said,

With what apps..pro is just another convertible laptop containing windows.


I thought that too but my wife love her surface pro. she uses the pen alot. taking notes. considering its performance its actually the lightest windows tablet or convertible in the market. she just loves it. I personally wished it was lighter. at least half a pound lighter

I'm sorry but Apple has pretty much failed with the majority of their Cloud Services Initiatives.. iCloud is only just starting to pick up some steam after a catastrophic start, They have a lot of work to do to catch up to Google's and Microsoft's services. Face it, Apple is pretty much a Devices only company with a very small software arm. The number of products that Apple actually makes money on I could list on one hand.

korupt_one said,
and of course it doesn't include outlook

true, although the rumor mills is that Gemini/Office metro will not include Outlook as well.
IMO if you want/need the full show.... Office for desktop is, at least in the mid term, the way to go.

j2006 said,

Right that's why it's selling out at Windows Stores inside Best Buys and Future Shops here in Canada (I know someone who works there and they've been selling like hot cakes). There is a high demand for it. But Office is a SERVICE, which is available for all devices.
Interesting because I just checked futureshop.ca and all the models are in stock online (including the old surface 1) and all the stores around me had stocks for pretty much every skus (some stores were missing 1-2, but a store close by had it). This is for the Ottawa/Gatineau region

The differentiating factor between Surface and iPad is that Office is completely free on the Surface, whereas you can only use the Premium version on the iPad if you have a valid Office 365 subscription.

rfirth said,
Every time you attempt to type out a full Word document with an on-screen touch keyboard, god kills a kitten... and gives you -9001 productivity.

And how do you think it works on the Surface without the keyboard accessory? The point is that this is the first release of a touch-optimised version of Office, as the Surface version is simply the desktop version ported to ARM. Criticising the form factor of tablets misses the point.

theyarecomingforyou said,

And how do you think it works on the Surface without the keyboard accessory? The point is that this is the first release of a touch-optimised version of Office, as the Surface version is simply the desktop version ported to ARM. Criticising the form factor of tablets misses the point.

I use the touch version of OneNote on my Surface to take notes. It's awesome for handwritten notes. But that's the only Office app that you can reasonably use without a mouse/keyboard without going crazy.

I'd rather eat grass than edit any document on a tablet without a keyboard/mouse, touch optimized or not.