Pakistan blocking YouTube and Facebook

Pakistan is blocking the video sharing website YouTube one day after ISPs in the country received a court order to block Facebook. BBC News is saying reports are leading them to believe a number of Wikipedia and Flickr pages are also being censored. Pakistani officials say YouTube has been blocked because of its "growing sacrilegious content". 

Reuters reported on Wednesday the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) told ISPs to indefinitely block access to Facebook due to a group on the website named "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day", a competition to be held on May 20. The move comes despite the Lahore High Court decision to only temporarily ban access to the website until May 31. Facebook began to be unavailable on computers in Pakistan late afternoon on Wednesday but mobile devices still appeared to have access. 

TechCrunch has noted the controversial group has prompted a large response from some of Pakistan's 45 million Facebook users. The users have set up online campaigns and the Islamic Lawyers Forum also filed a petition to the Lahore High Court for the ban. The controversy has arisen because the representation of the Prophet Mohammed is seen as blasphemous and un-Islamic to Muslims.

The PTA has welcomed representatives from YouTube and Facebook to address the issue in a way that "ensures religious harmony and respect". AP reports that Facebook is investigating the issue saying, "While the content does not violate our terms, we do understand it may not be legal in some countries". 

The Lahore High Court will open a hearing into the Facebook case after the official temporary ban is lifted on May 31. YouTube was also blocked in 2007 for around a year for similar reasons but it is unclear how long the current ban will last. 

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and u idiots.....we don't want money or gold...we'll wait till the doomsday and get sumthing better than money...huh.....u people got nuthing except money..and naked women!!=p bwahahah....it's so funny i mean why are we arguing 'bout sumthing which is so crystal clear.....

i'm talking to all the MUSLIMS around here...u see we don't argue with stupid non-muslims...it's understood that Islam is the best relegion...these people are fighting a war which is already lost...and let me clear that Islam is a peaceful relegion..these are not real Muslim those who do blasts etc etc.....and when it comes to the people who made that page,they will have ti pay back.....and they'll have to burn in hell(afterlife)....we respect our families and we know that we MUSLIMS are far better than others......atleast our women don't walk around the beach wearing two peace of fabric,got it????......from here we get to know that our women are worth respect!!=)

These guys from pakistan should worry more that their people earn 40 times less than guys from States, so if your religion is "true" so why are you so poor? And if you are so poor, why the hell you are teaching other what should they do?

lexp said,
These guys from pakistan should worry more that their people earn 40 times less than guys from States, so if your religion is "true" so why are you so poor? And if you are so poor, why the hell you are teaching other what should they do?

Why is this anything to do with which religion is 'truer'? As far as I'm concerned, all religious people in any country are nutcases.

Edited by Dessimat0r, May 22 2010, 8:57pm :

"Religion is the opiate of the masses." (c)

This applies especially to islam that behaves like religion of hate. Basically it is just not compatible with modern world and because of that we see so many people from the middle ages crying about mohammads and pictures and cartoons. According to them it is OK to call to "kill all Jews" but it is not OK to draw pictures of some mohammad.

muslims - you should definitely grow up or you will always live in poorest countries that everybody sees as "HOLE".

nitroxhotshot said,
probably a plus side.. cut them off from the rest of the world. may stop terrorism!

Lol , Try this and u are so effin dead.

-=imaak=- said,

Lol , Try this and u are so effin dead.

doubt it......i think we might live in peace. Sorry but people like YOU who keep saying that the muslim religion is good, keep making very very easy examples as to why it is SOOOO DAAMMMM BAD!

Believe in what ever you wan to believe, but the minute you tell me i will die for the way i live which is not the same way you WANT ME to live we have a problem.

Religion is a joke for this very reason, it hinders the free flowing of ideas and progress, and is used by governments as a way to instill fear and control people. Would the dark ages have happened had it not been for religion? How much more advanced would we be today if not for that period of time? Having faith in your God is one thing, allowing that faith to influence your ability to critically think is another.

P.S. Don't ask about my religious preference(Yes I do have one), if I announce alignment to a particular group then it makes it easy for people to generalize and judge me based on their idea of what that particular group should be like.

CoMMo said,
Religion is a joke for this very reason, it hinders the free flowing of ideas and progress, and is used by governments as a way to instill fear and control people. Would the dark ages have happened had it not been for religion? How much more advanced would we be today if not for that period of time? Having faith in your God is one thing, allowing that faith to influence your ability to critically think is another.

P.S. Don't ask about my religious preference(Yes I do have one), if I announce alignment to a particular group then it makes it easy for people to generalize and judge me based on their idea of what that particular group should be like.

The Dark Ages? You mean the period of time after the fall of the Roman empire? The time when all of Europe became so divided in war and conflict that barely any knowledge survived? If there is no free flow of information for any reason, including the lack of information that was happening during the Dark Ages, people turn to the only thing that makes any sense. Guess what that happened to be. Religion didn't put use in the Dark Ages. It was even the reason we left the Dark Ages as it brought religion unity to Europe. If you really think about it, the problems in the Catholic Church with its abuse of power is was caused the enlightenment to even happen. The very thing you claim held us back happens to be the reason that we moved forward at all. Had the Catholic Church not abused its power and attempted to control information, people wouldn't have become unhappy and rebelled which means we would still be stuck in those times. The Dark Ages didn't start because of religion, they ended because of religion. Get your history straight as anyone that barely paid attention in history class knows that. At the very least you can look it up on google before making such a retarded claim.

Edited by SputnikGamer, May 21 2010, 2:33am :

Yeah this is how it is with most Islamic extremists. It is our way or a body bag. They kill their own family members over religious convictions or in this case send death threats to innocent people that draw cartoons......If they want the entire world to stop hating them then they have to stop killing people over religion. If you are such a religion fanatic then how can it be ALRIGHT to murder somebody??? In what way does God condone this???

ManOfMystery said,
Yeah this is how it is with most Islamic extremists. It is our way or a body bag. They kill their own family members over religious convictions or in this case send death threats to innocent people that draw cartoons......If they want the entire world to stop hating them then they have to stop killing people over religion. If you are such a religion fanatic then how can it be ALRIGHT to murder somebody??? In what way does God condone this???

there are more than a BILLION Muslims in the world. since 9/11 (this is the point when world started 'hating' Muslims, lets say 100,000 news about Muslims deaths came into headline that because of the media hype. I an US shool teenager kills a dozen of his school mates its a 'teenager' killing, trust me if it were a Muslim teenager ... the headlines would be very diffrent. not 100% of the crimes commited by Muslims are connected with Islam.

stop being brain washed by the media.

waqastariq said,

there are more than a BILLION Muslims in the world. since 9/11 (this is the point when world started 'hating' Muslims, lets say 100,000 news about Muslims deaths came into headline that because of the media hype. I an US shool teenager kills a dozen of his school mates its a 'teenager' killing, trust me if it were a Muslim teenager ... the headlines would be very diffrent. not 100% of the crimes commited by Muslims are connected with Islam.

stop being brain washed by the media.

It's honestly hilarious to hear you talk about being brain-washed. These are getting funnier and funnier as I read.

I can't help but notice that
A( No one really makes fun of atheists
B( Atheists don't try to force atheism on others
C( French fires taste really good dipped in milkshake

omnicoder said,
I can't help but notice that
A( No one really makes fun of atheists
B( Atheists don't try to force atheism on others
C( French fires taste really good dipped in milkshake

Damnit now I have an urge to get a milkshake when i get off work!

omnicoder said,
I can't help but notice that
A( No one really makes fun of atheists
B( Atheists don't try to force atheism on others
C( French fires taste really good dipped in milkshake

+1 for part C

Whats your email waqastariq, I'll send one over cause I could care less. The hatred your religion spews because of what another person does is the reason you all are hated.

There is no religion in the WORLD except islam that will kill another human being because of a picture.

Sub said,
Whats your email waqastariq, I'll send one over cause I could care less. The hatred your religion spews because of what another person does is the reason you all are hated.

There is no religion in the WORLD except islam that will kill another human being because of a picture.

If you are so liberal, accept that Islam is like this. and please Islam is not just a RELIGON its a complete way of life and has LAWS descibed in it so yes killing someone is also described.. and no I dont want a picture of your mom, I dont know about you but I respect women.

waqastariq said,

If you are so liberal, accept that Islam is like this. and please Islam is not just a RELIGON its a complete way of life and has LAWS descibed in it so yes killing someone is also described.. and no I dont want a picture of your mom, I dont know about you but I respect women.

i love how he proves our point....so easy too. tisk tisk tisk.

waqastariq said,

If you are so liberal, accept that Islam is like this. and please Islam is not just a RELIGON its a complete way of life and has LAWS descibed in it so yes killing someone is also described.. and no I dont want a picture of your mom, I dont know about you but I respect women.

Either you respect women or you are not Muslim. You can't have both. This only applies to you and not other Muslims unless they believe exactly as you believe. You are so staunchly Muslim that you thing the depiction of another human is a sin and insult. If you truly believe that, you must be a "true" Muslim and believe that women have no rights in society. The vary people you are defending for making death threats would say you are not true to the religion. So you tell us. Are you a Muslim by the standards someone you defend says are the standards or do you respect women? You can't have both though based on who you are defending.

SputnikGamer said,

Either you respect women or you are not Muslim. You can't have both. This only applies to you and not other Muslims unless they believe exactly as you believe. You are so staunchly Muslim that you thing the depiction of another human is a sin and insult. If you truly believe that, you must be a "true" Muslim and believe that women have no rights in society. The vary people you are defending for making death threats would say you are not true to the religion. So you tell us. Are you a Muslim by the standards someone you defend says are the standards or do you respect women? You can't have both though based on who you are defending.


Your so stupid, you and you TV's telling you how the world looks like. come here and you will see what Muslims are,

atleast we dont dump our elders to nursing homes were they die a lonely death we keep them with us respect them and they die happly...

There so much you dont know about Muslims. if I goto the poorest place in US with a camera film the poverty and ccrimes being commited there and potray to the world that this is US would it be right?

stop getting brainwashed.

SputnikGamer said,

Either you respect women or you are not Muslim. You can't have both. This only applies to you and not other Muslims unless they believe exactly as you believe. You are so staunchly Muslim that you thing the depiction of another human is a sin and insult. If you truly believe that, you must be a "true" Muslim and believe that women have no rights in society. The vary people you are defending for making death threats would say you are not true to the religion. So you tell us. Are you a Muslim by the standards someone you defend says are the standards or do you respect women? You can't have both though based on who you are defending.

-1
If "Respect" means using ladies like whores , then yea.
We Don't have such Respect for women.

U seriously seem to be misguided by sumone.
Islam is the only religion in which a women is fully respected.
& If u want proofs , i can give a ton of em. !

-=imaak=- said,

-1
If "Respect" means using ladies like whores , then yea.
We Don't have such Respect for women.

U seriously seem to be misguided by sumone.
Islam is the only religion in which a women is fully respected.
& If u want proofs , i can give a ton of em. !

Somehow I don't think the women on this site are going to appreciate you calling them a whore for not wanting to cover every inch of their body including their face to the point of no one actually having an idea of what they look like or not even knowing what colors there eyes are. Just because you can't look at a women's face and not think perverted thoughts doesn't mean everyone else can't.

waqastariq said,

Your so stupid, you and you TV's telling you how the world looks like. come here and you will see what Muslims are,

atleast we dont dump our elders to nursing homes were they die a lonely death we keep them with us respect them and they die happly...

There so much you dont know about Muslims. if I goto the poorest place in US with a camera film the poverty and ccrimes being commited there and potray to the world that this is US would it be right?

stop getting brainwashed.

The exact same "Muslims", the ones you are defending have every right to kill people of other faiths for not believing what you believe, are the ones that give women no rights. If you believe that you have the right to kill anyone that draws a picture of a human that has little to no value to other people, then you fall into the same group of radicals that have no rights for women because they are the same people.

Its amusing to see you or anyone else say someone watches to much TV when you don't even know me. If you did, you would know I don't have Satellite, Cable, or anything else. It is kind of impossible to watch TV.

-=imaak=- said,

U seriously seem to be misguided by sumone.
Islam is the only religion in which a women is fully respected.
& If u want proofs , i can give a ton of em. !
Go for it...entertain me

waqastariq said,

If you are so liberal, accept that Islam is like this. and please Islam is not just a RELIGON its a complete way of life and has LAWS descibed in it so yes killing someone is also described.. and no I dont want a picture of your mom, I dont know about you but I respect women.

I highly HIGHLY doubt that. Especially if you're so totally engrossed in your "complete way of life". Tell me, are your women allowed to drive a car in your country yet? Or is that still too risky?

waqastariq said,
So my freedom of speech is chalanged here as im not been given the 'right' to speak what I wish to... waytogo.
You're just being childish, stop ****posting.

waqastariq said,
So my freedom of speech is chalanged here as im not been given the 'right' to speak what I wish to... waytogo.

What you fail to realize, this site is privately owned and they don't have to offer or give you that 'right'.

iamwhoiam said,

What you fail to realize, this site is privately owned and they don't have to offer or give you that 'right'.

my bad

For everyone who thinks this is wrong, and there should be freedom of speech and all... send me your mom's pictures and ill draw her sucking my dic* ill see then how you 'tolerate' that.

waqastariq said,
For everyone who thinks this is wrong, and there should be freedom of speech and all... send me your mom's pictures and ill draw her sucking my dic* ill see then how you 'tolerate' that.

Making a point here. I mean no offence to anybody.

waqastariq said,
For everyone who thinks this is wrong, and there should be freedom of speech and all... send me your mom's pictures and ill draw her sucking my dic* ill see then how you 'tolerate' that.

Terrible example. My mother's photo is not on the internet. My mother was not implicated in any horrific but spiritual events. My mother has never been a political cartoon.

Man, just because some groups out there, claiming themselves to be the Allah's soldiers, have start killing innocent in the name of religion, doesn't mean that Islam permits such acts. And, I must add, that these people really are a minority, but just because they have started voicing their opinions loudly, they are getting themselves heard, and the average Muslim bears the burden of their insane acts.

And believe me, Islam stands for peace, and most of us really do want peace. War never is, and never has been the solution to any problem. Some people have just misinterpreted the Islamic and Quranic teachings to achieve their ends.

Not every Muslim is intolerant, nor is everyone out their to kill you. Try not to stereotype us.

I find it hilarious that when a group of people like Jews or Christians get made fun of its funny and we should all relax, but when we poke fun at Muslims all of the sudden there is this sudden outcry of offense and injustice.

Talk about double standards. If your going to make fun of other religions, then you had better grow a spine when Islam is being made fun of. There is nothing worse then a hypocrite.

autobon said,
I find it hilarious that when a group of people like Jews or Christians get made fun of its funny and we should all relax, but when we poke fun at Muslims all of the sudden there is this sudden outcry of offense and injustice.

Talk about double standards. If your going to make fun of other religions, then you had better grow a spine when Islam is being made fun of. There is nothing worse then a hypocrite.

race works the same way (wheres white entertainment television, wheres white college foundations, wheres white people getting free education for having a white person in thier family tree). its the way of life, just gotta deal with it.

autobon said,
I find it hilarious that when a group of people like Jews or Christians get made fun of its funny and we should all relax, but when we poke fun at Muslims all of the sudden there is this sudden outcry of offense and injustice.

Talk about double standards. If your going to make fun of other religions, then you had better grow a spine when Islam is being made fun of. There is nothing worse then a hypocrite.

???????? doublewhat ?????
didn't you know , that islam does't permit to draw jesus and moses too ?

yep sound about it :rollingeyes:

tablet_user said,

race works the same way (wheres white entertainment television, wheres white college foundations, wheres white people getting free education for having a white person in thier family tree). its the way of life, just gotta deal with it.

A REAL MUSLIM NEVER EVER MAKES FUN OF Other religions.

The people out there, who drew the cartoons in first place, and those who are took up the initiative for today's day, know fully well that Muslims will get offended by all this. But still they did this.
To us, it is direct attack on our beliefs and religion. Unintentional hurting someone is one thing, but openly mocking and ridiculing someone is something that rarely anyone would tolerate. And it is not the ideas of a single person I am talking about here, but a whole community.
And whatever may be the reason, one should take care of others ideas and beliefs.

Let me ask the people here who are in favor of the today's event:
How will you react if I just start campaigning to draw the Jewish Holocaust by the Nazis? And just ask everyone to make it look really funny, just for the sake of seeing the the Jews react in return??

jawad89 said,
The people out there, who drew the cartoons in first place, and those who are took up the initiative for today's day, know fully well that Muslims will get offended by all this. But still they did this.
To us, it is direct attack on our beliefs and religion. Unintentional hurting someone is one thing, but openly mocking and ridiculing someone is something that rarely anyone would tolerate. And it is not the ideas of a single person I am talking about here, but a whole community.
And whatever may be the reason, one should take care of others ideas and beliefs.

Let me ask the people here who are in favor of the today's event:
How will you react if I just start campaigning to draw the Jewish Holocaust by the Nazis? And just ask everyone to make it look really funny, just for the sake of seeing the the Jews react in return??

The difference being that the Holocaust actually happened! There is documented proof/evidence. Religion, however, is based on heresay and story telling. ANYONE who believes ANY religion is a total DUMBASS and those who defend it like it's a new born child are worse than that! Don't you realise that the whole of civilised society is laughing at you for being such a gullible fool!

I think people need to lighten up. The best humour comes from making fun on other religions/race 9including your own). Look at Chris Rock for example. If you can't have a sense of humour about yourself, then I'm sorry but you are being uptight. Yes, sometimes you can go too far, but this is petty.

So many other regions are made fun of.. i don't see them sending death threats, why is it the Muslim world seems so easy flustered by what others say or Draw... what is really going on here.. is the Muslim Religion Superior to others that they must NOT to be "made fun of" ...

i have been living in the "western world" for about 10 years now. I do understand that the freedom of speech is necessary but how come even in the so called free countries, if someone say anything against holocaust then that person can be thrown in the jail (if i am not wrong it happened in Germany and Switzerland) now i also do understand that there are laws for them but come on, isn't that also freedom of speech that someone can deny it all he/she wants.

Also does the freedom of speech include freedom to slander? If so this means anyone can come in and slander whether it is proven or not?

There have to be a line drawn where the freedom of speech ends and hurting other fellow human beings start

Also people who are stating that "oh they started it" simply it was a group of 10 ~20 people in NY (I maybe wrong about the place) who made that statement, if that is the case then why put more than 2.5 billion people through this when they have nothing to do with it

I agree it doesn't. It's an ancient Iron Age cancer that needs eradication. And that eradication process is stimulated and nurtured by more open dialog and free thinking peoples voices NOT being suppressed or silenced. (like Facebook case cited here) and not censorship or total blocking. Governments and churches have never wanted FREE THOUGHT. They prefer FREE MONEY. Sometimes it seems that 100% of ALL the world's historical documents have just vanished. Religion has ALWAYS been oppressive in intent and effect. 2 quick examples not that ancient. The Romans tried suppressing the upstart cult Christianity. Once it got a foot hold Christianity for CENTURIES suppressed science and executed scientists and other free-thinkers. This not my opinion..it's historical fact to be found in any public library. Even elementary school libraries for Pete's sake!
It has always and still is a tool for controlling the culture and lifestyle of citizens to enhance the longevity and prosperity of the church and it's bed partner, the so-called god-ordained government.

Well, seeing as no one knows what the real Mohammed looked like, is it really that offensive to draw a muslim looking cartoon person and call it Mohammed. After all, a lot of muslims are called Mohammed.

I don't belive in any religion, but I think people should try repsect each others religion. Those who keep drawing the pic of mohammed are no different than a bullying kid in school... What about using freedom of speech for something usefull!

Freedom of speech > religious sensitivities (at least in the modern western world)
Private religion deserves respect but people who mix religion with politics deserve contempt.

These are some of the major points that go against accepting the commonly known narrative regarding Ayesha's (ra) age at the time of her marriage. In my opinion, neither was it an Arab tradition to give away girls in marriage at an age as young as nine or ten years, nor did the Prophet marry Ayesha at such a young age. The people of Arabia did not object to this marriage, because it never happened in the manner it has been narrated [http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_...HD=7&ID=4604&CATE=1]

Much more info on the age of the woman who married the Prophet PBUH.

Bambulance said,
Facebook "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day" page has been taken down.

What are you talking about? Its still up from what I can see (thank God).

HoochieMamma said,

What are you talking about? Its still up from what I can see (thank God).

*Shrug* working again, maybe it was just getting hammered when i tried.

Found this...
We are back online after some page trouble, thank you facebook-gang. Enjoy the rest of the day and draw Mohammed however you may like. We will of course encourage you to make a creative and humourous picture, instead of something hateful.

Edited by Bambulance, May 20 2010, 1:57pm : more info

It's incredulous the amount of pampering and coddling done in the name of religious tolerance or respect for one's faith. It sounds fair-minded and well-intentioned. However there is a much larger issue than showing respect and 'correctness' for diverse belief systems. That supposition in it's entirety and it's adherents are still unwittingly laboring under the god delusion. The god hypothesis and all religions are creations of humanity. Stemming from man's superstitions, the ego's desire for immortality and the oppression of science by the church for past centuries. All religion is false. Religion poisons everything. Case in point..very briefly..if Catholic Popes are the 'Vicar of Christ" and since historical fact declares that Pope Julius III and Pop Benedict IX were openly homosexual..then Jesus was gay. It's moot since, all religion is false..and frankly the Catholic predator pedophile priests and the Vatican have done the world a great service indirectly by exposing the the manipulative and cruel charade that all religion is.

Charlie Bear said,
It's incredulous the amount of pampering and coddling done in the name of religious tolerance or respect for one's faith. It sounds fair-minded and well-intentioned. However there is a much larger issue than showing respect and 'correctness' for diverse belief systems. That supposition in it's entirety and it's adherents are still unwittingly laboring under the god delusion. The god hypothesis and all religions are creations of humanity. Stemming from man's superstitions, the ego's desire for immortality and the oppression of science by the church for past centuries. All religion is false. Religion poisons everything. Case in point..very briefly..if Catholic Popes are the 'Vicar of Christ" and since historical fact declares that Pope Julius III and Pop Benedict IX were openly homosexual..then Jesus was gay. It's moot since, all religion is false..and frankly the Catholic predator pedophile priests and the Vatican have done the world a great service indirectly by exposing the the manipulative and cruel charade that all religion is.

that is your opnion first
second the charch is irrelevant for other faithes so the connection is nosense

Ci7 said,

that is your opnion first
second the charch is irrelevant for other faithes so the connection is nosense

Good lord. My opinion is that your spelling is atrocious.
Second, the "charch" is not the only offender of human morals.

How about we have a "Lets Draw José Day"... People wouldn't blink, but lets draw Mohammed, instantly racist... Pathetic!

Grayski said,
How about we have a "Lets Draw José Day"... People wouldn't blink, but lets draw Mohammed, instantly racist... Pathetic!

I agree, a rather stupid excuse.

Grayski said,
How about we have a "Lets Draw José Day"... People wouldn't blink, but lets draw Mohammed, instantly racist... Pathetic!
Look at this from a different angle. Let's say that you don't like seeing pictures of ducks. In fact, you get very offended any time a picture of a duck crosses your path. Now if I found out this piece of information and got a load of people together to draw pictures of ducks for the sole reason of offending you, how would you react? You'd want something to be done about it, right? Follow to the next step, and it turns out you live in a country where pictures of ducks are not only offensive, they're illegal. I've posted pictures of ducks all over Facebook, as have everyone else in my "draw a duck day" group, so the Government has no choice but to deny access to Facebook. For people like yourself that are offended by the ducks, you'll be slightly happy at not having to look at pictures all over Facebook, but at the same time you've lost the use of a social networking tool that the rest of the world has access to. And if some people in that country aren't offended by ducks, they've lost a social networking tool because someone couldn't respect your wishes.

This isn't a racism issue, this is an issue of common courtesy to your fellow man.

Intrinsica said,
Look at this from a different angle. Let's say that you don't like seeing pictures of ducks. In fact, you get very offended any time a picture of a duck crosses your path. Now if I found out this piece of information and got a load of people together to draw pictures of ducks for the sole reason of offending you, how would you react? You'd want something to be done about it, right? Follow to the next step, and it turns out you live in a country where pictures of ducks are not only offensive, they're illegal. I've posted pictures of ducks all over Facebook, as have everyone else in my "draw a duck day" group, so the Government has no choice but to deny access to Facebook. For people like yourself that are offended by the ducks, you'll be slightly happy at not having to look at pictures all over Facebook, but at the same time you've lost the use of a social networking tool that the rest of the world has access to. And if some people in that country aren't offended by ducks, they've lost a social networking tool because someone couldn't respect your wishes.

This isn't a racism issue, this is an issue of common courtesy to your fellow man.

You've missed the start of the story and that was someone drawing a picture of a duck in a cartoon, then you start your own hate group threatening them with death for drawing a picture of a duck and trying to force it so no-one can ever draw a picture of a duck due to fear of violence or attacks. So, people got together to draw pictures of ducks to say FU, if we want to draw the pictures we can and shouldnt have to fear violent attacks or murder if we choose to do it.

I dislike alot of things, i get offended by afew things. I dont want to outlaw people saying those offensive things, nor do i threaten violence to get them to stop. I simply accept that for me to have my freedom of speech, so should other people even if what they say offends me.

Grayski said,
How about we have a "Lets Draw José Day"... People wouldn't blink, but lets draw Mohammed, instantly racist... Pathetic!

UNfortunately, not one of Islam's many sects allows for any representation of Mohammed. (Contrast that with non-Islamic religions; that have no issue with representations of Jesus or any of the Apostles, for example.) Further, Muslims can be any race. An Arab is a racial connotation; Muslim is religious. The two are not mutually inclusive; Iran, despite being majority-Shia Muslim, is not even Arab-majority. (There are more Arabs in Israel, by percentage of the population, than in Iran.)

PGHammer said,

UNfortunately, not one of Islam's many sects allows for any representation of Mohammed. (Contrast that with non-Islamic religions; that have no issue with representations of Jesus or any of the Apostles, for example.) Further, Muslims can be any race. An Arab is a racial connotation; Muslim is religious. The two are not mutually inclusive; Iran, despite being majority-Shia Muslim, is not even Arab-majority. (There are more Arabs in Israel, by percentage of the population, than in Iran.)


percentage wise yes.

but for the matter of fact their are about 6/7 million arab in iran in ahwaz region majorly

Intrinsica said,
Look at this from a different angle. Let's say that you don't like seeing pictures of ducks. In fact, you get very offended any time a picture of a duck crosses your path. Now if I found out this piece of information and got a load of people together to draw pictures of ducks for the sole reason of offending you, how would you react? You'd want something to be done about it, right?
IF pictures of ducks ****ed me off that much, I'd NOT look at pictures of ducks. I know people that complain about things that they think are morally offensive to them, yet still look at those things just so they have a reason to complain and be ****ed off.

Ci7 said,

percentage wise yes.

but for the matter of fact their are about 6/7 million arab in iran in ahwaz region majorly

It's more like 1.5 Millions Arabs in Iran. In fact Arab and Iranian are mortal enemy. Ask a Saudi.

It's a common mistake to believe that the population of the middle-east is Arab. It's not. Palestinians and Saudis are mostly Arabs. But most of the rest, which was part of the Ottoman Empire have mostly Turkish and Babylonian ethnicity. In smaller number, Armenian, Azeris, Kurds and a few others in even smaller number. The Iranian are mostly Persian. The realm of the Arabs is Northern Africa.

What strikes me is that when a group is about killing children by putting them in refrigerator, everybody thinks it's funny, but when it has something to do with religion, you can't joke anymore.

quentez said,
What strikes me is that when a group is about killing children by putting them in refrigerator, everybody thinks it's funny, but when it has something to do with religion, you can't joke anymore.

You shouldn't make light of killing children anyway. Both are equally wrong.

QuarterSwede said,

You shouldn't make light of killing children anyway. Both are equally wrong.

Drawing a picture of a man named Muhammad and making fun of killing children are both "equally" wrong? Boy, you sure have an interesting moral compass.

autobon said,

Drawing a picture of a man named Muhammad and making fun of killing children are both "equally" wrong? Boy, you sure have an interesting moral compass.

+1 lol.

phatphunky said,
it is the only way to communicate with the outside world.

say what?. ok, social network are important but they are not the only way to communicate.


Magallanes said,

say what?. ok, social network are important but they are not the only way to communicate.


Say what?
They are not even close to important either!!

Edited by cork1958, May 20 2010, 4:14pm :

Magallanes said,

say what?. ok, social network are important but they are not the only way to communicate.


Might want to quote correctly.
"but for many it is..."

Edited by freedonX, May 20 2010, 6:40pm :

"...ensures religious harmony and respect."
I think this is the major issue. Basically the Draw Mohammed Day was designed to insult the islamic community. It has no other relevance.

Should we put a worldwide ban on drawing Mohammed? Of course not. It's not against my views to see a picture of him. But should we allow this sort of group to come together, purely for the reason of attacking a religion's views? Definitely not. It's not respectful to other people, and it will cause a lot of problems.

Intrinsica said,
"...ensures religious harmony and respect."
I think this is the major issue. Basically the Draw Mohammed Day was designed to insult the islamic community. It has no other relevance.

Should we put a worldwide ban on drawing Mohammed? Of course not. It's not against my views to see a picture of him. But should we allow this sort of group to come together, purely for the reason of attacking a religion's views? Definitely not. It's not respectful to other people, and it will cause a lot of problems.


+1

Regardless of one's opinions against another's religion, to openly and intentionally discriminate them "for the lulz" is simply wrong.

Bioran23 said,

+1

Regardless of one's opinions against another's religion, to openly and intentionally discriminate them "for the lulz" is simply wrong.

I discriminate every religion "for the lulz" because.. i don't believe for example that a paedophile murderer is the messenger of God (islam) or that there is a talking snake and virgins can give birth (Christianity).

Remote Sojourner said,

I discriminate every religion "for the lulz" because.. i don't believe for example that a paedophile murderer is the messenger of God (islam) or that there is a talking snake and virgins can give birth (Christianity).


Haha, true that.

I guess I was referring more to collective gatherings meant to insult believers of a religion.

Intrinsica said,
"...ensures religious harmony and respect."
I think this is the major issue. Basically the Draw Mohammed Day was designed to insult the islamic community. It has no other relevance.

It was designed to protect free-speech after the cartoonist and southpark got heavily censored, insulted and recieved death threats from the islamic community for drawing (or just imply) a picture of Mohammed. This group wouldnt exist if the islamic community didnt try and censor it or send hate/death threats to anyone that did it.

The islamic community went crazy at the cartoonist and recently started imply death threats to cartoon network. Should that be allowed? Freedom of speech is one of the most critical laws in the developed world and it shouldnt be ignored when one group decides to threaten violence over it, infact when that happends the law becomes even more important.

Crompee said,

The islamic community went crazy at the cartoonist and recently started imply death threats to cartoon network. Should that be allowed? Freedom of speech is one of the most critical laws in the developed world and it shouldnt be ignored when one group decides to threaten violence over it, infact when that happends the law becomes even more important.

I remember reading about the death threats, and I agree that it was uncalled for. But is it right to use freedom of speech to incite hate while making the point that "it's ok, I'm allowed to do this because I have freedom of speech"?

There are better ways to do this.

Intrinsica said,

I remember reading about the death threats, and I agree that it was uncalled for. But is it right to use freedom of speech to incite hate while making the point that "it's ok, I'm allowed to do this because I have freedom of speech"?

There are better ways to do this.


You also have to remember that the internet has no national boundaries. Freedom of speech in the US is one thing, but blabbing it all over the internet and not expecting muslim countries to block the sites is ludicrous.

I agree that freedom of speech should be a human right but, sadly, that's not always the case in every country.

Intrinsica said,

But is it right to use freedom of speech to incite hate while making the point that "it's ok, I'm allowed to do this because I have freedom of speech"?

Yes, it is right. You need to shine a bright light on hate speech. Doing so diminishes it.

Intrinsica said,
Basically the Draw Mohammed Day was designed to insult the islamic community. It has no other relevance.

No, it wasn't. You should read and learn before spouting off.

Yes, some used it to insult Islam, but that was not the intention. The intention was to point out that you can't carry on 'hate speech' and expect it to go unchallenged. Additionally, just because your 'rules' say something isn't allowed it doesn't mean that I have to respect it when my 'rules' are very different.

Intrinsica said,
"...ensures religious harmony and respect."

Why nonbelievers should respect religion when holly books orders to kill and torture nonbelievers? Holly books are full of lies and injustice and are oposite to harmony. Most religious countries on earth are least civilized and have highest crime rates.

tablet_user said,

my thoughts exactly. I dont use facebook or youtube so if canada shut that out i wouldnt even notice.

Good for you, but not for those who do.