Playstation 3 Launches in North America

Well the day has finally arrived for all the Sony fans and Playstation 3 hopefuls. The Playstation 3 has launched in North America. Of course the vast, vast majority of the units available worldwide are being made available in the United States since that is the biggest launch area for Sony at this point. But regardless, Sony pulled off some pretty nice events in several U.S. cities earlier today to coincide with the launch of the long awaited next-gen monster.

There was an interesting event in San Fransisco earlier today, where many Sony fans waited in long, long lines for a chance at a PS3 unit. At the PlayStation store there at the Metreon shopping complex, Sony probably caused a near riot, especially when fans found out what was really going on. Check this out. At about 8:15 PM Pacific time last night, a police car drove up to the large gathering of PS3 hopefuls, got out and told the DJ there to stop playing his really loud and annoying music (one can only assume it was a Kevin Federline track) and then the magic started. Two more police vehicles came roaring down the street there along with three black SUVs. Then a dozen or so security officers got out and created a "perimeter" around the  cars,  and then a large silver semi started to pull in. Out of the back of this semi came Sony Computer Entertainment America Executive Vice President Jack Tretton. He then lifted a couple of the amazing PS3 boxes into the air, the crowd went nuts and then workers quickly put the rest of the 700+ boxes onto carts to wheel into the store. The only problem? All the boxes were empty. The entire event - all these fevered fans, rabid, and camped out for 48+ hours or more, just witnessed a planned event for the press.

But it was all good, because shortly thereafter at midnight the Playstation 3 finally went on sale. Chris Toniblo has the honor of (probably) being the first person on the west coast to buy a Playstation 3 unit. Sony also held a pretty sweet event in New York City. As in San Fransisco, the NYC event had been going on for days already with many fans camped out at the SonyStyle store in Manhattan. Angel Paredes has the honor of being the first person on the east coast to get a Playstation 3, and indeed the first person in the U.S. to get one period. But he was given a free Playstation 3. That's right, Sony Computer Entertainment America President Kaz Hirai and CEO Howard Stringer were there to give Mr. Paredes a free Playstation 3, in fact the first 3 people in line got a free unit. One other person who found a "golden ticket" also got a free unit. Everyone else had to shell out the big bucks of course.

So here we are, it is now 1:30 PM Eastern time here in the U.S. and I'm sure that pretty much every Playstation 3 unit that was around, is probably now sold. Of course a large percentage of those units will be on Ebay tonight, but eh, whatever. About 12 hours or so after launch now, one can only wonder how the rest of the country is going, any other riots to hear about? Any other shootings?

Sony sure knows how to launch a console though.

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Looks like the earlier rumours about major overheating might be very true... I went to a Best Buy store today here in the US. They didn't have a Wii demo unit yet and were sold out of both the Wii and the PS3. They DID have a PS3 demo unit setup beside an XBOX 360. I would have loved to play it, but it had melted down from overheating and needed replacement... (sales guy told me). Then I went to a Target store and... their PS3 demo unit had been unplugged with the LCD still turned on... one has to wonder.

Quote - scyphe said @ #45
Not sure this has been posted before but it's hilarious.. The guys that did the 360 last year did the ps3....

Smash-A-PS3

Hilarious stuff... :laugh:

Holy hell, what the f--- is the PS3 MADE out of?! I mean, for that many hits from the sledgehammer, it surely held together quite well! :O!!!

At least that makes me feel more comfortable when an accident may occur.

What are people talking about with this 5 figure eBay crap. I see dozens for $1100 and none of them are selling. As I write this there are 7 that are ending in <5 min and for <$1200.

I can see the attraction to the nintendo, I can definitely see the attraction to the 360, but the ps3 leaves me scratching my head. I'm amazed folks are standing in line for it.

-d

LOL! I just love how he beat the line-up. It's a video game console, not the holy grail!!!

PS - I don't fanboy any of the consoles, but if I were to invest in one it would be the Wii. Reason being is its price and innovation. PS3 probably kicks ass, but its price is ridiculous and I will never buy an Xbox because they bought out Bungie (Thanks Alien :P Ubisoft screwed us with starforce and learned) to make Halo for it specifically when it was originally being developed for PC.

They actually bought out Bungie, not Ubisoft, other than that your comment was great. I've actually thought a lot about the Wii, but for some reason I like to have the best graphics (people may diss me for this -- OH IT'S ALL ABOUT THE GAMEPLAY). For what I want, the XBOX360/PS3 is what I should get.. but as mentioned above I'm leaning towards the PS3 because it seems you will be able to do much more than using it as a game console (bluray player, installing linux.. plugging in mouse/keyboard...).

Quote - ambiance said @ #45.1
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to make Halo for it specifically when it was originally being developed for PC.

Umm maybe I am wrong here, but I though it went like this; That Halo was originally a Mac title, then MS bought Bungie and Halo was shifted to PC, then MS decided to take on the console market and Halo was shifted (again) to be an Xbox title. Well that is how I though what happened there..but maybe I'm completely wrong..

I like the way everyone says $599 is expensive for a PS3. I live in Cyprus (a country in the European Union), and the latest XBOX360 bundle pack with CoD3 costs 269 cyprus pounds ( http://www.micromania.com.cy/gamer/index.p...;game_id=002208 ). Many of you may say the number looks good, but when you convert the cyprus pounds to US Dollars, it's $618.7.

I think everyone here is biased against Sony and they haven't even played the console. It's amazing how on the Neowin forums, the Sony Gaming forum is loaded with 100 Microsoft fanboys dissing Sony, and the Microsoft Gaming forum is clean of microsoft hating... Isn't that why the seperate forums were created? No... cuz now the microsoft fanboys know where to go to attack the people that are interested in the PS3.

I am not a Sony fanboy, and i own an XBOX, but i'm getting sick of everyone's anti-Sony crap. If you all look at the specs, the PS3 has more in common with the original XBOX than the XBOX360 (which is kinda weird).

Everyone here who just has bad stuff to say about Sony and hasn't even seen a Playstation 3, please zip it. I'm going to wait for the PS3 to be available in Europe, then compare reviews and available games at that point for both systems and decide what I'm gonna buy. But I'm thinking it's gonna be a PS3 this time around, it's just great that you get a blu-ray player with it.

As for Microsoft fanboys thinking nobody cares about the Playstation 3 because every comment is against Sony, there are many mature people out here that simply won't join into the flame war because it's not worth it. I've explained where I stand, I'm interested in the PS3, but I'm gonna wait to see more in depth reviews and comparisons to the XBOX360 -- and of course how many/which games are going to be available at the European launch (but I'll still probably buy the PS3 in Summer 2007).

One more thing, I find it quite a great idea that you can run Linux on the PS3 with little or no changes.

Now please stop going on about people buying a PS3 are morons, because fanboys are even bigger morons.

As for the whole Sony rootkit / exploding batteries.. so what? even if it's up to 1 million annoyed geeks (which it more than likely isn't), the world is much bigger than neowin, slashdot etc.. There are many people out there that are gonna buy a console that don't even know what a "console" is, but know the Playstation brand.

So what I'm asking is for everyone to chill about this and see the results -- it's going to be Spring until we can actually see what's going on... The funny thing is the PS3 is probably going to be cheaper where I live than the XBOX360 hahahaha..

I guess we'll see how much it costs when it comes out. Considering I pay over 100 cyprus pounds per month for 1mbit/128kbit ADSL, I'm thinking 350 pounds for a console ain't much right now.

I'm actually stuck with a lame computer right now... it's excellent for web browsing etc, but as far as playing games goes... I have to play everything on low quality. I guess if I get a PS3 at 350 pounds or so, it's cheaper than the cheapest computer you can buy in cyprus (which doesn't even have a good graphics card to start with), and I can move my games onto the PS3 and continue using this computer for web browsing, chatting.. etc :)

I actually enjoy a few FPS games here and there, and it would be great if later on you can use a keyboard and mouse on the ps3 to play games (hopefully this happens, im sure a few people would like this)... no matter how anybody puts it, as far as FPS games go, keyboard/mouse > controller

Those are fake bids, like when someone bids a thousand dollars for a cheeto. They have to be fake, not even the richest fanboy in the world is that stupid.

Quote - badazzEVO8 said @ #42.1
yea i know, they ruined a good game. i'd rather play gt2

Rofl, some of them aren't even touching the floor.

That one is a little bit of a mixed bag :P yeah it is the next GT, but not really. That is GT-HD, and it basically is GT4 running on the PS3, it runs at a native 1080p and the car models have been bumped up a few polygons, added a few extra features (like real dynamic shadows, 3d rims, car damage, Ferrari's! etc) so basically it is what they (Polyphony Digital) wanted GT4 tobe, but couldn't cause the PS2 wasn't good enough...then they completely destroyed it with the micro-transaction model they plan to implement in it.

The next true GT, is going to be GT5 and that is promised to take full advance of the PS3's power and will probably blow our socks off, but that is not due till about 2008 I think...so till then you have to deal with GT-HD (personally, if I had a PS3, I'd stick with GT4 till the real GT5 comes out and not touch GT-HD)

@ #1.3 by Xerxes ... u got some good points but the thing is... why bother with any of the GT's when u got "Forza Motorsport 2" comming out on the xbox360? ... cause if u ask me i think forza motorsport for the xbox was clearly superior to GT4 on PS2 (i own both consoles/games) ... forza motorsport is ONLY great when u turn off ALL assists! thats key to makeing the game great and challenging.... plus with forza u got more precise controll over your acceleration/braking than u do with gt4 on the ps2... since the xbox's controller is pretty much superior when it comes to simulation race games due to it's pressure sensitive triggers which ps2's controller lacks. (i know the ps2 has pressure sensitive buttons but there just overall awkward) ... plus when u brake on the GT4 for ps2... u cant lock the tires unlike forza on the xbox which takes away from the fun/challenge of the game, which is another reason forza is better ;)

forza motorsport (simulation race car game) is pretty much one of the best xbox games out there if u ask me (if not the best) ... only advanatge GT4 had over FORZA was it's (GT4) frame rate was liquid smooth unlike forza's which was locked in at about 30fps.

also forza has car damage which gt4 lacks.... cause with car damage on u cant exploit cheap tactics like u can in GT4... like slamming into a car to get into the lead etc... if u try that in forza u pretty much screwed yourself ;)

plus another thing GT4 lacked on was engine sounds (which is real important for me, as it makes the game quite a bit better)... there muscle cars in that game sounded horrible compared to engine sounds in FORZA ... cause for example... listen to a 700ishHP muscle car in GT4 vs FORZA ... forza's engine sounds are clearly more realistic although there a little muffled.

bottom line is (for me atleast) forza's pretty much the game to beat when it comes to simulation race car games HANDS DOWN!

Run for your dear life, it's "The Revenge of the Cardboard People"! *cue ominous music*
With PS3 games looking that frigging ugly, it even adds to the already outlandish braindeadness of paying $20k for one x)

plus with forza u got more precise controll over your acceleration/braking than u do with gt4 on the ps2... since the xbox's controller is pretty much superior when it comes to simulation race games due to it's pressure sensitive triggers which ps2's controller lacks. (i know the ps2 has pressure sensitive buttons but there just overall awkward)

The PS2's controller is just as pressure sensitive as the Xbox controller. The standard DualShock 2 controllers had it. I use my PS2 controller more on my XBox (gotta love converters) since it's not as huge and they really work well with Halo 2. However, if you really want to play a true simulation game, you NEED to get a wheel (i.e. a G25, or hell, a custom 460 degree wheel). Playing with gamepads alone is not enjoyable at all.

also forza has car damage which gt4 lacks.... cause with car damage on u cant exploit cheap tactics like u can in GT4... like slamming into a car to get into the lead etc... if u try that in forza u pretty much screwed yourself

You CAN do that in Forza. :P It's even more possible to do cheap tactics than in GT4. However, it does lack car damage, but I don't go around ramming into walls and whatnot. :P

plus another thing GT4 lacked on was engine sounds (which is real important for me, as it makes the game quite a bit better)... there muscle cars in that game sounded horrible compared to engine sounds in FORZA ... cause for example... listen to a 700ishHP muscle car in GT4 vs FORZA ... forza's engine sounds are clearly more realistic although there a little muffled.

This is actually the biggest letdown of GT4. Instead of doing what they did for GT2 and GT3 (e.g. renting out hundreds and thousands of cars and recording their revving sounds), they just repeated some audio from other similar vehicles. But they weren't "horrible" as you say, just not as rough.

Forza, however, has an even better environment/tracks than GT4, and the fact that you can do engine swaps. However, GT4 has the favorite "cult" classics and other specific vehicles that just appeal to a lot of people (i.e. Volkswagen Beetle, SMART cars, Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 and Starion, Lexus Altezza (IS200), etc.) IMO, GT4 is a heck more complete.

@ nookadum .... your right the ps2's controller is just as pressure sensitive as the xbox's triggers but the thing is they just feel awkward when playing a race car game compared to the xbox's controller, cause the triggers on xbox controller just feel more precise (basically easier to controll the acceleration/braking , especially when assists are OFF on forza, as u cant just SLAM the brake to the MAX or u will lose controll in turns) then using the pressure sensitive buttons on the surface of the ps2 controller since the travel of the buttons is real short making it harder to maintain a certain engine RPM if needed.... unlike forza where it's much easier to maintain a certain engine RPM with the triggers.

about your quote of me where u commented about the car damage... i dont think i understood what u said ... cause what i said about slamming into a car on gt4 to get into the lead and that u cant do that on forza cause your handling will go out the window is correct.

about your comment to me about engine sounds... i dont think i was exagerating when it comes to the muscle cars cause forza's clearly got better sound when it comes to these types of cars... cause like i said before... if u listen to a 700HP+ muscle car in forza vs GT4 theres a pretty big differance.... gt4 overall dont even really sound like a muscle car... the sound is to weak and aint even in the ball park of a real muscle car that has 700HP+ in real life. (for example take the "Chevelle SS 454" car and im sure u will see what i mean... cause if u ever heard one of those in real life with high horsepower then u will easily notice what i mean about how GT4's sounds are quite a bit off)

GT4 has more cars but if u ask me i think most of the cars it does have that forza dont are pretty much crappy anyways... theres probably some exceptions but not many.... cause basically all the "good" cars both games have there fair share (some forza's got that gt4 dont and vice versa)

i dont know about u but for me the bottom line is forza's better in the overall feel (gameplay) dept (assuming u have ALL ASSISTS OFF, cause thats what makes forza real good is no assists, with assists on it aint any better than GT4 is overall)

p.s. one game that i really liked on the PS2 sim racing wise was "Tourist Trophy" (made by the makers of gran turismo) ... this game i thought was clearly better than GT4.... it's a motorcycle raceing game.

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Neowin has disrespected Microsoft. You did not put the release of Xbox 360 on the frontpage like you are doing with the PS3 and watch, I bet you the Wii will get frontpage too. All of these mixed signals coming out of Neowin with the *nix and the FireFox and the *POD*casts and the PS3 I think this site is just run to put money in NeoBond's pockets.

I am not anti-Sony, *nix or Apple. I will defend myself once replies are made.

neowin is where unprofessional journalism looks better ;)

heh, ah well, i love neowin because its a general forum. i think the win is more part of its past.. i can name a few Linux front page articles and such, i remember the day when kazaa lite was being posted in the software section :P

Does it truely matter?

I'm sure the 360 launch didn't have all these: Crazy linewaiters, shanty towns, a pathetic drive-by shooting, crazy eBay resales AND a riot.

I agree somewhat as the PS3 doesn't deserve 1/2 a page of Neowin, but I don't think they are disrespecting Microsoft. They are either fans, being paid to do so, or both.

I'm not disrespecting anyone. I am not paid by Microsoft for anything, nor Neowin for that matter.

The reason the Xbox 360 release wasn't on the front page is simple, at the time the staff really didn't post stuff like that on the main page, but after discussion it was decided that it was acceptable to put on the front page.

If you can't deal with the PS3 launch on the front page for a day or so, and the Wii launch on the front page (yep, typing some of it right now) for a day or so, you should really chill out and deal with it. I don't write news and post news to cater to everyone, I've learned over the past few months that there are some kids on Neowin who will never be happy no matter what you post. So, if you can't deal with it, sorry. I say you should just go play Gears of War and be happy then.

if m$ xbox360 launch ruined many people xmas last year this year its the turn of $ony with ps3.

As usual my hope for best launch goes with Wii and nintendo.

That was for pre-selling them prior to launch. Also required was a photo of the actual pre-sale receipt and a guarantee to ship within 30 days.

Now that the console has officially launched, there are no such restrictions.

I am king nerd and I decree that the PlayStation3 will be the best console ever made. It's like 3DO times 15...... Million!!! XD

im not comparing new games to new ps3 games i realize that, im comparing release date games to release date games and even though the ps3 is a yr later it still doesnt look better then the 360.

I wounder how Taiwan and Hong Kong did (they got the PS3 the same time as NA)? they only got 500 units! so if you think JP/NA were hard done by, what about these poor guys!

What about us guys in Europe!? Safe to say the PS3 isn't rated highly in my books atm, and I was looking forward to it :(. Although based on the comments here, it's possibly a good thing it's been delayed here! (Oh and btw, I don't own a XBOX 360, and i've been with the Playstation since the original, so my comment isn't biased against Sony!) I probably wont bother with the two main consoles this time around, my computer is good enough and I cant justify spending hundreds of pounds on a console which does practically the same thing as my computer... although I'll be keeping my eye on the Wii, mainly because it's unique, and something which I cant do on the computer! They also are not screwing us in Europe quite as badly as the PS3!

Thats my 2p anyway!

Well I'm not sure about Europe, but here in Australia (and New Zealand) we are in the same boat as you (delayed till March 07, maybe later) Sony thinks delaying the the PS3 will make it sell even more, the Sony rep said that according to their research 360 sales were going down (and PS2 sales going up) in anticipation of the March launch here (not sure if that is true though?)..so basically Sony think they have already won Australia/New Zealand (who are strong MS supporters, like NA)..but after all that ranting he did make a few valid points:

1) The delay will mean more units available on launch (So for the EU, AU and NZ PS3 launch you should be able to walk into any store and grab a PS3 on launch)
2) Alot of the bugs and problems that have/could occur during the JP/NA releases will be (hopefully) ironed out.
3) The EU, AU and NZ launch should get some more decent not rushed games available on launch day.

If your referring to the games of cause it does, your comparing rushed first generation PS3 games against second generation 360 games that have more time to be developed.

Give the PS3 another year before you start comparing it to the 360. Personally I think you will find the PS3 games will look better (due to the PS3 been more powerful then the 360) but that difference will probably be only apparent in games that developers take the time to get the most out of the PS3 (i.e. games like MGS4, GT, FFXIII etc) the rest will probably look the same I reckon.

Quote - Xerxes said @ #32.1
If your referring to the games of cause it does, your comparing rushed first generation PS3 games against second generation 360 games that have more time to be developed.

Give the PS3 another year before you start comparing it to the 360. Personally I think you will find the PS3 games will look better (due to the PS3 been more powerful then the 360) but that difference will probably be only apparent in games that developers take the time to get the most out of the PS3 (i.e. games like MGS4, GT, FFXIII etc) the rest will probably look the same I reckon.


Sorry, but people are saying things like this a lot, and it makes no sense. Are you saying that no one should buy the touted PS3 for a year, so that the developers can catch up? It's supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread for its "true" HD graphics, and the games are sucking at launch. So where's the reason to buy one?

Quote - Joel said @ #32.2

Sorry, but people are saying things like this a lot, and it makes no sense. Are you saying that no one should buy the touted PS3 for a year, so that the developers can catch up? It's supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread for its "true" HD graphics, and the games are sucking at launch. So where's the reason to buy one?

There is always reason to buy one, tobe first to have one and the obvious bragging rights associated with it. Plus it as also a cheap Blu-Ray player so it still has use and still offers things its competitor, the 360 can't. But personally I think it makes no sense to expect the first gen games to be very good, while I'm sure there are a few (like Resistance, I'm hearing it's blowing MS's much anticipated GOW away) the majority will be somewhat average as the developers are not familiar with the console yet etc (the same happened to the 360)

Also I'm tired of hearing this "True HD 1080p" (not directed at you, just in general) Sony is crapping on about, they are even doing it with their HDTVs and Digital Video Cameras...not only is it wrong to say it, they are also making fools of themselves, one of their best games (Resistance) which has completely trumped the best game currently on the 360 (GOW) and the PS3 can't even run it in "True HD", according to their own words!...what is the point of boasting the PS3 as been the only "True HD" console when it can't even run killer games like Resistance in "True HD"?...when in reality it is running in "True HD", Sony just doesn't want to admit it cause then they are admitting the the 360 is a HD console too :P

Quote - badazzEVO8 said @ #29.1
about 99 percent of them are selling them on ebay for 3 grand or more. nice 2400 profit but not worth it imo

Good point. The people who are buying it for 2k+ on eBay are the stupid ones.

First off the assembly line hardware is never a good thing. If I were even interested in getting a PS3, I'd wait 2-6 months and see how people are liking it then.

Don't expect any decent game titles until next year this time.

Resistence: Fall of Man is decent, in fact more than decent. IGN put Resistence head to head with Gears of War...and Resistence won. That's pretty high praise, especially for IGN.

There are plenty of PS3 games coming out shortly that are more than adequate, in fact they look quite good. Sure we won't see a Metal Gear Solid or Warhawk for a bit longer, but eh, no big deal really. Gears of War, and Zelda are both awesome games I'm sure, as is Resistence, in the end it comes down to personal preference, and brand loyalty. Which is a shame, because the rabpid fanboys are a major issue these days. Bashing people for liking Sony, bashing people for enjoying a Wii, bashing peopl for wanting a 360. Its a damn game console, not the end of the world, nor does it affect you personally. I just don't get the fanboyisms.

Maybe its because I'm a PC gamer (4 lyfe w00t w00t) and I know PC gaming is way way better than Console gaming.

:ninja:

according to egm, metal gear will make it to the 360 as well. personally i'm getting tired of 'exclusive games' for any brand from 3rd parties. ms makes very good games as well as nintendo. i havnt seen any big name game from sony, correct me if i'm wrong

i cant believe i seen 30 people camp out in front of best buy here in erie, pa for 3 days. all but one admitted they were going to sell it on ebay lmao

Overhyped to the extreme.
I'll be waiting until late next year before even concidering buying one :P What's the hurry?
There will be more games to choose from then.

And all these ppl that ran out to buy one is the reason why Sony knows they can get away with that $600 price tag. They could have said it to be $1000 and still all the same ppl would run out to buy it.

I'll pick up my PS3 sometime next summer or later. I'll like the PS3 better when it's cheaper and all the bugs and errors are worked out.

I only have one question though -- so did it end up being worth the riots, worth the sickness they probably got for standing outside for so long, and worth the few people who were severely injured or killed?

Quote - Ikshaar said @ #15
lol... should I pretend to care ? ... hmm no.

Obviously you care enough about the PS3 launch to post here about it.

Quote - christracy said @ #13
hey when are you guys gonna update that ps3 picture with the correct controller and not that mock up one from the past?

Ironic that the 'current' controller is a blast from the past.

I'm with you, not just because of the graphics (I could get used to it). But mostly because of frame-rate drop.
In a FPS you just can't forgive it.

Quote - tx83 said @ #12.1
I'm with you, not just because of the graphics (I could get used to it). But mostly because of frame-rate drop.
In a FPS you just can't forgive it.

What game is having a problem with framerate drops?

All of those in this list have frame-rate problem (according to the reviews of IGN I read) :

Untold Legends : Dark Kingdom
Ridge Racer 7 (in multiplayer on the same screen)
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Tony Hawk's Project 8

Plus (not frame-rate problem but bad graphic quality):
Need for Speed Carbon (sub-par special-effects especially the blur)
NBA 07

Quote - tx83 said @ #12.3
All of those in this list have frame-rate problem (according to the reviews of IGN I read) :

Untold Legends : Dark Kingdom
Ridge Racer 7 (in multiplayer on the same screen)
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Tony Hawk's Project 8

Plus (not frame-rate problem but bad graphic quality):
Need for Speed Carbon (sub-par special-effects especially the blur)
NBA 07


Most of those reviews say the frame rate stutters on intense scenes like every game in existance has either it be PC or console. It's not like the entire games are borked frame rate wise. Also, I don't think anyone is going to care, those games blow to begin with.

Resistance is the game pretty much everyone is going to be purchasing and the framerate is locked.

*Edit: Also I don't see the NBA '07 review about problems with the graphics, they even said this:

Making the leap from the current gen to the PS3 definitely helped out NBA 07 in a number of ways, least of which is the graphical presentation of the title. The PS3 version of the game constantly touts how it is in full HD running at 1080p (under the proper situations with an HDMI cable, etc), and on the proper setup it looks great. The definition of character models is much stronger, and on court action has been massively improved, with new animations for collisions, contested shots and other situations. What's more, there's an improvement in the emotional sense conveyed by players, particularly in their faces during a game. For instance, you'll see grimaces cross a player's face as they concentrate on a dunk, which then relax as the ball is slammed home.

Quote - Flux Capacitor said @ #12.4
Most of those reviews say the frame rate stutters on intense scenes like every game in existance has either it be PC or console. It's not like the entire games are borked frame rate wise. Also, I don't think anyone is going to care, those games blow to begin with.

Resistance is the game pretty much everyone is going to be purchasing and the framerate is locked.

I don't remember any games from Nintendo on Gamecube that had frame-rate problems (even if the hardware was crappy) because developers knew how to handle it.

Maybe the hardware on PS3 is great, but developer really don't know how to use it correctly.

Edit : Now I am looking forward to buy another console.
Will it be the Wii for the controller, Zelda and Super Smash Bros (and maybe another killer Resident Evil) ?
Or will it be the Xbox 360, since a lot of game are appealing to me.

Let's decide on the day Wii launches (2 days to go)

Quote - tx83 said @ #12.5
I don't remember any games from Nintendo on Gamecube that had frame-rate problems (even if the hardware was crappy) because developers knew how to handle it.

Sure it did. For instance a game by Nintendo, Geist, had huge framerate problems.

Quote - "IGN"
There are times when Geist looks really pretty. It even runs in progressive scan and widescreen. The biggest disappointment here is the framerate, which suffers in high-action sequences.

Quote - Flux Capacitor said @ #12.6
Sure it did. For instance a game by Nintendo, Geist, had huge framerate problems.

Geist ?? I don't even remember seeing it at my Game Store.

Oh well, you got one (I give you that)

I have 4 of them out of 7 games reviewed in the launch game line-up.

Now find only 3 laggy GameCube game that were on the lauch line-up
and I will agree with you.

Quote - tx83 said @ #12.7
Now find only 3 laggy GameCube game that were on the lauch line-up
and I will agree with you.

None of the GameCube launch games had framerate. That doesn't mean there weren't other GameCube games in the consoles lifetime (as the example I pointed out) that didn't suffer framerate problems.

If other game developers can develop games for any console or even the PC without framerate problems then it isn't the consolePC's fault, it's just bad coding or it's going over the system limits. Considering the amount of time of development for launch games it is most likely the former.

Quote - Flux Capacitor said @ #12.8
If other game developers can develop games for any console or even the PC without framerate problems then it isn't the consoles fault, it's just bad coding.

That is exactly the point I wanted to show you.

1. The hardware is not good enough for the game that were released on it.
2. The hardware doesn't even give us the image quality we were expecting.
3. In conclusion, the hardware is crap.

Simple as 1-2-3

Quote - tx83 said @ #12.9

That is exactly the point I wanted to show you.

1. The hardware is not good enough for the game that were released on it.
2. The hardware doesn't even give us the image quality we were expecting.
3. In conclusion, the hardware is crap.

Simple as 1-2-3


No you completely have taken my words out of context. Launch games from third parties are normally are crap because of the development time they go through or should I say the lack of it along with the unfamiliarity of the hardware. The Xbox360 and the Wii both have crappy looking third party games that have problems, you can't deny that. By no means does that reflect that the hardware is complete crap.

Quote - tx83 said @ #12.9
That is exactly the point I wanted to show you.

1. The hardware is not good enough for the game that were released on it.
2. The hardware doesn't even give us the image quality we were expecting.
3. In conclusion, the hardware is crap.

Simple as 1-2-3

That does not logically follow. It actually makes more sense to say that the software that was released for the hardware is crap, because the programmers knew ahead of time what hardware they were going to have, and they chose to push the limits of the hardware, sometimes going over the limit (and thus, having frame drops and poor image quality).

Well, your words are strong on this last argument.
You convinced me to wait a little. I will look at other games on the PS3 in the future before taking a decision about buying it or not.

By these words of wisdom, I close this argument.

It means nothing. N64's most famous game goldeneye had framerate issues. Halo's have had the occasional frame rate issues as did Oblivion and a fair few other 360 games.

To my knowledge not a single console hasnt had this issue at some point. It's a coding issue. The machine can be as powerful as you like but if the game aint coded right for it its not going to run optimally.

Quote - tx83 said @ #12.5
I don't remember any games from Nintendo on Gamecube that had frame-rate problems (even if the hardware was crappy) because developers knew how to handle it.

GameCube hardware most certainly wasn't crappy. Smack dab in between Xbox and PS2 performance-wise.


Quote - Flux Capacitor said @ #12.6
Sure it did. For instance a game by Nintendo, Geist, had huge framerate problems.

Published by Nintendo, but developed by N-Space

I did, but the graphics are not what I was expecting. I will now sell my ps3 on ebay for only 19,999 USD "Buy it Now" and I will include free shipping. LMAO

"Sony sure knows how to launch a console though."
Yeah, throwing empty boxes out to your fans, that's a great idea.

I'm surprised stores are making room for these on their shelves. There won't be many PS3's under Christmas trees this holiday season.

C_Guy are you bill gates?.
in all the comments you make in neowin.net is defending Microsoft. you always talk sh#t about mac, and now the ps3.
what a hater! just accept that the ps3 is better.

I went to one of the Target stores in my town (Jackson, MS) last night at 8 PM and there were about 5 people camped out already. This particular store wouldn't be selling them until they repoened at 8 AM this morning, so those people were camped out at least 12 hours before hand. And it was fairly cold last night too. Absolutely crazy to me.

Quote - roadwarrior said @ #8
I went to one of the Target stores in my town (Jackson, MS) last night at 8 PM and there were about 5 people camped out already. This particular store wouldn't be selling them until they repoened at 8 AM this morning, so those people were camped out at least 12 hours before hand. And it was fairly cold last night too. Absolutely crazy to me.

For a potential $1000 profit, I'g gladly freeze my butt off for 12 hours.

not all that impressed by PS3 myself... but thats MY opinnion.. was watching one today and it was having trouble a few times keeping the frame rate up on highly detailed scenes.... remindes me of when the XBOX360 demo discs were out in stores before launch and king kong was doing that..

The ps3 is all hype. I have a xbox 360 and ps3 which I got this morning. I am using a sony kds-r70xbr2 srxd tv and the xbox 360 in 1080p looks way better than the ps3. It seems the video is much smoother with the xbox 360. I am using a vga to hdmi transcoder Link for the xbox 360 for the 1080p. I think I will dump the sony on ebay and make easy money. Too bad I had higher hopes with the ps3.

Quote - Mikee4fun said @ #7.1
The ps3 is all hype. I have a xbox 360 and ps3 which I got this morning. I am using a sony kds-r70xbr2 srxd tv and the xbox 360 in 1080p looks way better than the ps3. It seems the video is much smoother with the xbox 360. I am using a vga to hdmi transcoder Link for the xbox 360 for the 1080p. I think I will dump the sony on ebay and make easy money. Too bad I had higher hopes with the ps3.

Wow, really ignorant. You understand that the 360 software developer kit has been out for MUCH longer than the PS3's. Developers are not used to developing on the PS3 and as a result the 360 will look better first off.

Cole - that's not true. The 360 has superior hardware, so games will always look better on it.

This is evidenced by the fact that first-gen 360 games looked better than the first-gen PS3 games do (and they all ran much faster too).

In my opinion, the graphics of the PS3 look about the same as the Xbox 360's. The PS3 is a huge son-of-a-gun too!

Quote - tx83 said @ #6.1
Wrong by 3 words : MUCH MORE JAGGIES.

Edit : To everyone blind, it is the PS3 that have more

Yeah whats up with the AA on this thing? it looks like crap when its a slow moving object where you can clearly see the edges of it (when no motion blur is applied)

and the ps3 finally launches in North America's favorite store.....EBAY
i guessing 90% of the ps3s sold are going there

Quote - LOC said @ #4.1
Yup, probably. One sold for like 10K bucks last night in fact. Absolutely ridiculous if you ask me.

and that was proberly a Staged auction to hype every thing up.

Is it just me or does the graphics looks a lot uglier than those on X360 ?
Just look at IGN web site to compare.

They say they even get "frame-rate drop" problems also... ??!!??

I think Sony just lied once more on the power of his machine.
It makes me remember of the launch of (Playstation 1 & 2)
They said bullsh** before lauch on those too.

They surely hope Squaresoft will save their back once more.

Edit: corrected some sentences that were hard to read

Edit: look lower in the comments for a list of game that have problem

Quote - tx83 said @ #2
Is it just me or does the graphics looks a lot uglier than those on X360 ?
Just look at IGN web site to compare.

They say they even get "frame-rate drop" problems also... ??!!??

I think Sony just lied once more on the power of his machine.
It makes me remember of the launch of (Playstation 1 & 2)
They said bullsh** before lauch on those too.

They surely hope Squaresoft will save their back once more.

Edit: corrected some sentences that were hard to read


I hear the PS3 is awesome, and you have a bee in your bonnet.

Some games do look a bit better on the 360. But then again, Software developers have had much more time to get used to the 360 than the PS3, once they do, I think PS3 will own.

Quote - tx83 said @ #2
Is it just me or does the graphics looks a lot uglier than those on X360 ?
Just look at IGN web site to compare.

They say they even get "frame-rate drop" problems also... ??!!??

I think Sony just lied once more on the power of his machine.
It makes me remember of the launch of (Playstation 1 & 2)
They said bullsh** before lauch on those too.

Comparing graphics by screenshots is retarded. I can't tell you the countless screenshots I've seen that have made games look horribly nasty when they were actually quite beautiful in truth. Even more so if the screenshots are from a magazine.

My comment wasn't that Sony has forgotten Europe as usual and that they are making you wait for who knows how long before you get a PS3. Just that in the US (and Japan), and in Europe when it does launch, Sony can throw some nice launch events.

Quote - LOC said @ #1.1
My comment wasn't that Sony has forgotten Europe as usual and that they are making you wait for who knows how long before you get a PS3. Just that in the US (and Japan), and in Europe when it does launch, Sony can throw some nice launch events.

Dude, think what you are saying...a 'nice launch event'? When people are getting robbed, shot at and driven to hospital with injuries??? You must have some issues with your marketing professor if you think that a launch of a product accompanied by such events is 'nice'.

Sony are a$$holes, and they proved it once again with this campaign because if you create a hype about a product like that, you should be damn sure that you satisfy the major demand for it - no, they make people BEG them to pay the extortionate price for it. *******.

Quote - wicker_man said @ #1.4
Sony are a$$holes, and they proved it once again with this campaign because if you create a hype about a product like that, you should be damn sure that you satisfy the major demand for it - no, they make people BEG them to pay the extortionate price for it. *******.

I'm confused. I'm pretty sure they're still selling it at a loss. If you're going to complain, complain about the cost of games.

Quote - Brandon Live said @ #1.2
Yeah right... a launch with ~100,000 units... right on.

Well, it's either that or you could wait even longer when more are in stock. Your pick.