Poll: Did Microsoft's Xbox One DRM announcements change your opinion of the console?


Microsoft announced the Xbox One's DRM requirements today, and we want to know what you think.

Following a promise last week to release the digital rights management requirements of its upcoming Xbox One console, Microsoft made several announcements Thursday. Some of the console's DRM initiatives include the facts that it requires a connection to the Internet at least once every 24 hours to play games, publishers may restrict the trade-in of used games, and the next-generation Kinect sensor will only listen for the "Xbox on" command when in stand-by mode.

Few questions remain about the console's DRM requirements, but one question is perhaps more important than ever, it's just not for Microsoft to answer: Did the announcements impact how users feel about the Xbox One?

Many in the gaming community have already taken to social media outlets and gaming message boards to discuss their disdain for the DRM requirements, though the online gaming community doesn't always adequately represent the views of the gaming population as a whole. While Neowin also isn't a representation of the population as a whole, we want to know your thoughts. Do you care about the announcements? In what way? Or had you already made up your mind?

As always, feel free to discuss your thoughts in the comments below.

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Did Microsoft's Xbox One DRM announcements impact your opinion of the console?

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I've taken a "wait and see" approach on my opinions for the XBox One and PS4. That has not changed. I will likely only buy one console this time around so I want to get the one that best fits my needs and wants.

I will say that my perception is that MS has been more responsive to their customers than Sony. It is probably the main reason I use my 360 more than the PS3.

So, I can't hook this up in my car then? Maybe they will release a cellular version for those with no internet where they are, like, in a car? Probably not. Oh well.

I can handle the used game thing as its been the norm for ages on the pc, but the online check is a huge negative for me,

that said Ill probably end up buying the new xbox for a few games I just can't play on the PC

So tell me this , with so many Microsoft employees hiding on neowin why should I buy Xbox one over the ps4 when it is in fact slightly more powerful then the Xbox one . Why should I buy it ? In a few days Sony is going to drop the bomb on Xbox one Sony is in perfect place to ruin Microsoft if they play there cards right.

Every day I hear something new that makes Xbox one sound like something I would not even wish on my worst enemy. Not one of you can tell me or anyone that Xbox one us the way to go and that's a real shame . Even the wiiU sounds like a better option now. Ok your turn blast away guys

I'm in general agreement about Microsoft's terrible decisions, but that guy is annoying. He needs to take some chill pills or something. That anger isn't good for your health.

I will mostly be getting the Xbox One for the online features. I hope to download games from their store and use online services daily. I am not affected by used games or being online.

The online requirement and restrictions on lending games (or even buying them at a garage sale 10 years from now) drew the line and now I don't want the system. I was planning on buying both the One and PS4 but now I at least know I won't be getting the One. If the PS4 turns out the same way, I'll build a steam box and do my next generation gaming that way.

The reason I wasn't doing that already was because I didn't want to research what the best hardware would be, I didn't want to have to manage and test out different driver versions for my video card, I didn't want to get games that needed to be patched in order to work properly, etc. Now it's getting almost that complicated on consoles anyway, games are released with bugs, require patches, you need firmware updates... so I might as well move to PC. If the PS4 has similar DRM to the One, both Sony and MS will lose me.

I'm very disappointed that MS didn't learn from Ubisoft's DRM, EA's SimCity backlash, and from how positively Steam is viewed. It should have been obvious what direction to take with the One's DRM, but it seems like they didn't pay any attention at all and that they are getting this completely wrong and going against all logic.

Funny reading fanboys comments that this is not a big deal....They will literally sell out their fellow consumer in favour of brand loyalty. Sad times indeed.

Totally agreed. I am a huge Halo fan, but sadly, will NOT be buying this garbage until they change their policies. There are better ways to handle these issues w/o causing massive head-ache to the consumer.

I hope a MAJOR backlash happens at launch, and they don't sell. Considering how word-of-mouth went when all of this was just rumor...I'm hoping now that news spreads even faster that it's official.

Slightly off-topic (a little bit of a tangent). I think that we're at a crossroad concerning DRM and digital media. The way people react to these "rumours" will help define the future of DRM.

Make no mistake. What companies what to do is one thing and one thing only. Maximise their shareholder's wealth. Game piracy is not as high in consoles as it is in PCs, and one way that companies can maximise their shareholder's wealth is to monetise games in every way possible -- and such sort of DRM bull is the way to go.

I foresee a future where I invite some friends to play, say, FIFA on my newest console. When they try to log-in to play a game, those who don't own a copy of FIFA will be asked to pay a "small fee" as to have a license to play the game. That might sound absurd to you now, but it would certainly sound absurd as well 20 years ago if I told anybody about this Xbox One DRM bull.

I am glad that EA got such a bashing for SimCity and their connectivity issue, I really do (even though they had the nerve to say such requirement has nothing to do with DRM -- yet people managed to crack the game to work without such requirement). One would hope they learned their lesson, but it isn't the first time EA got such bashing (remember the game Spore?) and it won't be the last.

the 24 hour 'rule' is the rule that's plain silly, it shouldn't be that strict.
Lot's of people already wrote how this makes it impossible to take the XBox One on vacation for say a couple of days. I can relate to that.

The sharing functionality between family members and such of games is nice.
The selling/buying of a 2nd hand game will be more difficult soon, as most of the games will go online anyway. like Steam.....

SO... The general census seems to be a group for bettering the market for all of us gamers and not restricting everyone at every corner for those nickles and dimes, and then a group of selfish, ignorant, and uninformed- thinking that more limitations to what consumers do with products they own is a good thing. At least the polls put faith that most of us have some common sense and see this as a slippery slope that we don't want to go down.
I think yahtzee put it best - http://www.escapistmagazine.co.../7417-Next-Gen-Buyers-Guide
This isnt about gaming and having fun anymore. It's a market to make profits off of, and used to nickle and dime the users. The expense, some of the hobbies a lot of us grew up on are going to be controlled so tightly that having fun is going to be a chore.

As long as Sony does not do the same thing with the PS4, this will be my first PlayStation console that I will own. I'm completely done with XBOX.

I don't understand why people are in uproar with the privacy of this when we all carry around smart phones which have, camera's in the front, microphones, always connected to the internet, even know our location. Also not just in our living room, we take them absolutely everywhere!

Not to mention that 68% (ish) are run on software provided by the 'privacy kings' Google.

And on the subject of DRM people who buy used games... Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, all publishers and developers don't want you to have a console, they don't care about you, they don't make any money from you.

Whilst I don't like extortion, I do like games and the only way I am going to get them is if publishers continue to make money from making them for us. If Sony follows suit (and I suspect they will) or even if they don't, prices of games will fall, just like they do on steam, because publishers know they are getting their cut without the consequence of loosing another sale through a second hand game.

I can tell my phone to not log data, disable its data connections and even completely block the connection to the tower. The phone will still work, its offline capabilities will not be limited because I have not 'reported in' for a period of time.

Also I personally don't always take my phone with me, and regularly disable its connection. Feels liberating some times

Couldn't agree more about feeling liberating but not what I was trying to say and a conversation for another day.

The fact that you can turn the data etc off is exactly what I mean. If we can turn off the information we send to them apart from the 24 hour thing I see no difference. So what I was trying to say is that we trust that when we set our privacy settings on our phones, e-mail, facebook etc we trust that it will do so (bearing in mind that not all the public are as capable as most of us on this site) It's those saying I don't trust that microsoft aren't getting this data anyway that I am asking why there is not the same questions over your android/iphone?

I am confident that if the privacy settings aren't up to scratch, people with the skills, like you seem to have, will call them out and things will change, either voluntarily or through intervention of authorities. such as the whole Facebook privacy setting thing for example and what is going on with google.

My opinion was unfavourable before, and it still is now. As Ubisoft learned to their own cost connectivity related DRM is never popular with gamers. Consoles are more popular with gamers that have no Internet access and this move will pretty much shut them out of the market.

Javik said,
My opinion was unfavourable before, and it still is now. As Ubisoft learned to their own cost connectivity related DRM is never popular with gamers. Consoles are more popular with gamers that have no Internet access and this move will pretty much shut them out of the market.

Same here. This connection requirement is the dumbest thing ever. So, there should be some sort of guarantee if this unit becomes unplayable because MS's servers are down or my connection is down and i'm unable to play a game. I really hope this console never sells well, but I'm sure it will be the best selling thing the first week it's out. Here's hoping for a class-action lawsuit re: the potential connectivity issues but I'm not holding my breath.

Sorry to bust your bubble...but the law has been changed 'by lobbyists of course'...so that no longer can you do a class-action lawsuit. You can only take the company to small-claims court.

greensabath said,
Sorry to bust your bubble...but the law has been changed 'by lobbyists of course'...so that no longer can you do a class-action lawsuit. You can only take the company to small-claims court.

Well, it doesn't matter to me either way because I won't be buying one. I just hope other sensible people do the same seeing how it's always the consumer that tends to get screwed.

Normal everyday users are going to have tons of issues with these policies. They are way way to complicated, people are going to be really ****ed and the fact you need a chart to keep up with what you can and cannot do is not going to fly.

MS should have just bit the bullet and gone 100% digital distribution, they are trying a hybrid model that may appease publishers and gamestop but it is way to complex for normal users to grasp and it cuts out users with no consistent broadband internet access.

This stuff is just way to different then the previous gen, they should have just gradually transitioned to digital only distribution.

If Sony does something similar to this the next gen is going to be very painful for the industry.

I was rooting for it, but now I definitely view it more negatively. I'm pretty sure I won't be buying the Xbox One.

I don't know why they didn't just stick with the current system of installing to the HDD and then having the disc in just to run security checks. They update the disc security system format anyway every few months. I remember the way it used to be, when a game was installed, the disc used to just spin straight down as soon as you started playing, on the latest format it stays running, and laser-jiggles for a bit before spinning down.

If it ain't broke don't fix it! As for piracy, you can't stop hackers, they're always 10 steps ahead of the big "security experts". I'm not always connected to Live, as I don't like playing online, too many American cheater babies out to ruin races and achievements. The only time I use Live is to update gamerscore, cloud saves and to do co-op with mates, which is a small percentage of my time on the console. But that's just my personal case, people are different, whatever suits you, you can't please everyone all of the time

What do you mean? If the game is installed on the 360, and the disc is in the tray, it is never accessed at all. The only 'reading' of the disc that is done, is when you initially put the disc back into the system. I can have a game sitting in my 360 for a week, the only time the disc ever was accessed, was on the initial insertion to identify what game it is. When I turn my 360 on/off, and then click on the game, the disc is never re-accessed again.

This is different with PS3 then.
Where games can be installed and load data from both the disk and the harddrive at the same time.
It's still slow as hell though

Sorry, Done with Xbox now, If I can't buy used games then it's a deal breaker for me.

I'm not paying $60+ for every game!

To make it worse! I keep reading that the publisher want to jack new game sale up to $70 -$80

So publishers will now get the luxury of more money for a game, and get the benefit of more sales since you will no longer be able to by a used Xbox One game. Sounds great for them! But they will not get my money.

Entertainment is getting too expensive! Cable TV, Sat Radio, Gaming, Music.

Just my two cents*

* due to inflation: two cents is only worth a penny now

Always online is what Ubisoft did - this console won't kick you out if you lose the connection unless you play an online game. Why does everyone equal "online every 24 hours" with "always online"?

Lamp Post said,
Why does everyone equal "online every 24 hours" with "always online"?

Because they are stupid.
I bet you most people that complain about this have a smartphone, they don't realize they are always on either way.

comparing a video game to a cell phone and service, making broad leaps there. Whats next, pedophile being compared to gay marriage? No one will take you seriously when you speak such nonsense.

ArthJar said,

Because they are stupid.
I bet you most people that complain about this have a smartphone, they don't realize they are always on either way.

My smartphone will continue to work without being crippled (outside online services) when there is no connection, even if there is no connection for more then a day, weeks or months.
Compare that to not being able to play offline games because it hasn't checked in for 24hours... haha
I for one don't always want to play online, I enjoy a game single player too.

shakey said,
comparing a video game to a cell phone and service, making broad leaps there. Whats next, pedophile being compared to gay marriage? No one will take you seriously when you speak such nonsense.

What's with all the leaps to pedophiles in the comments here?

I was thinking of jumping ship back to the Microsoft camp because I havent played though a Playstation properly since God of War 4, but yeah, those features that have currently been announced and how the Xbox seems to cater for people who watch tv, yeah that just doesn't o it for me. I haven't watched TV in literally 2 years now. I download ALL my current tv viewing and watch it on the train to and from work, that's it. Dont get me wrong however, what M$ have done with how one interacts with the TV is great, but for me, personally, im first and foremost a gamer. The Playstation so far ticks the boxes that Xbox One cannot because of these silly decisions with the console. So yeah, voted as its definitively a negative thing. Ill be sticking with the Playstation camp.

I wonder how many gamers are going to change their mind when Microsoft shows off the exclusive games. E3 is gonna be hilarious. There are some people that can't afford to do this with their console and that sucks but oh well.

I don't know about you, but I'm looking forward to playing Forza. They're doing this DRM thing for the publishers, and nobody LIKES regulations, but I don't really see this getting between me and my ability to play.

Zedox said,
I wonder how many gamers are going to change their mind when Microsoft shows off the exclusive games. E3 is gonna be hilarious. There are some people that can't afford to do this with their console and that sucks but oh well.

Other people on the other hand are pragmatic adults with slightly higher emotional intelligence, and they understand that games are only that: games.

As a consumer, the used game restrictions and their use of DRM offer me no benefit whatsoever. Microsoft has clearly built the Xbox One around profitability to appeal to game publishers. This is going to lose Microsoft a lot of business, mine included.

Even if you these restrictions have little to no impact on you we should demand a consumer-centric product by boycotting the Xbox One. Stand up for what is right and don't buy it.

Now I really don't see why people have a problem with the used game policy, it seems to work just like it should. You can buy a game, then sell it again. Isn't that what the concept is about anyways?

And the DRM, does that refer to having to be connected to the internet every 24 hours? If that is really a problem and it leaves the console unusable for the majority, wouldn't it lead to the majority not buying the console because they cannot make good use of the media features or the games at all?
And if it's not a real problem for the majority, I cannot see why it should be boycotted. It's a gaming console, it's not a human right.

And then there is us that want it for the media features, why should we boycott it because games don't like their used games policy?

Also, if you're really gonna boycott, wouldn't it make more sense to boycott the GAMES on it as THAT is what affects the game industry (who are pushing for this)?

Lamp Post said,
Also, if you're really gonna boycott, wouldn't it make more sense to boycott the GAMES on it as THAT is what affects the game industry (who are pushing for this)? [...]

I think everybody should be able to boycott (read: refuse to be a customer of) whatever corporation they see fit. That's the beauty of living in a non-totalitarian regime and competitive market. I boycott several companies I don't appreciate*. In this case, our friend here wants to avoid buying a console that provides a platform for a DRM method that he doesn't agree with. I think this is a legitimate response, and he should give a flying f* whether you, me or anybody else thinks.

* It is hard sometimes to stick to a boycott when the company you "dislike" has what you believe (by your standards) to be a superior product. Then would you bite the bullet, or go for your second best?

PS: Your "its not human rights" non-sequitur was a good laugh. I mean, it was sarcasm right?

Edited by pmdci, Jun 7 2013, 6:18pm :

Win8 adoption was not enough, now they attack their own xbox line. Gratz to whoever is the dumba** at the helm at MS.

wixostrix said,
They'll cave on this. It's too extreme. You should at be able to play games that are installed and have the disc for.

Maybe they'll require you to put the disc in then? The posts they made don't go into details about not having a connection. The other features that come with the online check are nice though, IMO. Having access to my library on any Xbox One, without having to have the disc with me. Allowing my sister to access my library on her X1 as a family member so she can play some of the games I own without having to buy them again and playing them while I can still play them to.

So it's kinda a trade off, do you want to be able to take your library anywhere with you digitally without a disc or do you want to be tied to a disc all the time and not go online at all? I'd have to think they have a fallback setting to take into account outages from ISPs that last longer than a day though.

GP007 said,

Maybe they'll require you to put the disc in then? The posts they made don't go into details about not having a connection. The other features that come with the online check are nice though, IMO. Having access to my library on any Xbox One, without having to have the disc with me. Allowing my sister to access my library on her X1 as a family member so she can play some of the games I own without having to buy them again and playing them while I can still play them to.

So it's kinda a trade off, do you want to be able to take your library anywhere with you digitally without a disc or do you want to be tied to a disc all the time and not go online at all? I'd have to think they have a fallback setting to take into account outages from ISPs that last longer than a day though.

The posts do go into details about requiring a connection...

"Because every Xbox One owner has a broadband connection"

"Networking Requirements: While a persistent connection is not required, Xbox One is designed to verify if system, application or game updates are needed and to see if you have acquired new games, or resold, traded in, or given your game to a friend."

If requiring the disc for verification is an option, they need to be telling people that RIGHT NOW. It probably isn't though, because that technology has been defeated time and time again.

I hope you are right, but this isn't what they are telling us, so what are we to think?

wixostrix said,
They'll cave on this. It's too extreme. You should at be able to play games that are installed and have the disc for.

Just like they "caved" with Windows 8, right? No, they will offer some half-assed attempt to mitigate the damage, but they will keep things anti-consumer. It's Microsoft, after all. When have they EVER put the customer first?

John Nemesh said,

Just like they "caved" with Windows 8, right? No, they will offer some half-assed attempt to mitigate the damage, but they will keep things anti-consumer. It's Microsoft, after all. When have they EVER put the customer first?

Not the same situation at all and they are not anti-consumerism. Microsoft has done plenty for their consumers.

I think I'll wait until after E3 to make any plans about it.

Regarding complaining about the 24 hour connect thing... it seems that early on, MS designed the X1 to use cloud services to bolster its performance and tie into dynamic media. On a purely technical level, I would put money on there being something in their APIs etc that means games simply will not work offline. That was obviously a mistake.

Zagadka said,
I think I'll wait until after E3 to make any plans about it.

Regarding complaining about the 24 hour connect thing... it seems that early on, MS designed the X1 to use cloud services to bolster its performance and tie into dynamic media. On a purely technical level, I would put money on there being something in their APIs etc that means games simply will not work offline. That was obviously a mistake.


You're probably right.

hagjohn said,
It never turns out as bad as what the doomsayers think.

Well, that is what we were all thinking before it was all confirmed by Microsoft yesterday. Yes, it IS as bad as we feared.

im skipping this entire next gen, my 360 is never hooked up to live at all why should the xbox one have to be? and i hate this allways online ****

F*%$ you Microsoft. The internet connectivity scenario in India is messed up. Too harsh FUP policies. I need a complete offline gaming console.

My opinion just changed from "Must Buy" to "Do not Buy".

Even 100 DotMatrixes cannot alter the course of this poll.

sanke1 said,

Even 100 DotMatrixes cannot alter the course of this poll.

LOL! Thanks for the laugh before I head to bed.

sanke1 said,
F*%$ you Microsoft. The internet connectivity scenario in India is messed up. Too harsh FUP policies. I need a complete offline gaming console.

My opinion just changed from "Must Buy" to "Do not Buy".

Even 100 DotMatrixes cannot alter the course of this poll.

Judging by the fact that half of the Xbone's functionality is US only, they are just short of saying that they dont care about the foreign markets at all!

There's one very big business point which people are not seeing.

If Sony don't implement similar features to help the publishers. They're simply not going to make games/as many games for other consoles.

JonnyLH said,
There's one very big business point which people are not seeing.

If Sony don't implement similar features to help the publishers. They're simply not going to make games/as many games for other consoles.

That's not true because if 80% of the marketshare was Playstation then they be biting sonys hands off - at the end of the day there are pirates out there which you will never stop because they wouldnt care about online and just hack it to disable the drm for offline only.
Game developers would still make more profit from sales for a non drm console

Publishers will want a slice of the cake.
More people owning a PS4 = more money for the publishers.

Business 101 really.

Raa said,
Publishers will want a slice of the cake.
More people owning a PS4 = more money for the publishers.

Business 101 really.


Absolutely. Long term this does NOT help Microsoft...

Raa said,
Publishers will want a slice of the cake.
More people owning a PS4 = more money for the publishers.

Business 101 really.

Uhm...you are ASSUMING Sony won't have the same thing implemented.

JonnyLH said,
There's one very big business point which people are not seeing.

If Sony don't implement similar features to help the publishers. They're simply not going to make games/as many games for other consoles.

Initially, that may be and likely will be true.

Did you ever take economics in school?

The caveat is this. Let's say the PS4 doesn't follow suit in some manner (which I would bet isn't going to happen. PS4's outsell the XboxOne by a large margin over this outcry if all the internet posters actually do as they say (post). That then means all these game developers will be losing money... and a lot.

So the game developers will then have a choice;

A - Force Sony to implement the features that the XboxOne has which the consumer has flat out rejected by not buying the XboxOne.

B - Start developing games for the PS4.

The question then becomes why would Sony choose to do A? And if A doesn't happen than Game Developers have a choice;

A - downsize or go bankrupt

B - develop games for the PS4

Ultimately, the question is does the consumer really see these features as such a game breaker that they can pass up on perhaps larger game catalog, OR wait MS and the Developers out and go PS4 (again only if the PS4 doens't follow suit).

Zedox said,

Uhm...you are ASSUMING Sony won't have the same thing implemented.


Can we stop hammering on this?

Sony got a strong selling point for a big group of people. Maybe not a majority in the market. But it can be upto a few % marketshare for the PS4......
Like Sony is going to shoot itself in the foot on purpose and not take that few % of marketshare by allowing the console to be used entirely while offline.

Besides that they've already let known the Console can work without internet without being crippled like the X1.

Then you would know that most people who will probably choose another console over this information will be enthusiasts like me and you.

This information could possibly lower total sales by a couple %? With the PS3, most of their consoles are Asia based so most of their market reach is in Asian countries whereas the Xbox is more western.

If you knew economics, then clearly you'd know there's so many different factors involved and sales would never take a double figure nose-dive. Windows 8 had and still has a similar controversy around it. Did the sales take a hit? Possibly, but its still selling in the same rate as W7.

Yes, it has changed my opinion. After dealing with Sim City and EA's always on requirement, my life is forever changed on that subject.

the statement says trade in games to places like gamestop, but what about buying used games off ebay for example? I don't play games religiously and happily play older games that I've picked up for sub £10 direct from other people rather than through shops.

anthdci said,
the statement says trade in games to places like gamestop, but what about buying used games off ebay for example? I don't play games religiously and happily play older games that I've picked up for sub £10 direct from other people rather than through shops.

I bought half of my current 360 and PS3 games at pawn shops! WAY cheaper than GameStop!

The biggest problem with this is that its too complex. Who the hell want to figure out all that! And if PS4 doesn't have something similar , obviously many gamers would go for the PS4 instead.

gawicks said,
The biggest problem with this is that its too complex. Who the hell want to figure out all that! And if PS4 doesn't have something similar , obviously many gamers would go for the PS4 instead.

Absolutely. And none of it is even necessary... Why require installs at all? Why did they need to reinvent the wheel to create a problem that doesn't even solve another?

Quicker load times since it is installing it to a drive. Optical read times are slower than HDDs (old school hard drives) read times which are slower than SSD (Solid State Drives) read times.

My gaming rig has 3 drives. One SSD with the OS and games installed on it. A regular HDD with "other" applications installed to that drive, and a larger HDD used for user profiles.

I've pre-ordered the xbox one & the ps4.... I'm going to cancel my xbox preorder cas of this... and if Sony do the same I will cancel my preorder for that too..

SO if sony don't do this, I think they will win alot of custom - If they do then i will be reverting back to PC gaming.

Steam allows full off-line play.

After Hurricane Sandy, I was without power and on generator for about a week. My internet was up and down for little over a week beyond that with a short consistent stretch after power was restored. Not sure why in my case, but I know in NYC that many COs were entirely under water (salt water) and had to be entirely replaced.

One has to question if at all? Does it check in even when in standby mode? Or does it call home only when you power it up to use it? If the latter is the case then beware. After my power was restored, my internet cable was always out for a good 3-4 day stretch in the late afternoon/evenings, yet my kids shows were recorded by the DVR during late morning /early afternoon stretch. Guess when I come home and have any time to fire up my gaming unit of choice?

I was however able to play my Steam games during that entire time.

Houtei said,
Yeah because pc games don't have DRM specially steam! :Sarcasm

Not everything is black and white. DRM isn't completely evil, and refusal to consider honest reasons FOR DRM shows a lack of honesty.

Steam is popular because it does DRM "right". It gives enough incentive and bonuses (Friends, cloud, sales, etc) to make up for the DRM that's sitting in the background.

Compared to many other DRM concepts that screw honest customers where the sole reason is to hamper honest people (pirates get around it) with no benefits for the problems...

What remains to be seen is how companys use/abuse a console where they can implement and restrict users and where Sony plans on going in response.

wernercd said,

Not everything is black and white. DRM isn't completely evil [...]

I believe in the bona fide of your argument. I also have a steam account and I bought games in there in the past. What I do believe it will be the cherry on the top of the Steam cake is if for any reason a game is no longer supported, that Steam should allow people that downloaded the game in the past to obtain a non DRM copy of the game.

I would rather pirate any software rather than buy a DRM copy that could put me in a position of one day not be able to install it, no matter how rightful the developer of such software might think they are.

Houtei said,
Yeah because pc games don't have DRM specially steam! :Sarcasm

Steam has a ONE TIME authentication for single player games. After that, play offline as much as you want.

Also, there are more ways to get games on your PC than just Steam!

Will only buy the console when and if someone hack the hell out of it. Then, since the console will be hacked and not playable in the official Xbox Live network, then I will have no reason/motivation to buy games.

Why does anyone care? Who the hell isn't connected to the internet?
And whenever I've lent games to friends, I've never seen them again.

Tom Chapman said,
Why does anyone care? Who the hell isn't connected to the internet?
And whenever I've lent games to friends, I've never seen them again.
The true fingers in the ears, "it doesnt affect me so why should I care response". Think about people in other countries for a second. India, Brazil, Mexico to name but a few. Heck even the UK hasnt got a robust broadband infrastructure outside of cities and just because you are too weak willed to get your lent games back means its not an issue for others?

Tom Chapman said,
Why does anyone care? Who the hell isn't connected to the internet?
And whenever I've lent games to friends, I've never seen them again.

And who named you the sole sample that represents the entire population of gamers?

the better twin said,
The true fingers in the ears, "it doesnt affect me so why should I care response".

So I should care that it might affect you why? I'm not you.

Tom Chapman said,
Why does anyone care? Who the hell isn't connected to the internet?
And whenever I've lent games to friends, I've never seen them again.

you aren't a child so paedophilia doesn't affect you, right? Why should you care, you aren't being raped.

torrentthief said,

you aren't a child so paedophilia doesn't affect you, right? Why should you care, you aren't being raped.


Minor inconvenience vs life altering event. Hmmmmm. Doesn't work.

We care because we are looking at the grand picture. This is bigger than you, it's bigger than me. Not everyone lives in an area with reliable or in some cases Internet period.

Tom Chapman said,
Why does anyone care? Who the hell isn't connected to the internet?
And whenever I've lent games to friends, I've never seen them again.

In another words, it's all good because you have internet and can't keep up with your games to begin with. Sound logic.

JHBrown said,
We care because we are looking at the grand picture. This is bigger than you, it's bigger than me. Not everyone lives in an area with reliable or in some cases Internet period.

Then you should be happy about this, because it will drive people to be angry with ISPs for not providing the services they've promised time and again. Hell, most ISPs are probably being paid to extend service to outlying areas, and aren't actually doing it.

Tom Chapman said,
Why does anyone care? Who the hell isn't connected to the internet?
And whenever I've lent games to friends, I've never seen them again.

What about people at colleges, or in the service... In many cases they are not permitted to connect online...

And the XBox and 360 were both huge in those very markets...

As for loaning games to a friend, what about buying a game off eBay? This won't be able to be done anymore, and I'm sure that impacts a lot of people.

Ignoring the fact that this is all the result of them trying to find a solution to a problem THEY CREATED, which I find particularly infuriating...

torrentthief said,

you aren't a child so paedophilia doesn't affect you, right? Why should you care, you aren't being raped.

Why are you comparing internet connectivity to child molestation?

the better twin said,
Think about people in other countries for a second. India, Brazil, Mexico to name but a few. Heck even the UK hasnt got a robust broadband infrastructure outside of cities and just because you are too weak willed to get your lent games back means its not an issue for others?

It doesn't affect ME, so why should I boycott or hate a product that is fine for me? Sure, people without internet can get upset, but i don't see why I should.

Enron said,

Why are you comparing internet connectivity to child molestation?

Demagogy is the last resort of those who are full of BS -- that's why

the better twin said,
The true fingers in the ears, "it doesnt affect me so why should I care response". Think about people in other countries for a second. India, Brazil, Mexico to name but a few. Heck even the UK hasnt got a robust broadband infrastructure outside of cities and just because you are too weak willed to get your lent games back means its not an issue for others?

First world problems, eh? Isn't the world horrible?

See, if people have too lousy internet connection to use the console, I suggest they don't buy it. Get something else which works better for them.

For us that DO have good enough internet connection for this console, we might find it to be great, and I see no reason why we shouldn't get to enjoy it because of your first world problems.

pmdci said,

And who named you the sole sample that represents the entire population of gamers?


He just said that he cannot imagine who wouldn't be connected to the internet, he didn't claim to represent everyone.

there's always one in the forums talking about people in the Himalayas who don't have internet...like somehow the ps4 will do anything worthwhile without it....you don't think MS has stats from live and worldwide stats on whop is buying and has bought xboxs??? or do you think your so business savvy that you know more than they do??? how bout we wait and see what sony does if not on launch but directly after it...they want you to use the half a billion dollar purchase they made for cloud gaming and how do you suppose that will happen??? idiot....

Yeah some people got it tough and the xbox one is not for them. Its just like anything else I mean damn those TV makers and how they alienate all those people that cant get electricity!

Seriously though everyone on here complaining obviously has good enough internet to use a few bytes to check in once every 24hrs. You used more than that to make your post.

torrentthief said,

you aren't a child so paedophilia doesn't affect you, right? Why should you care, you aren't being raped.

Throw Godwin in there as well: You aren't a Jew in Germany, so who cares if there are a few gas chambers built there?

Think of the Children AND the Jews!

Talk about over-reaching in an argument... grasping for straws. Not everything is 'OMG ITS THE END OF TEH WURLD!'.

Odds are I'll buy an XB1 simply to control my Cable Box and ignore games. If I do get games, it sucks that I'll have to keep an eye on whether a company is known for stupid DRM (like EA).

I'll most likely spurn PS4, because well... !#$^ Sony. They'll put everything into PS4, then remove half of it with updates and then put a rootkit that wasn't there before.

But that's my decision, and I don't think comparing my decision to the Pedobear is good for the debate.

No matter what the argument is, the X1 should be able to be used in offline mode,play single player games. Not everything has to be multiplayer now is it.
Same for SimCity, fun game and all and didn't mind the online at first. Untill I wanted to do single player, my own region. Frustrating that I have to wait for the frigging internet on many actions.

If your internet dies, the thing many people turn to, is their consoles. Mighty fine and all that you can watch TV and play music, but with everything in the cloud and no internet, the Xbox One is completely worthless, just an expensive gimmicky dvd/bluray player.

It didn't change my mind much, going for a PS4, but this is due to GT and PSN+, this 'always-online' thing just made me happy I've stuck with Sony the current generation, I had hope for MS in the console world

Shadowzz said,

If your internet dies, the thing many people turn to, is their consoles.

Omg you mean we have to go outside to do something now?!??!??!!111! Think of the children!!!

God I love the Internet. [/sarcasm]

Tom Chapman said,
Why does anyone care? Who the hell isn't connected to the internet?
And whenever I've lent games to friends, I've never seen them again.

And Microsoft's servers NEVER go down, right? So NOW when there is an outage, you wont be able to do anything with your Xbrick but watch TV and Blu-Ray movies.

Was already fearing the worst with the rumours. Just confirmed it for me. Who would want a DRM packing, used game blocking, always online, mandatory Kinect packing TV box.
Always been an Xbox fan up to now. Microsoft have shove it.

the better twin said,
Was already fearing the worst with the rumours. Just confirmed it for me. Who would want a DRM packing, used game blocking, always online, mandatory Kinect packing TV box.
Always been an Xbox fan up to now. Microsoft have shove it.

Me. Now move along.

the better twin said,
Was already fearing the worst with the rumours. Just confirmed it for me. Who would want a DRM packing, used game blocking, always online, mandatory Kinect packing TV box.
Always been an Xbox fan up to now. Microsoft have shove it.

I don't care much about DRM on a console (not sure what part people refer to as DRM anyways), I only buy used games if I cannot get a new copy of the game (most games I'm aware of well in time, so I buy them on release), I always have access to internet (if my router should fail, I have my phone or my neighbours router), and the Kinect is one of things I really look forward to (being able to tell my TV to turn when I enter the door is gonna be awesome). So I surely want it.

AWilliams87 said,
View more negatively. It's to bad there really isn't anything compelling about the PS4 for me to buy it over the Xbox.

except a 50% faster gpu, no spying kinect and like a good policy for used games? Sounds pretty compelling to me!

torrentthief said,

except a 50% faster gpu, no spying kinect and like a good policy for used games? Sounds pretty compelling to me!


enough with the 50%faster gpu fud, on the shaders front only it has about 40% more capacity, with the shaders being only one part of the overall equation.

duddit2 said,

enough with the 50%faster gpu fud, on the shaders front only it has about 40% more capacity, with the shaders being only one part of the overall equation.

Also the fact that the specifics of Xbox One tech specs are still rumours?

Deranged said,

you mean the spying that isn't happening, or the spying that isn't happening? http://www.shacknews.com/artic...nect-privacy-tools-detailed

So why is it required to be plugged in for the console to function? I'm not claiming they are lying and they are really spying on you but Microsoft wants people to become comfortable with the idea of this passive monitoring concept little by little till most people are so used to the Kinect just hanging out that they don't care. Then when options change and privacy policies are altered and the tech is used to gather interest and engagement metrics most people won't bat an eye.

Other than the fancy "Xbox On" command and not seeing the message "this game requires Kinect, please plug it in now" what is one good reason for the consumer to have it always accessible?

Blame Microsoft for that. They'll tell you how many transistors they have, but forget them telling you what any of that means to the end user.

torrentthief said,

except a 50% faster gpu, no spying kinect and like a good policy for used games? Sounds pretty compelling to me!


Like I implied in my reply, those things (used game policy and the likes) have swung me to view the Xbox One negatively. But the new features on the PS4 themselves aren't compelling. The PS eyes is just a knockoff of the Kinect and does less. The touchscreen share button controller is a complete gimmick. Where am I going to share my clips to? Facebook? Also, cloud saving of game files can be done now on the current Xbox.

Honestly, for me personally, I can't imagine losing internet for 24-hours or more. And if I do, I still couldn't play Xbox anyway since I'm usually playing online games.

AmazingRando said,

So why is it required to be plugged in for the console to function? I'm not claiming they are lying and they are really spying on you but Microsoft wants people to become comfortable with the idea of this passive monitoring concept little by little till most people are so used to the Kinect just hanging out that they don't care. Then when options change and privacy policies are altered and the tech is used to gather interest and engagement metrics most people won't bat an eye.

Other than the fancy "Xbox On" command and not seeing the message "this game requires Kinect, please plug it in now" what is one good reason for the consumer to have it always accessible?

Well maybe itrs required as its one of the main selling points and games will be made with the assumption that kinnect is plugged in and active (or it wont work correctly).

Personally, being able to come downstairs in the morning and just say "xbox on, TV" and have the xbox turn on the TV, cable box etc without me finding a remote, just as I'm walking through to switch the kettle on, is a top geeky thing to have.

AmazingRando said,
what is one good reason for the consumer to have it always accessible?

That's kind of obvious. Voice control. You won't need to pick up a controller at all. Of course there'll still be a GUI, but most of the time you won't need it. How many versions of annoying nested menus did the X360 go through?

torrentthief said,

except a 50% faster gpu, no spying kinect and like a good policy for used games? Sounds pretty compelling to me!


Kinect spying? Really?? Why comment on an article when it's clear you didn't read any of the announcements?

dude your an idiot who buys into anything said anywhere anytime....you need to get a clue and work out which company has the longest history of region locking, root kitting drm bonanzas and ask yourself why they aren't getting out and fielding more detailed questions and giving more detailed answers...

Because if kinect is always on they can make developers make use of it because they will know every xbox one user has one and its worth it. Kinda like the sony made games incorporate the extra motion functions of the ps3 controller.

Not to mention that RIGHT AFTER Microsoft said that they respect our privacy, this whole PRISM mess came out. So it's "we respect your privacy, unless the government tells us not to."!

duddit2 said,

Well maybe itrs required as its one of the main selling points and games will be made with the assumption that kinnect is plugged in and active (or it wont work correctly).

Personally, being able to come downstairs in the morning and just say "xbox on, TV" and have the xbox turn on the TV, cable box etc without me finding a remote, just as I'm walking through to switch the kettle on, is a top geeky thing to have.

I agree and like the idea myself. However the way they did it doesnt help calm the FUD that its spying on you all the time. They could've easily said, "Dont like the idea, dont trust the software is disabled? Unplug it. It's cool."

Deranged said,

That's kind of obvious. Voice control. You won't need to pick up a controller at all. Of course there'll still be a GUI, but most of the time you won't need it. How many versions of annoying nested menus did the X360 go through?

The only voice control requiring it to always be connected is the "XBOX on". Which I think is cool as all hell, but requiring it to be there AND plugged in freaks some people out.

Same thing with Windows 8. Why not leave the Start Menu as a buried option? Not stating this up again, just saying people tend to like to have a lot of control over their devices.

AmazingRando said,

So why is it required to be plugged in for the console to function?

Where would you prefer it plugged into, the cooker? Not sure it would work to well there...