Microsoft's Surface Pro $100 price cuts to end today [Update: Price cut is now permanent]

Update: Microsoft has now sent Neowin a note that the $100 Surface Pro price cut is now a permanent one and will roll out in all markets where the Surface and Surface accessories are sold. Here's the official word:

  • $100 USD off Surface Pro (including the 256GB SKU) – Surface Pro will now start at $799 USD
  • $40 USD off Touch Covers – Touch Covers will now start at $79 USD, Limited Edition Touch Covers will now start at $89 USD
  • $50 USD off Surface RT bundles – Surface RT bundles will now start at $399 USD

Microsoft added:

The customer response to recent Surface pricing and keyboard-cover promotions has been exciting to see, and we are proud to begin rollout of Surface Pro, Touch Cover and Surface RT bundles at even more affordable prices starting 29 August. People who buy Surface love Surface, and we’re eager for more people to get their hands on this incredible device.

The only bad news is that there no price reduction for the Type Cover, which will remain at $129.99.

Original story: Earlier this month, Microsoft announced a $100 price cut on both the 64 GB and 128 GB models of its Surface Pro tablets, reducing the price points down to $799 and $899, respectively. However, that deep reduction was only supposed to be a temporary sale.

According to Microsoft's own Surface website, the sale on the Surface Pro tablets will end after today. So far, there's no indication that Microsoft intends to keep those lower prices at this same level beyond August 29th. We have contacted the company to see if they plan to extend the price cut indefinitely, but if you really want to get a Surface Pro, now might be a good time to do so. Microsoft did choose to permanently reduce the price of the Surface RT by $150 earlier this year.

There are some other unconfirmed rumors that Microsoft will cut the price of its Touch Cover keyboards for the Surface Pro and Surface RT models starting Friday from $119.99 to $79.99. Another unconfirmed report claims that the Surface RT-Touch Cover bundle will also get a permanent $50 price cut beginning on Friday. Again, Microsoft has yet to comment officially on these reports.

Source: Surface website | Image via Microsoft

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There are legitimate concerns regarding price of these things, but I think some people have series issues with reality. $399 for a tablet with an i5, Wacom digitizer and the build quality/design of the Surface Pro?

That can't happen thanks to the cost of components alone. But hey, if you want something @ $399 and can put up with something like Acer's build quality, then maybe acer will build a tablet with similar performance but cheaper and lower quality components.

Unloco said,
399 for the pro. I'll buy. $100.00 off? lol

$399 for an ultrabook with a i5, 128GB SSD, 1920x1080 IPS panel, and Wacom digitizer?

Yeah maybe in 1.5 years.

mrp04 said,

$399 for an ultrabook with a i5, 128GB SSD, 1920x1080 IPS panel, and Wacom digitizer?

Yeah maybe in 1.5 years.

Only an ultrabook is far superior in quality to a Surface Pro. You know there's a reason they dropped the price... turns out the Surface Pro isn't selling so well and it's time for them to make the next generation of terrible Windows 8 tablets.

By the way an ultrabook's bettery lasts longer than 5 hours. I think the minimum required is 6 hours from Intel AND it can do the same / more than the Surface PRO can AND they are roughly the same size and weight as a surface pro with keyboard.

Don't see a single reason to buy a Surface Pro over an Ultrabook. There are so many options too.

onionjuice said,

Only an ultrabook is far superior in quality to a Surface Pro. You know there's a reason they dropped the price... turns out the Surface Pro isn't selling so well and it's time for them to make the next generation of terrible Windows 8 tablets.

By the way an ultrabook's bettery lasts longer than 5 hours. I think the minimum required is 6 hours from Intel AND it can do the same / more than the Surface PRO can AND they are roughly the same size and weight as a surface pro with keyboard.

Don't see a single reason to buy a Surface Pro over an Ultrabook. There are so many options too.

If you aren't interested in touch screen and the ability to use it as a tablet then yeah, a ultrabook makes more sense because that money can go to better use.

But that's just it, you can use the surface pro as a tablet and it has a touch screen with Wacom technology. You can write on the screen. I did that all the time in college with my older tablet PCs.

And no, their quality isn't superior to the Surface. Surface has great build quality.

The Surface Pro isn't selling as well as they expected because they vastly overestimated their market. Tablet PCs have been around forever and have never sold as much as the iPad has, but they have their uses.

I don't see the point of removing the keyboard from a laptop. I don't think they quite understood that tablets are game and streaming media machines and not general purpose computers. They should have made the RT version the XBox Portable to make it clear it's for entertainment.

Spicoli said,
I don't see the point of removing the keyboard from a laptop. I don't think they quite understood that tablets are game and streaming media machines and not general purpose computers. They should have made the RT version the XBox Portable to make it clear it's for entertainment.

Why have two devices when one will do the job of both? With Haswell the battery life is pretty good (these Ivy Bridge ones weren't, but you have to start somewhere). The generation after Haswell will be better yet. Why have one strong, non-tablet device and one weak tablet device with miniscule storage capacity and have to worry about synchronizing and maintaining two different systems? One is better.

Why would a Chinese person want an English (Roman) keyboard? It's MUCH faster to enter Chinese characters using handwriting. Same with Japanese, Korean, Thai and many other languages where keyboards are a hindrance.

Spicoli said,
I don't see the point of removing the keyboard from a laptop. I don't think they quite understood that tablets are game and streaming media machines and not general purpose computers. They should have made the RT version the XBox Portable to make it clear it's for entertainment.

My only guess, after reading your comment, is that you have not yet tried out the device.

mrp04 said,

Why have two devices when one will do the job of both? With Haswell the battery life is pretty good (these Ivy Bridge ones weren't, but you have to start somewhere). The generation after Haswell will be better yet. Why have one strong, non-tablet device and one weak tablet device with miniscule storage capacity and have to worry about synchronizing and maintaining two different systems? One is better.

A laptop without a keyboard does nothing new for me. Why would I bother with it? In fact it degrades it making input painfully slow and handling awkward.

este said,

My only guess, after reading your comment, is that you have not yet tried out the device.

My only guess is you don't know an ad hominem is a fallacy. Stick to talking about the device and not the posters.

Spicoli said,

A laptop without a keyboard does nothing new for me. Why would I bother with it? In fact it degrades it making input painfully slow and handling awkward.

Surface Pro has a keyboard available

Nop.. still not buying it. When it turn out to be $350 then will think about it. The reason is desktop on Surface is useless and App quality is abysmal on MS store. Not interested in doing any productive work on Surface and it will be useless. I don't need Office suite as I already have it on desktop.

Auditor said,
The reason is desktop on Surface is useless

Thanks for letting me know. I don't know what I've been doing with mine all along then, morning to evening, 5 days a week, with my regular mouse, keyboard, 5.1 audio and 3 24" 1920x1200 monitors.

How do you hook 3 monitor from 1 surface? Did I read that right?

_dandy_ said,

Thanks for letting me know. I don't know what I've been doing with mine all along then, morning to evening, 5 days a week, with my regular mouse, keyboard, 5.1 audio and 3 24" 1920x1200 monitors.

_dandy_ said,

Thanks for letting me know. I don't know what I've been doing with mine all along then, morning to evening, 5 days a week, with my regular mouse, keyboard, 5.1 audio and 3 24" 1920x1200 monitors.

If that's what you have been doing then you would have been better off buying laptop under $350 and you would have gotten better power and efficiency rather than wasting $900 on Surface. For portability you could have bought nexus for $200 with a wide selection of quality apps. So for $550 you would gotten laptop for serious work and tablet for portability.

minster11 said,
How do you hook 3 monitor from 1 surface? Did I read that right?

Can use a DisplayPort hub or daisy-chainable DisplayPort monitors (such as the Dell U2413).

You could ALSO do USB 3.0 to video out adapter but the performance on those isn't so good.

Auditor said,

If that's what you have been doing then you would have been better off buying laptop under $350 and you would have gotten better power and efficiency rather than wasting $900 on Surface. For portability you could have bought nexus for $200 with a wide selection of quality apps. So for $550 you would gotten laptop for serious work and tablet for portability.

But neither would be as powerful as the Surface Pro and then you'd have to worry about which file is where.

Come on, a $350 laptop? What'll that get you? A Core i3 at best, 4GB RAM maybe, a 500GB 5400RPM hard drive and a ****ty 1366x768 TN screen.

Then when you want to leave your desk you have to ask yourself: Take the Nexus 7 with its small 7" screen. Is my file I need on there? Do I have to grab a keyboard? Is it charged? Or maybe you should take the unpleasant crappy laptop.

Or with the surface pro: just unplug and go.

Auditor said,

If that's what you have been doing then you would have been better off buying laptop under $350 and you would have gotten better power and efficiency rather than wasting $900 on Surface. For portability you could have bought nexus for $200 with a wide selection of quality apps. So for $550 you would gotten laptop for serious work and tablet for portability.

That's great, you can get two devices that aren't as powerful and flexible as a Surface Pro and now you have two separate systems to deal with.

mrp04 said,

Can use a DisplayPort hub or daisy-chainable DisplayPort monitors (such as the Dell U2413).

You could ALSO do USB 3.0 to video out adapter but the performance on those isn't so good.

I us the Surface Pro as my main machine for work. I have a port replicator over the USB3 port and use that to drive my keyboard, mouse, and two 1920x1200 monitors. The performance is fine -- although I'm mostly doing Word, Powerpoint, ,Visio, and some SSH sessions. The thing works great, and it's awesome to carry around to meetings or for travel. The screen is gorgeous (better than any laptop I've owned). I'm the only one using it at work (it's a POC), but several people in the office now want to get in on the action because they don't want the bulk of the laptop.

Win8 has some nuances that are a little annoying -- why, for example, when I load an audio file do I have to wait 5 seconds while you show me the splash screen for the audio playing app???? -- but overall, I love it.

Fezmid said,

I us the Surface Pro as my main machine for work. I have a port replicator over the USB3 port and use that to drive my keyboard, mouse, and two 1920x1200 monitors. The performance is fine -- although I'm mostly doing Word, Powerpoint, ,Visio, and some SSH sessions. The thing works great, and it's awesome to carry around to meetings or for travel. The screen is gorgeous (better than any laptop I've owned). I'm the only one using it at work (it's a POC), but several people in the office now want to get in on the action because they don't want the bulk of the laptop.

Win8 has some nuances that are a little annoying -- why, for example, when I load an audio file do I have to wait 5 seconds while you show me the splash screen for the audio playing app???? -- but overall, I love it.

I agree that the audio app/metro apps should open faster but on that end I think part of that time is taken up by it contacting the Xbox Music service to pull down info. I say this because I'm not in the US and I don't have access to Xbox Music in my market so for me the music app is just in it's stripped down local only form. And because of that it opens very quick on my desktop (i7 920, 2.6Ghz) probably because it doesn't try to connect to the Xbox Music service on the backend.

Fezmid said,
Win8 has some nuances that are a little annoying -- why, for example, when I load an audio file do I have to wait 5 seconds while you show me the splash screen for the audio playing app???? -- but overall, I love it.

Modern apps do take too long to load. Same on Windows Phone.

I use my tablet primarily in desktop mode (old style convertible: Lenovo X230T) so I set desktop programs as default for everything. No waiting for modern apps. I can still use modern apps by launching them implicitly.

_dandy_ said,

Thanks for letting me know. I don't know what I've been doing with mine all along then, morning to evening, 5 days a week, with my regular mouse, keyboard, 5.1 audio and 3 24" 1920x1200 monitors.

Yah I wanna know how it feels to be able to run Microsoft Word and Youtube on not one, not two, but THREE screens !!

Who needs desktops and laptops when you can run Youtube on 3 screens at the same time with a Surface Pro.

onionjuice said,
Yah I wanna know how it feels to be able to run Microsoft Word and Youtube on not one, not two, but THREE screens !!

Who needs desktops and laptops when you can run Youtube on 3 screens at the same time with a Surface Pro.

You stick to your cat videos. I run multiple remote desktop sessions all day.

Auditor said,
If that's what you have been doing then you would have been better off buying laptop under $350 and you would have gotten better power and efficiency rather than wasting $900 on Surface. For portability you could have bought nexus for $200 with a wide selection of quality apps. So for $550 you would gotten laptop for serious work and tablet for portability.

Find me a laptop that draws as little power as the Surface does, doesn't generate any heat, is practically silent and boots up also instantly and then we'll talk. Until then, the money difference is definitely worth more than any laptop to me. Don't pretend to know what works best for me and what I'm willing to spend for the convenience.

Edited by _dandy_, Aug 30 2013, 2:42pm :

mrp04 said,
Can use a DisplayPort hub or daisy-chainable DisplayPort monitors (such as the Dell U2413).

You could ALSO do USB 3.0 to video out adapter but the performance on those isn't so good.

I use a USB3 dock from Plugable (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI2UgP4MaoU) with VGA to USB3 adapters. Full-screen video is absolutely fine, though I can't say I've tried more than one 1080p video at a time; even if it things did slow down in such a scenario, I can't say I'd be too concerned for practical reasons.

Initially I was using three VGA/USB adapters, but I've switched two of those to the dock's own DVI, and the Surface's own mini-HDMI (?) connector as I already had the cable. For **** and giggles, at one point I hooked up 2 additional monitors (so, for a total of 6 displays, including the Surface's own) just to try it out--it was still performing fine.

_dandy_ said,

Find me a laptop that draws as little power as the Surface does, doesn't generate any heat, is practically silent and boots up also instantly and then we'll talk. Until then, the money difference is definitely worth more than any laptop to me. Don't pretend to know what works best for me and what I'm willing to spend for the convenience.

I have no interest in telling you where to throw your money. It's your money and you are free to do whatever you want. I let other reader to know the economics of tablet and if you like it then you take if you don't then its your choice. My money goes to purchase to laptop and desktop and anything but overprice piece of junk "Surface" which even MS is loosing tonnes of money.

Auditor said,

I have no interest in telling you where to throw your money. It's your money and you are free to do whatever you want. I let other reader to know the economics of tablet and if you like it then you take if you don't then its your choice. My money goes to purchase to laptop and desktop and anything but overprice piece of junk "Surface" which even MS is loosing tonnes of money.

Ok, you're absolutely free to tell "other readers" to spend money on both a laptop and an Android tablet, and then deal with the fact that you now have two devices and two OSes on your hands. If you feel the Surface is junk, then great, nobody's holding a gun to your head to buy one.

_dandy_ said,

Ok, you're absolutely free to tell "other readers" to spend money on both a laptop and an Android tablet, and then deal with the fact that you now have two devices and two OSes on your hands. If you feel the Surface is junk, then great, nobody's holding a gun to your head to buy one.

Same with you, If you are so hell bent buying Surface then go ahead no one is holding gun on your head to not buy it. You look very distraught though with the thought of having two devices may be it might be good for you but there are so many other people who like to have each device for specialized task. Surface is trying to be a jack of all trades but master of none.

Auditor said,
Same with you, If you are so hell bent buying Surface then go ahead no one is holding gun on your head to not buy it. You look very distraught though with the thought of having two devices may be it might be good for you but there are so many other people who like to have each device for specialized task.

Distraught? Not at all. I'm a software developer; as such, I like to keep on top what's out there, if only to be in a position to form my own opinion based on my own experiences with those devices rather than repeat what others say on the interwebz. Along with the Surface, I also own a Playbook, an Android 2.x, and an Android 4.1-based tablets.

What do I think of them? Let me put it this way: I use the Surface daily, while I only turn on the newer of my Android tablets maybe once every 3 weeks, but then I have to leave it alone for 20 minutes while it's busy downloading a ******** of updates.

Auditor said,
Surface is trying to be a jack of all trades but master of none.

I'd be curious to know what you're basing that on. For me, it's a perfectly fine x86-based computer, with the bonus of being in a tablet form factor.

_dandy_ said,

d be curious to know what you're basing that on. For me, it's a perfectly fine x86-based computer, with the bonus of being in a tablet form factor.

Any heavy duty productive work such as accounting, auto cad, video editing is useless on surface unless you add keyboard and external monitor as in your case, you said you have 3 monitors. So it fail on desktop front. A laptop or desktop will be much powerful and efficient to do those works. On Tablet front, you get poor quality apps and way overpriced compared to other tablets in term of price value. So it failed on Tablet front.

MS keeps decreasing price of their tablet but even then there are not many takes because there is no value in owning one. I know you will disagree but reality is it is hitting MS where it hurt most and that is on their financial statement.

Auditor said,
Any heavy duty productive work such as accounting, auto cad, video editing is useless on surface unless you add keyboard and external monitor as in your case, you said you have 3 monitors. So it fail on desktop front.

So I've replaced an 8-year old triple-head desktop with a Surface hooked up to the exact same set of peripherals I've been using all along, at the cost of having to get a USB dock that's actually sold for laptops. I don't know how you equate that to a "failure on the desktop front". Sounds to me like it can perform just fine as a desktop.

Auditor said,
A laptop or desktop will be much powerful and efficient to do those works.

I don't need a crazy-fast, noisy, power-hungry, heat-generating beast sitting next to me. The heavy-duty work I do is performed elsewhere on servers. The ideal machine on my desk doesn't force me to leave the A/C running all the time and doesn't sound like I'm sitting in an airport when I'm Skyping with my coworkers.

For that, it's about the best option I've come across in my 30 years of using computers, yet you insist it fails in every way. There's just no reasoning with you apparently. Whatever your reasons are for this utter disgust with the Surface, it seems to be blinding you with rage.

Edited by _dandy_, Aug 31 2013, 3:44pm :

If you don't mind the battery life of 4-5hours, it seems like a very capable tablet performance wise. I'm not sure if there are any other tablets with that kind of performance at that price or cheaper, but you might check and see first.

Of course since the rumors point to a Surface 2 this fall, you could always wait and see what turns out to be, unless you need something now.

_Alexander said,
So it worth buying now? I need a nice portable tablet to pump out C#

At this price with Ivy Bridge still, no.

Wait for a Haswell model. You can then choose between the Haswell with great battery life or the old Ivy Bridge model for even cheaper than it is now.

_Alexander said,
Alright I will wait then.

It seems that the Surface Pro is the best tablet for power use. The GPU is the biggest red flag for me IMO.

Why is that? There are a ton of tablets in its class.

If price is very important the ATIV Smart PC Pro is a better computer in my opinion. It has better battery life, slightly thinner and lighter, and has a larger screen which makes it more useful for laptop use. It also includes a keyboard dock which turns it into a full laptop. Much better than the keyboard cover the Surface Pro has.

Then if money isn't a concern the Lenovo Helix is better than both of them, with a keyboard dock that contains a second battery and the ability to have 8GB RAM which the other two don't offer and something I consider essential in a $1000+ computer!

The ATIV can be found for quite cheap at times. I found an open box at Amazon Warehouse for just $660. It arrived in like new condition. It's also pretty easy to upgrade the SSD, just peel the back cover off (was a little tricky) and replace the mSATA drive. No glue to muck around with.

[Update: Price cut is now permanent] Duh?

Who didn't know this was going to be permanent. I have yet to see one of these in the wild but in school campuses I see a lot of Chromebooks. Price is a factor and Microsoft knows it.

DarkNet said,
[Update: Price cut is now permanent] Duh?

Who didn't know this was going to be permanent. I have yet to see one of these in the wild but in school campuses I see a lot of Chromebooks. Price is a factor and Microsoft knows it.

I am at VMworld in San Francisco and whilst the overwhelming majority of devices I've seen people using are MacBook's and iPad's, I have seen more than a few Surfaces - all with the keyboard covers, so they're certainly out there.

Chicane-UK said,

I am at VMworld in San Francisco and whilst the overwhelming majority of devices I've seen people using are MacBook's and iPad's, I have seen more than a few Surfaces - all with the keyboard covers, so they're certainly out there.

This, I saw a few (including having one myself) at the AWS Summit in SF a couple months back.

Chicane-UK said,

I am at VMworld in San Francisco and whilst the overwhelming majority of devices I've seen people using are MacBook's and iPad's, I have seen more than a few Surfaces - all with the keyboard covers, so they're certainly out there.

You're at a conference about virtualization.... you don't think people will have Windows tablets there? You expect people with iPads, Androids to do actual work? This has got nothing to do with real world every day consumers adapting to it.

That's like saying I've been to to Apple's campus and I only see Macbooks there.

onionjuice said,

You're at a conference about virtualization.... you don't think people will have Windows tablets there? You expect people with iPads, Androids to do actual work? This has got nothing to do with real world every day consumers adapting to it.

That's like saying I've been to to Apple's campus and I only see Macbooks there.

What the hell? Its not a comment on what people are using 'to do work' or anything - just purely that I am at a tech conference with a lot of delegates (23,000+) and just saying what devices I have seen.

Why do some people have to try and make arguments over nothing?!

As I said the majority of devices were macbooks and iPads.. I saw like 3 or 4 surfaces the whole time so they certainly not widely in use even amongst a technical audience..

The fact is you can not live by a Surface or a Chromebook alone. You still need a real computer to do hardcore work. So you are basically overpaying when you buy a Surface over a Chromebook. These are secondary devices (similar to a tablet). Why overpay. Real use cases like college campuses, not tech conferences proves my point.

I stand by my original statement.

DarkNet said,
The fact is you can not live by a Surface or a Chromebook alone. You still need a real computer to do hardcore work. So you are basically overpaying when you buy a Surface over a Chromebook. These are secondary devices (similar to a tablet). Why overpay. Real use cases like college campuses, not tech conferences proves my point.

I stand by my original statement.

You do that. "Real work" is relative to whoever is doing it and what they consider that to be. Maybe "you" can't live by a Surface or Chromebook alone, but there are some out there who absolutely can. Sure, that market isn't huge, but the potential for Chromebook is big, unfortunately it's a little ahead of it's time. And as far as the Surface, it's been used as a desktop replacement by others so it can do work.

Tarrant64 said,

You do that. "Real work" is relative to whoever is doing it and what they consider that to be. Maybe "you" can't live by a Surface or Chromebook alone, but there are some out there who absolutely can. Sure, that market isn't huge, but the potential for Chromebook is big, unfortunately it's a little ahead of it's time. And as far as the Surface, it's been used as a desktop replacement by others so it can do work.

So you agree that the Surface is just as effective as the Chromebook so why would one overpay for a Surface? That is the question that people seem to avoid.

I forgot which tech podcast I heard this in (I'm pretty sure it was "This Week In Google") A tech pundit who is invited to a lot of conferences said he has several devices (Windows Phone, Android Phone, iPhone, etc..) When going to a Microsoft event, he takes a Windows Phone and a Surface, when going to an Apple event he'll take his iPhone and iPad, etc...

The one funny thing he did say was before the HTC First, he never knew what he should take with him to a Facebook event.

But the takeaway here is it is pretty silly to judge what people have at a tech conference. My original statement about college campuses is more accurately defined because these are everyday people. They are also the target demographic for such devices.

DarkNet said,

So you agree that the Surface is just as effective as the Chromebook so why would one overpay for a Surface? That is the question that people seem to avoid.

The Surface is more effective than the Chromebook (in my opinion). But being just as effective has nothing to do with the price point of the surface. I don't know where you're going with that question. Something is as effective as something else, so why pay more for it. What???

I don't understand how the Surface, being priced comparable to other laptops of similar specs (and some inferior), is overpriced.

Tarrant64 said,

The Surface is more effective than the Chromebook (in my opinion). But being just as effective has nothing to do with the price point of the surface. I don't know where you're going with that question. Something is as effective as something else, so why pay more for it. What???

I don't understand how the Surface, being priced comparable to other laptops of similar specs (and some inferior), is overpriced.

You are still a child. You still have a lot to learn about Computer OS.

1) Can you install AutoCAD on a Surface or a Chromebook? NO!
2) Can you install Photoshop on a Surface or a Chromebook? NO!
3) Can you do anything kind of major audio editing or video editing on a Surface or a Chromebook? NO!
4) Will you still require a Windows OS or Mac OS computer where you can install legacy programs?
5) Do you want to spend more money on a netbook that doesn't really replace your primary computer on a Surface or would you buy a Chromebook for $200 that effectively does the same thing?

So sorry you don't understand how price works for you. Next time ask your mommy where she get's you all the stuff you ask for. Psst! Money doesn't grow on trees.

DarkNet said,

You are still a child. You still have a lot to learn about Computer OS.

1) Can you install AutoCAD on a Surface or a Chromebook? NO!
2) Can you install Photoshop on a Surface or a Chromebook? NO!
3) Can you do anything kind of major audio editing or video editing on a Surface or a Chromebook? NO!
4) Will you still require a Windows OS or Mac OS computer where you can install legacy programs?
5) Do you want to spend more money on a netbook that doesn't really replace your primary computer on a Surface or would you buy a Chromebook for $200 that effectively does the same thing?

So sorry you don't understand how price works for you. Next time ask your mommy where she get's you all the stuff you ask for. Psst! Money doesn't grow on trees.

You are being arrogant , demeaning, and have no idea who I am. You're response calling me a child is flat out rude and I don't think that anyone would disagree with me here. Please respect other posters as I'm simply having a back and forth conversation with you. I don't think we are talking about the same things so I will try to clear that up right now, you seem upset and I have no idea why but if you continue acting this way I will report you. Not trying to be a jerk, but you're pushing it.

I think maybe we're not talking about the same Surface, because the RT can't do any of those things, but the Surface Pro can. Which is what this article is about. I don't think you know very much about it, at all.

You CAN install AutoCAD, Photoshop, do all the major things on a Surface Pro. As I stated before, it can be a desktop replacement.

The Surface Pro is not a netbook. You don't know what you're talking about. It's a full-blown laptop. It's not a tablet/netbook/accessory.

When I reference the Chromebook, I am specifically referring to the Pixel. Sorry for the confusion. You still can't do much for the Pixel, and I never said that you could do a lot with that.

DarkNet said,

You are still a child. You still have a lot to learn about Computer OS.

1) Can you install AutoCAD on a Surface or a Chromebook? NO!
2) Can you install Photoshop on a Surface or a Chromebook? NO!
3) Can you do anything kind of major audio editing or video editing on a Surface or a Chromebook? NO!
4) Will you still require a Windows OS or Mac OS computer where you can install legacy programs?
5) Do you want to spend more money on a netbook that doesn't really replace your primary computer on a Surface or would you buy a Chromebook for $200 that effectively does the same thing?

So sorry you don't understand how price works for you. Next time ask your mommy where she get's you all the stuff you ask for. Psst! Money doesn't grow on trees.

Lastly, AutoCad, Photoshop, major video/auditing - professional software like this that demands the most of any type of hardware thrown at it is a poor choice to say whether or not something is worth the money. At least in this case when we're talking about a mid-range laptop (Core i5, 4GB RAM, SSD). We're not talking that much with the Surface as it is sub-$1,000 in the first place.

There's evidence to back up my claim that the Surface Pro is not you're run of the mill cheap-o laptop:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3gG8TlUVyU - Photoshop on Surface
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUM8gsI9GhM - CAD on Surface
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km4g5YZxqEg - Gaming on Surface
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI2UgP4MaoU - Surface as Workstation

Recently there was even an article on Neowin showing one tech guru who had been using it exclusively as a work machine and had it connected up to 3 or 4 external displays. No lag.

Where's your evidence it is and should only cost like $500 like every other tablet that can't do what the Surface Pro can?

Edited by Tarrant64, Sep 3 2013, 6:24pm :

Tarrant64 said,

Lastly, AutoCad, Photoshop, major video/auditing - professional software like this that demands the most of any type of hardware thrown at it is a poor choice to say whether or not something is worth the money. At least in this case when we're talking about a mid-range laptop (Core i5, 4GB RAM, SSD). We're not talking that much with the Surface as it is sub-$1,000 in the first place.

There's evidence to back up my claim that the Surface Pro is not you're run of the mill cheap-o laptop:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3gG8TlUVyU - Photoshop on Surface
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUM8gsI9GhM - CAD on Surface
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km4g5YZxqEg - Gaming on Surface
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI2UgP4MaoU - Surface as Workstation

Recently there was even an article on Neowin showing one tech guru who had been using it exclusively as a work machine and had it connected up to 3 or 4 external displays. No lag.

Where's your evidence it is and should only cost like $500 like every other tablet that can't do what the Surface Pro can?

Surface has the specs of a $400 laptop minus the ssd which actually doesn't matter since its so small.

"Tablets" aren't for heavy computing that's the reason no one buys the surface they are for light use and for ease of use. Not many people want to run photoshop or cad on a tablet....

onionjuice said,

Surface has the specs of a $400 laptop minus the ssd which actually doesn't matter since its so small.

"Tablets" aren't for heavy computing that's the reason no one buys the surface they are for light use and for ease of use. Not many people want to run photoshop or cad on a tablet....

Find me a laptop with Core i5, 4GB RAM, 1080p touch screen, small form factor, for $400. It doesn't exist that I can find. USB 3.0, SSD added - I don't know why people expect it to cost only $500. $700-$800 (and even where it started at $999) was more reasonable.

More to my point, for heavy computing, like cad and photoshop, you aren't going just buy a $1,000 laptop for that you usually end up spending more.

Tarrant64 said,
tantrum fit...

Surface RT that's what we are talking about. But foolish people spend their money foolishly. Like I keep saying, you won't find those awful devices in the Wild. I've seen more Chromebooks on College Campuses. The best $200 Lite netbook you can carry.

Sorry if you are offend but you seem like you have no idea what you are talking about. Things have to be told to you over and over. I drew my conclusions based on the facts presented.

Tarrant64 said,

Find me a laptop with Core i5, 4GB RAM, 1080p touch screen, small form factor, for $400. It doesn't exist that I can find. USB 3.0, SSD added - I don't know why people expect it to cost only $500. $700-$800 (and even where it started at $999) was more reasonable.

More to my point, for heavy computing, like cad and photoshop, you aren't going just buy a $1,000 laptop for that you usually end up spending more.

there are plenty of laptops under 400 for those specs. the only thing you won't find is the 1080p screen because they are cheap laptops... other than that you're telling me the 1080p screen costs an extra $400 then.

Example lenovo G500. It was on new egg a while back for with i5 4gb ram 1366x768 screen. O yah you know it's battery life? 5 hours. lol

And no you don't need to spend more than $1000 for a good laptop for heavy computing.... I can list you 10 that cost less than $1000 that come with an i7 6gb ram and discrete graphics.

onionjuice said,

there are plenty of laptops under 400 for those specs. the only thing you won't find is the 1080p screen because they are cheap laptops... other than that you're telling me the 1080p screen costs an extra $400 then.

Example lenovo G500. It was on new egg a while back for with i5 4gb ram 1366x768 screen. O yah you know it's battery life? 5 hours. lol

And no you don't need to spend more than $1000 for a good laptop for heavy computing.... I can list you 10 that cost less than $1000 that come with an i7 6gb ram and discrete graphics.

So...take the G500 at $500, add a 1080p, touch screen, SSD, and what do you get? I would think at least $300 more, which will get you close to what the Surface Pro is being re-priced at.

The RT, in my opinion, should never have come close to where it was priced at originally.

Tarrant64 said,

So...take the G500 at $500, add a 1080p, touch screen, SSD, and what do you get? I would think at least $300 more, which will get you close to what the Surface Pro is being re-priced at.

The RT, in my opinion, should never have come close to where it was priced at originally.

G500 is $399.99 1080p touchscreen $30 120 gig ssds are now $99. Ends up at $530. nothing close to 800.

Tarrant64 said,

The RT, in my opinion, should never have come close to where it was priced at originally.

And that is the first sensible thing someone else has said on this thread. The pricing was horrible. But the sad truth is they really can't do much given the Windows License and Office License. This is why you will never see the Surface RT be a mainstream netbook. Too expensive and not powerful enough to run legacy applications.

If I want a dumb down computer, I'll buy a Chromebook or a Nexus 7 tablet. In fact I can buy both for less the cost of a Surface RT when those devices first came out (and I did).

Still way overpriced, for its limited general utility. Yes, it may excel at certain narrowly-defined tasks; but for long-haul, intense, data entry tasks, no.

TsarNikky said,
Still way overpriced, for its limited general utility. Yes, it may excel at certain narrowly-defined tasks; but for long-haul, intense, data entry tasks, no.

Agreed! is the price cut worldwide?

TsarNikky said,
Still way overpriced, for its limited general utility. Yes, it may excel at certain narrowly-defined tasks; but for long-haul, intense, data entry tasks, no.

So you think the MacBook Air is fair?

I still have a hard time understand why anyone would want to do 'long haul, intense, data entry' on a 10 or 11" tablet, even with a keyboard attachment.

I find it hard to get any real work down on a screen that small, certainly nothing that would require hours of effort to complete.

Now work like graphics design, art, writing that uses the stylus, etc I can see being very handy on a tablet like that, especially one with a Wacom digitizer, but data entry? Maybe in some light capacity.

stevan said,

Absolutely. It's a powerful machine with a huge battery life.


And the surface pro is a Wacom capable touchscreen with a fantastic screen, 5 hour battery life, and portability.
Have you ever even used the thing?
You can hook it up to a dock and use it with 2 22 in monitors and have it completely replace a desktop for most activities (not CAD heavy or whatever, but for most office purposes)

The supreme illogic for people saying that the Pro is overpriced is mind boggling. Simply because it's got an MS logo means it has to be cheap crap. I don't understand this mindset at all.

trooper11 said,
I still have a hard time understand why anyone would want to do 'long haul, intense, data entry' on a 10 or 11" tablet, even with a keyboard attachment.
You do know you can just plug in your 1080p or better screen to get to that right? My Pro is perfect on the road, at home I plug in the monitor and USB3 hub and use the exact same hardware in a desktop setting.

siah1214 said,

And the surface pro is a Wacom capable touchscreen with a fantastic screen, 5 hour battery life, and portability.
Have you ever even used the thing?
You can hook it up to a dock and use it with 2 22 in monitors and have it completely replace a desktop for most activities (not CAD heavy or whatever, but for most office purposes)

The supreme illogic for people saying that the Pro is overpriced is mind boggling. Simply because it's got an MS logo means it has to be cheap crap. I don't understand this mindset at all.

5 hours battery life and portable? That kind of contradicting. It lacks in battery life and consumer appeal. If it was as magical and amazing as you guys make it to be it would sell much better than it currently is.

Its easy to pin the reasons for it not selling better on things that you personally feel are wrong, its much more difficult to pin down the actual reasons for the market itself.

'Consumer appeal' is a loaded question, often defined by what you personally want out of a device. Is there 'consumer appeal' for portable devices with the power that the Surface Pro provides? How big is that market really?

My personal opinion is that most consumers aren't interested in that kind of power in a tablet. The Surface RT is much more appealing in that market, something more akin to the iPad or Android tablets. Enough power for basic tasks that most people do and to run a host of 'apps', not desktop applications.

'Magical' only applies to Apple products, so that's not applicable here. I think the issue here is comparing your personal feelings with the feelings of others. You don't get why people would like using it, others don't get why you have no interest in it.

TsarNikky said,
Still way overpriced, for its limited general utility. Yes, it may excel at certain narrowly-defined tasks; but for long-haul, intense, data entry tasks, no.
Ugh, either you cannot read, or you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Neither option is particularly flattering.

The Surface Pro is a full blown ultrabook in a tablet's form factor. Attach a keyboard--preferably the TypeCover--and it's a very nice ultrabook.

Personally, I use it as my development machine whenever I am traveling in lieu of my 15" MacBook Pro. I get great battery life, and a lot of versatility out of it with a tiny footprint.

As for the Surface RT, my fiancee uses one for her law school classes, also in lieu of a [13"] MacBook Pro. It is capable of doing literally everything that an iPad can, albeit without the breadth of the ecosystem, and it can do it with an attached keyboard and optional mouse. Add Office compatibility, and it blows away the iPad for two thirds of the price.

However, what is overpriced is the TypeCover. I honestly love it, particularly compared to the over-hyped TouchCover (which does not feel natural to type on), but I really cannot see how the TypeCover is $120.

I don't understand it, either. It's like Microsoft is not allowed to compete with Apple at ANY price point. Just the idea of SurfaceRT competing with the iPad starts the screaming - never mind that it's scaled up Android hardware, it's supposed to compete heads-up with Android.

siah1214 said,

And the surface pro is a Wacom capable touchscreen with a fantastic screen, 5 hour battery life, and portability.
Have you ever even used the thing?
You can hook it up to a dock and use it with 2 22 in monitors and have it completely replace a desktop for most activities (not CAD heavy or whatever, but for most office purposes)

The supreme illogic for people saying that the Pro is overpriced is mind boggling. Simply because it's got an MS logo means it has to be cheap crap. I don't understand this mindset at all.

Lol hahaha 5 hour battery life for a tablet. I think you are missing the PORTABLE in Portability.. Yah I'm not into Macs much but MBA any day over a ****ty surface.

onionjuice said,
Lol hahaha 5 hour battery life for a tablet. I think you are missing the PORTABLE in Portability.. Yah I'm not into Macs much but MBA any day over a ****ty surface.
Prior to the MBA going to Haswell-based processors, the battery life was equivalent with lower utility and a lower resolution screen. Whenever the Surface Pro 2 arrives, it will certainly contain a Haswell chip as well, which will most likely add another third--or more--to its battery life as well.

pickypg said,
Prior to the MBA going to Haswell-based processors, the battery life was equivalent with lower utility and a lower resolution screen. Whenever the Surface Pro 2 arrives, it will certainly contain a Haswell chip as well, which will most likely add another third--or more--to its battery life as well.

Exactly. The 2012 MBA with same gen processor as the surface had a 1366x768 non-touch screen, with 6 hours battery life (light use)
Surface Pro had 1080p touch screen, 5 hours battery life (moderate use)
Level the playing field...

pickypg said,
Prior to the MBA going to Haswell-based processors, the battery life was equivalent with lower utility and a lower resolution screen. Whenever the Surface Pro 2 arrives, it will certainly contain a Haswell chip as well, which will most likely add another third--or more--to its battery life as well.

So you are comparing a LAPTOP's battery with that of a tablet's. Most "tablets" usually have 10 hours+ battery life.

Simple reason why average consumers don't buy the Surface Pro.

onionjuice said,

So you are comparing a LAPTOP's battery with that of a tablet's. Most "tablets" usually have 10 hours+ battery life.

Simple reason why average consumers don't buy the Surface Pro.


Most TABLETS run on ARM processors. The SURFACE PRO has a CORE I5 which is a processor for LAPTOPS. Which is why it has the battery life of a LAPTOP. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?

onionjuice said,
So you are comparing a LAPTOP's battery with that of a tablet's. Most "tablets" usually have 10 hours+ battery life.

Simple reason why average consumers don't buy the Surface Pro.

The average consumer has not bought the Surface Pro because Microsoft has done an awful job marketing it, and people that generally claim to be above average speak out of turn with regards to it--when they have no real knowledge of it.

The Surface Pro is, bar none, the best laptop and tablet experience that I have used. I get the user friendliness of a tablet when I want it, with the complete power and flexibility of a laptop when I need it (developing on the go). The absolute only thing that I miss from my MacBook Pro, which is a wonderfully built machine, is the physical screen size and the idea of the Thunderbolt port (it has mini-DisplayPort, which is all I have ever used the MBP's port for anyway, but it's nice to have the option of a high performance, daisychained port).

Refresh the thing with Haswell already, there will be a ton of new Haswell PC's next week at IFA and Microsoft is still trying to overcharge for old Ivy Bridge tech. And people wonder why they are nowhere in the mobile race.....

I'm not sure how many Haswell tablets are out, but your right that MS need to refresh the hardware this fall. I think most of the leaks have pointed to that exact thing happening.

I think the Surface RT bundle @ $399 is a good price point. I really hope they keep this price when they release the next version. A Surface RT 2 bundled with a keyboard cover @ $399 is a better deal.

Of course a Haswell Surface Pro 2 @ $799 will also be a better deal then what they have now.

Well of course it needs a strong app library. I'm not sure killer apps is the right term. As long as they have a good mix of apps, including a wide range of games and various tools that are highly rated, it can stand on its own.

I would say that a Surface RT 2 by itself @ $300 is a good deal as long as the app library continues to grow, combined with the Metro improvements in 8.1

efjay said,
Refresh the thing with Haswell already, there will be a ton of new Haswell PC's next week at IFA and Microsoft is still trying to overcharge for old Ivy Bridge tech. And people wonder why they are nowhere in the mobile race.....

Refreshed hardware wont do ****.

They need developers on board. The end.

I would pay $299, but with the competition's lead and mind share, I just think it needs to get to $249. Pro tablets will help RT sales. Just ordered an HP ElitePad for eval. One of the Pro complaints is that its too heavy. The ElitePad weights 1.38lbs .05lb more than iPad 2, .06 less than current iPad. Most want it as light as an iPad. So if the 1.8GHz Atom Running Windows Pro can match their performance we're in business.

Pricing is more an art form then exact science it seems. All they can do is keep adjusting the price till they find the sweet spot. Still, a strong app market and good advertising would do a lot for the platform.

Kalint said,
When is the Surface RT for only $100 scheduled to begin?

The next time you're at BUILD which you paid $2k+ to get into.

They'll have to liquidate their stock at one point, unless they're destined to join ET's cartridges in the landfill?

Rudy said,
They'll have to liquidate their stock at one point, unless they're destined to join ET's cartridges in the landfill?
Whenever the Surface 2 arrives, the previous models will go on sale. Microsoft could likely give themselves a huge tax break by donating any remaining inventory to schools, but there may be legal reasons that they are not allowed to do that.

pickypg said,
Whenever the Surface 2 arrives, the previous models will go on sale. Microsoft could likely give themselves a huge tax break by donating any remaining inventory to schools, but there may be legal reasons that they are not allowed to do that.
Personally I think waiting for the next model will hurt the sales of the new one

warwagon said,

Google Gave away their $1000 Pixi Chrome books!


Then again, who on Earth would ever want to actually pay money for one of those dogs. It would have been more useful if they gave away a free manhole cover. At least it would be something to talk about.

Major_Plonquer said,

Then again, who on Earth would ever want to actually pay money for one of those dogs. It would have been more useful if they gave away a free manhole cover. At least it would be something to talk about.

The Chromebook Pixel is nice. You are pretty ignorant to think nobody talks highly about the Pixel. Yes they talk negative about the price but the device itself is pretty sweet. I wish I could justify the price and buy one of those things, sadly I cannot.