Report: Microsoft won't add Start button for Windows 8

It's one of the biggest and most controversial changes in Windows 8; the removal of the familiar Start button. The change has upset lots of traditional Windows PC users. It has also caused many to search for alternatives, such as Stardock's recently launched free Start8 app.

However, it looks like Windows 8 PC users will have to continue to find alternate means to create a Start button for the OS. The Seattle Times states that according to a report from the investment banking firm Nomura, Microsoft has no plans to add their own Start button menu in future versions of Windows 8.

Nomura claims it held meetings this week with Tami Reller, who doubles as Microsoft's head of marketing and the CFO of Windows and Windows Live. According to what Reller said at the meetings, Microsoft won't budge from its position of eliminating the traditional Start button in Windows 8.

However, the company will apparently be offering users a tutorial "to show keyboard/mouse users the new commands that they need to orient themselves with in the new OS so they are not lost when they first encounter the product."

It remains to be seen if a simple tutorial will placate the many Windows 8 users who will likely still want the Start button. We will bet that third party companies such as Stardock will offer up their own solutions if Microsoft does not act.

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MFH said,

I don't? Hell I installed it on release… Seems your assumption is wrong…

You just admitted not to use the taskbar, therefore you are not using Windows 7 or using Windows 7 wrongly by not pinning software to the task bar for easy access.

Windows 7 is not meant to be used as Windows XP

_Heracles said,

You just admitted not to use the taskbar, therefore you are not using Windows 7 or using Windows 7 wrongly by not pinning software to the task bar for easy access.

Windows 7 is not meant to be used as Windows XP


Where did I say I don't use the taskbar? Maybe you need some reading exercise…
Matter of fact, the thing I pointed out was that if I pin all my regularly used applications to the task(super) bar I need about 90"…(you know, some of us actually use a PC for a living…)

your point was exactly what?

MFH said,

Where did I say I don't use the taskbar? Maybe you need some reading exercise…
Matter of fact, the thing I pointed out was that if I pin all my regularly used applications to the task(super) bar I need about 90"…(you know, some of us actually use a PC for a living…)

your point was exactly what?

You said "So where's my 90" taskbar," which reads "So where is on my 90s taskbar,"

On the other hand if you meant that you have 90 icons on your taskbar, I am very skeptical. 20 or so can fit without a problem, where the less used ones are placed on Desktop. Your task bar features square buttons with pictures on them... and you click on those pictures to launch applications. Windows 7 Taskbar is a one dimensional (usually one dimensional) version of the Windows 8 start menu. Start menu is no longer useful in Windows 7, let alone in Windows 8 where it is replaced by something that makes sense.

The rest of your sentence doesn't make sense either way...

OMG, you drama queens!! )

the start button just became a little bit bigger (and more functional) and is know called start screen.... so what?!?!?!?

to access the start menu/screen you know have to got to the same corner as before and click. how difficult is that??! how many times will you have to think about it in real life?!?!

so please stop this silly discussion!!!

yves707 said,
OMG, you drama queens!! )

the start button just became a little bit bigger (and more functional) and is know called start screen.... so what?!?!?!?

to access the start menu/screen you know have to got to the same corner as before and click. how difficult is that??! how many times will you have to think about it in real life?!?!

so please stop this silly discussion!!!

you mean the Metro UI not the Start Menu.

I don't know what features Windows 8 offers but still even if it is faster, ergonomic, mind-blowing, the future etc (you get the idea) and it doesn't have a Start button (yes I know there are programs that will add a start button) I will remain a happy Windows 7 user.
For the first time ever, in a MS OS I haven't experienced any problems and I use UltraMon for Dual Screens setups it adds a taskbar extender across monitors but I would like to have a second startbutton as well

Windows8 in terms of the "no start button" and metro UI could be a killer to windows 8, like vista was to itself. I'm sure someone out there who creates tweaked UI's like Stardock, could be in for a good cashflow...

ChrisJ1968 said,
Windows8 in terms of the "no start button" and metro UI could be a killer to windows 8, like vista was to itself. I'm sure someone out there who creates tweaked UI's like Stardock, could be in for a good cashflow...

Not just "could be a killer," but "will be a killer." Just what was MS thinking about? There is whole lot more to the personal computer world that "touchy-feely" smartphones and tablets. Why were desktops and laptops "using keyboards and mice abandoned" with the new UI?

Microsoft should do more to make the Windows Desktop app/mode in Windows 8 look less superficially like the Windows 7 desktop. The relocation of the Start entry point to the lower left-hand corner/Charm bar/rely on Windows key would be a lot less jarring then.
It would also be a simple way to partially resolve the conflicting nature of the desktop and Metro experiences.

The more I look at Windows 8 the more I think it will be like Vista, but not that that will be a necessarily bad thing. Vista introduced HUGE internal changes to Windows that broke a lot of things but laid the groundwork for Windows 7 (and it was claimed the next 'decade of Windows'). Windows 7 is now the most successful desktop OS of all time - and it wouldn't have been possible if it weren't for the engineering work done to create Vista.

In the same vein Windows 8 introduces massive changes that probably will turn out better in the long run - but in much more user-facing areas of the OS, this time breaking a lot of the user experience rather than the OS compatibility etc. I suspect it will fail similarly to to Vista in the marketplace, but will lay the groundwork for a hugely successful Windows iteration to come after it that learns from that feedback.

Like others said.. this too will be the first one a pass on
long gone are the days of using RC's and beta's.
I'm disgusted with Microsoft and the fanboys.
Many people like the ways things are and do not want to be told what we want.
Taking things to an extreme is deleting the code for the start menu entirely.
Forcing users to look for alternative hacks wich will surely comes in force.
Microsoft is known for fpr leaving support in for many things such as the quick launch shortcut i setup on my windows 7 that works just like it did on my xp install.
I use that And the start menu and the taskbar icons.. ALL with extreme customization.
And that right there is my point.. customization vs you have no options.

I hope this puts out the Microsoft engines and they hurdle into the dirt nose first at terminal velocity into a fiery steaming pile of operating system !
I will point and laugh and have a fondle in my pants with that money of mine their not getting.

Hey Microsoft, learn to listen to your customers and since you don't know..
IF IT AIN"T BROKE DON"T FIX IT !

I am Not PCyr said,
Like others said.. this too will be the first one a pass on
long gone are the days of using RC's and beta's.
I'm disgusted with Microsoft and the fanboys.
Many people like the ways things are and do not want to be told what we want.
Taking things to an extreme is deleting the code for the start menu entirely.
Forcing users to look for alternative hacks wich will surely comes in force.
Microsoft is known for fpr leaving support in for many things such as the quick launch shortcut i setup on my windows 7 that works just like it did on my xp install.
I use that And the start menu and the taskbar icons.. ALL with extreme customization.
And that right there is my point.. customization vs you have no options.

I hope this puts out the Microsoft engines and they hurdle into the dirt nose first at terminal velocity into a fiery steaming pile of operating system !
I will point and laugh and have a fondle in my pants with that money of mine their not getting.

Hey Microsoft, learn to listen to your customers and since you don't know..
IF IT AIN"T BROKE DON"T FIX IT !

I don't think you get it.... Since Vista, the Start Menu was depreciated. Windows 7 sealed the deal. With app pinning and Instant Search, the Start Menu was killed off in favor of a more interactive start screen. To understand why this change was brought about, you have to think about the technological advancements that have come since Windows 95, when the start menu was introduced. Computers aren't the same as they were back then. Windows 8 is the start of "Windows 3.0" that will be used to take computing to the next level. Is 8 perfect? By all means no, but once it matures, you'll forget all about the start button and Windows 95 Start Menu. You just need to open yourself up to the change that is coming.

[quote=Dot Matrix said,]
actually i don't think YOU get it..
Just because MS tells me that a feature is depreciated ?
What did i just say ?
Microsoft TELLING people what they want when they should be listening.
Kinda hard to hear when your mouth is moving
Im not on this topic to bash any feature of Win 8 when its the metro style or whatever.
My take is they should have left support for a start menu tradional desktop style experience and provided some advance way of enabling it.

Looking at my 1080p Samsung syncmaster monitor i have to laugh at this
whole touchsreen bs beeing forced down our throat.. what the hell are thinking ?

If they wanna shoot them selves in the foot then have at 'er ..go hard
Don't be suprised (MS) when you have poor sales and to everyone else i bet a million dollars this is gonna be a seriously fast turn around like after Vista was released, remember how fast Win 7 was developed and went gold / rtm ?
Windows 9 is not far away.. once some morons at MS get fired and they look at their bank accounts Win 9 will be fast tracked.

And to people who like what they have seen so far with windows 8
i really wonder do you people care about the rest of us who don't like what we see ?
Why do we not matter ? Why do i have to be told what i want and "should" have ?
If anything I'd like to see EVERYONE pleased and not a fraction of the people and the rest be given a middle finger.. bad business there

Please except my apologies if I offend anybody. But guys does it really matter if the Start Button is remove altogether. I can see the logic behind Microsoft's decision to remove the Start Button and completely understand their actions and reasons for doing so. This will cheer up some EU and hopefully bring an end to misery for some Die Hard Windows Users who like their Start Button and should be left were it is. Thanks to the guys a Stardock they've developed an app which brings the Start Button back. It Works very well indeed.

Full Article: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1080...his-app-will-bring-it-back/

Download App: http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/

I still want to see them "restrict access" to the desktop by conventional means and let it open "only" when a program is launched (or file explorer) "FROM" the start screen. Going into the desktop to launch a program is silly and redundant now that the start screen does it all. They need to bring in functions like "installing programs and adding shortcuts" from the start screen. The desktop should close itself once the last program has been closed. I'd like to see desktop icons disappear, and their old features such as adding -x to the string, need to be available with new tiles and start shortcuts.

Why do they insist on ****ing off more people?
Unless all computers are coming out in mobile touch screen forms there is no point to this change. In fact it is counter to the operation of a PC even those optical "touch" all in ones. In fact in talking to customers that have bought the "touch" all in ones only about 5% actually use the touch because all they wanted was the space saving.

Business & power-users will just have to stick with Win 7. This poorly thought-out attempt to copy Android & IOS's Micro-payment "APP" system & monetarise the windows desktop will fail on the traditional computer. And as so many already have access to both Apple & Android Touchscreen products, i can't see Microsoft competing successfully on price per unit either. Difficult to compete when the cost of an MS license on top of the unit price will make using even a basic handheld system more expensive than the competition. It is sad, as some of the refinements that WIn8 demonstrates would work so much better within Win 7s environment. But this forced addition of "Metro" will only appeal to those who want to play "Angry Birds" & its ilk on a hand-held device - a dumbed down UI for the dumbed down generation.

Good, why the hell would I need a start button? I'd click the one in Windows 7 about once a month, the only time I really use it is on a fresh install machine before pinning all my frequent apps.

The Windows Metro UI is great the way it is and DOES NOT need Classic Shell. Hopefully hacks like Classic Shell will not work after Windows 8 goes RTM!

A Desktop Mode which does not have a native method to start applications does not serve any purpose. Whats the point of having a Desktop Mode if there is no Start Menu? Is it needed for backward compatibility for the folks who keep all their personal files unorganized in the desktop only? Or is the User expected to create Shortcuts for every application they use on the desktop for launching?

Microsoft, Either remove the desktop mode entirely or restore the start button.

Why does the app launcher need to be considered part of "Desktop Mode"? What's wrong with clicking the corner of the screen to load a full screen list of apps to load on the desktop?

However, the company will apparently be offering users a tutorial "to show keyboard/mouse users the new commands that they need to orient themselves with in the new OS so they are not lost when they first encounter the product."
Too late for me, I'm afraid. I encountered the product, realised I couldn't do anything (slight exaggeration) without spending more time trying to find the options, and got put off. I won't be buying Windows 8.

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