Review: iPad (2012), it's all about the pixels

The iPad is a device that defined a market. Sure there were competitors out long before the iPad ever arrived - but none were able to do what Apple did with this device. The differences between iPad 1 and iPad 2 were notable with a redesign, addition of a camera, and a faster processor but the differences between the iPad 2 and the new iPad 3 are a bit more subtle to the untrained eye as the devices appear identical in nearly every way.

But just because they look similar does not mean that the new iPad is not a worthy successor to the iPad 2, far from it. What you get with the new iPad is a Retina display, a faster GPU, LTE, Bluetooth 4.0, an improved camera and the same battery life as the previous model.

While the design is similar there are some notable differences. First and foremost is that the new iPad is a bit thicker at .37 inches vs.  .34 inches on the iPad 2 which is hardly noticeable but what you can discern between the two is the weight. The new iPad hits the scale at 1.44 lbs vs. 1.33lbs, which you can feel when holding the two at the same time. Other distinguishing notations include that the LTE model has a SIM slot on the side whereas the iPad 2 (3G model on Verizon) does not.

The iPad has a new display packing 2048-by-1536-pixel resolution at 264 pixels per inch (ppi) which is a substantial bump over the iPad 2 which came in at 1024-by-768-pixel resolution at 132 pixels per inch (ppi). The goal for Apple was surely to keep the buttery smooth performance you expect from Cupertino at this higher resolution and that requires more hardware under the hood. Apple opted to put the A5X inside the iPad and I can conclude that it was an adequate choice, as when I was using the device it felt competent and never hesitated.

Additionally, Apple included more RAM with the iPad and all of the internals work in harmony as the performance of the tablet was exactly what you would expect from Apple; a finely tuned symphony between the hardware and software.

But the selling point of this device is not its CPU, RAM, camera, none of that compares to the one shining, stunning, and simply remarkable screen. For us nerds tech enthusiasts, the Retina display on the iPad is a fine wine, it is the 100 year old single barrel scotch you save for celebrations, the fine flatware you only bring out on special occasions, it is simply the best display I have ever seen on any device ever.

The best example I can give when looking at the iPad 2 and the new iPad is that it is like looking at SD and HD side-by-side. It is hard to explain how incredible the screen is but at reading length, you can not distinguish a single pixel and what this gives you is flawless text rendering at any size, rich colors and a viewing experience second to none.  While I could go on and on about how I love the display, there are other features to tackle.

The next feature that Apple updated was the camera, which we must be honest about, a camera on a tablet is useless. Ok, lets refine that, the camera on the back of the device is a bit pointless as taking a picture with the tablet is awkward, makes you look like a goof and typically your cellphone has a superior camera (such as the iPhone 4S camera at 8MP). But, if you do use the camera for capturing life’s moments know that the iPad’s camera is the best out there for a tablet, but still is well below that of the iPhone and a stand-alone camera.  Images were captured quickly, a tad warm in nature but overall respectable for the tablet.

 New iPad on top / iPad 2 on bottom

The front facing camera is the same from the iPad 2 and will make those FaceTime calls competently but that is about the extent of usefulness for that feature.

Lets talk about the connectivity on the new iPad as it comes with an impressive array of options. The Verizon unit we got to play with had 4G running and not that crap that AT&T calls 4G but true LTE. Along with LTE (700 MHz) there is CDMA EV-DO Rev. A (800, 1900 MHz); UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz), WI-FI A/B/G/N, and Bluetooth 4.0 which is an incredible amount of options for this type of device; Apple literally crammed the kitchen sink in to the iPad.

If you are wondering how fast LTE is on the iPad for Verizon, I averaged 18 Mbps down and 5 Mbps up but we should note that other devices besides the iPad have 4G connectivity with similar speeds so this is not exclusive to Apple by any means.

I only had a limited time to hang out with the iPad 3 before it launches on the 16th so we could not put the battery through the ringer but from looking at others who have had a chance to play with it for an extended period of time 10 hrs for WI-FI and 9 hrs for LTE models seems to be the sweet spot.

Overall, when using the device I was left feeling modestly impressed with Apple’s ability to keep the same level of performance when navigating through games and webpages as it did with the iPad 2 despite having a much higher resolution. What Apple has done with the new iPad is deliver the Apple experience on a higher quality display.

There is not really much to fault other than two small items, upgrading from the iPad 2 is a tough pill to swallow and the fact that it still has mono output from the one speaker. I love the new display, it is simply phenomenal while the differences between the new iPad and the iPad 2 are noticeable, quality updates, for the average user, the differences are not worth the expense.

What it comes down to is if you are in the market for a tablet or simply upgrading from anything other than the iPad 2, the new iPad is the top of the game right now and there should be no reservations about purchasing any of the models Apple offers.

Special thanks to our friends at Verizon for lettings us get a hands on a bit early with their version of the iPad!

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Two Articles about not being able to tell the difference:
http://www.businessinsider.com...-normal-people-think-2012-3

http://thenextweb.com/apple/20...ew-ipad-ipad-2/?%2BiPad%2B2


A video of people not being able to tell the difference between the two iPads(which speaks for itself).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...amp;feature=player_embedded


The new iPad apparently has a yellowish tint to it (most likely due to the added pixels):
https://discussions.apple.com/...10949?start=90&tstart=0

But of course the die-hard fanboys will just ignore this. Its truly sickening how ignorant they are.

jd100 said,
Two Articles about not being able to tell the difference:
http://www.businessinsider.com...-normal-people-think-2012-3

http://thenextweb.com/apple/20...ew-ipad-ipad-2/?%2BiPad%2B2


A video of people not being able to tell the difference between the two iPads(which speaks for itself).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...amp;feature=player_embedded


The new iPad apparently has a yellowish tint to it (most likely due to the added pixels):
https://discussions.apple.com/...10949?start=90&tstart=0

But of course the die-hard fanboys will just ignore this. Its truly sickening how ignorant they are.

They must have poor eyesight or something or not really know what they are actually looking for, i am a big Apple fan but if the screen was rubbish i would be the first to say it...

The new display is unbelievably crisp, colours are more vibrant, it's brighter on a whole and the sharpness of text even really small text is stunning... anyone who definitely can not see it, i'm sorry to say should get their eyes checked.. why would Apple release a product with biggest selling point as Retina Display if it was absolutely no different to the previous product?

But of course the anti-apple tribe will just ignore this. Its truly sickening how ignorant they are.

I'm wondering have you seen it with your own eyes and forming your own opinion here? or are you one of those, it's on derr interweb so it must be twue?

First things first, do we all know exactly what retina display is? You do know that is not just the resolution was made higher and the PPI is more dense. So let me educate you just a little bit here.

The iPhone is a retina display at about 10.5" away from your eyes with 20/20 vision.
The new iPad is retina display at about 13" away from your eyes with 20/20 vision.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab...-retina-display-comparison/
http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=20384

I see the Apple fanboys trying to justify the money they paid for the new versionless iPad. Fact is, you do not need that kind of resolution on such a tiny screen. Your being ignorant if you can't understand that. I have even read posts by people who have both and say you can't see any difference. It's just stupid reviews like this that post microscopic closeups in order for you to see anything.

But then again, Apple fanboys don't even know what a real computer is either.

jd100 said,
I see the Apple fanboys trying to justify the money they paid for the new versionless iPad. Fact is, you do not need that kind of resolution on such a tiny screen. Your being ignorant if you can't understand that. I have even read posts by people who have both and say you can't see any difference. It's just stupid reviews like this that post microscopic closeups in order for you to see anything.

But then again, Apple fanboys don't even know what a real computer is either.

What are you talking about screen resolution doesn't matter? Compare the original iphone to the iphone 4 and tell me you cant see leaps and bounds worth of improvement. Even if most of it is pixel density there isn't an android phone on the market that comes close to the iphone. Its that simple.

Apple have done something good here, this will push all other tablet makers to compete resolution wise. 99% of pc monitors can't even reach that resolution.

jd100 said,
I see the Apple fanboys trying to justify the money they paid for the new versionless iPad. Fact is, you do not need that kind of resolution on such a tiny screen. Your being ignorant if you can't understand that. I have even read posts by people who have both and say you can't see any difference. It's just stupid reviews like this that post microscopic closeups in order for you to see anything.

But then again, Apple fanboys don't even know what a real computer is either.

who said they can't see the difference? they must have poor eye sight because the new retina display is unbelievably crisp.

Apple fans don't need to justify it they can spend their hard earned cash on anything they want.

What an awesome review!

Very nice comparisons with iPad2, and I really like the metro-like verdict bit at the bottom too.

I got an iPad2 today so I won't be getting iPad3, but I will consider the next one, or maybe I'll get the 3 if the price drops significantly.

For those saying you cant/wont notice the difference with retina are in complete denial... spent a few hours on the new ipad last night then jumped back on my 2010 macbook pro, the screen looked pixelated and washed out. It took a while for my eyes to re-adjust.

The macbook pro is one of the best laptop displays i have had the pleasure of viewing, i work with a lot of laptops and nothing comes close... but now, compared to the new ipad it looks like crap.

we need some sort of retina display for macbooks now.

I expect most people here understand the difference between 720P and 1080P? What about LED Backlighting? What about 100 Hz V's 120 Hz, these specs are all things you can appreciate and I expect you take these things into account when buying a TV and get the best specs you can afford?

How can you say then that quadrupling the number of pixels on the new iPad dont matter or is worthless?

With the latest iPad Apple are giving you a 4x much better display at the same cost as the previous iPad.

The typical fleaBay/craigslist scalpers are out in full force. Local Craigslist here already showing people trying to offload 16GB Wi-Fi units for $650!! After tax here, it's only $537.49... *sigh*

For anyone to say that cramming better resolution into a screen is useless really needs to understand what the resolution does for the device, usage patterns, how better things look.

If resolution on the small screen is not important or useless, why have all manufacturers steadily increased the resolution year on year. That's almost like making the argument of sticking with the old-style cellular displays from 10 years ago.

The fact is a bigger resolution makes for a better viewing experience, it's almost like SD versus HD. Side-by-side you can see that text is instantly clearer and sharper making it much easier on the eyes to read. Pictures show up in more detail etc etc

It's almost like people don't appreciate technology any more and have just come to accept something spectacular all the time rather than improvements on a working model. If it's that easy to do and not such impressive feat to cram all that in pretty much the same form factor the question remains why have has no one else done it?

This comment list highlights everything bad about Neowin.

How utterly embarassing. I'm not going to make comment on android, iOs or Windows because its not really important - this page reflects badly on everyone.

Gaara sama said,
same thing no different , what a joke, so u think im going to pay more money just cuz the have better Pixel? Yeah Right

The strange thing is.. it's not 'the same', is it. Similar? certainly.

You know what I find funny here, my lengthy comment on correcting this author's mistake was deleted. Not by me but by someone else. This article was filled with some misinformation and my comment actually helped someone choose the AT&T version over the Verizon version because this author didn't do his homework.

Interesting. Just wanted to point it out.

UndergroundWire said,
You know what I find funny here, my lengthy comment on correcting this author's mistake was deleted. Not by me but by someone else. This article was filled with some misinformation and my comment actually helped someone choose the AT&T version over the Verizon version because this author didn't do his homework.

Interesting. Just wanted to point it out.


Yea, I saw that. Atleast the CPU information was corrected.

Maybe you should apply for a news "vetting" job at Neowin? I'm sure I've seen you correct things before. I certainly think Neowin could do with someone dedicated to fact checking - incorrect information is posted a bit too much on here.

ShMaunder said,

Yea, I saw that. Atleast the CPU information was corrected.

Maybe you should apply for a news "vetting" job at Neowin? I'm sure I've seen you correct things before. I certainly think Neowin could do with someone dedicated to fact checking - incorrect information is posted a bit too much on here.

It's not the first time my fact checks have been removed. The staff at Neowin does not like me. They even specifically told me in a PM (no lie). But I'm glad somebody noticed it was removed for no good reason.

UndergroundWire said,

It's not the first time my fact checks have been removed. The staff at Neowin does not like me. They even specifically told me in a PM (no lie). But I'm glad somebody noticed it was removed for no good reason.

In future I suggest you use the report feature to highlight incorrect facts rather than posting it in the comments section. You'll find that's why it was deleted

Scorpus said,

In future I suggest you use the report feature to highlight incorrect facts rather than posting it in the comments section. You'll find that's why it was deleted

Yes, most of the time it is mine. But hey if you really want to make the so-called experience better, here is a suggestion, "DELETE THE FUD". Anybody with half a brain would prefer facts to stay over FUD. But this is your rodeo and you guys seem to make up the rules as you go. The article is still incorrect so leaving the comment would have been the smarter thing to do as you can see it CLEARLY helped someone out. But this is your show and I just wanted to bring my point across. Let me guess, your going to delete this?

The battery life can be doubled or tripled if they adopt the battery technology that the RazrMaxx has but then you are going to double if not triple the price. I'm still waiting on the damn Maxx to come down more in price before getting one and thinking about a tablet for the wife to get her off this old laptop.

sava700 said,
The battery life can be doubled or tripled if they adopt the battery technology that the RazrMaxx has but then you are going to double if not triple the price. I'm still waiting on the damn Maxx to come down more in price before getting one and thinking about a tablet for the wife to get her off this old laptop.

LOL. Thats why there are plenty of UHD panels in android tablets out there...
As always, late in the game. No one cares about the second player. Big wins will be always for the first one.
Everyone is losing money on tablets except the best...
and i still dont have one. Need to remediate it

Flae_qui said,
amazing screen... thank you Samsung

Samsung manufacture it yet, but did they design it? If they did, why haven't one of their tablets got this in?

DomZ said,

Samsung manufacture it yet, but did they design it? If they did, why haven't one of their tablets got this in?

Because people hear Retina display and they think it is the best thing ever created. They don't realize that Retina is not made by Apple. They don't realize what Super Amoled Plus is. They don't know what Nova display is. Those are the true Apple sheep.

Anyone thats seen iPhone 3GS - > iPhone 4.. will know that there is very much a difference in view without zooming in to xompare

Even my iPhone 4 has a much better screen than my iPad 2.

You don't need to zoom in AT ALL to see the differences.. same old anti apple bull**** on Neowin.

Uplift said,
Anyone thats seen iPhone 3GS - > iPhone 4.. will know that there is very much a difference in view without zooming in to xompare

Even my iPhone 4 has a much better screen than my iPad 2.

You don't need to zoom in AT ALL to see the differences.. same old anti apple bull**** on Neowin.

Yep, no surprise. Even if Apple handed every person on earth a million dollars, some people would still feel inclined to run their mouths.

gregalto said,
Did we read the same article? He gave the tablet a 9.5, how is that anti-apple?

sorry for the confusion i was talking about the comments 'Typical Neowin Members'

I_Kaplan said,
I just got my iPad it's amazing! (from my iPad)

Yup I know what you mean. Now I see why all the Apple haters are coming out to talk sh*t about it. They're scared.

omg WOWOWOWOW it has smaller pixels that I can see if I zoom in with a macro lens! MUST BUY NOW!

oh and look at pic #1, already suffering from glare problems

Enron said,
omg WOWOWOWOW it has smaller pixels that I can see if I zoom in with a macro lens! MUST BUY NOW!

oh and look at pic #1, already suffering from glare problems

It's called a light. This does happen when using a device with a glossy screen under flourescent lights. It's not an Apple specific problem. And the whole point of the smaller pixels is so you CAN'T see the pixels. Apple haters gonna hate....I'm not a fanboi, but the idiocy of some of these comments, is just that....idiotic. You don't HAVE to buy one.

nytiger73 said,

It's called a light. This does happen when using a device with a glossy screen under flourescent lights. It's not an Apple specific problem. And the whole point of the smaller pixels is so you CAN'T see the pixels. Apple haters gonna hate....I'm not a fanboi, but the idiocy of some of these comments, is just that....idiotic. You don't HAVE to buy one.

It's funny how stupid people can be. They really are that threatened by the iPad.

UndergroundWire said,

It's funny how stupid people can be. They really are that threatened by the iPad.

Agreed. I don't understand the threat. I really don't. I think because it's Apple and because it's a closed system. I also have a sneaking suspicion that jealousy plays a part. Couple with the fact that Apple has more cash on hand than most countries, including the US of A.

nytiger73 said,

Agreed. I don't understand the threat. I really don't. I think because it's Apple and because it's a closed system. I also have a sneaking suspicion that jealousy plays a part. Couple with the fact that Apple has more cash on hand than most countries, including the US of A.

BIG TIME jealousy. Like I don't care how obvious about it I'm going to be. I'm just going to make myself look really stupid and be a hater but I secretly per-ordered one last week.

nytiger73 said,

Agreed. I don't understand the threat. I really don't. I think because it's Apple and because it's a closed system. I also have a sneaking suspicion that jealousy plays a part. Couple with the fact that Apple has more cash on hand than most countries, including the US of A.

As long as there's an alternative to Apple, I'm fine. But they're also setting trends that the industry is following. Not all of these trends are good. Therein lies the threat.

And yes, I know that glare is a light. A properly designed screen won't have those issues. Nowadays it's hard to find a laptop or tablet without a glossy screen (another trend Apple really pushed through the industry). I have to pay extra in many cases for an anti-glare (normal) screen. I like products you can actually use outside or under typical office overhead lighting without getting a headache from all the glare.

Enron said,

And yes, I know that glare is a light. A properly designed screen won't have those issues. Nowadays it's hard to find a laptop or tablet without a glossy screen (another trend Apple really pushed through the industry). I have to pay extra in many cases for an anti-glare (normal) screen. I like products you can actually use outside or under typical office overhead lighting without getting a headache from all the glare.

LG makes Nova displays that are pretty good in the sunlight. But not everyone is like you? Nova is good for outdoor sunlight. Super AMOLED Plus is the best contrast you are going to get when watching movies and has the best wide angel viewing. Retina display is good for text readability and color gamut while maintains a decent battery life.

You see, these are all different philosophies so to speak. What do you really want and go with the that. But against just like not everyone is like you, not everyone is like me and researching the different technologies being used.

Surely games won't be able to run at that native resolution, and if up-scaled won't they just look the same as on previous iPads?

My 5-year-old wants one. And me, a staunch anti-apple, pro-android user.
Perhaps I can tempt him with an Ice-cream sandwich.

Shiranui said,
My 5-year-old wants one. And me, a staunch anti-apple, pro-android user.
Perhaps I can tempt him with an Ice-cream sandwich.

and pay psychologist until he/she got 21 . LOL. ics is not good enough. i hope JB get to the top

So it's the iPad2 with double resolution and the bigger engine to drive it (and not much extra juice for anything else)..

Retina does make a huge difference, and there is no screen on the market that even comes close to this beauty. Also, the graphical performance is phenomanal. The iPad 2 scored 2 times better in the GL benchmarks then the Tegra 3. The first benchmarks from the new iPad shows a 2 times better performance then the iPad 2, so this thing really is 4x better in graphical performance then the Tegra 3 is. The gaming possibillities are insane, and this is just the 3rd year the iPad exists. Can you imagine what it'll be in another two years? Who needs a console when you have console-graphics and can play through Airplay on your TV?

Edited by Dannydeman, Mar 16 2012, 8:48am :

Dannydeman said,
Retina does make a huge difference, and there is no screen on the market that even comes close to this beauty. Also, the graphical performance is phenomanal. The iPad 2 scored 2 times better in the GL benchmarks then the Tegra 3. The first benchmarks from the new iPad shows a 2 times better performance then the iPad 2, so this thing really is 4x better in graphical performance then the Tegra 3 is. The gaming possibillities are insane, and this is just the 3rd year the iPad exists. Can you imagine what it'll be in another two years? Who needs a console when you have console-graphics and can play through Airplay on your TV?

I hope Apple pays you for repeating their marketing almost word for word, except with some spelling issues.

Serious dude, you are directly drinking the kool-aid. You can like the device and not believe the 'hype' of the Apple talking points.

Why is one of the cons "LTE is expensive"? Not really a fault of the iPad. What you could've put is that the iPad is only compatible with LTE from major US networks (doesn't work with European 4G).

I would love to see that screen in action. Next time I'm shopping, I'll go look at one. However, I still cannot see the point of owning a tablet for personal use - IMHO, its still a niche product thats had some serious media attention as of late. Pretty much all phones on the market can do web surfing, games, media browsing, email and the whole social network craze. Why does someone need a bigger version of that is beyond me when we have laptops.

Can't see tablets being as mainstream in 5 years. Maybe in 5 years, dumb touch screen laptops that use your mobile phone to power them will be the "in thing" (i.e. like the atrix lapdock). Gone off topic slightly...

Mine is good for...

A) traveling. It's brilliant on a plane (or in the back seat of a car). Video, music, wireless Internet available on most flights, etc.

B) playing solitaire or web browsing when sitting on the can.

And that's really all it's good for.

It's too bulky to carry around with you just for listening to music. The games and applications are really just freeware-grade novelty crap that you might spend a dollar or two on if you're bored.

Since the touch keyboard isn't very efficient, it really isn't very good in an office environment to take notes, etc.

It can be good for artists to show their portfolio on, or to show pictures of the kids at a party maybe, but if you're showing a video presentation, you're going to want to play it on a very large screen with real impact, not hunched over a glowing notepad.

Etc.

The thing to me is, the increased resolution is nice, but for what? Can anyone honestly say they have trouble reading text on their current tablets? On a screen that big your not gonna need 1080p for watching movies, 720p is easily sharp enough.
So in the end, the biggest improvements the screen will bring will be from viewing photos and rendering 3d polygons. Even though they've upgraded the GPU (slightly...) it's not enough to render games at the new resolution with gfx as good as the ipad 2. Sure they can upscale 1024 but then, what's the point? Just doesn't seem like a big enough upgrade to warrant the insane price. I'm not saying the screen doesn't look gorgeous, because it does! I think they should have included upgradable storage or a mini hdmi out. Jus sayin...

Slammers said,
The thing to me is, the increased resolution is nice, but for what? Can anyone honestly say they have trouble reading text on their current tablets? On a screen that big your not gonna need 1080p for watching movies, 720p is easily sharp enough.

Of course you're 100% correct here. I've got an iPad1 and I watch 720p movies on it (streamed from my laptop or stored on board with VLC) and I've NEVER had an issue with pixels or sharpness at a comfortable viewing distance.

It's all hype to try and get people to buy the same damn thing all over again.

excalpius said,

Of course you're 100% correct here. I've got an iPad1 and I watch 720p movies on it (streamed from my laptop or stored on board with VLC) and I've NEVER had an issue with pixels or sharpness at a comfortable viewing distance.

It's all hype to try and get people to buy the same damn thing all over again.

You may not have trouble READING the text, but depending on what you are reading you have to zoom on, otherwise the text can be quite pixelated and difficult to read. So the difference can and will be HUGE for those who use the device to read.

With videos, you might notice a little difference, but not all that much.

I had an Acer Iconia for all of 7 days. It was the WORST thing I had ever used. Slow and laggy (typical Android). Text in books and magazines was just horrid, I had problems with wi-fi, just to name a few things. I'd never own an Android device again. For me it's either a Windows Mobile device or an iDevice.

nytiger73 said,

You may not have trouble READING the text, but depending on what you are reading you have to zoom on, otherwise the text can be quite pixelated and difficult to read. So the difference can and will be HUGE for those who use the device to read.

With videos, you might notice a little difference, but not all that much.

I had an Acer Iconia for all of 7 days. It was the WORST thing I had ever used. Slow and laggy (typical Android). Text in books and magazines was just horrid, I had problems with wi-fi, just to name a few things. I'd never own an Android device again. For me it's either a Windows Mobile device or an iDevice.

Reading is not a great argument...

If this was the 'intent' Apple should invest in a better' font sub-pixel anti-aliasing and hinting technology for sharper fonts with less bleeding.

(Sadly iOS doesn't do any better with fonts than Android.)

The display is pretty, but the problem is that Apple doesn't use the GPU enough to assist in the display rendering, and this is going to hurt a bit with upscaling bitmaps and native resolution rendering.

Go to IETestDrive (not the mobile version) on either the iPad2 or iPad3, hit more tests and select Fireflies or Speed Reading or even IEFish. The iPad2 can't maintain a 'usable' FPS, let alone hold a 30 or 60fps score. The iPad3 even with the newer GPU, at the higher resolution of the test the numbers go down.
*And this is just HTML5 web browsing stuff.

I'd like to get Android onto the new iPad. See for me, it's more of a functionality thing. I can flash the crud out of my phone, and do all sorts of neat things, like a custom cyanogenmod ROM, an alternate splash screen, when you boot the device, and last night, I made a custom bootanimation for my phone. Not to mention, doing things like tethering. I know that Apple permits this, but it's at the discretion of the carrier (Verizon), and I believe they charge that separately. I like the new Apple hardware, I think it's just a shame to be force fed, their closed environment. These aren't new points or arguments, they've been made before, I just really wished Apple opened up their products.

anaughtymouse said,
I'd like to get Android onto the new iPad. See for me, it's more of a functionality thing. I can flash the crud out of my phone, and do all sorts of neat things, like a custom cyanogenmod ROM, an alternate splash screen, when you boot the device, and last night, I made a custom bootanimation for my phone. Not to mention, doing things like tethering. I know that Apple permits this, but it's at the discretion of the carrier (Verizon), and I believe they charge that separately. I like the new Apple hardware, I think it's just a shame to be force fed, their closed environment. These aren't new points or arguments, they've been made before, I just really wished Apple opened up their products.

Which is why the iPad I can use but not the iPhone. I've made my point before, I love my Android phone because it is my daily driver. An iPad is something that will be used for browsing the web, playing games, watching movies. It doesn't need to be open for me. Hell, I never rooted my Motorola Xoom because there was nothing rooting offered me for a tablet.

UndergroundWire said,

Which is why the iPad I can use but not the iPhone. I've made my point before, I love my Android phone because it is my daily driver. An iPad is something that will be used for browsing the web, playing games, watching movies. It doesn't need to be open for me. Hell, I never rooted my Motorola Xoom because there was nothing rooting offered me for a tablet.

Yeah i totally agree with you. I have an ipod touch and did not jail break it. I mean i bought it to listen to mp3 without draining my phone battery. It does want i want it to do (and more when i have access to wifi). The only reason to jailbreak it would be to use pirated version of games but i don't want to do that i pay for what i use.

But i would not buy a iphone. I own an android phone and i am perfectly happy with it.

As for tablet i'm waiting to see what windows 8 tablets looks like. I already have my iphone for mp3 and little bit of gaming on the road so my tablet will be used mainly to surf the web on the road but also take notes during conference (and also replace the ipod while doing so). I will probably not carry my tablet outside of work the ipod does the job and is smaller. A windows tablet might be better suited for work.

kcbworth said,

I'd like to get windows 8 onto the new ipad.

When people start doing this with a modifed ARM version of Windows 8, Apple will revise their policy and lock the iPad 4 hard.

As the information on Windows 8 ARM suggests, its performance advantage over iOS is considerable, especially for graphics.

anaughtymouse said,
I'd like to get Android onto the new iPad. See for me, it's more of a functionality thing. I can flash the crud out of my phone, and do all sorts of neat things, like a custom cyanogenmod ROM, an alternate splash screen, when you boot the device, and last night, I made a custom bootanimation for my phone. Not to mention, doing things like tethering. I know that Apple permits this, but it's at the discretion of the carrier (Verizon), and I believe they charge that separately. I like the new Apple hardware, I think it's just a shame to be force fed, their closed environment. These aren't new points or arguments, they've been made before, I just really wished Apple opened up their products.

Android? like any other google (nerd) product besides chrome, sucks....
sucks as i dont know... its HORRIBLE (exept for miui)
windows is the past, and the future

iguanas said,

Android? like any other google (nerd) product besides chrome, sucks....
sucks as i dont know... its HORRIBLE (exept for miui)
windows is the past, and the future

Funny you posted three comments in the past 15 minutes and it's nothing but Android hate. How old are you? Do you have anything intelligent to say? Isn't it past your bedtime?

I find it a bit strange that for years I was a resolution junky while everyone else just bought crappy low res monitors (even big one), but now, all of a sudden resolution matters

Even weirder when you realise that despite having a higher resolution, everything appears in exactly the same size, so you can't even fit anything more on the screen. Wtf and people suddenly think this is amazing?

Being a resolution junky, absolutely, it's awesome... much like many Dell monitors over the last 10 years, but man, people change their tune.

kcbworth said,
I find it a bit strange that for years I was a resolution junky while everyone else just bought crappy low res monitors (even big one), but now, all of a sudden resolution matters

Even weirder when you realise that despite having a higher resolution, everything appears in exactly the same size, so you can't even fit anything more on the screen. Wtf and people suddenly think this is amazing?

Being a resolution junky, absolutely, it's awesome... much like many Dell monitors over the last 10 years, but man, people change their tune.

Easy. Double resolution isn't only the big thing: DPI is. It's not about how much information you can fit on the screen, neither about how big information looks. It's about the perfection of the image quality. Seriously, look at the pictures of this article and compare iPad 2 with the new iPad side by side. iPad 2 is like looking at the ****ty '90s screens, while new iPad is like looking at real newspaper, a real life scene or something like that.
It didn't matter less few years ago, but then we didn't have such good screens. Apple performed a real revolution with his Retina Display, first on iPhone/iPod, and now on the iPad, and probably soon on Macbooks and iMacs.

Those knew Apple screens looks sharp and clear. Old and smaller resolution screens look blurry and "squarish" (because of the pixels). What do you choose? In the future every screen of every manufacturer will look that good. For now, Apple wins this battle.

Higher res made things look better 10 years ago and noone cared? There were good monitors 10 years ago and people still bought crap ones? I agree that it's the way to go, but I thought that 10 years ago and noone cared. Why now? Oh, because Apple did it.

kcbworth said,
Higher res made things look better 10 years ago and noone cared? There were good monitors 10 years ago and people still bought crap ones? I agree that it's the way to go, but I thought that 10 years ago and noone cared. Why now? Oh, because Apple did it.

Well yes, apple did "do it". But that's because their the only company who have managed to take it to the mainstreamers.

kcbworth said,
I find it a bit strange that for years I was a resolution junky while everyone else just bought crappy low res monitors (even big one), but now, all of a sudden resolution matters

Even weirder when you realise that despite having a higher resolution, everything appears in exactly the same size, so you can't even fit anything more on the screen. Wtf and people suddenly think this is amazing?

Being a resolution junky, absolutely, it's awesome... much like many Dell monitors over the last 10 years, but man, people change their tune.

I remember having an 8514 and running 1024x768 with 256 color around 1990, and the first new generation of Graphics cards from ATI (Vantage/Ultra) that also offered 1024x768 accelerated like the 8514. (The ATI also had the grayscale mode for graphic anti-aliasing and font smoothing that was just pretty.)

In 2002 PC users were buying 1600x1200 displays on their laptops, and in 2004 1920x1200 was a common laptop screen for high end models.

Both times Apple told users (which would repeat it) that all the extra pixels were silly, and just wasted performance, and blah, talking point, blah...

I have always loved high resolution devices, and the 'new' iPad does have a pretty display. However, Apple fans 'NOW' telling everyone us how 'great' and 'important' this is makes me want to choke.

Really, if 'resolution' was so more important, why has it taken Apple decades to offer anything at the same level as non Apple products?

(Even the Amiga and Atari ST back in 1985 had better displays than Mac. And as color became popular, Apple dismissed it, telling users it was not necessary, and 16 shades of gray was better because they couldn't compete with VGA 640x480 with 16/256 colors.)


PC users have had higher resolution options than Mac since the late 1980s.

Even today if you want to use a new 36bit,40bit,42bit,48bit color display. A Mac cannot produce more than 24bit color (with an 8bit mask calling it 32bit).

To use one of these new 'beautiful' monitors, you have to be running Windows 7.


The new iPad has a great display; however, Apple fans DO NOT lecture 'everyone else' how important this is now that Apple has 'almost' caught up to the rest of the world 25 years later.

We tried to explain this to you 20 years ago when watching you work with Pagemaker on a low resolution Mac Display and not sure whether to feel sorry or laugh.

(Heck even the 'printer' options back then was insane, as the Apple Laser printers you were in love with lacked the onboard RAM and DPI that far cheaper printers offered and is why we could use 80-90 lpi screens and print 11x17 and even 8 1/2x 14 pages that you could not.)

So will Apple now be echoing this kind of screen across all their products. Wasn't a their a rumor a while back that the new Macbook would have a super hi res screen also?

Lamp0 said,
So will Apple now be echoing this kind of screen across all their products. Wasn't a their a rumor a while back that the new Macbook would have a super hi res screen also?
There's been some support for retina graphics discovered in OS X, so they're definitely considering it.

That screen is brilliant. This, like all apple products, has a great selling point. Great move for the retina display by Apple. The screen ups the game in competition and takes attention away from revised chipsets - which is the only thing that ever seems to matter nowadays. The iPad 3 has definitely sold itself.

I'm not a fan of ipads but dam thats a nice screen. I look forward to getting a windows based tablet or even a computer monitor with that pixel density.

Update: my boss picked one up today... to be honest it can be hard to notice, the biggest difference is when reading text but for everything else you have to look to notice.

with that said iv only spent 5 minutes with it.

dafin0 said,
Update: my boss picked one up today... to be honest it can be hard to notice, the biggest difference is when reading text but for everything else you have to look to notice.

with that said iv only spent 5 minutes with it.

Most apps wouldn't have been updated yet, so you can only really judge it off the native apps at the moment (Safari etc)

DomZ said,

Most apps wouldn't have been updated yet, so you can only really judge it off the native apps at the moment (Safari etc)

dont really try any apps, looks at the main menu, with google maps you can really see a difference in colour when looking at the colour yellow/Orange compared to the last ipad. we also open up a high res picture but not a huge diffrence. ether way i still think its nice to have a screen of that res but its not as in your face as i would of thought.

dafin0 said,
I'm not a fan of ipads but dam thats a nice screen. I look forward to getting a windows based tablet or even a computer monitor with that pixel density.

I have owned an ASUS Win tablet as well as worked with most of the other models. Until MIcrosoft's partners start focusing on battery life and getting at least 8 hours with basic usage a Win tablet will never make it. Every Win tablet I have used got maybe 4 hours of life with just using the browser and office.

Having a full computer on that platform is cool but not viable as long as the battery life is horrible. Win8 may help with this but not as much as people would like.

Meh, I don't know, seems too much just for the display. I viewed one earlier today along side with an asus transformer (1280x720) and I could not view the individual pixels on either of the devices. I feel like apple needs to upgrade it's OS if it wants the ipad to appeal to tech savvy users.

Slammers said,
Meh, I don't know, seems too much just for the display. I viewed one earlier today along side with an asus transformer (1280x720) and I could not view the individual pixels on either of the devices. I feel like apple needs to upgrade it's OS if it wants the ipad to appeal to tech savvy users.

Not sure if serious...

dagamer34 said,

Not sure if serious...

Android Fanboys are out of their mind. Android allright on phones but it is shity on tablets.

I'm not an android fanboy if I could have any phone it would be a windows one or an iphone. And I beleive ios abviously has the best apps. The OS is the only thing that would be stopping me buying an ipad over a ICS based android pad. I hate it. I mean look at it^. It looks like one of those budget chinese mp3 players. And I seriously couldnt see the pixels on either. The ipad 3 DID look better, slightly britter and more saturated but on a screen that size it just seems like a waste of processing power having to render things at that resolution.

Slammers said,
I'm not an android fanboy if I could have any phone it would be a windows one or an iphone. And I beleive ios abviously has the best apps. The OS is the only thing that would be stopping me buying an ipad over a ICS based android pad. I hate it. I mean look at it^. It looks like one of those budget chinese mp3 players. And I seriously couldnt see the pixels on either. The ipad 3 DID look better, slightly britter and more saturated but on a screen that size it just seems like a waste of processing power having to render things at that resolution.


I played with ICS and it still awful. Android needs about another year before its ready on tablets. Windows 8 needs 1.5 years

Melfster said,

Android Fanboys are out of their mind. Android allright on phones but it is shity on tablets.

Spoken like a true apple zombie!

Slammers said,
Meh, I don't know, seems too much just for the display. I viewed one earlier today along side with an asus transformer (1280x720) and I could not view the individual pixels on either of the devices. I feel like apple needs to upgrade it's OS if it wants the ipad to appeal to tech savvy users.
That's what I thought if the iPhone 4 back when I had my 3Gs, then I got the 4S. At first the screen looked great as I would expect from a new gadget but I really appreciated the retina display when I went BACK to use my 3Gs (I kept it as a GPS/iPod when I go running). I'm sure the new iPad screen looks amazing and I would bet a lot of money it makes a HUGE difference

Slammers said,
I feel like apple needs to upgrade it's OS if it wants the ipad to appeal to tech savvy users.

It doesn't need to. Here is the thing, I'm tech savvy. I just don't use the iPhone. I prefer Android. However when it comes down to it, the iPad is mostly a media consumption device. I want something simple for media consumption and I don't have it with me all the time. But for a phone, that is with me 24/7. That is my daily driver and I want something that does more than an iPhone or Windows Phone or Blackberry Phone.

It's obvious by Apple's success that they don't need to do anything different just yet for the iPad.

Melfster said,


I played with ICS and it still awful. Android needs about another year before its ready on tablets. Windows 8 needs 1.5 years

Honestly, I don't see how Windows 8 has any chance of making an impact. I'm basing this on a lot of assumptions. The biggest assumption will be price. I don't think Windows 8 can release a tablet for a competitive price.

Think about it? if it is priced at $499, why won't I just buy a laptop for a $100 more? The laptop will be faster, right? We are talking about different chips in these devices after all.

smooth3006 said,

Spoken like a true apple zombie!

Owning n Android phone and tablet, I agree, the iPad is better than Android tablets.

Slammers said,
Meh, I don't know, seems too much just for the display. I viewed one earlier today along side with an asus transformer (1280x720) and I could not view the individual pixels on either of the devices. I feel like apple needs to upgrade it's OS if it wants the ipad to appeal to tech savvy users.

Yes, apple needs to adopt windows 8

Melfster said,

Android Fanboys are out of their mind.


My god, will you people please stop calling people fanboys all the time for no reason? Explaining you can't differentiate pixels on a 1280*720 screen doesn't make someone a fanboy.

UndergroundWire said,

Honestly, I don't see how Windows 8 has any chance of making an impact. I'm basing this on a lot of assumptions. The biggest assumption will be price. I don't think Windows 8 can release a tablet for a competitive price.

Think about it? if it is priced at $499, why won't I just buy a laptop for a $100 more? The laptop will be faster, right? We are talking about different chips in these devices after all.

It's perfect tool for game developer. If you aiming at creating game for any Touch device with Unity, you can work like on normal computer and then test on the same device how touch behaves. On other systems you will have to deploy game first, install it on iPad or Android, test, comeback to normal computer, fix, again deploy, install, test... etc. On Windows 8 you don't have to deploy game, install etc., you just work without exiting your IDE and test gameplay like you would test normal game that is made for mouse.

I think many creators, not just game developers, will use it because of this.

Ishanx said,

Owning n Android phone and tablet, I agree, the iPad is better than Android tablets.

Yet you don't own one, so go buy one with 3.x or 4.x on it and get back to us and stop comparing a phone to a tablet.

xendrome said,

Yet you don't own one, so go buy one with 3.x or 4.x on it and get back to us and stop comparing a phone to a tablet.

Did you not read his post?

UndergroundWire said,

It doesn't need to. Here is the thing, I'm tech savvy. I just don't use the iPhone. I prefer Android. However when it comes down to it, the iPad is mostly a media consumption device. I want something simple for media consumption and I don't have it with me all the time. But for a phone, that is with me 24/7. That is my daily driver and I want something that does more than an iPhone or Windows Phone or Blackberry Phone.

It's obvious by Apple's success that they don't need to do anything different just yet for the iPad.

Tech Savvy? No you're not.

Melfster said,

Android Fanboys are out of their mind. Android allright on phones but it is shity on tablets.


I have the ASUS Transformer and it is great. Do not want any other tab.

Melfster said,

Android Fanboys are out of their mind. Android allright on phones but it is shity on tablets.

Look at neowins pics in the review. Look at the one with the ipad 2 next to an ipad 3 from a few feet up. you cant tell the difference.

UndergroundWire said,

Honestly, I don't see how Windows 8 has any chance of making an impact. I'm basing this on a lot of assumptions. The biggest assumption will be price. I don't think Windows 8 can release a tablet for a competitive price.

Think about it? if it is priced at $499, why won't I just buy a laptop for a $100 more? The laptop will be faster, right? We are talking about different chips in these devices after all.

because the win8 tablet will be the same as buying a laptop x86 most likly the same processor and graphics, ssd's, etc however be much more portable, thus why buy a laptop instead of the tablet.. if i was apply i would be very concerned I read many blog sites and alot of people are plaining to ditch their ipads for win8 tablets why would you buy a ipad for 499, 599, 699 when you can buy a win8 tablet with more power, tripple the storage space, and it being a real pc prediction there will be more than 100 million win8 tabs sold by the end of the year.

majortom1981 said,

Look at neowins pics in the review. Look at the one with the ipad 2 next to an ipad 3 from a few feet up. you cant tell the difference.

Go to the store and compare the two side by side. Unless you are blind as a bat, you will see a difference.

rruffman said,

because the win8 tablet will be the same as buying a laptop x86 most likly the same processor and graphics, ssd's, etc however be much more portable, thus why buy a laptop instead of the tablet.. if i was apply i would be very concerned I read many blog sites and alot of people are plaining to ditch their ipads for win8 tablets why would you buy a ipad for 499, 599, 699 when you can buy a win8 tablet with more power, tripple the storage space, and it being a real pc prediction there will be more than 100 million win8 tabs sold by the end of the year.

It will not be the same processor. You are telling me that it will be a core i3/i5/i7? Better yet, you are telling me it will be the quad-core kind?

UndergroundWire said,

It will not be the same processor. You are telling me that it will be a core i3/i5/i7? Better yet, you are telling me it will be the quad-core kind?

Actually there are i3/i5/i7 Windows 8 Tablets in the works. You can already buy an i5 and i7 Windows TabletPC.

Are you new?

thenetavenger said,

Actually there are i3/i5/i7 Windows 8 Tablets in the works. You can already buy an i5 and i7 Windows TabletPC.

Are you new?


Windows 7 is not designed for tablet. But thank you for proving my point (once again) What was the price there sport? You really think people will pay roughly $1250 for a 12" tablet when they can spend the same amount and buy a 13" Ultrabook with a bigger hard drive?

So thank you for proving my point. You make it too easy sometimes.

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But to answer your lame question, Am I new? No definitely not. I wasn't born yesterday champ.

UndergroundWire said,

It doesn't need to. Here is the thing, I'm tech savvy. I just don't use the iPhone. I prefer Android. However when it comes down to it, the iPad is mostly a media consumption device. I want something simple for media consumption and I don't have it with me all the time. But for a phone, that is with me 24/7. That is my daily driver and I want something that does more than an iPhone or Windows Phone or Blackberry Phone.

It's obvious by Apple's success that they don't need to do anything different just yet for the iPad.

and android do more? really..? LOL

iguanas said,

and android do more? really..? LOL

Wow, you are mighty defensive. Here is a suggestion, quit being a baby. These are for my needs. But incase you want to know how I scored it, here it is:

1) Since the phone is with me all times I wanted one that has a big screen. Which platform has a big screen?
2) I'm never at my home office so I need to have the ability to tether to my wireless devices. How may offer 4G LTE?
3) I need to have a dedicated screen for email at a glance, daily agenda and items to do without actually going into the app. How many offer that?
4) Lastly since I am always on the go and constantly using my phone, how many can offer a removable battery.

No score the highest and you'll see why it suits me.

SkyyPunk said,
That screen....so sexy!

So basically for 95% of the people buying this, it's a ipad2 but with a 3 instead of a 2. Seriously two years and they haven't improved the speakers one bit?

Ugly white version.

Cramming tons of resolution onto a tiny screen is worthless at any comfortable viewing distance (notice how the screen shots have to be ridiculously zoomed in just to see any difference).

Not enough storage space on board for more than a few movies (and that's only if they are h264 compressed first).

Meh.

I own the iPad1 and I will NEVER make that mistake again. I'd like a Windows 8 tablet so that I can actually run the programs I actually use, not the half-assed freeware-grade equivalents available for my iPad.

excalpius said,
Cramming tons of resolution onto a tiny screen is worthless at any comfortable viewing distance (notice how the screen shots have to be ridiculously zoomed in just to see any difference).

At least, the fonts are not so crappy as on ipad1/ipad2....

excalpius said,
Ugly white version.
Cramming tons of resolution onto a tiny screen is worthless at any comfortable viewing distance (notice how the screen shots have to be ridiculously zoomed in just to see any difference).

Exactly...if screen resolution is your biggest selling point, you have some serious problems.

Also, I find it laughable that they have to zoom in so much to show the difference. The picture of the 2 ipads side by side, has no noticeable difference.

The Gunslinger said,
Also, I find it laughable that they have to zoom in so much to show the difference. The picture of the 2 ipads side by side, has no noticeable difference.
So you're going to judge that based off of a tiny picture of the two iPads sitting side by side? Really?

I could do the same thing with a picture of iPhone 4 and an iPhone 3GS sitting side by side, yet the difference in the two screens is huge.

excalpius said,
Ugly white version.

Cramming tons of resolution onto a tiny screen is worthless at any comfortable viewing distance (notice how the screen shots have to be ridiculously zoomed in just to see any difference).

Not enough storage space on board for more than a few movies (and that's only if they are h264 compressed first).

Meh.

I own the iPad1 and I will NEVER make that mistake again. I'd like a Windows 8 tablet so that I can actually run the programs I actually use, not the half-assed freeware-grade equivalents available for my iPad.

Odd, my iPad1 is 32GB and I usually have at least 1-2 seasons of a show on it as well as around 6-8 movies on it. And all of them are at least DVD quality. Sounds like you need a better compression utility.

excalpius said,
I own the iPad1 and I will NEVER make that mistake again. I'd like a Windows 8 tablet so that I can actually run the programs I actually use, not the half-assed freeware-grade equivalents available for my iPad.

Prediction: The Windows 8 app store will also be full of half-assed freeware-grade equivalents of your favourite programs. Yay Metro!

(Remember, legacy software won't run on ARM tablets... unless you're going to pay a likely insane amount for an Intel-based tablet.)

Gaffney said,

So basically for 95% of the people buying this, it's a ipad2 but with a 3 instead of a 2. Seriously two years and they haven't improved the speakers one bit?

It is strange that Apple doesn't get importance of speakers.

From the iPhone speaker that people give tips on poking the membrane with a pin all the way back to portable Macs like the iBook in the 90s that didn't even have stereo speakers.

When there are 'cheap' cell phones that have better sound than the iPad, Apple needs to rethink speakers.

There are several cheap phones with SRS don't need a dock to be usable in a personal or home setting, and have virtual surround for movies.

The 'output' quality of even the speaker jack on the iPhone/iPad don't offer the audio quality that other 'compared' devices. Take an iPhone, hook it up to a Corvette Bose system, or even the average good inexpensive car system, and then take a cheap WP7 HTC Trophy with SRS, and you won't use the iPhone in the car again for music.

lunarworks said,

Prediction: The Windows 8 app store will also be full of half-assed freeware-grade equivalents of your favourite programs. Yay Metro!

(Remember, legacy software won't run on ARM tablets... unless you're going to pay a likely insane amount for an Intel-based tablet.)

Ya, can 'recompile' is so freaking hard for the majority of software that uses even the traditional Win32 APIs. For the preview of Windows 8 on ARM last year, Microsoft had Word, Excel, and Firefox (simply recompiled for ARM) running on their demonstration models - and they were not lacking features and were fast, on a CPU slower than the iPad2.

Seem to be forgetting .NET based applications will run, as they are not architecture or CPU specific.

Newer AMD and Intel x86 low end processors are close to ARM battery levels, and they are x86. So for 1hr less battery life, being able to draw on a tablet with a real pressure sensitive stylus in Painter or Photoshop is a good trade.

And what ANY of that has to do with Metro? NOTHING... It also should make you question your thinking, as since Metro (WinRT) based applications are not CPU specific, and will run on ARM and x86 equally.

The Gunslinger said,

Exactly...if screen resolution is your biggest selling point, you have some serious problems.

Also, I find it laughable that they have to zoom in so much to show the difference. The picture of the 2 ipads side by side, has no noticeable difference.

and u will always use subpar open source software

grendal said,

Odd, my iPad1 is 32GB and I usually have at least 1-2 seasons of a show on it as well as around 6-8 movies on it. And all of them are at least DVD quality. Sounds like you need a better compression utility.

DVD quality. 480p. The "new iPad" is touting 1080p, etc. on it's teeny tiny little screen, so I was using that to point out the fallacy of consuming truly HD media on it.

And I'm sure you'll notice the extra resolution when you scale up your 480p divx DVD rips to 2048 pixels across. 8P

excalpius said,

DVD quality. 480p. The "new iPad" is touting 1080p, etc. on it's teeny tiny little screen, so I was using that to point out the fallacy of consuming truly HD media on it.

9.7" is tiny for something you use at about 1/2 arms length? News to me.

Gaffney said,

So basically for 95% of the people buying this, it's a ipad2 but with a 3 instead of a 2. Seriously two years and they haven't improved the speakers one bit?

Not sure why you're expecting good sound quality from tablet speakers? There's no room. It's physically impossible to do something decent there, so you can just as well put something cheap in there, in my opinion. For good sound quality here, you really need to hook it up to actual normal speakers, or listen in headphones. I don't think many tablet owners are surprised to find that out. Again, there's no room for good speakers in a tablet.

excalpius said,
Ugly white version.

Cramming tons of resolution onto a tiny screen is worthless at any comfortable viewing distance (notice how the screen shots have to be ridiculously zoomed in just to see any difference).


It's very easy to spot the difference in reality.

The reason they're zoomed in is because if they were shown "1:1", you'd only see a high resolution screenshot on your low DPI display. They need to do this. I hope for your sake that you've figured this out.

Not enough storage space on board for more than a few movies (and that's only if they are h264 compressed first).

Meh.


This isn't a big problem for you, since you don't seem to care much for movie quality on a tablet device (see above: cramming tons of resolution is worthless)... You should thus be able to store quite a few movies on an iPad.
I own the iPad1 and I will NEVER make that mistake again. I'd like a Windows 8 tablet so that I can actually run the programs I actually use, not the half-assed freeware-grade equivalents available for my iPad.

You're saying a lot about an OS that hasn't been released and barely has an app market in comparison. Windows software has traditionally had wildly varying quality, so why should that change now?