Rumor: Next Xbox to be six times as powerful as Xbox 360

We have seen a lot of rumors about the next hardware version of Microsoft's Xbox game console in the past few months. This week, IGN reports, via unnamed sources, that the console will have a graphics chip that will be based on AMD's Radeon 6000 series. The article further claims that the graphics chip will have hardware specs close to the Radeon HD 6670, which currently sells for $79.99.

According to IGN, the graphics in the next Xbox console will be six time as powerful as the current Xbox 360. Furthermore, it is expected that the next Xbox will be 20 percent more powerful than Nintendo's upcoming Wii U console which is expected to launch sometime in 2012. The article adds that Microsoft is targeting an October-November 2013 launch for the next Xbox.

Just a few days ago, rumors hit the Internet that the first processors made for the next Xbox had started being produced. However, IGN claims that mass production of the next Xbox's GPU won't happen until the end of 2012. Development kits with the console's final hardware specs are supposed to be delivered to game developers and publishers sometime in August 2012, according to IGN.

It's looking more and more likely that Microsoft will make some sort of announcement regarding the next version of the Xbox at E3 in June, much like how Nintendo previewed the Wii U for the first time at E3 2011.

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The article adds that Microsoft is targeting an October-November 2013 launch for the next Xbox.

Should tell anyone with a brain, that the GPU will be far beyond the 6670, as the GPU technology is always been a 'step' ahead of what is available in the PC world, and a last minute production technology.

The current development 'testing' maybe done on these GPUs, probably used in an X2 or X4 configuration, but that doesn't mean the shipping GPU will be the 6670.

(The Dual - Power PC Dual Core G5 and ATI GPUs used in the XBox 360 development machines were far from what was released in the XBox 360, with a TriCore CPU, that can handle six threads, and a new GPU architecture that had never been seen, and wasn't even shown until 9 months before the release date.

If Microsoft is limiting themselves to a dated GPU technology already, it would be stupid upon stupid.

Somehow this article is also disregarding that Microsoft has their own hardware Engineers that DID design the XBox 360 GPU and modified the CPU to speed up the IBM/Apple designs.

Why would Microsoft ignore their own engineers to take an off the shelf AMD GPU, when they already have whitepapers from their engineers and R&D on new ways to make GPU and gaming technology that will be behind DirectX 12 and 13, which the next XBox will have before we even get a hint at DirectX13.

DirectX11 in 2009 finally caught up to the XBox 360 DirectX subset, with tensellation and other GPU technologies in the XBox 360, does the world really think the next generation XBox will be built around the 6670 which is the same DirectX 11 technology that is already in the XBox 360?

The DirectX hardware limitations of the 6670 GPU should be enough to make people go, um, ya probably NOT. Especially when it is the same freaking DirectX hardware parity as the current XBox 360, why limit themselves to technology they designed back in 2004?

Remember back to the XBox 360 development and the 'unknown' GPU and rumors and the CPU rumors that it was just a G5 PowerPC, etc etc... Then we found out the GPU was far beyond anything speculated or even available to developers and the CPU was far beyond the standard G5 PowerPC, not only faster in raw power, but tri core with six thread capability.

(Well, at least the people that pay attention to this stuff should know better based on the XBox 360 speculation failures. The majority of the world doesn't even realize the XBox 360 can run six threads at a time on the CPU, has the first GPU DMA technology and BUS transfer technology, unified shaders and new stream processing features, ever used in a GPU and is the architecture basis of all modern GPUs and created the technology that allows CUDA 2.x to run and OpenCL to run on the GPU, etc, etc.)

You know this rumor just has to be put out there to get publicity for the next xbox. What is better than great advertising? Free advertising. You know that when they were making the 360 it was at the time, some of the more cutting edge tech. Do you really think that they would end up choosing tech that is already outdated now. I can guarantee that this is just a way to create buzz. Getting talking about it, and release in a few years cause by then they will be craving to get their hands on the next console, then next new hot toy.

I bet they will be proper and put a nice setup inside the next console. Even though they are the leader this generation(of the more hardcore games anyway) in terms of sheer numbers on games. They can't drop the ball on this generation or sony might be able to get the top spot back.

My GTX 560Ti is already about as powerful as the Radeon 6950, and of course completely smokes a 6670 by a mile. Further, the 560Ti is only a midrange card and came out almost a year ago. The new Xbox won't be released for almost 2 more years, and already the hardware is tragically outdated.

Only 20% more powerful than the gimmicky Wii U? No, they should be releasing a console with graphics capabilities that the Wii U can't even come close to matching, like with the current Xbox 360 vs. Wii. That's their main selling point!

If this rumor is true, that's just plain sad, MS. Not that I would have bought one anyway.

I currently have a HD6870 1GB MSI HAWK in my quad core rig, so the new Xbox will be close in performance to my now current gaming system. But, once it comes out it will already be obsolete, like my PC card will in 2 months

I don't normally listen to rumours, they're for the forum junkies that have nothing better to do than soup up their dorkiness to gloat to fellow dorks with what's in the future. But, it looks like a nice spec. The 360 is getting tired now, you can see how far behind it is compared to a PC in terms of graphics. I've had the old 360 Premium since 2007, and now have a shiny Slim and only had two 360 failures, one DVD drive and another was RRoD, both of which I fixed myself as I'm a console repairer. I've been lucky, probably because I look after stuff, and service it regularly, cleaning dust and stuff out of my console by pulling it to bits every 6 months, doing it the professional way.

Microsoft haven't let me down massively like Sony have, so they'll be getting my cash for the next machine

The 360 was supposed to have 256MB of ram, but Epic forced MS to change that to 512MB and yet its still barely enough (PS3 is even worse with the split pool). So for everyone's sake, I hope that MS and Sony decide to take whatever number they had in mind (probably 1GB) and quadruple that. I mean, you can get 16GB of DDR3 for under $100 sometimes if you look around. Those are the same kind of prices people were paying for 512MB back in the early 2000's when the current gen was designed. So 4GB is entirely reasonable and more is certainly in the realm of feasibility. I have no doubt that whatever other hardware they choose, developers will squeeze some amazing stuff out of it regardless of how slow it may seem to the PC-gaming-master-race (Us). I would also like to see the Xbox-next using an out-of-order CPU as thats an easy way to increase performance without increasing clockspeed or core-count. I would like to see the PS4 with at least two general purpose CPU cores (PPEs). Small SSDs would be nice, but I expect we'll just see 500+GB laptop drives still (what are they expecting people to put on those drives?) and sadly, one-time-use codes will become the norm, heralding the death of the used-games market (but possibly lower prices for new games...yeah right)

Im sold.
I have had all the consoles... you name it... the only one i still use is the 360 and my nintendo 64

keep it up Microsoft.

Quapps said,
Aslong as it is quieter I would be more than happy with that as an upgrade!

6 times louder, with 6 times the chance of the hardware failing. True story.

PeterTHX said,
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Not even, AMD's DX11 tesselation smokes nvidia.
The only reason nVidia are any better is because they use more power in their GPUs.
I'd rather a cool system running AMD gpu.

PeterTHX said,
MS needs to ditch the AMD parts.

Next headline? SONY and INTEL/nVIDIA announce strategic partnership...

Why? They most likely have a good relationship with AMD so there's no reason for them to "ditch the AMD parts." And if they were to suddenly switch to NVIDIA, for whatever reason, then it would complicate things further in terms of development.

dotf said,

Not even, AMD's DX11 tesselation smokes nvidia.
The only reason nVidia are any better is because they use more power in their GPUs.
I'd rather a cool system running AMD gpu.

Even midrange GeForce 500 series chips are outperforming similar newer generation AMD parts.

Anaron said,
Why? They most likely have a good relationship with AMD so there's no reason for them to "ditch the AMD parts." And if they were to suddenly switch to NVIDIA, for whatever reason, then it would complicate things further in terms of development.

AMD has already proven they can't handle new chip designs very well and fab upon fab issues may choke supply for any new XBOX system.

PeterTHX said,

Even midrange GeForce 500 series chips are outperforming similar newer generation AMD parts.

If you're referring to the Radeon HD 7970, then you are sorely mistaken. Any mid-range GeForce 500 series card doesn't even come close to the performance of AMD's HD 7000 series. So far, only the Radeon HD 7970 has been released so that may change once the mid-range HD 7000 series are released.

PeterTHX said,

AMD has already proven they can't handle new chip designs very well and fab upon fab issues may choke supply for any new XBOX system.

How so? I haven't read anything about issues with the HD 6000 GPUs or the HD 7000 GPUs. Also, which "fab issues" are you talking about? As far as I'm aware, AMD has consistently been ahead of NVIDIA when it comes to newer manufacturing processes as well as newer technologies (first to DX10 and DX11). I'd say they're in a much better position to design the next-gen Xbox GPU than NVIDIA.

Anaron said,
How so? I haven't read anything about issues with the HD 6000 GPUs or the HD 7000 GPUs. Also, which "fab issues" are you talking about? As far as I'm aware, AMD has consistently been ahead of NVIDIA when it comes to newer manufacturing processes as well as newer technologies (first to DX10 and DX11). I'd say they're in a much better position to design the next-gen Xbox GPU than NVIDIA.

AMD is designing the system CPU, according to rumors is a CPU/GPU combo along the lines of Bulldozer - and Bulldozer is pretty much an unmitigated disaster. How can you overlook their fabrication issues is beyond me. AMD promised the moon and delivered cheese. MS is probably pretty worried right now since the contract was based on what Bulldozer was *supposed* to be.

Comparisons to their GPU line is "out of line" since it will be all-in-one chip more than likely.

Edited by PeterTHX, Jan 25 2012, 11:18pm :

Bulldozer was released half-baked, let's wait for next stepping and Piledriver before we judge the architecture. It took Intel 3 revisions to the Pentium 4 until it finally became competitive with Athlons. Looks like people lost their memory...

I thought the next gen consoles will support 2160p or 4320p.
Seems I'll have to wait for 6 or more years then....

Jose_49 said,
I thought the next gen consoles will support 2160p or 4320p.
Seems I'll have to wait for 6 or more years then....
It's unlikely that it'll have native support for any resolution beyond 1080p. It would require a very powerful GPU to render games at 4Kx2K (4,096x2,160) or Quad HD (3,840x2,160). Also, the number of TVs that support those resolutions are negligible compared to 720p/1080p TVs. If Microsoft decides to use a more powerful GPU, then it's possible that it will support 4Kx2K, Quad HD, or both.

I honestly don't care how powerful the next XBox is. I don't play console for the best gfx.

As a owner of 2 broken 360 (RRoD and broken HDMI port for no reason) i'm gonna wait 1 year and let my friends buy it. If none of my friends have problem with it i'm gonna buy it. If like the 360 they have problem with it i'm gonna pass. Of all people i personally know owning a 360 (6 people) only one still has the original. All others had at least one broken 360.

I understand you well. .

But before waiting for 1 year, read the reviews, since MS is always updating Motherboards revisions.

LaP said,
I honestly don't care how powerful the next XBox is. I don't play console for the best gfx.

As a owner of 2 broken 360 (RRoD and broken HDMI port for no reason) i'm gonna wait 1 year and let my friends buy it. If none of my friends have problem with it i'm gonna buy it. If like the 360 they have problem with it i'm gonna pass. Of all people i personally know owning a 360 (6 people) only one still has the original. All others had at least one broken 360.


LaP said,
I honestly don't care how powerful the next XBox is. I don't play console for the best gfx.

As a owner of 2 broken 360 (RRoD and broken HDMI port for no reason) i'm gonna wait 1 year and let my friends buy it. If none of my friends have problem with it i&#.


Uhhh.... Well, its not like you had a 5 year warrenty on that..
OH WAIT.. YOU DID
Microsoft will stand behind you if the product is broken. THAT is why i will not mind.

This is dissapointing. Ideally, I'm hoping the next xbox can handle 1080p, 60fps 3D. The 6670 will not be able to handle that regardless of whether xbox games will be programmed for this specific GPU. It will be outdated by the time it's released.

Disappointing if true and merely reinforces that consoles aren't where to game now days if you want to be playing cutting edge. PC's are too confusing/costly for some. Would be fine if devs could still deliver future gaming on PCs as well as backwards on consoles.

XBox 3 would be just fine for me. Wouldnt this new version be the third generation?
Since I use (and possibly everyone else) use this "box" for music/movies and other media, it just does so much more than gaming.

My usage is usually music, but Skyrim has changed that to 90% gaming and 10% music that last few months.

Where's thenetavenger when you need him?

This rumour has no substance.

IF Microsoft have chosen a gpu technology they are most likely working in secret with that company to produce something custom and new that will do DX12.

Then, actual processing power will be muted by an enhanced featureset.

Spirit Dave said,
I have a AMD Radeon HD 6770M 1024 MB graphics in my Macbook Pro. Is that the generation of GPU they mean?

yep, except it wont be used for running safari and word.

The best thing to happen to the NeXtbox would be if Microsoft maintained complete Xbox 360 game compatibility even several years after like they do for Windows.

yowanvista said,
Doesn't matter, modern PC hardware will always be more technologically advanced.

This is the first generation of consoles to be less advanced than PCs. Its been known for years consoles had advanced graphics compared to PC but now this trend is changing.

Sonic. said,

This is the first generation of consoles to be less advanced than PCs. Its been known for years consoles had advanced graphics compared to PC but now this trend is changing.

*at launch

yowanvista said,
Doesn't matter, modern PC hardware will always be more technologically advanced.

yeah, more advanced... but doesnt mean that games harness the power you have to the fullest.

auziez said,

yeah, more advanced... but doesnt mean that games harness the power you have to the fullest.


That's up to the developers, they should make real games instead of porting some console titles.

metsfan421 said,
PS3 was $700+ when it came out, not $500.00....

Wrong. $500/$600 and the $500 model wasn't horrible like the $300 360 model was.

I other news this rumour turns out to be a rumour made up by IGN

The whole article is rumours about rumours

Please stop putting rumours as front page news

"This week, IGN reports, via unnamed sources"....basically meaning its bull!!!


Boramas said,
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"This week, IGN reports, via unnamed sources"....basically meaning its bull!!!


A rumor is better than nothing... or am i missing something?

If Wii U is only marginally more powerful than the current xbox, and new xbox is six times as powerfull as the current one, how do you get only 20% increase over Wii U? Does that mean Wii U is actually much more powerful than previously reported? Not that it matters to me, just saying..

[quote=markizvonschnitzel said,]If Wii U is only marginally more powerful than the current xbox, and new xbox is six times as powerfull as the current one, how do you get only 20% increase over Wii U? quote]

well i havent heard much on the wii U, but i doubt it is going to be THAT powerful. xD
i was wondering where the 20% lower came from .

the Xbox gpu is not that great... its running no aa no af at less than 720p upscaled by the Xbox. People see it look good because its one of the best out there and people don't know other than ps3 and Xbox 360, they see wii, and laught but play it anyway because it have mario and Zelda

ryoohki said,
the Xbox gpu is not that great... its running no aa no af at less than 720p upscaled by the Xbox. People see it look good because its one of the best out there and people don't know other than ps3 and Xbox 360, they see wii, and laught but play it anyway because it have mario and Zelda

To be fair, it does no AA on the GPU because the scaling chip essentially gives it "free" AA. You might argue that the AA isn't as good, but most people won't notice the difference. As for the resolution, it's arguable that better graphics with a dip in resolution (made up for with some AA - remember, it's free!) is preferable to poorer graphics with less jaggies.

If I had my way, I'd have the next gen be 720p minimum, but I wouldn't push for 1080p. I'd also prefer 60FPS to 30, but that'll literally halve the graphical quality.

Kushan said,

If I had my way, I'd have the next gen be 720p minimum, but I wouldn't push for 1080p. I'd also prefer 60FPS to 30, but that'll literally halve the graphical quality.

Is the framerate not down to the developer to decide? They'll set themselves an average target framerate to hit and try to stick to it I think...

Kushan said,

To be fair, it does no AA on the GPU because the scaling chip essentially gives it "free" AA. You might argue that the AA isn't as good, but most people won't notice the difference. As for the resolution, it's arguable that better graphics with a dip in resolution (made up for with some AA - remember, it's free!) is preferable to poorer graphics with less jaggies.

If I had my way, I'd have the next gen be 720p minimum, but I wouldn't push for 1080p. I'd also prefer 60FPS to 30, but that'll literally halve the graphical quality.

So you want the next gen to be about 25% more powerful only? I guess I'll cut the losses and take the 600%.

Surely it does not matter what the GPU is capable of doing in your PC, it is going to be in an Xbox dedicated, just look at what they do today with whats in there ...

Its like a peeing contest, the PS3 had 7 cores ... bla bla bla, how many get used?

They could say they were going to put the best yet in there, and in 10 years it would suck, all that is important is that it does a good job when implemented and can last 5-10 years.

Why not use a amd apu then? By the end of 2013 they'll be even more effencient. They can already run games are 1650x900 at better setting than xbox360 games with the same game and that's on PC....

If this is true indeed, it is dissapointing. Very dissapointing, as a matter of fact. The "raw" power leap is much more minimal than expected.

There's to hoping this is just false rumors.

It's hardly minimal when put into perspective. Something like 6 times the power of a Wii is minimal, but something 6 times the power of a 360...? Imagine Gears of War, but with 6 times more power to play with? That's still something to get excited about.

Edited by ~Johnny, Jan 25 2012, 1:12pm :


Well that's corporate crap, you loose 2.5 time on running the same game at 1080p because Xbox doesn't even run most games at 720p since about 2 years it been a weird resolution like 600p witch doesn't exits lol

~Johnny said,
It's hardly minimal when put into perspective. Something like 6 times the power of a Wii is minimal, but something 6 times the power of a 360...? Imagine Gears of War, but with 6 times more power to play with? That's still something to get excited about.

Sure but if you follow Moores law then by the end of 2013 the next xbox should be at least 16 times as powerful. And that's if computational power doubled every 2 years when in fact moores law states every 18 months.

M4x1mus said,

Sure but if you follow Moores law then by the end of 2013 the next xbox should be at least 16 times as powerful. And that's if computational power doubled every 2 years when in fact moores law states every 18 months.

Moore's law has nothing to do with what graphics processor they CHOOSE to include with their next gen console. Let's remember that this is only part of the story too, there's still the CPU to consider but as far as graphics go, the GPU is very important.

If true, that would be a major fail... the new XBox should be at least 10 times as powerful (latest gen 7XXX GPU chip) as the old one to make significant quality difference.

This hardware has to last for next 10 years...

kaczula said,
If true, that would be a major fail... the new XBox should be at least 10 times as powerful (latest gen 7XXX GPU chip) as the old one to make significant quality difference.

This hardware has to last for next 10 years...

If they can make the update both desirable (in terms of graphics upgrades) yet more affordable (which is surely would be with the 6670) they could have a much shorter release period because they'll make more profit margin on it from the launch date.

Mark said,

If they can make the update both desirable (in terms of graphics upgrades) yet more affordable (which is surely would be with the 6670) they could have a much shorter release period because they'll make more profit margin on it from the launch date.

That works fine when you're competing with yourself but when Sony come along with the PS4 a year later and it has a ridiculously powerful GPU they aren't going to be in a particularly good position.

mad_onion said,

That works fine when you're competing with yourself but when Sony come along with the PS4 a year later and it has a ridiculously powerful GPU they aren't going to be in a particularly good position.

Not necessarily true, if they can keep the next gen xbox close to it's current price and the PS4 is near $500 as the ps3 was on release yet the games on the xbox only look a little worse (as they do now on the whole) then I believe the xbox would do much better in terms of sales.

mad_onion said,

That works fine when you're competing with yourself but when Sony come along with the PS4 a year later and it has a ridiculously powerful GPU they aren't going to be in a particularly good position.

LOOOL. Sony will cram in a million poorly tied together chips. It will be a bitch to program for and even though, it will be "more powerful" (according to Sony), the Xbox will still look WAY better. Sony NEVER learns from the past.

ahhell said,

LOOOL. Sony will cram in a million poorly tied together chips. It will be a bitch to program for and even though, it will be "more powerful" (according to Sony), the Xbox will still look WAY better. Sony NEVER learns from the past.

IIRC the new PS will use a similar structure as the PS3, so it should be easier to code for considering people got experience doing so.

I know that one of the benefits of a fixed-hardware platform is better graphics with inferior hardware. But damn... I'm surprised that the specs will be close to the Radeon HD 6670. My Radeon HD 4870 is almost as powerful as two Radeon HD 6670s. I hope this means it'll be cheaper than the Xbox 360's launch price.

I agree it's surprising what they can do with fixed hardware, look at how they keep pumping out games where they somehow still look that little bit better every time.

Then consider although the 6670 is no powerhouse, it is MUCH more powerful than the 360's current graphics capabilities with DX11 stuff thrown into the mix like hardware tessellation and such, I think we're going to see some very impressive stuff on MS's new console.

Mark said,
I agree it's surprising what they can do with fixed hardware, look at how they keep pumping out games where they somehow still look that little bit better every time.

Then consider although the 6670 is no powerhouse, it is MUCH more powerful than the 360's current graphics capabilities with DX11 stuff thrown into the mix like hardware tessellation and such, I think we're going to see some very impressive stuff on MS's new console.

Relatively speaking, yes... it's definitely more powerful than the Xbox 360's GPU. However, it's not what I expected at all. When the Xbox 360 launched, its GPU (Xenos) was as powerful as a high-end Radeon X1800 series video card. And If I remember correctly, ATI released the Radeon X1000 series a month before the release of the Xbox 360. In terms of technology, the Xenos GPU featured a unified shader architecture which wasn't introduced in the PC world until the release of the Radeon HD 2900 XT in May 2007. That's a year and a half after the release of the Xbox 360 in November 2005.

I don't think it's a good idea for Microsoft to use an entry-level GPU that was released in February 2011. If the next-gen Xbox is released near the end of 2013, then it would be using a GPU that's almost three years old. And one that wasn't intended for gaming but instead, for HD media playback.

Microsoft still has time to make changes so there's still hope. I think it would be better if they used a Radeon HD 6770 or HD 6790 GPU. I have a feeling that will be the case once the specs of Sony's PS4 are released.

Edited by Yusuf M., Jan 25 2012, 2:10pm :

Mark said,
I agree it's surprising what they can do with fixed hardware, look at how they keep pumping out games where they somehow still look that little bit better every time.

Then consider although the 6670 is no powerhouse, it is MUCH more powerful than the 360's current graphics capabilities with DX11 stuff thrown into the mix like hardware tessellation and such, I think we're going to see some very impressive stuff on MS's new console.

Agreed. It always amazes me what they are able to do with the hardware even years after it has come out and is very dated. This will be no different.

They can't really call it the Xbox 720 because that would suggest it will run in 720p only. They should just call it "Xbox360 2", or if they want to be true to Microsoft's traditions, "Windows Games Console 8.5"

sam232 said,
They can't really call it the Xbox 720 because that would suggest it will run in 720p only. They should just call it "Xbox360 2", or if they want to be true to Microsoft's traditions, "Windows Games Console 8.5"

no that would be Microsoft Windows Game Console System Live Ultimate Gaming Edition 3

sam232 said,
They can't really call it the Xbox 720 because that would suggest it will run in 720p only. They should just call it "Xbox360 2", or if they want to be true to Microsoft's traditions, "Windows Games Console 8.5"

its clearly not just a games console anymore.

this is a load of rubbish anyway, usual bull**** rumors... not FACTS!

sam232 said,
They can't really call it the Xbox 720 because that would suggest it will run in 720p only. They should just call it "Xbox360 2", or if they want to be true to Microsoft's traditions, "Windows Games Console 8.5"

How about Xbox Metro? Or Xbox Tile?

sam232 said,
They can't really call it the Xbox 720 because that would suggest it will run in 720p only. They should just call it "Xbox360 2", or if they want to be true to Microsoft's traditions, "Windows Games Console 8.5"

Yeah, it will be very interesting to see what they do end up calling it.

neufuse said,

no that would be Microsoft Windows Game Console System Live Ultimate Gaming Edition 3


I phased out after reading that

sam232 said,
They can't really call it the Xbox 720 because that would suggest it will run in 720p only. They should just call it "Xbox360 2", or if they want to be true to Microsoft's traditions, "Windows Games Console 8.5"
Keep it simple: Xbox 362

Yes, let's upgrade our console in 2-3 years to a card that was mediocre a year ago. At least consoles of 05-06 had the decency to be relatively with the times.

360 is expected to last until 2015. Since when does hardware have a 10 year lifespan ANYWHERE in the IT industry?

Reacon said,
Yes, let's upgrade our console in 2-3 years to a card that was mediocre a year ago. At least consoles of 05-06 had the decency to be relatively with the times.

360 is expected to last until 2015. Since when does hardware have a 10 year lifespan ANYWHERE in the IT industry?

Judging by how well the 360 continues to sell, I'd wager nobody cares.

AFineFrenzy said,

Judging by how well the 360 continues to sell, I'd wager nobody cares.

True, and that's why consoles are holding back gaming.

Wolfbane said,
True, and that's why consoles are holding back gaming.

probably true, but... i see that as a good thing in a way as then your PC ain't outdated to quickly when it comes to gaming as once these new consoles come out odds are most of the good gaming PC's of the last handful of years will be ancient not to much after those are out unlike now where anything not to old can still have decent frame rates on all of the latest games.

Reacon said,
Yes, let's upgrade our console in 2-3 years to a card that was mediocre a year ago. At least consoles of 05-06 had the decency to be relatively with the times.

360 is expected to last until 2015. Since when does hardware have a 10 year lifespan ANYWHERE in the IT industry?

This is all rumour, don't forget. Considering that Microsoft won't be sure of the final specs until August, I'd say that even if this were 100% true, it's still likely to change - however in saying that, I don't believe this rumour at all.

Reacon said,
Yes, let's upgrade our console in 2-3 years to a card that was mediocre a year ago. At least consoles of 05-06 had the decency to be relatively with the times.

360 is expected to last until 2015. Since when does hardware have a 10 year lifespan ANYWHERE in the IT industry?

Yeah, but with a console, game developers are able to get better performance as they know what they're targeting. It's very different from a PC...

Reacon said,
Yes, let's upgrade our console in 2-3 years to a card that was mediocre a year ago. At least consoles of 05-06 had the decency to be relatively with the times.

360 is expected to last until 2015. Since when does hardware have a 10 year lifespan ANYWHERE in the IT industry?

As I predicted, people will be "underwhelmed" by the Xbox Next spec. Then again, what these people don't realise is that the 360 is pulling off Crysis 2 at 720p using nothing more then an HD2000 series GPU and an extremely antiquated tri-core processor - a processor that was released a whole 2 years before AMD showed off the world's first quad core x86 processor.

So if it can do that, on hardware that's ancient, having a hexa-core processor with an HD 6670-equivalent on board will yield fantastic results.

The Teej said,

As I predicted, people will be "underwhelmed" by the Xbox Next spec. Then again, what these people don't realise is that the 360 is pulling off Crysis 2 at 720p using nothing more then an HD2000 series GPU and an extremely antiquated tri-core processor - a processor that was released a whole 2 years before AMD showed off the world's first quad core x86 processor.

So if it can do that, on hardware that's ancient, having a hexa-core processor with an HD 6670-equivalent on board will yield fantastic results.

Exactly. People can't seem to get over the fact that a gaming console works completely different than a PC. It's sad that it's such a hard concept for a lot of people.

Astra.Xtreme said,
Exactly. People can't seem to get over the fact that a gaming console works completely different than a PC. It's sad that it's such a hard concept for a lot of people.

Not 'completely differently', just potentially a hell of a lot more efficiently.

Maysky said,
Similar to 6670? 20% faster than Wii U? Console specs unveiling used to be exciting to see.

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It's because back in the days consoles were not PC with a modded case ...

It was a different world and a different culture. Now it's fps galore.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Exactly. People can't seem to get over the fact that a gaming console works completely different than a PC. It's sad that it's such a hard concept for a lot of people.

Developers may still be able to get a decent FPS out of consoles, but the graphics are always far better on a PC.

Wolfbane said,
Developers may still be able to get a decent FPS out of consoles, but the graphics are always far better on a PC.

Actually if you take the same GPU and run it in a console and a PC, the console will run it much much better. The reason PCs are always so far ahead is because a new GPU is released damn near every week. A PC is already at an advantage after the first week of the console's development.

The Teej said,

As I predicted, people will be "underwhelmed" by the Xbox Next spec. Then again, what these people don't realise is that the 360 is pulling off Crysis 2 at 720p using nothing more then an HD2000 series GPU and an extremely antiquated tri-core processor - a processor that was released a whole 2 years before AMD showed off the world's first quad core x86 processor.

So if it can do that, on hardware that's ancient, having a hexa-core processor with an HD 6670-equivalent on board will yield fantastic results.

Very true, however, the games have to be optimized heavily compared to the PC versions, graphics quality has to be lowered tremendously and even then you only get 30fps and below. All of the COD games HAVE to run at 60fps stable and are heavily optimized the same way.

Play Left 4 Dead 2 in split-screen co-op and you'll see it lag baaadddd.