Rumor: Samsung planning to drop Windows Phone in 2012

This ones a bit confusing for everyone involved; SamFirmware, a group that releases Samsung ROMs for various phones has tweeted that they believe the company will stop manufacturing Windows Phones at the end of 2012.

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that it's odd considering how well Samsung devices have done sporting Windows Phone 7. It's possible Samsung is planning on focusing on Android instead of so many platforms, but this doesn't seem very likely considering how many legal battles are taking place over Android right now. It's possible that Samsung wants to pursue their own mobile OS -- Bada -- further, and believes that they can only do this by focusing on the one platform.

Either way, this rumor is extremely strange, considering that it predicts the company will drop phones over a year and a half from now. That's pretty long term, and if some analysts guesses are right about Windows Phone 7's growth, Samsung may just change their tune anyway.

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Have you actually tried WP7? Given it a fair chance? It really is a nice departure from gimmicky interfaces and is so fricken responsive. Google and Crapple are locked in a fierce battle to copy as much from each other as possible. The thing Microsoft is finally doing really well is ignoring others and doing its own thing. I think windows 8's arm support will change the situation. I can see windows 8 making its way onto smart phones by midway through its life cycle, maybe even earlier.

I really hope by next year all phone manufacturers that support Android drop WP7 for two reasons.

1) Nokia (no reason to explain why)
2) Microsoft hits most of these manufacturers on Android why not retaliate and stop making WP7. It's not like WP7 phones are selling well in any way shape or form. So focus your efforts to what makes you the most money and get updates out faster to Android?

UndergroundWire said,
I really hope by next year all phone manufacturers that support Android drop WP7 for two reasons.

1) Nokia (no reason to explain why)
2) Microsoft hits most of these manufacturers on Android why not retaliate and stop making WP7. It's not like WP7 phones are selling well in any way shape or form. So focus your efforts to what makes you the most money and get updates out faster to Android?


I was waiting for the first juvenile pro Android comment. Thanks for not disappointing... LOL

M_Lyons10 said,

I was waiting for the first juvenile pro Android comment. Thanks for not disappointing... LOL

It;s not juvenile, If everything I wrote is true. Oh never mind. It's because it's true that makes it juvenile. Truth sometimes hurts and you are trying to hurt me back. I see your point. WP7 is not selling well, and Microsoft hits most of the manufacturers on using Android. Also Nokia is coming soon and they are going to distinguish themselves from all the other manufacturers. Why wouldn't they pull out and focus on Android? Especially in the update department.

UndergroundWire said,
I really hope by next year all phone manufacturers that support Android drop WP7 for two reasons.

1) Nokia (no reason to explain why)
2) Microsoft hits most of these manufacturers on Android why not retaliate and stop making WP7. It's not like WP7 phones are selling well in any way shape or form. So focus your efforts to what makes you the most money and get updates out faster to Android?

I think it's more likely they'll drop Android for fear of being sued by Apple.

We get it, you love Android and hate anything that isn't.

neo158 said,

I think it's more likely they'll drop Android for fear of being sued by Apple.

We get it, you love Android and hate anything that isn't.

Google has already proved that they will fight for HTC. Why would they want to drop Android if it's making them a lot of money?

I get it mostly everyone on this forum thinks WP7 is the greatest thing since sliced bread but in reality it's not.

UndergroundWire said,

Google has already proved that they will fight for HTC. Why would they want to drop Android if it's making them a lot of money?

I get it mostly everyone on this forum thinks WP7 is the greatest thing since sliced bread but in reality it's not.

Yeah, good for HTC, but the news story is about Samsung. Why would Samsung be releasing the Focus S and the Focus Flash on AT&T if they weren't commited to Windows Phone?

I stand by this comment I made earlier, you love Android and hate anything that isn't.

neo158 said,

Yeah, good for HTC, but the news story is about Samsung. Why would Samsung be releasing the Focus S and the Focus Flash on AT&T if they weren't commited to Windows Phone?

I stand by this comment I made earlier, you love Android and hate anything that isn't.

Cool we are agreed then. You stand by your statement and I'll stand by mine.

It's a bit early to be projecting what Samsung is going to do 12 months from now. I don't think even Samsung know what they will be doing in 12 months from now with regards to Windows Phone. I mean sure they have a roadmap no question but roadmaps change and they could release a phone in 3 months from now that sells like hotcakes and makes them decide to release more phones off the back of that success.

Having said that, I think Windows Phone 7 is a failure. Just my opinion of course.

Try it! Every single person i know that has tried windows phone 7 loves it. Its only a failure due to the media, its not a crap phone OS by any means. Anyways, Microsoft will keep fighting for this space. Windows 8 will run on phones smoothly within 1-2 years based on the rate of development.

Iridium said,
Try it! Every single person i know that has tried windows phone 7 loves it. Its only a failure due to the media, its not a crap phone OS by any means. Anyways, Microsoft will keep fighting for this space. Windows 8 will run on phones smoothly within 1-2 years based on the rate of development.

Not true: I have it, Mango build, and I am not really satisfied. W8 could, and I hope it will, e bdifferent but stating that everybody who have a WP7 device love it is just hyperbole as well as stating that the OS is dead.

Fritzly said,

Not true: I have it, Mango build, and I am not really satisfied. W8 could, and I hope it will, e bdifferent but stating that everybody who have a WP7 device love it is just hyperbole as well as stating that the OS is dead.


Care to elaborate? I hear this from time to time from people that allegedly use the OS, but they never specify what they are missing, and if by chance they do, it's very rarely anything of any significance...

Iridium said,
Try it! Every single person i know that has tried windows phone 7 loves it. Its only a failure due to the media, its not a crap phone OS by any means. Anyways, Microsoft will keep fighting for this space. Windows 8 will run on phones smoothly within 1-2 years based on the rate of development.

Having spent a week with a Mango device so far, and contrasting that with my year or so with Android and several years with WM before that, I can safely say that, for the moment, WP is a bit of a damp squib for me.

1. Lack of USB Storage capability
2. Lack of useable turn by turn navigation
3. Lack of a global search (really, pressing search just searches the web? Weak...
4. Little diversity in device specs
5. Dreadful video format support, have to convert pretty much EVERYthing!
6. The $99 fee to developer unlock, even though I don't really want to release anything I just want to play, is a total non-starter for me.
7. The speed of the OS. OK, it's smooth and fast and Android can lag sometimes, but take some perspective there. Compared to the complex widgets available on Android, the UI is doing pretty much NOTHING.
8. Considering it's not actually doing a great deal compared to Android, battery life on this thing is dreadful. I've yet to get more than a day out of it so far.

It has some good points, but for now at least, it's just not mature enough for my needs.

M_Lyons10 said,

Care to elaborate? I hear this from time to time from people that allegedly use the OS, but they never specify what they are missing, and if by chance they do, it's very rarely anything of any significance...

First at all "Significance" is very subjective: for example I could not care less for Xbox and FB integration, for other people the same could be of high relevance.
Said that for these are some of the things I do not like in WP7:

Unable to make a backup of what I want to backup, when I want to do it.

Appointments entered in Outlook show up in WP7 calendar for around two weeks; no way to change it.

No way, even using third party app to backup SMS

I totally disregard the emphasys of Cloud sync; I need desktop sync. Besides many, obvious practical resons I do not seewhy I have to sponsor carriers.

No removable storage.

After one year from OS release even Mango does not allow the use of alphanumeric PW.

When entering your PW the numbers you push on the keyboard are highlighted; the Tablet XP OS had this issue when first released but it was fixed witin three months. Yes Gates and not bean counters were in charge of MS at the time.

Lack of ability to quickly and easily transfer a document from my desktop to the phone. Worksaround exist but the are awkward and should not be needed.

No support for "Category" in appointments and tasks.

I will try to comeback later and add more; I have to go to the office now.

Fritzly said,

First at all "Significance" is very subjective: for example I could not care less for Xbox and FB integration, for other people the same could be of high relevance.
Said that for these are some of the things I do not like in WP7:

Unable to make a backup of what I want to backup, when I want to do it.

Appointments entered in Outlook show up in WP7 calendar for around two weeks; no way to change it.

No way, even using third party app to backup SMS

I totally disregard the emphasys of Cloud sync; I need desktop sync. Besides many, obvious practical resons I do not seewhy I have to sponsor carriers.

No removable storage.

After one year from OS release even Mango does not allow the use of alphanumeric PW.

When entering your PW the numbers you push on the keyboard are highlighted; the Tablet XP OS had this issue when first released but it was fixed witin three months. Yes Gates and not bean counters were in charge of MS at the time.

Lack of ability to quickly and easily transfer a document from my desktop to the phone. Worksaround exist but the are awkward and should not be needed.

No support for "Category" in appointments and tasks.

I will try to comeback later and add more; I have to go to the office now.

Isn't it funny, the only people complaining about missing features are business users!!!

I would have thought that with those "missing features" you would have guessed that WP7 isn't for you and use something else if you're looking for business features, like WM6.5, Android or iOS. Most of those things you listed are business features that aren't reqired by the target market which is why WM didn't gain ground with consumers.

Microsoft aren't targeting business users with WP7 anyway, why do you think that Xbox and FB integration play a big part in WP7.

Edited by neo158, Sep 12 2011, 11:09am :

neo158 said,

Isn't it funny, the only people complaining about missing features are business users!!!

I would have thought that with those "missing features" you would have guessed that WP7 isn't for you and use something else if you're looking for business features, like WM6.5, Android or iOS. Most of those things you listed are business features that aren't reqired by the target market which is why WM didn't gain ground with consumers.

Microsoft aren't targeting business users with WP7 anyway, why do you think that Xbox and FB integration play a big part in WP7.

Nice try but.....Either way you are wrong or MS is wasting a lot money advertising WP7 as a phone for business users. if they were not targeting business users why add office to the OS and heavily advertising business related features.
You might also want to spend some times reading MS financial report to stockholders and verify where the biggest profits come from. MS cannot afford to leave the "third" screen to other player, no way.

Finally it is not true that WM did not appeal "casual consumers", actually the opposite..... until MS stopped developing the OS, iPhone appeared and Android followed.

I have been using MS powered smartphones since Motorola MPX 200, MS powered PDA since the Casio Cassiopeia E-11 and PDA in general since the Casio PF-3000 in 1983 and a Casio PF-8000 another early PDA....... with, guess what? A touch screen in 1984!!!!

My point with this short cronology is that I am not a MS haters, actually the contrary, but, at the same time, I am not a blind worshipper compelled to justify everything MS does.

Fritzly said,

Nice try but.....Either way you are wrong or MS is wasting a lot money advertising WP7 as a phone for business users. if they were not targeting business users why add office to the OS and heavily advertising business related features.
You might also want to spend some times reading MS financial report to stockholders and verify where the biggest profits come from. MS cannot afford to leave the "third" screen to other player, no way.

Finally it is not true that WM did not appeal "casual consumers", actually the opposite..... until MS stopped developing the OS, iPhone appeared and Android followed.

I have been using MS powered smartphones since Motorola MPX 200, MS powered PDA since the Casio Cassiopeia E-11 and PDA in general since the Casio PF-3000 in 1983 and a Casio PF-8000 another early PDA....... with, guess what? A touch screen in 1984!!!!

My point with this short cronology is that I am not a MS haters, actually the contrary, but, at the same time, I am not a blind worshipper compelled to justify everything MS does.

Either way I'M wrong, I don't think so!!!

So only Business Users use Office?

Heavily advertised business related features, don't make me laugh. You might want to spend some time looking at the adverts again, as not one of them shows off any business features at all.

The fact is the only people complaining are the people who bought a Windows Phone without fully researching it, now they're complaining it doesn't have the features they want.

So the comment still stands, Microsoft are not targeting business users with WP7.

Edited by neo158, Sep 12 2011, 2:35pm :

Fritzly said,
....

All valid points.
In redesigning the phone, some concessions had to be made.
The design changes to the OS going forward downplay the mundane tasks that you seem to enjoy, in favor of automagic cloud technologies.

While it's true that your concerns are valid, this is a new breed of phone of a new age of work, where your mundane tasks become unnecessary.


I agree MS have work to do to satisfy individuals in your category. Either market to you in a way where you realize you don't have to waste your time doing repetitive tasks, or enable you to perform repetitive tasks with your device, like backup and destkop sync, etc.


hey are however focused on business with Windows Phone 7.5. Once Mango is released, we will see Lync and CRM2011 and a whole host of other line of business apps come to market.

As we speak many vertical software companies are prepping Mango generation software to take advantage of this as a business platform.

Fritzly said

Valid points. To be honest I was expecting more of "It doesn't do custome ringtones!"... Which I know is in Mango...

I know that Microsoft is trying to add business features into the OS, and I'm waiting for some too, like VPN support. For transferring files I email them to my phone, and find this easier than the syncs I used to do on WinMo. I'm confident though that they'll keep adding features for consumers and for busness. They are very committed to the platform.

neo158 said,

Either way I'M wrong, I don't think so!!!

So only Business Users use Office?

Heavily advertised business related features, don't make me laugh. You might want to spend some time looking at the adverts again, as not one of them shows off any business features at all.

The fact is the only people complaining are the people who bought a Windows Phone without fully researching it, now they're complaining it doesn't have the features they want.

So the comment still stands, Microsoft are not targeting business users with WP7.

I am not wasting both mine and other people time to reply to your silly, innuendo about buying a device without researching it first.

You are free to buy and use Office to check emails or write some letters and memo, as well as to spend $3,000 to buy a gaming computer to perform the above mentioned tasks. Said that Yes people who buy and use Office software do it mainly for business related tasks.

As for your statements "still standing" you are free to enjoy your private World, no problem here.

Finally, and again I do not want to crash your Nirvana, you are the one that may need to make some researches about what MS advertises WP7 for:

http://www.microsoft.com/windo...tures/business/default.aspx

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Edited by Fritzly, Sep 12 2011, 4:22pm :

Iridium said,
Try it! Every single person i know that has tried windows phone 7 loves it. Its only a failure due to the media, its not a crap phone OS by any means. Anyways, Microsoft will keep fighting for this space. Windows 8 will run on phones smoothly within 1-2 years based on the rate of development.

I have tried it. And I don't like it at all. It feels basic and nothing but a cheap alternative to the better operating systems available on the market such as iOS and Android. Again just my own opinion I'm not speaking for anyone else.

KavazovAngel said,
Neowin, seriously? Really desperate after those hits? Posting crap that some 3rd party idiot tweeted?

These guys have been right about other things, too.

KavazovAngel said,
Neowin, seriously? Really desperate after those hits? Posting crap that some 3rd party idiot tweeted?

Don't blame Neowin, worse rumors have been posted...cough iPhone rumors cough...

A little too early to abandon ship IMO, but I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled out early. WMP isn't exactly flying off the shelves.

andrewbares said,

Hopefully Nokia will be making the best ones now!

This should not be an excuse for Nokia to lower the bar on quality for their Windows Phones...but it probably will end up doing that. If they see that they sell the most Windows Phones, then they will make their hardware less competitive...

The only reason I liked Samsung was because of the Super AMOLED screen... I don't wanna go back to the LCD crap HTC keeps pushing out...

Sionic Ion said,

The only reason I liked Samsung was because of the Super AMOLED screen... I don't wanna go back to the LCD crap HTC keeps pushing out...

Nokia's current smartphone lineup has AMOLED screen. If the screen is all you care about, you are covered.

day2die said,

Nokia's current smartphone lineup has AMOLED screen. If the screen is all you care about, you are covered.

Yeh but regular AMOLED screens can't really stand up to Samsung's Super AMOLED displays...especially the new Super AMOLED Plus displays.

Tom W said,
Total bull**** in my opinion.

And in mine too. I just posted this in comments on another article, but I think it's worth repeating:

'WMPowerUser.com also reported on SamFirmware's tweets, suggesting that reports of the Omnia W (which we reported on here a few weeks ago in a roadmap article, but which was then officially refuted by Samsung), which claimed that that phone would have a 3.7" screen and some pretty unremarkable specs, supported the rumour that Samsung has effectively given up on WP and would instead focus exclusively on Android and boosting its Bada efforts in the future.

In my opinion, very little about that rumour makes sense - Samsung hasn't had any chance to see what effect the MotoGoog deal might have on the Android ecosystem and its relationship with Google; its Windows Phone handsets are well regarded (in spite of the firmware issues that Samsung created and dragged their feet in resolving); and most independent analysts believe that Windows Phone will take off in a big way over the next 24-36 months.

All in all, seems like a pretty odd time for Samsung to have already made the decision to abandon Windows Phone, so I'll be taking those rumours with a fistful of salt for now.'

Tom W said,
Total bull**** in my opinion.

Agreed. I don't buy it at all. And from a source that, best I can tell, has no ties to Samsung? What a joke. LOL

Either way, this rumor is extremely strange, considering that it predicts the company will drop phones over two years from now.

It's one year from now >_>

Too bad. The Focus is the best phone in the lineup in my opinion. Solid piece of hardware. So this is a shame if true.

Either way, this rumor is extremely strange, considering that it predicts the company will drop phones over two years from now

What year do you think it is exactly?

rev23dev said,
The Focus is the best phone in the lineup in my opinion.

In the US maybe, in Europe the Omnia 7 is defiantly the best device…

Oh god, samfirmware must be laughing his ass off right about now. This is his retaliation against XDA because they closed his thread for advertising his site.

Samsung android devices are being banned left and right, bada is clone from android that doesn't have an ecosystem behind it. Samsung would be insane to do so.

All samfirmware want was dls of his rom for ads revenue and now he got a little more traffic for this ridiculous conclusion.

flexkeyboard said,
Oh god, samfirmware must be laughing his ass off right about now. This is his retaliation against XDA because they closed his thread for advertising his site.

Samsung android devices are being banned left and right, bada is clone from android that doesn't have an ecosystem behind it. Samsung would be insane to do so.

All samfirmware want was dls of his rom for ads revenue and now he got a little more traffic for this ridiculous conclusion.


Sounds like you're probably right. This whole rumor makes no sense. He probably finds this hilarious that tech sites even picked this up.