Rumor: Tuesday's Surface software update "important" for its "next step"?

On Tuesday, Microsoft will issue its last scheduled software update of 2012 for its PC products via its regular monthly "Patch Tuesday" event. We have already reported that it will contain a number of critical and important security patches for Windows 8, Windows RT and Internet Explorer 10.

Now a new rumor from the infamous and mysterious "MS_nerd" hints strongly that this latest "Patch Tuesday" update will have a lot more than just security upgrades. He used his Twitter account to post this rather cryptic message on Saturday, "This patch Tuesday is going to be important for getting Surface ready for the next step. Some services are going to be updated as well."

"MS_nerd" doesn't go into any details on what he means by "getting Surface ready for the next step". As far as updating some of Microsoft's services, it would seem logical that Skype, SkyDrive, Office 365 and other Microsoft products could get a final feature update this Tuesday to wrap up 2012.

In any case, it's looking like Tuesday could be Microsoft's final big news day for 2012 in terms of software upgrades and announcements. We will see if "MS_nerd", who has an up-and-down trend on his rumors turning out to be true, is correct in the very near future.

Source: MS_nerd on Twitter

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i hope its really an important and most useful update. it hurts to see the negative press. im quite sure the surface is better than it is perceived by many. ah well, way to go for microsoft anyways.

djepi said,
x86 emulation? Nah... but how amazing would that be.
It would be pretty amazing, particularly because x86 is more processing intensive than ARM. The reverse is far more realistic.

pickypg said,
It would be pretty amazing, particularly because x86 is more processing intensive than ARM. The reverse is far more realistic.
The reverse is already being done - if I am not mistaken, Android SDK emulates the ARM CPUs on x86 (you can select the processor to emulate when you create an android vm)

djepi said,
x86 emulation? Nah... but how amazing would that be.

MS could have done that from the start but it would be crap. Emulation always takes a performance hit and seriously lowers battery life, which is why RT don't have it.

1Pixel said,

MS could have done that from the start but it would be crap. Emulation always takes a performance hit and seriously lowers battery life, which is why RT don't have it.

Yeah, what MS decided to do in the end is the better option though it means Windows RT loses the desktop app support in the process. It's much better to build on the new WinRT API and get ARM and x86 support for your apps. If the future pans out how I think then we'll see the desktop support running WinRT apps on it just like they were Win32 apps. At that point and with WinRT maturing more, we could see bigger traditional desktop apps that are coded with it instead of Win32.

The other thing is that we could reach a point in a few years where ARM SoCs have the raw power to actually emulate x86 apps, but out of the two I think it's much more likely that the first will take place before the second has a chance to.

georgevella said,
The reverse is already being done - if I am not mistaken, Android SDK emulates the ARM CPUs on x86 (you can select the processor to emulate when you create an android vm)
You are correct, and it's done for the iOS and Windows Phone SDK's as well. However, no one is doing it with the intent that you would actually use that akin to VMWare or something similar. They are merely for testing out your software without putting it onto the device first.

ARM processors are significantly weaker than their x86 peers. Emulating something that expects something more powerful is generally going to end poorly. In a few years, ARM will likely approach speeds closer to x86, particularly as x86 designers (Intel/AMD) focus more on dropping power requirements, but ARM will likely be facing a much fiercer competitor by then, with x86 chips that can legitimately be put into phones and tablets without destroying their battery's.

Edited by pickypg, Dec 10 2012, 2:07am :

francescob said,
Finally! I couldn't wait to run NeXTSTEP on it!

Don't know what's worse. This obviously failed attempt at trolling or the fact ANYONE is excited to run NeXTSTEP on anything

Do you even know what trolling is? It was simply a title-related joke.

"Rumor: Tuesday's Surface software update "important" for its "next step"?"

francescob said,
Do you even know what trolling is? It was simply a title-related joke.

"Rumor: Tuesday's Surface software update "important" for its "next step"?"

I think he just missed the joke. I know I missed it initially.

When it runs well, it runs amazingly smooth and fast.
But there are just one or two times per day where switching an app lags for a split-second. Nothing huge at all, just something I hope they fix.

Other than that, I really love mine. With the surface and my yoga 13, I haven't given my ipad a second look.

aviator189 said,
When it runs well, it runs amazingly smooth and fast.
But there are just one or two times per day where switching an app lags for a split-second. Nothing huge at all, just something I hope they fix.

Mine pauses a lot more than that. That being said, it's nothing I can't live with. I see longer pauses on the iPad, but less often.

Other than that, I really love mine. With the surface and my yoga 13, I haven't given my ipad a second look.

Think of it as an consumer device, or on the most optimistic of levels, an auxiliary device for business use. This sets realistic expectation levels.

I hope this is true. Surface Rt really needs some performance updates and updates to the preloaded apps such as music, video, messaging, people, etc...

Lagrik said,
I hope this is true. Surface Rt really needs some performance updates and updates to the preloaded apps such as music, video, messaging, people, etc...

Don't the preloaded apps get updated through the Store? So they wouldn't be part of an update Tuesday...

M_Lyons10 said,
Don't the preloaded apps get updated through the Store? So they wouldn't be part of an update Tuesday...

Correct. I would expect any core (windows runtime ) updates via windows update. The apps themselves can be updated, in a so called out-of-band fashion via the Store when they're ready.

Silver47 said,
could office drop the preview banner?

It already did with a day one update. Office 2013 isn't available to the general public yet though, probably not until February, but it already RTM'ed in early October.

dagamer34 said,

It already did with a day one update. Office 2013 isn't available to the general public yet though, probably not until February, but it already RTM'ed in early October.

That points out a problem I had with Surface.

The Modern UI Windows Update doesn't list the Office update.

You have to go into the desktop, control panel and run that Windows Update. Not automatic.

I guarantee you people with Surface are still running the Office preview version because there is no update for it in the Modern UI and Windows doesn't apply it automatically.

I also think the firmware update may even be the same as well as others. Bizarre and rather daft set up.

WooHoo!!! said,

That points out a problem I had with Surface.

The Modern UI Windows Update doesn't list the Office update.

You have to go into the desktop, control panel and run that Windows Update. Not automatic.

I guarantee you people with Surface are still running the Office preview version because there is no update for it in the Modern UI and Windows doesn't apply it automatically.


Thanks! Microsoft shall be getting a feedback form from me on that glaring omission

What's more is that it doesn't list optional updates in the Modern UI either, yanking you to the desktop to view them... what an odd way to go about things.

It forces the update after a while. I forgot the specific preconditions but it does update automatically.

WooHoo!!! said,

That points out a problem I had with Surface.

The Modern UI Windows Update doesn't list the Office update.

You have to go into the desktop, control panel and run that Windows Update. Not automatic.

I guarantee you people with Surface are still running the Office preview version because there is no update for it in the Modern UI and Windows doesn't apply it automatically.

I also think the firmware update may even be the same as well as others. Bizarre and rather daft set up.

KSib said,
What's more is that it doesn't list optional updates in the Modern UI either, yanking you to the desktop to view them... what an odd way to go about things.

It is an odd omission indeed, but I'm confident that we'll see more and more things from desktop migrated over to modern UI over time.

WooHoo!!! said,
That points out a problem I had with Surface.

The Modern UI Windows Update doesn't list the Office update.

You have to go into the desktop, control panel and run that Windows Update. Not automatic.

I guarantee you people with Surface are still running the Office preview version because there is no update for it in the Modern UI and Windows doesn't apply it automatically.

I also think the firmware update may even be the same as well as others. Bizarre and rather daft set up.

That isn't the only disconnect btw; many of the Metro based applications and win32 counterparts do not share settings between them resulting in having to open up both and change the settings in both. In the case of me I don't want Microsoft 'updating' my music meta data so I've had to go into both Windows Media Player and 'Music' to disable said features. As much as I love Windows 8 I equally think it is a sore spot when there is a lack of sharing settings between two applications that serve the same function.

KSib said,
What's more is that it doesn't list optional updates in the Modern UI either, yanking you to the desktop to view them... what an odd way to go about things.

This. The updates to me are a real mess and example of how haphazard Windows 8 is. If you are replacing the update system, replace it, don't just create two. Same with viewing media, etc.