Rumor: Windows 8 Release Candidate in late May-early June?

The Windows 8 Consumer Preview version has been out for almost a month now but Microsoft is still busy working on the OS in preparation for its next phase, the Release Candidate version. Now a new report claims that it has a time table on when the RC version will be offered to the public.

According to WinUnleaked.tk, via unnamed sources, the Release Candidate version of Windows 8 will be launched by Microsoft sometime in late May or early June. That would seem to be consistent with the other rumors that Microsoft will launch the final version of Windows 8, for both the x86 and ARM processors, sometime in October.

The article also gives some information about what the Release Candidate version of Windows 8 will have in terms of UI changes:

From the UI side, some light changement for the Charm bar, Language input menu, Internet Explorer 10 (Desktop version), a bunch of color set, ect…

It also notes that the Customer Experience Improvement Program feature that allows Windows 8 users to send their opinions about the OS to Microsoft is actually disabled by default. You can see a screenshot of that Improvement Program running in Windows 8 above.

Image via WinUnleaked.tk

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Great news actually. Hopefully they will have more of the drivers\bugs fixed by then (mainly the laptop on board speakers issue many are facing)

Here's hoping they've put a method for creating a default user profile back into the system. Otherwise, I'm recommending to skip it.

As soon as there are more 3rd party Metro apps (firefox/chrome, steam, RSS reader, to name a few useful apps) People will warm to Metro.

I have total lack of interest in this next version window. I remember how much I beta tested Windows 7 and was always craving for the next leak. Well, not this time.

This has to be the first Windows release that I have no interest in at all. I don't get what they are thinking with this release.

You are correct, in the MS doesn't seem to care about desktop or laptop users--both individuals and corporate. But...putting all their eggs in the "personal mobile" market is quite risky. Apple will certainly counterattack, and probably win. They have years of experience in the "personal mobile" marketplace. Then, what is MS going to do about all those desktop and laptop users who were abandoned? Windows-9?

In what ways are the desktop and laptop users are abandoned? If anything, they're adding additional capabilities to desktop/laptop users, especially those who use convertible laptops. You can still use the desktop as in Windows 7 with some changes to the traditional start button and the charm bar. Really, that's is it. Those changes are the only thing that are different. I have been using Windows 8, and honestly, I don't see much issues. I use the start menu maybe 3-5 times in a span of 6 hours for maybe 1-5 seconds each, unless I choose to use a metro app. I can see buying an app for my Windows 8 tablet and that app is automatically synced to my desktop. That sounds awesome to me.

I don't think MS cares about any possible failure on Desktop. They can take another punch. I think they are rushing to get Windows 8 out of door for Phones and Tablets so they finally brag about something which will compete Apple counterpart products. I would stay away from Windows 8 and see how the things turn out few months after. Major OEM suppliers such as Dell, HP and others will have an opportunity with Windows 8 to compete with Apple with whole new series of products, Ultrabooks, Tablets and such. Microsoft is hoping to gain significant market share with Windows 8, and again i don't think they care about Desktops and Laptops at all. They extended Windows 7 support until 2020 knowing that first and perhaps second generation of Metro based operating system wont take any significant meaning as far as PC goes. As far as PM (Personal Mobile) goes if Windows 8 does not succeed there, Microsoft will kill it with passion.

It so very revealing that MS has turned off the "Customer Improvement Program" feature by default. Obviously, MS doesn't seem to give a s*** about what their users have to say. Arrogance at its best!

I'm not sure how this can be construed as "arrogance" considering that most users probably prefer an option to opt-in (i.e. opt-out by default). Plus, they are leaving it off by default probably to test:

1. How many users will turn-it on at installation
2. Which options are turned on, which stay off
3. Are there any bugs with turning it off/on

BUT if you actually read what's being transmitted back to MS, then you'll know it has nothing to do with what the users have to say. All the data for this program is anonymous data that the users can't have any say it in (actually, there's is, to say it should be on or off, for him or her).

Edited by KevinN206, Mar 25 2012, 1:07am :

TsarNikky said,
It so very revealing that MS has turned off the "Customer Improvement Program" feature by default. Obviously, MS doesn't seem to give a s*** about what their users have to say. Arrogance at its best!

Try again. This is a Privacy issue, so rather than bombard their users with dialogs on install, they opt everyone out.
Rest assured there are many scenarios where you will be prompted to enable it shortly after install.

Like the first time an app or application crashes.

texasghost said,
So...it's looking like it's on target for final release in October 2012.

Yes, nothing will stop MS from hitting the 2012 Christmas season with touch devices on Metro.

Even at the expense of alienating the entire 95% of all computer users who use Windows OS on their desktops around the world...

V23 said,
I'm shocked that so many "power users" actually utilised the start menu features apart from search.

I forget where I read it, but contrary to what the "start menu gone, waaah!" people are trying to preach, Microsoft's own telemetry has shown them that the majority of people didn't actually use the All Programs menu on the start menu for launching apps and just used the search function instead. Besides, Windows 8 IS Metro. The desktop is just an appcompat environment for legacy/non-metro apps.. that's why it has a limited UI and no start menu.

TCLN Ryster said,

The desktop is just an appcompat environment for legacy/non-metro apps.. that's why it has a limited UI and no start menu.

I would definitely agree if everything could be handled at the metro stage. But here we go, there are many many things that are desktop dependent that I usually feel that Metro is running over the desktop and not vice-versa.

Jose_49 said,

I would definitely agree if everything could be handled at the metro stage. But here we go, there are many many things that are desktop dependent that I usually feel that Metro is running over the desktop and not vice-versa.

Until you dock a 1/3 Metro app beside the desktop.

dotf said,

Until you dock a 1/3 Metro app beside the desktop.

That's when you really realize that it's not just a layer on top of the traditional desktop.

TCLN Ryster said,

I forget where I read it, but contrary to what the "start menu gone, waaah!" people are trying to preach, Microsoft's own telemetry has shown them that the majority of people didn't actually use the All Programs menu on the start menu for launching apps and just used the search function instead..

No. Power users used search.

MS's own telemetry shows that the VAST majority of typical Windows users (home and business) still click icons on the desktop to run everything from their programs to their documents. Period.

In fact, this was a MAJOR justification internally for turning the desktop into a collection of big square "icons", re: Metro.

And if they hadn't have made the key operating system controls INVISIBLE and counterintuitive, I'd have been 100% in support.

But they're currently planning to cram a TOUCH-based model down the throats of a MOUSE-based world and this is shaping up to be the biggest mistake Microsoft has ever made in the history of the company.

Not getting Win8... win7 works just fine with no issues and I'm sure a SP2 released will have some of its features.

sava700 said,
Not getting Win8... win7 works just fine with no issues and I'm sure a SP2 released will have some of its features.

If you don't "get" Windows 8, then don't "get" Windows 8. Simples

Also, as Neo said... Service Packs don't bring new features in general. They're mainly an update roll-up. There have been a couple of notable exceptions (XP SP2 for example) though.

Can't wait. This will sound stupid as hell on my part.... But when i first installed windows 8 i was looking for the shut-down button ASAP, once i shut-down (about 1min or less of w8 in use) i never bothered to boot it again.

But...... about 4 days ago my notebook needed to be reformatted. I took a chance and installed windows 8 on it.. Yes windows 8 on a notebook its an Acer Ferrari (the Aver one 11.4") so its not strictly a notebook i guess..

Anyway after installing it on the laptop (i use the laptop when in bed, i connect it to a 22" monitor and projector and KB/Mouse and just sit in bed watch movies) I just fell in love with Windows 8

I have still not reinstalled it on my main PC. But now i got used to all the shortcuts after using it on the notebook i can't wait to be using it on main PC again. The only issue i have had with it on notebook is the scrolling can be strange in metro, and some apps wont work (but hey its beta right...)...

Just give Windows 8 a chance it actually does work ok if you get used to it at first i was like ewwwwww metro /puke dont wanna use this crap.. I even downloaded ViStart and that stardock start menu thing ready to use on notebook to ditch metro.. But yeah get used to it and its so much more smooth and easy.

The good news is that Win 7 is the new XP. It will be here and useful for another 5 years or more. I'm movin on up to Win 8. You guys that are staying behind, take care of the rest of them. We'll see you some time in the future.

If Win 8 detects a keyboard and a mouse at installation time it should skip the touch based Metro, give me my Start/Orb back. Corporate users do not want to train their staff, it's expensive. The underlying improvements should be enough to sell it with the above "small" modifications. Listen to your users Microsoft, were the ones who buy your products.

rsrcomp said,
If Win 8 detects a keyboard and a mouse at installation time it should skip the touch based Metro, give me my Start/Orb back. Corporate users do not want to train their staff, it's expensive. The underlying improvements should be enough to sell it with the above "small" modifications. Listen to your users Microsoft, were the ones who buy your products.
This is BS.
"Corporate users" don't have to train their users to use a PC anymore. Users trains at home. Company won't adopt Windows 8 this year. They are only starting to switch to Windows 7, Windows that most people uses at home (it has ~40% market share IIRC.)

rsrcomp said,
If Win 8 detects a keyboard and a mouse at installation time it should skip the touch based Metro, give me my Start/Orb back. Corporate users do not want to train their staff, it's expensive. The underlying improvements should be enough to sell it with the above "small" modifications. Listen to your users Microsoft, were the ones who buy your products.

That is such a logical suggestion, and makes so much sense. However, since it "was not invented here (at MS)" it will be rejected. As for users training at home--that may hold true for a certain percentage of employees; but training's ultimate responsibility rests with the employer.

rsrcomp said,
.....

do not assume desktop users don't want metro.
Sure a percentage don't, but not all.

Also, some corporate LoB apps are better suited for Metro to keep users in a tailored productive experience.

dotf said,

do not assume desktop users don't want metro.
Sure a percentage don't, but not all.

This is why the start button needs to be on if the user CHOOSES at installation whether to make the DEFAULT SCREEN Metro or Aero Desktop.

MS doesn't need to remove anything permanently - just give desktop users an option.

And, to be brutally honest, it's about the only easy and practical code change they could make at this very late date. And it will take a MASSIVE outcry for MS to fix this in the next 30-60 days (re: all they have left before it's all bug fixes and icon polishes for RC1+).

It's the only way to save Windows 8 from a PR disaster if it comes out like this on desktops this Christmas (re: the reason for the huge push right now).

there is still so much work to do. i hope they won't move to rc so early. in other way win8 will have win me and win vista fate...

coth said,
there is still so much work to do. i hope they won't move to rc so early. in other way win8 will have win me and win vista fate...

there is certainly a group of users that don't like Windows 8 (or just Metro), but the scale of it is quite questionable. also Vista was a good OS, people were just complaining because of changes in UI and refused to adapt and understand the changes. the problem was, that it's been around 5 years between XP and Vista and because of disappointment after so long waiting people could as well switch to the Mac for example (and so some of them did). now it's just 3 year difference between good stable OS and a new one with changes that conservative people hate so much. on other hand, it might sell really well with tablets and I think just that alone is good enough with Microsoft for now.

х.iso said,

there is certainly a group of users that don't like Windows 8 (or just Metro), but the scale of it is quite questionable. also Vista was a good OS, people were just complaining because of changes in UI and refused to adapt and understand the changes. the problem was, that it's been around 5 years between XP and Vista and because of disappointment after so long waiting people could as well switch to the Mac for example (and so some of them did). now it's just 3 year difference between good stable OS and a new one with changes that conservative people hate so much. on other hand, it might sell really well with tablets and I think just that alone is good enough with Microsoft for now.

Yeah, but vista and me failed in things "invisible" to the user, this istem is exactly the other way around...

I just hope they listened to peoples thoughts about the desktop and keyboard/mouse. Im ready to buy Win 8 and need an upgrade but Im not buying something for my desktop which clearly was not designed for it.

MS are not living in a world where we have to go with their vision anymore and if they want me using their OS on my next tablet and mobile then there better be a decent Desktop operating system for my PC to control it all. One size does not fit all.

I think Windows 8 will be ok. People, especially techies need to get over the fact that the 90's paradigm wasn't sustainable in the consumer space anymore and that the change was needed.

Dot Matrix said,
What?

Sorry, didn't make myself very clear there. Let me try to rephrase that: When you say that Windows 8 will be ok, do you mean it will do as well as the Zune or Windows phone or Vista or Windows 7 or the iPad each in their respective domains? I'm just trying to figure out what you mean by "will be ok". In other words, how successful and well-loved do you expect Windows 8 to be compared to other products?

Dot Matrix said,
I think Windows 8 will be ok. People, especially techies need to get over the fact that the 90's paradigm wasn't sustainable in the consumer space anymore and that the change was needed.

^This!

Well, comes to show that Windows has had a cycle since Windows ME.....

Windows 98: Good
Windows ME: Failure
Windows XP: Awesome
Windows Vista: Failure
Windows 7: Awesome
Windows 8: ??? (Looks to be a failure)

Guess we'll see, but I hate Windows 8. I got nothing against change, but if they are going to make my life harder, I'm not gonna stand for it.

Farchord said,
Well, comes to show that Windows has had a cycle since Windows ME.....

Windows 98: Good
Windows ME: Failure
Windows XP: Awesome
Windows Vista: Failure
Windows 7: Awesome
Windows 8: ??? (Looks to be a failure)

Guess we'll see, but I hate Windows 8. I got nothing against change, but if they are going to make my life harder, I'm not gonna stand for it.

Sir, You skipped 2000.

farmeunit said,

2000 wasn't considered a "consumer" OS, so that wouldn't really count.

Although 2000 wasn't considered to be a consumer OS it was the first version that wouldn't take down the whole OS because of an errant app. NT 4 whilst not as flacky as 95/98 in that respect still wasn't great. Which is probably why XP was based on Win2K.

As for Win 8, definitively going to skip it completely, still think whole Metro look is horrible, shame as I'd like some of the non Metro improvements.

Farchord said,
Well, comes to show that Windows has had a cycle since Windows ME.....

Windows 98: Good
Windows ME: Failure
Windows XP: Awesome
Windows Vista: Failure
Windows 7: Awesome
Windows 8: ??? (Looks to be a failure)

Guess we'll see, but I hate Windows 8. I got nothing against change, but if they are going to make my life harder, I'm not gonna stand for it.

I think it pretty much holds as well.

Windows 3.0 - not so good (but a good technology showcase)
Windows 3.1 - Good
Windows 3.11 FWG - hard to rate, but improved... but had issues
Windows 95 - Great!
Windows 98 - Buggy
Windows 98 SE - Pretty solid...
Windows ME - Horrible (but good ideas, poorly executed)
Windows XP - Very, very good (I really like Win2k, but not consumer)
Windows Vista - great ideas, poor out of gate
Windows 7 - Great!
Windows 8 - ?

Farchord said,
Well, comes to show that Windows has had a cycle since Windows ME.....

Windows 98: Good
Windows ME: Failure
Windows XP: Failure till SP1
Windows Vista: Failure till SP2
Windows 7: Awesome
Windows 8: ??? (Looks to be a failure)

Fixed that for you...

azure.sapphire said,

I think it pretty much holds as well.

Windows 3.0 - not so good (but a good technology showcase)
Windows 3.1 - Good
Windows 3.11 FWG - hard to rate, but improved... but had issues
Windows 95 - Great!
Windows 98 - Buggy
Windows 98 SE - Pretty solid...
Windows ME - Horrible (but good ideas, poorly executed)
Windows XP - Very, very good (I really like Win2k, but not consumer)
Windows Vista - great ideas, poor out of gate
Windows 7 - Great!
Windows 8 - ?

XP was good? Are we forgetting the first 3 years of the OS where there were viruses coming out of the woodwork? What about Blaster and Sasser? People seem to forget that because of the security improvements in Windows Vista, no one bothers attacking the OS, but instead prey on dumb users (because it doesn't matter what security you have at an OS level if they're willing to type in a password into a random prompt).

Farchord said,
Well, comes to show that Windows has had a cycle since Windows ME.....

Windows 98: Good
Windows ME: Failure
Windows XP: Awesome
Windows Vista: Failure
Windows 7: Awesome
Windows 8: ??? (Looks to be a failure)

Guess we'll see, but I hate Windows 8. I got nothing against change, but if they are going to make my life harder, I'm not gonna stand for it.

So far I think it's:

95: Considered a massive success.
98: Not as much of a success but widely adopted by OEMs and businesses.
ME: Considered a failure.
2000: Considered a massive success.
XP: Not as much of a success but widely adopted by OEMs and businesses.
Vista: Considered a failure.
7: Considered a massive success.
8:?

Unless they make some major changes I don't see 8 following the trend, and I suspect it's going to turn out to be a Vista.

Enron said,
Guys, stop trying to make patterns that don't fit. These are operating systems, not Star Trek movies.

Lawl!

The thing is, there are a significant number of consumers who hate and don't understand their technology.
This may resonate with them.
It is a paradigm shift.
We'll see.

gold is in september, so they are running out of time. I could be that a SP would be a few weeks after the final is on the street on october.

ThePitt said,
gold is in september, so they are running out of time. I could be that a SP would be a few weeks after the final is on the street on october.

Gold will most likely be July/August.

Windows 8 CP looks for me like technology preview. Unbelievable that the status going to nearly finished. After neatly a month I still don't like Windows 8.

thekim said,
Windows 8 CP looks for me like technology preview. Unbelievable that the status going to nearly finished. After neatly a month I still don't like Windows 8.

Indeed. As I stated in many posts before, when MS releases a Preview, it is always nearly feature complete. They have never made a substantive change during the preview to RC to RTM cycle. Never.

Unfortunately, since that is what's needed to fix the insane GUI problems (invisible gadgets? come on now), those of you in IT purchasing recommendation positions should warn your professional, business, and corporate clients NOW to avoid Windows 8 at all costs.

I'm already advising them to skip Windows 8 entirely since the MS modus operandi will be to fix these egregious usability issues in the next full OS release years from now.

In truth, Microsoft sees that their October release for tablets trumps the considerations of their entire 27 years of world domination, because they think they will lose that to Apple. In truth, Windows 8 could just be released for tablets/touch and not for desktops and they'd still accomplish their mission. But the easiest fix is to make Metro optional for desktop installations, like Windows Media Center, etc.

But they won't do that at this late stage because all of the critical internal screaming sessions about this happened over a year ago. We're just "previewing" what they've already decided to do without your input.

Ironically, the only way MS has shown it will listen to user feedback is by NOT buying their product on massive scales. Even something as simple as putting the "up" button back into Explorer takes years and a full OS release to address.

Imagine how hard it will be for them to fix what's wrong at the very core of Metro for working with desktop, professional, and business users?

So, warn your clients now. Windows 8 is a skip.

SirEvan said,
your FUD about 8 is unbelievable.

Actually, without violating my NDA, most people know I've never been wrong about an MS prediction or my reporting of the inner workings of the company.

And no one, I mean NO ONE, would confuse me with a Linux/Apple fan. 8P

So, please take the time to argue against my position, which you will find is the absolutely 100% truth soon enough.

PS Senior IT people in major corporations are consulted on annual (calendar and fiscal) budgets. So, yes, they are looking very closely at next year's hardware and software purchasing schedules right now.

Ok, the multiple colours (green, pink, and black) in that screenshot looks a bit odd, but we will whenever RC arrives I suppose...

They should merge the databases where the two versions of I.E. store their information, so bookmarks, history, etc is shared between them.

Edit: Also a means of installing Metro apps from sources other than Microsoft's store should be added for enterprise and professionals.

thealexweb said,
They should merge the databases where the two versions of I.E. store their information, so bookmarks, history, etc is shared between them.

Edit: Also a means of installing Metro apps from sources other than Microsoft's store should be added for enterprise and professionals.

I think IEs already do, though I haven't tested this but the problem is that the metro version doesn't show your favorites until you start typing something in the address bar etc.

I'm also sure there will be a sideloading option as well but they're not talking about it yet.

thealexweb said,

Edit: Also a means of installing Metro apps from sources other than Microsoft's store should be added for enterprise and professionals.

There are already means for Enterprise & professionals to install Metro apps using Windows Powershell.

wetworker said,
I hope they give us more option when I comes to themes as well as background image.

themes for desktop or metro? as u can install win7 themes onto the desktop

DKAngel said,

themes for desktop or metro? as u can install win7 themes onto the desktop

He probably means both, I think if they'd simply let you set the same background image on both the start screen and the desktop then flipping between the two wouldn't look as big of a change as it does atm.

Midnight Mick said,
Not gonna load this one, don't wanna get disappointed again...

The Release Candidate is supposed to be better than the Consumer Preview, you know, . . . due to it being a later build and all. It makes sense to at least try it out before assuming it will be bad.