Samsung files counter-suit against Apple in Australia

Samsung is taking its legal fight with Apple seriously in the country of Australia. Apple filed a lawsuit against Samsung a few months ago, claiming that Samsung had violated patents on the design and user interface that Apple used for its iPad and iPhone products. That lawsuit caused Samsung's Galaxy Tab 10.1 tablet to be banned from sale in Australia in August. Now Samsung has struck back and filed its own counter-suit against Apple.

Reuters reports that Samsung's lawsuit claims that Apple's iPhone and iPad products infringe on seven Australian patents that are owned by Samsung. The patents all deal with wireless communications standards. The lawsuit also claims that Apple's patents that it used as the basis for its own lawsuit against the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 were invalid. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 is also banned from being sold in Germany thanks to a similar legal dispute between Apple and Samsung.

In related news, Engadget reports that the WiFi only version of the Galaxy Tab 8.9, the latest addition to Samsung's Galaxy Tab family of tablets, are being shipped to a number of Best Buy stores here in the US. The tablet should go on sale in some Best Buy stores on September 22 while others will put the Galaxy Tab 8.9 on sale on September 25. The story reports that pricing for the tablet will be $399.99 but that has not yet been confirmed. Samsung also has plans to release a 7.7 inch version of the Galaxy Tab sometime in the near future.

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I wish they would just get this over and done with and release the dam product... After all MobiCity is already selling the imported version so its not like this is effecting the sale of the device...

Sigh... Typical Neowin.
Apple sues Samsung for infringing their patents... And people whine and complain about Apple.
Samsung sues Apple for infringing their patents... And people whine and complain about Apple.

Seems to be a lot of brilliant people in these woods...

Look at the order...

Thats why. You can't deny Apple submitted fake/photoshopped evidence to get the products banned in Germany. Why would anyone support this?

So why would anyone whine about Samsung retaliating against something Apple started?

RobertH said,
Look at the order...

Thats why. You can't deny Apple submitted fake/photoshopped evidence to get the products banned in Germany. Why would anyone support this?

So why would anyone whine about Samsung retaliating against something Apple started?

The court would obviously not make a verdict based on pictures. The physical devices would be right in front of them, so the pictures mean nothing. There were no dimensions labeled either, so the pictures show and prove nothing.

In the end, Apple seems to be winning all the lawsuits they file, so they are obviously not wrong. If Samsung wins this one, they can say the same, but until then, they have nothing to back them. People just need to get over the "it's cool to bash Apple" hype around here. They label Apple users "sheep" when in reality they are the sheep for following this crowd with absolutely no realistic backing to their claims.

From an outside standpoint of "I don't care about either side in these lawsuits", it's rather sad how people react when the word "Apple" is brought up. It seems to instantly bring the "idiot" out of too many people. (just to be clear, I'm not pointing a finder at anybody)

Astra.Xtreme said,

The court would obviously not make a verdict based on pictures. The physical devices would be right in front of them, so the pictures mean nothing. There were no dimensions labeled either, so the pictures show and prove nothing.

Seems to me that is what hte German court did....

Waiting to see how the UK/US says about this as they are requesting Apple's sales/profits to see if they are really suffering or not because of samsung.

Astra.Xtreme said,

(just to be clear, I'm not pointing a finder at anybody)

but would you point an *explorer* at somebody? would you?

Astra.Xtreme said,

The court would obviously not make a verdict based on pictures. The physical devices would be right in front of them, so the pictures mean nothing. There were no dimensions labeled either, so the pictures show and prove nothing.

So basically what you're saying is it's okay to doctor documented evidence in a court of law? Man, I wouldn't want to be a defendant in your court-room...

Regardless of whether or not they examined the physical devices. The fact that Apple forged evidence in order to substantiate their claims to allow them to proceed with the hearing should have been enough for the case to be thrown out. In any real court of law it would have been. Something tells me dollars are changing hands here...

CrimsonBetrayal said,

So basically what you're saying is it's okay to doctor documented evidence in a court of law? Man, I wouldn't want to be a defendant in your court-room...

Regardless of whether or not they examined the physical devices. The fact that Apple forged evidence in order to substantiate their claims to allow them to proceed with the hearing should have been enough for the case to be thrown out. In any real court of law it would have been. Something tells me dollars are changing hands here...

So you're implying that Apple bought over the judge?

Astra.Xtreme said,

The court would obviously not make a verdict based on pictures. The physical devices would be right in front of them, so the pictures mean nothing...

Then why would Apple bother to do it if it made no difference? They wouldnt.

Even if it didnt, how would that make it any less wrong? Its ok to forge evidence as long as it didnt really make a difference? The fact they did it shows how much Apple think of their own case - that it cant stand up on its own.

I care about the outcome, because if Apple manage to get away with this stuff then I suffer - Because I get less choice. Isnt that why anyone would care about these headlines?

I was looking forward to seeing the Galaxy Tab 7.7 and its being held up because of Apple's petty anti-competative bull. I hope Samsung fight back and get Apple to quit this stuff and play fair - then I can get back to buying products I choose.

apple started it. i just hope apple gets their own taste of medicine. (not dissing apple products, but their big-headed actions)

Chicane-UK said,
Sigh. Make it stop.

daCrazyDude said,
apple started it. i just hope apple gets their own taste of medicine. (not dissing apple products, but their big-headed actions)

After Galaxy S stole the iOS concepts(minus, of course, standard android things), Apple had to.

Muhammad Farrukh said,

After Galaxy S stole the iOS concepts(minus, of course, standard android things), Apple had to.


I think you need to read up on this case some...

Muhammad Farrukh said,
Samsung, out of desperation, counter-sued?
WOW.

I fail to see how this is desperation, if you want to talk about desperation then look at how many law suites apple has made against rival companies over patents. I guess your an apple fan boy though and think that apple are the only ones allowed to sue?

Xoligy said,

I fail to see how this is desperation, if you want to talk about desperation then look at how many law suites apple has made against rival companies over patents. I guess your an apple fan boy though and think that apple are the only ones allowed to sue?

For the record, I ain't no apple fanboy or something but I can see with my eyes what Samsung did
After Galaxy S stole the iOS concepts(minus, of course, standard android things), Apple had to do something.

Galaxy S stole from iOS? You mean like the way notifications are displayed? Or the one button press for the camera? I think you're confusing the stealer with the stealee.

greenwizard88 said,
Galaxy S stole from iOS? You mean like the way notifications are displayed? Or the one button press for the camera? I think you're confusing the stealer with the stealee.

I will suppose you didn't used one device of the two.
Have you seen the meny layout? It is exactly like iOS.
Those squared background icons.
A person who has used both devices can tell instantly where those on Galaxy S came from.
About the Notification area thing. Yeah I am with you and Android on this.

Muhammad Farrukh said,

I will suppose you didn't used one device of the two.
Have you seen the meny layout? It is exactly like iOS.
Those squared background icons.
A person who has used both devices can tell instantly where those on Galaxy S came from.
About the Notification area thing. Yeah I am with you and Android on this.


Yeah, nobody ever saw a square icon until Apple invented them. Nobody saw a screen full of nothing but icons before, either. Nobody ever saw a rectangular phone or screen with rounded corners until Apple invented them.

Apple is just the latest SCO and with the combined efforts of Google, Samsung, and HTC armed with the patents they are amassing will be smacked back down big time. Arrogant Apple isn't going to win this war.

fuzi0719 said,

Yeah, nobody ever saw a square icon until Apple invented them. Nobody saw a screen full of nothing but icons before, either. Nobody ever saw a rectangular phone or screen with rounded corners until Apple invented them.

Apple is just the latest SCO and with the combined efforts of Google, Samsung, and HTC armed with the patents they are amassing will be smacked back down big time. Arrogant Apple isn't going to win this war.

True, but the experience seems much more similar to iOS

Muhammad Farrukh said,

For the record, I ain't no apple fanboy or something but I can see with my eyes what Samsung did
After Galaxy S stole the iOS concepts(minus, of course, standard android things), Apple had to do something.

Apple had to do something? How many thing shave Apple stolen and gotten away with? Every company is suing one another because apple are saying "thats our idea, thats our thought, the "i" is our branding" if apple didnt sue every other company then they wouldnt return at a later date to sue them for something im sorry they have brought everything on themselfs and always try and bully other companies thats a fact!

Muhammad Farrukh said,
Samsung, out of desperation, counter-sued?
WOW.

I would have to disagree. If anyone is coming across as desperate, it's Apple. The did after all feel the need to submit fraudulent court documents... If they truly had a case, they would not have Photoshopped the images of the Galaxy Tab to look like the iPad...

greenwizard88 said,
Galaxy S stole from iOS? You mean like the way notifications are displayed? Or the one button press for the camera? I think you're confusing the stealer with the stealee.

Actually you fail to understand how a patent works...

greenwizard88 said,
Galaxy S stole from iOS? You mean like the way notifications are displayed? Or the one button press for the camera? I think you're confusing the stealer with the stealee.

I'm 100% positive, "one button press for the camera," was implemented on cell phones years before the first Android phone even hit the market. I'm starting to wonder why the Android herd think otherwise and that it's something Apple, "stole," from them.