Samsung Galaxy S5 to feature 16 MP camera, OIS

Secrets in the world of the modern technology industry are like water in a sieve, they tend to flow out. With the launch of the Note 3 imminent next week at the IFA in Berlin, new reports have come in providing some specs on next year's Galaxy flagship, the S5.

They claim that Samsung has already begun to develop 16MP camera sensors equipped with OIS (Optical Image Stabilization) for their next phone which is to be launched in March.

This will provide image quality above that of the already impressive Galaxy S4 with an increased megapixel count, as well as the added image stabilization software. Samsung fans who expect to see some of this OIS magic in the Note 3 should however prepare to be disappointed, as the electronics giant was not able to procure enough units for the phablet and thus shelved the idea.

On the other hand, not having OIS on the Note is unlikely to hurt Samsung's mobile sales very much, as there are enough Galaxy devices to act as a cushion in the unlikely event the Note 3 becomes a flop.

For those who need a powerful smartphone with a great camera here and now, there is always the Lumia 1020 with its 41 mega-pixel camera available at AT&T or if you can wait for a brief period of time, the yet to be announced Sony Xperia Z1.

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4 cores is already useless on a phone. The only benefit is higher benchmarks scores, but those mean nothing for real-world performance. 8 cores would be even more of a waste.

So what? We have future games where'll we want to see reach high level console detail and performance. We have multitaskers who want to make sure nothing gets hold up when switching and working with more than one app. There are many more possibilities to be made in the software when you enhance the hardware.

That will have little to do with the CPU. The GPU will need a boost to accomplish that. A good developer can squeeze a huge amount of performance out of a dual core. Windows Phone does it, iOS does it, but Android seems to have problems.

Covering up the crappy code with over-sized hardware is a bad solution and the customer gets screwed with bad battery life. The CPU is not the bottleneck, so increasing it for the sake of playing the numbers game is bad product management at it's finest.

Astra.Xtreme said,
That will have little to do with the CPU. The GPU will need a boost to accomplish that. A good developer can squeeze a huge amount of performance out of a dual core. Windows Phone does it, iOS does it, but Android seems to have problems.

Covering up the crappy code with over-sized hardware is a bad solution and the customer gets screwed with bad battery life. The CPU is not the bottleneck, so increasing it for the sake of playing the numbers game is bad product management at it's finest.


S4 Pro dual core does fine on Android. The fact that it is java-based is going to require more oomf vs. native code OSes.

Hence, Android requires faster hardware, but the dual core S4 Pro seems to be just fine.

Astra.Xtreme said,
That will have little to do with the CPU. The GPU will need a boost to accomplish that. A good developer can squeeze a huge amount of performance out of a dual core. Windows Phone does it, iOS does it, but Android seems to have problems.

Covering up the crappy code with over-sized hardware is a bad solution and the customer gets screwed with bad battery life. The CPU is not the bottleneck, so increasing it for the sake of playing the numbers game is bad product management at it's finest.

Really? Because my Note II has a bigger screen, more features and has a quadcore yet it last longer than the iPhone 5 on a full charge. Oh and did I mention full multi-tasking?

Adding cores doesn't always lead to lesser battery-life.
But where I do understand your point, I rather they give us a minimum of 32GB for internal storage and the phone should support 128GB sdcards by now.

adrynalyne said,

S4 Pro dual core does fine on Android. The fact that it is java-based is going to require more oomf vs. native code OSes.

Hence, Android requires faster hardware, but the dual core S4 Pro seems to be just fine.

It probably works great on vanilla Android. The problem is that companies like Samsung design crap like Touchwiz, and are forced to design the hardware with insane specs just to run it decently. Considering how massive some of those batteries are, imagine how great of battery life they would get if the software was better quality. These companies shoot themselves in the foot by allowing such junk software to run on their products.

TechieXP said,
Really? Because my Note II has a bigger screen, more features and has a quadcore yet it last longer than the iPhone 5 on a full charge. Oh and did I mention full multi-tasking?

Adding cores doesn't always lead to lesser battery-life.
But where I do understand your point, I rather they give us a minimum of 32GB for internal storage and the phone should support 128GB sdcards by now.


Did you mention your Note II battery is more than double the capacity of an iPhone 5?

The iPhone5 would outlast the Note II (by a large margin) with the same battery size. Exynos 4412 isn't exactly a power efficient SoC.

"already impressive Galaxy S4 "
lol, impressive? the HTC one, and old lumia 920 runs circles around this "impressiveness". In fact the GS4 probably has the worse camera seen to date even worse than the iphone 5's. Ok, only the nexus 4 is worse, but that is no serious phone lacking even basics as LTE.


meh, 16MP. so low spec for a camera in 2013. I was shooting 16MP 5 years ago and remain better than anything Samsung could deliver in 2013.

-sent from a lumia 1020

neonspark said,
"already impressive Galaxy S4 "
lol, impressive? the HTC one, and old lumia 920 runs circles around this "impressiveness". In fact the GS4 probably has the worse camera seen to date even worse than the iphone 5's. Ok, only the nexus 4 is worse, but that is no serious phone lacking even basics as LTE.

meh, 16MP. so low spec for a camera in 2013. I was shooting 16MP 5 years ago and remain better than anything Samsung could deliver in 2013.

-sent from a lumia 1020


Im not sure, but you seems to be blind in some ways, because the HTC One with its horrible 4 mpix camera doesnt stand a chance against the Galaxy S4. Now take a look at those pictures that i took with my Galaxy S4: https://dl.dropboxusercontent..../Kamera/20130517_180619.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent..../Kamera/20130519_170303.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent..../Kamera/20130517_180747.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent..../Kamera/20130621_161617.jpg

Now, please dont tell me the joke that the HTC One or even the Nokia Lumia 920 (its still good, but not as good as the Galaxy S4) is giving better pictures than those pictures, because they simply dont.

And the fact that you are comparing normal cameras with mobile cameras makes you look even dumber. The ONLY Nokia phone that can compete with the camera on the Galaxy S4 is the Lumia 1020 that you have now.

neonspark said,
"already impressive Galaxy S4 "
lol, impressive? the HTC one, and old lumia 920 runs circles around this "impressiveness". In fact the GS4 probably has the worse camera seen to date even worse than the iphone 5's. Ok, only the nexus 4 is worse, but that is no serious phone lacking even basics as LTE.


meh, 16MP. so low spec for a camera in 2013. I was shooting 16MP 5 years ago and remain better than anything Samsung could deliver in 2013.

-sent from a lumia 1020

Gawd, go watch your MTV.

You manually typed "-sent from a lumia 1020" probably.

Exynos said,

Im not sure, but you seems to be blind in some ways, because the HTC One with its horrible 4 mpix camera doesnt stand a chance against the Galaxy S4. Now take a look at those pictures that i took with my Galaxy S4: https://dl.dropboxusercontent..../Kamera/20130517_180619.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent..../Kamera/20130519_170303.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent..../Kamera/20130517_180747.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent..../Kamera/20130621_161617.jpg

Now, please dont tell me the joke that the HTC One or even the Nokia Lumia 920 (its still good, but not as good as the Galaxy S4) is giving better pictures than those pictures, because they simply dont.

And the fact that you are comparing normal cameras with mobile cameras makes you look even dumber. The ONLY Nokia phone that can compete with the camera on the Galaxy S4 is the Lumia 1020 that you have now.

I agree with everything you said except for a couple of small points.
1) There is currently no competition to the 1020 in any platform. It's far ahead of any other smartphone camera.
2) I myself have a 920 and I agree that the S4 is better, although the 920 is still better in low light conditions.

Exynos said,

Im not sure, but you seems to be blind in some ways, because the HTC One with its horrible 4 mpix camera doesnt stand a chance against the Galaxy S4. Now take a look at those pictures that i took with my Galaxy S4: https://dl.dropboxusercontent..../Kamera/20130517_180619.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent..../Kamera/20130519_170303.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent..../Kamera/20130517_180747.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent..../Kamera/20130621_161617.jpg

Now, please dont tell me the joke that the HTC One or even the Nokia Lumia 920 (its still good, but not as good as the Galaxy S4) is giving better pictures than those pictures, because they simply dont.

And the fact that you are comparing normal cameras with mobile cameras makes you look even dumber. The ONLY Nokia phone that can compete with the camera on the Galaxy S4 is the Lumia 1020 that you have now.

Not sure it is a 'joke', but after several weeks of testing the iPhone5, S3, S4, One, 920, and the just released 928, the S4 didn't even hit the middle of these phones.

In our testing the Nokia 928 was the best, with the 920 coming in a close second, and with the software update to the 920 this month, it comes much closer to the 928.

Our tests ranked them like this...

Best
928
920
One
IPhone 5
S4
S3
Worst

The most disturbing aspect of the S4 is the narrow angle of the lens, where trying to take a photo of a couple of people in a room requires you to be outside the room.

The other disturbing thing was the low light performance, with the S4 literally returning a solid black image using Night mode and all the tricks to get the most light into the sensor. On the Nokia 928 it would return what your eye could see even in the automatic settings.

The 12mp in the S4 was also disappointing, as it only seemed to add extra noise at the highest resolution. (Again mainly due to its poor low light performance, but even in daylight shots would add noise to the image in dark areas.)

We wanted to like the S4, but being intellectually honest, in comparison to the Nokia Phones it is a generation behind.

Mobius Enigma said,

Not sure it is a 'joke', but after several weeks of testing the iPhone5, S3, S4, One, 920, and the just released 928, the S4 didn't even hit the middle of these phones.

In our testing the Nokia 928 was the best, with the 920 coming in a close second, and with the software update to the 920 this month, it comes much closer to the 928.

Our tests ranked them like this...

Best
928
920
One
IPhone 5
S4
S3
Worst

The most disturbing aspect of the S4 is the narrow angle of the lens, where trying to take a photo of a couple of people in a room requires you to be outside the room.

The other disturbing thing was the low light performance, with the S4 literally returning a solid black image using Night mode and all the tricks to get the most light into the sensor. On the Nokia 928 it would return what your eye could see even in the automatic settings.

The 12mp in the S4 was also disappointing, as it only seemed to add extra noise at the highest resolution. (Again mainly due to its poor low light performance, but even in daylight shots would add noise to the image in dark areas.)

We wanted to like the S4, but being intellectually honest, in comparison to the Nokia Phones it is a generation behind.


First of all, who are you and why should i believe your test when all other tests confirms what im saying?

My pictures that i posted over shows that you are talking right out of your ass. 3 out of the 4 pictures i posted over that is taken with full resolution have almost no noises in the pictures in light environments.

Neowin`s own test of the Lumia 928, Galaxy S4 and iPhone 5 places the Galaxy S4 over the iPhone 5. And this review also confirms my arguments: http://connect.dpreview.com/po...cone-vs-iphone5-vs-lumia920

Nokia Lumia 928 is the only Nokia phone that doesn`t have a monster camera lens that can compete with the Galaxy S4.

HTC One`s advantages are fast shutter and more lights into the pictures in more darker environments. Other than that the details on the HTC One`s pictures are grainy, blurry and overall bad.

So why you place the iPhone 5, HTC One and even the Lumia 920 over the Galaxy S4 only shows that someone is incompetent by doing camera tests.

The most disturbing aspect of the S4 is the narrow angle of the lens, where trying to take a photo of a couple of people in a room requires you to be outside the room.

- Bit of an exaggeration there no? the angle is smaller than HTC One, but not to this extreme.

The other disturbing thing was the low light performance, with the S4 literally returning a solid black image using Night mode and all the tricks to get the most light into the sensor. On the Nokia 928 it would return what your eye could see even in the automatic settings.

- Solid black.... 920 and HTC One has better low light, which has it over S4. It doesn't produce solid black though.

The 12mp in the S4 was also disappointing, as it only seemed to add extra noise at the highest resolution. (Again mainly due to its poor low light performance, but even in daylight shots would add noise to the image in dark areas.)
- Extra noise at highest resolution... have you seen HTC One performance?

Leads to be believe you are misinformed, or you are a zealot, sir.


mr_sock_00 said,
The most disturbing aspect of the S4 is the narrow angle of the lens, where trying to take a photo of a couple of people in a room requires you to be outside the room.

- Bit of an exaggeration there no? the angle is smaller than HTC One, but not to this extreme.

The other disturbing thing was the low light performance, with the S4 literally returning a solid black image using Night mode and all the tricks to get the most light into the sensor. On the Nokia 928 it would return what your eye could see even in the automatic settings.

- Solid black.... 920 and HTC One has better low light, which has it over S4. It doesn't produce solid black though.

The 12mp in the S4 was also disappointing, as it only seemed to add extra noise at the highest resolution. (Again mainly due to its poor low light performance, but even in daylight shots would add noise to the image in dark areas.)
- Extra noise at highest resolution... have you seen HTC One performance?

Leads to be believe you are misinformed, or you are a zealot, sir.


We did a week of testing of the One and the S4 along with the just released Nokia 928.

The angle is rather dramatic when you are trying to reproduce the same scenes and simply CANNOT reproduce the same shots on the S4 or even the HTC One that were easy on the Nokia 928 and 920.

The higher resolution of S4 is a rather raw image of the scene rather than having some processing or downsampling. This is evident to users in the darker portions of the image where noise is more noticeable due to the lack of reflected light hitting the sensor.

If understanding how the sensors work makes me a zealot, then I apologize for conforming to the sciences of technology.

Technical notes and observations:

There is of course 'personal' preferences to camera images based on the post processing and saturation that can sway less savvy users. However, if you just take the technical data, the S4 and the HTC One are not in the same class as the Nokia cameras.

With the Nokia 920, 928 you have to start with the extra optics/lens technology and the Carl Zeiss optics. Then take into account the back-side illuminated technology, the faster lens/shutter, the noise reduction, and the OIS that allows the shutter to stay open longer without blurring the image, the technical information adds up to a better image. PERIOD.

The S4 has a smaller sensor, yet is saving a 12mp/16mp image (depending on S4).

The HTC One has a larger sensor (Like the Nokia 928/920), but a lower sensor resolution, meaning the final image is not getting the additional resample processing. This means that the HTC One is actually producing a direct 4MP image 'upsampled' to 8MP, instead of a higher resolution down sampled to 8MP.

These are not 'personal' feelings, these are facts.

The OIS in the Nokia 920/928 allows for crisper images, as even the most steady human hand is not perfect. It also gives the camera time to pull in extra light information, along with the back-side illuminated sensor gives Nokia the easy win when it comes to low light and fast moving images.

The Xenon flash on the 928 is also helpful, allowing a night shot to capture in air high speed motion that would normally require bright daylight conditions. The 928 also has a separate LED flash that can used for light measurement and also used in conjunction with the Xenon flash.

Like I mentioned above, the S4 would consistently return a solid black image, even when we adjusted the image to show captured data, when the Nokia 928 or 920 would return a well light scene or night sky scene with no effort.


I'm not alone in this 'assessment', if you do a web search with reviews of the various Cameras, even the anti-Nokia/WP sites reluctantly give the best quality image to the Nokia 928/925/920. If you stick to photography review sites, the Nokia devices easily win the majority of tests. This is somewhat anecdotal, but when the majority of review sites concur, there is possibly some evidence beyond the 'technical data' that they are producing a much better image.

(Note that I am not throwing the Nokia 1020 into this conversation, as I trying to be somewhat 'technically' fair to the finding of the Nokia 928/920 compared to the devices I listed.)

Here are some reputable camera reviews of the Galaxy S4:
http://www.techradar.com/revie...-galaxy-s4-1137602/review/8

http://connect.dpreview.com/po...xy-s4-camera-review?page=11

"The camera's image quality is among the best we've seen so far on mobile devices"

The average consumer doesn't care about marginal spec differences in smartphone cameras. What you typed is insignificant to the vast majority of smartphone customers.

There is no "majority of review sites" consensus that Nokia cameras perform better than their specs indicate. If they do win 'technical tests' it's by an amount insignificant to the vast majority of smartphone customers.

There is not a single reputable review that talks about "completely dark" low light performance in the S4.

Edited by shawnmanx, Aug 28 2013, 12:15am :

shawnmanx said,
Here are some reputable camera reviews of the Galaxy S4:
http://www.techradar.com/revie...-galaxy-s4-1137602/review/8

http://connect.dpreview.com/po...xy-s4-camera-review?page=11

"The camera's image quality is among the best we've seen so far on mobile devices"

The average consumer doesn't care about marginal spec differences in smartphone cameras. What you typed is insignificant to the vast majority of smartphone customers.

There is no "majority of review sites" consensus that Nokia cameras perform better than their specs indicate. If they do win 'technical tests' it's by an amount insignificant to the vast majority of smartphone customers.

There is not a single reputable review that talks about "completely dark" low light performance in the S4.

I'm sorry that technical information just confused the situation.

Do me a favor, point your S4 at the stars in the Sky or at distant city lights. Enjoy the black image.

Just because a review site didn't shoot distant shots of the Luxor light in Vegas or shoot at the stars doesn't mean the S4 returns a great picture in the dark.

Again the Nokia 920/925/928 images appeared like what the human eye could see.

The S4 is not a horrible camera, but it is not close the Nokia 920/925/928.

You are correct, to you the S4 is the best camera in the world. When you get the chance to try a Nokia, do it, so you aren't left with this misconception, it gets foolish after a post after post.

Done.

Edited by Mobius Enigma, Aug 28 2013, 3:08am :

Mobius Enigma said,

You are correct, to you the S4 is the best camera in the world. When you get the chance to try a Nokia, do it, so you aren't left with this misconception, it gets foolish after a post after post.

This is ridiculous. Nowhere did the previous poster say that the S4 camera is the best, just that it's not terrible by any means. Sure, the Nokias are better but at least to me camera performance takes a back seat to lots of other features and Windows Phone 8 comes on the bottom in most of them. I don't think Nokia's camera produces all that much better images in most situations, not enough difference to matter to most people.

While it's nice that Samsung is specbumping their camera, there is still the matter of optics and that's the area where there have been pretty much no improvements afaik.

Honestly I'm far more interested in what Sony is doing with their upcoming smartphone-mountable optics. If properly done it could be a really good way to turn a smartphone into a poor man's DSLR.

Mobius Enigma said,

We did a week of testing of the One and the S4 along with the just released Nokia 928..............

Just because you type a lot doesn't make your made up tests any more real. Every review of the S4's camera that I've read has shown the S4 outperforming most of the phones you listed by a reasonable margin. Get back in your cave.

Mobius Enigma said,

The S4 is not a horrible camera, but it is not close the Nokia 920/925/928

Just to make this very clear to you. The Nokia Lumia 920, 925 and 928 are only better than the Galaxy S4 in dark environments. When it comes to detailed images and how good they looks in light environments, those 3 Nokia phones are not better than the Galaxy S4.

You have seen my light environment pictures that i posted earlier. Now show me any pictures taken by any of those 3 Nokia phones in light environemts that shows that they are better and have better details than my pictures and post them here to prove your points.

I even have more pictures to show if you don't believe me.

neonspark said,
"already impressive Galaxy S4 "
lol, impressive? the HTC one, and old lumia 920 runs circles around this "impressiveness". In fact the GS4 probably has the worse camera seen to date even worse than the iphone 5's. Ok, only the nexus 4 is worse, but that is no serious phone lacking even basics as LTE.


meh, 16MP. so low spec for a camera in 2013. I was shooting 16MP 5 years ago and remain better than anything Samsung could deliver in 2013.

-sent from a lumia 1020

What camera reviews have you been reading. Other than low light situations, the GS4's camera beat every single phone up to the Lumia 1020. Dude you must be smoking some strong stuff. Care to share?!

I dont understand why your pushing a Nokia and Sony in a story about Samsung Phones

Spoiled an otherwise not bad story

Haggis said,
I dont understand why your pushing a Nokia and Sony in a story about Samsung Phones

Spoiled an otherwise not bad story

because shipping a 16MP phone when sony has a 20MP, Nokia's bandit has 20MP alledged, and the lumia 1020 has 41 puts this squarely in the evolutionary department for Samsung who clearly isn't interested in pursuing the high image quality game, at least not with this phone.

SK[ said,]Seems relevant to me however Neowin news does seem to have a lot more Microsoft articles than it did before.

lolwut.. you realise what site this is right? It might not be as slanted as MacRumors, but there's a reason for the "win" in the site name.

Haggis said,
I dont understand why your pushing a Nokia and Sony in a story about Samsung Phones

Spoiled an otherwise not bad story

its called context

ZipZapRap said,

lolwut.. you realise what site this is right? It might not be as slanted as MacRumors, but there's a reason for the "win" in the site name.

I know but if you've been coming here as long as I have you'll notice that in the past few months the number of Microsoft based articles has risen dramatically. Also when articles are put up and then are updated with an official response from Microsoft you can't help but feel Neowin are being given information directly from Microsoft to post news on.

SK[ said,]

I know but if you've been coming here as long as I have you'll notice that in the past few months the number of Microsoft based articles has risen dramatically. Also when articles are put up and then are updated with an official response from Microsoft you can't help but feel Neowin are being given information directly from Microsoft to post news on.

And I'm glad. I like hearing directly from Microsoft on rumours, speculation and new features.