Samsung to favor WP7 over Android

Samsung, one of the worlds largest handset providers, has stated that they are going to shift their focus and place more emphasis on WP7 than Android. The statement came from Sitthichoke Nopchinabutr, head of mobile marketing in Thai Samsung Electronics' Telecommunication Unit, who indicated that Samsung belives that its growth opportunities are with WP7.

Next year, Samsung will introduce 15 to 20 new smart-phone models using Android, Windows, and Brada operating systems. For every 50 smart phones using Windows, it will make 24 using Android and five using Brada.

The statement comes from asiaone.com (via wpcentral.com) as a bit of a shock considering how well the Samsung Galaxy S line has been adopted by the masses.  This report comes as a big win for Microsoft as Samsung, currently the #2 producer of cell phones in the world, has the ability to not only craft top notch devices, but to also market them effectively too. 

Microsoft is dependant on third party manufactures to produce WP7 devices. With Samsung fully backing the WP7 platform and making it the priority for 2011, we can expect a wave of quality devices to hit the marketplace in the near future. 

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OMG I use to be Die hard Wm Fanboy but this Wp7 no way there going to catch Android i mean what MS went for was a step away from openess witch Android is without lacking Hardware What Ms is pushing is the same fell for everyone who uses the Os witch in return they lock us power users out its all about Balance witch Android has Balance.

So, how are the sales of the WP7 progressing? Which O/S is leading the pack with market share? Which O/S has has been slated for peak growth by independant analysts?

So, how are the sales of the WP7 progressing? Which O/S is leading the pack with market share? Which O/S has has been slated for peak growth by independant analysts?

So, how are the sales of the WP7 progressing? Which O/S is leading the pack with market share? Which O/S has has been slated for peak growth by independant analysts?

HA HA so now instead of crappy Android phones from them now they will sell crappy Windows phones. They should stick to tv's. And yes I do own Both a crappy phone and several Wonderful Tv's so I do have GOOD Idea of what I am saying.

Not sure how much Microsoft charge for WP7. Probably very low, it is probably another money-losing business of Microsoft's, for now at least.

joysleeper said,
Not sure how much Microsoft charge for WP7. Probably very low, it is probably another money-losing business of Microsoft's, for now at least.

The cost is approximately $7 dollars per phone.

Don't underestimate the support and ease that Microsoft gives WP7 devices that takes a lot of initial device deployment and future support costs away from the device MFRs.

Just the baseline compiling and feature matching of Android to the devices and hardware is a considerable process, let alone the ongoing updates and OS revisions that the device MFR has to deal with.

Calum said,
Excellent news. I just hope more consumers switch to Windows Phones.

I'm very close to caving and getting the Samsung Focus. Only thing in the way is the $90 extra I'd have to pay to bust out of my current contract with a different carrier.

spenser.d said,

I'm very close to caving and getting the Samsung Focus. Only thing in the way is the $90 extra I'd have to pay to bust out of my current contract with a different carrier.

Yeah, I have to wait for it to come to Verizon myself... I'm not changing carriers... But I cannot wait for WP7, so I hope it comes to Verizon soon.

spenser.d said,

I'm very close to caving and getting the Samsung Focus. Only thing in the way is the $90 extra I'd have to pay to bust out of my current contract with a different carrier.

The only thing in the way for me is availability. I've resigned myself to the additional cost. SuperAMOLED+microSD is worth it for me. Now come on Rogers and get some stock to Saskatchewan stat.

Not to mention that by favoring WP7 they cannot sell their Hummingbird SOC's neither their future dual core Orion because Microsoft wants Qualcomm Snapdragons. Hard to believe

My 2 cents? I'd be alarmed if it was HTC announcing this.

None of us really know whether it is cheaper for Samsung to focus on WP7 so that they dont have to take care of updates on android, than to actually focus on android to avoid the license fee of WP7. Seriously, we dont know, do we?

Other than that, WP7 is like 2 months old. Android is what, over 2 years already? Even iOS has its own "fragmentation issues". People pointlessly compare WP7 to other phones/OSs that are not even up to par in the hardware department. So of course WP7 shines. Let's just wait until WP7 goes through their 5th major upgrade and the hardware is outdated. Apple locks people out from new features, and when they can't do that, they just stop offering updates for those devices altogether. Any recent android device running 1.5 or 1.6 is completely shameful; most are 2.0+ which are not very different tbh. Let's see what will happen when wp7 has to go through all that.

pmarini0 said,
Samsung <-> WP7 (best display)
HTC <-> Android (best build quality)
I'm ok with this.

Um... HTC is releasing WP7 devices too.

pmarini0 said,
Samsung <-> WP7 (best display)
HTC <-> Android (best build quality)
I'm ok with this.

With Samsung using NAND memory and HTC using microSD, I can say that Samsung has better buukd quality.

Android phones aren't really that profitable for the manufacturer. None of the major manufacturers make a whole lot on android as compared with the Apple does with the Iphone. So it really come as no surprise that manufactures want alternative to android.

Melfster said,
Android phones aren't really that profitable for the manufacturer. None of the major manufacturers make a whole lot on android as compared with the Apple does with the Iphone. So it really come as no surprise that manufactures want alternative to android.

And your last sentence makes sense because...? Apple makes a lot of money because they RUN the app store (and as a brand they can afford to sell the iphone at a high price anyway). Has nothing to do with android. I read the other day that the LG optimus one sold 1 million in 40 days, a first for LG. And the samsung galaxy S is doing well especially in the US.

My point is, perhaps focusing on one platform will help samsung reduce costs, especially if they don't have to work on the device updates like they have to with android, but that's it. I dont think the profitability has to do with the OS choice as much as it has to do with, well, manufacturing the damn device.

Melfster said,
Android phones aren't really that profitable for the manufacturer. None of the major manufacturers make a whole lot on android as compared with the Apple does with the Iphone. So it really come as no surprise that manufactures want alternative to android.

Apple profit from the customer, they charge average product as premium.

Melfster said,
Android phones aren't really that profitable for the manufacturer. None of the major manufacturers make a whole lot on android as compared with the Apple does with the Iphone. So it really come as no surprise that manufactures want alternative to android.

This is possibly the stupidest thing I have read in 27617 days!

Melfster said,
Android phones aren't really that profitable for the manufacturer. None of the major manufacturers make a whole lot on android as compared with the Apple does with the Iphone. So it really come as no surprise that manufactures want alternative to android.

You can't really compare anyone's profit margins to Apple's...

thealexweb said,
That really damages Samsungs chances of good growth next year

I beg to differ, sets them up for great growth potential solving every shortcoming of the platform by having a managed OS they can rely upon and focus on what they do best - hardware.

blahism said,

I beg to differ, sets them up for great growth potential solving every shortcoming of the platform by having a managed OS they can rely upon and focus on what they do best - hardware.

With Windows Phone they can only target the high-end side off the market due to price of components like 1Ghz processors, Android is flexible enough so that it can used for any form of device. The real growth in the next year is gonna be in Asia where Android is will take advantage of being free and functional on cheap devices.

thealexweb said,

With Windows Phone they can only target the high-end side off the market due to price of components like 1Ghz processors, Android is flexible enough so that it can used for any form of device. The real growth in the next year is gonna be in Asia where Android is will take advantage of being free and functional on cheap devices.


Economies of scale + time will reduce hardware costs.

thealexweb said,
That really damages Samsungs chances of good growth next year

How so? They can flood the market with specific phone hardware that meets microsoft's requirements, let them deal with the updates, so they can focus on getting the droid nuts their just desserts.

DClark said,

Economies of scale + time will reduce hardware costs.

Exactly. No one seems to understand that.

And Samsung didn't say they weren't making Android devices anymore, just fewer as they focus on WP7. So these lower end devices in emerging markets will probably ship with Android or Bada (Though I would suspect them to push Bada honestly).

I guess Microsoft's lawsuit strategy is coming to fruition: "Promote our devices while sidelining Android or we'll sue you!"

Flawed said,
I guess Microsoft's lawsuit strategy is coming to fruition: "Promote our devices while sidelining Android or we'll sue you!"

Its really unfair single microsft using lawsuit stategy. Everybody in the mobile space is suing each other. Apple is suing motorola, and htc. moto is suing apple.

Melfster said,

Its really unfair single microsft using lawsuit stategy. Everybody in the mobile space is suing each other. Apple is suing motorola, and htc. moto is suing apple.

Exactly, but the Microsoft bashers would have blocked all that out...

Thank god. I really hated what they were doing with the Android platform anyway. Samsung's latest UI on the Android platform looks too much like the iPhone. Please leave Android and go to Windows Phone 7 where you are not allowed to touch the UI.

UndergroundWire said,
Thank god. I really hated what they were doing with the Android platform anyway. Samsung's latest UI on the Android platform looks too much like the iPhone. Please leave Android and go to Windows Phone 7 where you are not allowed to touch the UI.

My educated(now) ass agrees with this comment.

yakumo said,
This after the insane popularity of the Galaxy S?

And the Nexus 2 being Samsung?

seems hard to fathom.

The Nexus 2 is a strong point indeed. My educated guess is that now that there is an alternative, or at least a potential one, OEMs are flexing muscles putting MS against Android and leveraging the competition at their advantage.

yakumo said,
This after the insane popularity of the Galaxy S?

And the Nexus 2 being Samsung?

seems hard to fathom.

Well, they didn't say they wouldn't be releasing Android devices. Likely they will release a few strong ones instead of flooding the market. I guess focusing more on WP7, but they'll still be releasing Android devices.

So, in other words...my Epic 4G will have roughly the same development life as my Samsung Moment, lol.

I enjoy Android a lot, but man, I've long suspected that vendors would drop it in a heartbeat if they didn't have to invest as much in software development. By focusing (pun!) on Windows Phones, Samsung doesn't have to pay devs to code and debug builds of Android, bouncing back and forth with carriers before users get new builds (read: expensive--and why the Android-is-free-and-superior argument is and has always been total bull).

Software running on top of the OS is always cheaper to develop than an entire distribution of the OS itself. With the WP platform, Samsung can just make hardware, drivers, and what are essentially widgets, and call it a freakin' day.

Joshie said,
So, in other words...my Epic 4G will have roughly the same development life as my Samsung Moment, lol.

I enjoy Android a lot, but man, I've long suspected that vendors would drop it in a heartbeat if they didn't have to invest as much in software development. By focusing (pun!) on Windows Phones, Samsung doesn't have to pay devs to code and debug builds of Android, bouncing back and forth with carriers before users get new builds (read: expensive--and why the Android-is-free-and-superior argument is and has always been total bull).

Software running on top of the OS is always cheaper to develop than an entire distribution of the OS itself. With the WP platform, Samsung can just make hardware, drivers, and what are essentially widgets, and call it a freakin' day.

So you don't think they have to code or debug anything to get WP7 running on a new device? Making hardware, drivers, and widgets or apps are what they have to do for Android as well. Unfortunately that's not quite as simple as you make it sound. In both cases they are handed a complete working OS and they have to write the driver code to make it run on their phone. I see little difference between the two overall. WP7 may be a little easier right now because of the hardware restrictions, but that will, hopefully for the users, change in the future. Otherwise WP7 phones will always be one step behind technologically.

Betaz said,

So you don't think they have to code or debug anything to get WP7 running on a new device? Making hardware, drivers, and widgets or apps are what they have to do for Android as well. Unfortunately that's not quite as simple as you make it sound. In both cases they are handed a complete working OS and they have to write the driver code to make it run on their phone. I see little difference between the two overall. WP7 may be a little easier right now because of the hardware restrictions, but that will, hopefully for the users, change in the future. Otherwise WP7 phones will always be one step behind technologically.

Uhh, you seriously think the amount of work vendors have to put into the software for a Windows Phone is the same as for Android? Seriously?

If you've decided to believe that, no amount of evidence or reasoning will convince you otherwise, so uh, hey, enjoy. And you might as well believe that a $5 OS ultimately costs users more than a free one while you're at it, since that seems to be the mantra of people who've decided to fanboy for Android, rather than simply use it and enjoy life.

Joshie said,
So, in other words...my Epic 4G will have roughly the same development life as my Samsung Moment, lol.

I enjoy Android a lot, but man, I've long suspected that vendors would drop it in a heartbeat if they didn't have to invest as much in software development. By focusing (pun!) on Windows Phones, Samsung doesn't have to pay devs to code and debug builds of Android, bouncing back and forth with carriers before users get new builds (read: expensive--and why the Android-is-free-and-superior argument is and has always been total bull).

Software running on top of the OS is always cheaper to develop than an entire distribution of the OS itself. With the WP platform, Samsung can just make hardware, drivers, and what are essentially widgets, and call it a freakin' day.

Yeah...

My Desire runs a ROM which is quite literally a build of the stock AOSP source bundled with a kernel (with HTC's kernel modifications). There are some additions (Google apps, Superuser, Busybox, etc), but they're purely functional. It's produced by a single, amateur, developer on the XDA forums. If one guy can do that in his spare time, I doubt the might of Samsung would have much trouble.

In addition, they're going to have to code and debug builds of Android anyway, and they've already built up expertise with it.

Betaz said,

So you don't think they have to code or debug anything to get WP7 running on a new device? Making hardware, drivers, and widgets or apps are what they have to do for Android as well. Unfortunately that's not quite as simple as you make it sound. In both cases they are handed a complete working OS and they have to write the driver code to make it run on their phone. I see little difference between the two overall. WP7 may be a little easier right now because of the hardware restrictions, but that will, hopefully for the users, change in the future. Otherwise WP7 phones will always be one step behind technologically.

You would be wrong. Microsoft writes drivers for WP7, hence the very specific hardware restrictions.

Joshie said,
So, in other words...my Epic 4G will have roughly the same development life as my Samsung Moment, lol.

I enjoy Android a lot, but man, I've long suspected that vendors would drop it in a heartbeat if they didn't have to invest as much in software development. By focusing (pun!) on Windows Phones, Samsung doesn't have to pay devs to code and debug builds of Android, bouncing back and forth with carriers before users get new builds (read: expensive--and why the Android-is-free-and-superior argument is and has always been total bull).

Software running on top of the OS is always cheaper to develop than an entire distribution of the OS itself. With the WP platform, Samsung can just make hardware, drivers, and what are essentially widgets, and call it a freakin' day.

Yeah, I agree. But having seen what these OEM's and Carriers develop, I'd just as soon they give up on that alltogether... They're not good at it, they shouldn't try, the apps and such they develop are slow, follow very strange UX paradigms, and really show no forethought whatsoever...

I have nothing against Android (Though I'm planning to get a WP7 device), but have seen what these OEM's develop for other devices and such, I really have no desire to have them mucking around in the OS... I'm THRILLED Microsoft locked down the OS with WP7.

Betaz said,

So you don't think they have to code or debug anything to get WP7 running on a new device? Making hardware, drivers, and widgets or apps are what they have to do for Android as well. Unfortunately that's not quite as simple as you make it sound. In both cases they are handed a complete working OS and they have to write the driver code to make it run on their phone. I see little difference between the two overall. WP7 may be a little easier right now because of the hardware restrictions, but that will, hopefully for the users, change in the future. Otherwise WP7 phones will always be one step behind technologically.


Nope. All Samsung do is make the hardware and hand it over to Microsoft. Microsoft then write all the drivers, load Windows Phone 7 on it, and do quality testing. All Samsung can do is submit its own apps for Microsoft to certify and preload it on the device. Microsoft also handle all the updates.

This makes a lot of sense to me and I wouldn't be surprised if other manufacturers follow Samsung down the WP7 path. Apart from the fact that this allows them to differentiate themselves in a market flooded with Android phones, the total cost to develop a WP7 phone is much less than the cost to develop an equivalent Android phone.

Android overheads include the development required to provide a functioning UI and missing apps (including associated maintenance costs), driver development and licensing costs to 3rd-parties (such as Microsoft). With Microsoft taking responsibility for the first two points above and providing a much simpler licensing model it's obvious why Samsung would make this choice.

jakem1 said,
This makes a lot of sense to me and I wouldn't be surprised if other manufacturers follow Samsung down the WP7 path. Apart from the fact that this allows them to differentiate themselves in a market flooded with Android phones, the total cost to develop a WP7 phone is much less than the cost to develop an equivalent Android phone.

Android overheads include the development required to provide a functioning UI and missing apps (including associated maintenance costs), driver development and licensing costs to 3rd-parties (such as Microsoft). With Microsoft taking responsibility for the first two points above and providing a much simpler licensing model it's obvious why Samsung would make this choice.

HTC has also said that they see WP7 as a major competitor in the mobile market.

jakem1 said,
This makes a lot of sense to me and I wouldn't be surprised if other manufacturers follow Samsung down the WP7 path. Apart from the fact that this allows them to differentiate themselves in a market flooded with Android phones, the total cost to develop a WP7 phone is much less than the cost to develop an equivalent Android phone.

Android overheads include the development required to provide a functioning UI and missing apps (including associated maintenance costs), driver development and licensing costs to 3rd-parties (such as Microsoft). With Microsoft taking responsibility for the first two points above and providing a much simpler licensing model it's obvious why Samsung would make this choice.

Android overheads? A lot of the crap is by choice, not out of necessity. I'm running an AOSP build of Android on my Samsung Captivate, and I much prefer it to TouchWiz. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the stock Android launcher that required them to build their own, they just did it to get their own spin on their device.

Good or bad for the users, I don't see how this can be seen as anything but good for the manufacturer. They could release it as is like Motorola did on the Droid, or they can add their own software like so many others are doing. Just depends on what they want to put into the phone. I'd personally like to just see phones come out with stock Android and let people buy other launchers like Launcher Pro if they want anything more.

jakem1 said,
This makes a lot of sense to me and I wouldn't be surprised if other manufacturers follow Samsung down the WP7 path. Apart from the fact that this allows them to differentiate themselves in a market flooded with Android phones, the total cost to develop a WP7 phone is much less than the cost to develop an equivalent Android phone.

Android overheads include the development required to provide a functioning UI and missing apps (including associated maintenance costs), driver development and licensing costs to 3rd-parties (such as Microsoft). With Microsoft taking responsibility for the first two points above and providing a much simpler licensing model it's obvious why Samsung would make this choice.


It definitely cheaper. All Samsung has to do is make the hardware. Microsoft preloded WP7 on its hardware and boom - ship to the store. Microsoft even handle updates itself.

I don't think i'd trust a word from a person from a company who doesn't even know their own OS is called "Bada" not "Brada". To add to that why would they do this exactly ? 5 million+ galaxy s series devices can't be wrong the head of Samsung said Android would be their key focus because that was what was in demand. I wonder how much this guy pocketed from Microsoft to say such a thing...

Digitalx said,
I don't think i'd trust a word from a person from a company who doesn't even know their own OS is called "Bada" not "Brada".

I'm pretty certain that article was written by somebody other than an employee of Samsung.

Samsung, like any other company, will go where the money is or where they think they can make money. if WP7 doesnt do well, then they will shift the focus back to android.

techbeck said,
Samsung, like any other company, will go where the money is or where they think they can make money. if WP7 doesnt do well, then they will shift the focus back to android.

That's what I thought. I think this was perhaps an initial comment from someone who isn't necessarily in the actual decision making process. The Galaxy S line has sold incredibly well, WP7 hasn't. I'd be very surprised if they stick to this stance.

Betaz said,

That's what I thought. I think this was perhaps an initial comment from someone who isn't necessarily in the actual decision making process. The Galaxy S line has sold incredibly well, WP7 hasn't. I'd be very surprised if they stick to this stance.

We actually have no idea how good or bad WP7 has sold. It seems, at least to samsung, that WP7 is doing well and will keep doing well if they make this kind of shift.

Is anyone excited for the Galaxy S phone? It's Stock Android so Samsung (hopefully) won't stink it up with their crap. But I was thinking, would Samsung pay Google to take charge of the updates for that phone?

presence06 said,
Is anyone excited for the Galaxy S phone? It's Stock Android so Samsung (hopefully) won't stink it up with their crap. But I was thinking, would Samsung pay Google to take charge of the updates for that phone?
It's supposed to be the premier next-gen Android phone. Why would Samsung have to pay Google to update it? Google should update it like they have updated the Nexus One, especially considering that it runs stock Android.

Samsung should of course cover the drivers for any unique hardware they supply.

presence06 said,
Is anyone excited for the Galaxy S phone? It's Stock Android so Samsung (hopefully) won't stink it up with their crap. But I was thinking, would Samsung pay Google to take charge of the updates for that phone?

with the nexus one, google takes care of the updates. except for europe with vodafone, nobody knows what the hell is going on there (because vodafone doesnt really disable any feature or anything). I dont think the nexus two would be any different, especially if the developers need something to call "a reference" device

They're just looking for the big $. They have ****ty support for their devices, updates are pushed out incredibly slow. They're whole developer team should be fired. Good for Samsung to lower their Android devices, make the Windows people wait for their updates and run Samsung's crapware on their phones.

presence06 said,
They're just looking for the big $. They have ****ty support for their devices, updates are pushed out incredibly slow. They're whole developer team should be fired. Good for Samsung to lower their Android devices, make the Windows people wait for their updates and run Samsung's crapware on their phones.

Gee, sounds like WP7's capabilities as a platform would address all the negative points you've made here. We don't have to wait for Samsung to update our Phones. MS tells us when updates are available.

Happy droiding.

dotf said,

Gee, sounds like WP7's capabilities as a platform would address all the negative points you've made here. We don't have to wait for Samsung to update our Phones. MS tells us when updates are available.

Happy droiding.


+1

presence06 said,
They're just looking for the big $. They have ****ty support for their devices, updates are pushed out incredibly slow. They're whole developer team should be fired. Good for Samsung to lower their Android devices, make the Windows people wait for their updates and run Samsung's crapware on their phones.
Troll much?

dotf said,

Gee, sounds like WP7's capabilities as a platform would address all the negative points you've made here. We don't have to wait for Samsung to update our Phones. MS tells us when updates are available.

Happy droiding.

Why yes indeed.

For those still confused (such as the OP), read this: http://windowsphonesecrets.com...ity-to-block-those-updates/

By the way, the Samsung crapware won't really be there. It must be able to be uninstalled and also the 4 top tiles Microsoft sets at the top CANNOT be moved by the OEM. They can only add tiles below those.

So please, educate yourself, learn and understand that Microsoft has more control over the platform than Google could ever imagine for Android (not saying Google never could get control, they obviously just don't care that much...)

dotf said,

Gee, sounds like WP7's capabilities as a platform would address all the negative points you've made here. We don't have to wait for Samsung to update our Phones. MS tells us when updates are available.

Happy droiding.

+10

I purchased the worst Android handset of them all (Xperia 10 on Rogers).

WP7 Samsung Focus rips through everything. There's no looking back!

presence06 said,

how am I trolling. Wow.

Read my previous comment.

You know nothing of what you are talking about. You are saying you can't wait for WP7 phones to be made so Samsung can neglect those by not sending out updates.

Which is completely false, they can only stop one update.

Microsoft releases WP7 v1.1, Samsung can block that...
Microsoft releases WP7 v1.2, Samsung can block that, but they can no longer block v1.1, so now they will get the v1.1 update... Get it? Got it? Good.

presence06 said,
They're just looking for the big $. They have ****ty support for their devices, updates are pushed out incredibly slow. They're whole developer team should be fired. Good for Samsung to lower their Android devices, make the Windows people wait for their updates and run Samsung's crapware on their phones.

I don't run any Samsung software on my WP7 Focus, and I'm with Samsung I prefer my WP7 to my Droid Captivate (rooted) and iPhone 4 (hijacked).

Mr aldo said,
Read my previous comment.

You know nothing of what you are talking about. You are saying you can't wait for WP7 phones to be made so Samsung can neglect those by not sending out updates.

Which is completely false, they can only stop one update.

Microsoft releases WP7 v1.1, Samsung can block that...
Microsoft releases WP7 v1.2, Samsung can block that, but they can no longer block v1.1, so now they will get the v1.1 update... Get it? Got it? Good.

Regrettably it seems that Mr. Joe Belfiore,Corporate Vice President, Windows Phone Program Management, stated something different: although it should be unlikely, OEM could block as many updates as they deem necessary.

norseman said,

+10

I purchased the worst Android handset of them all (Xperia 10 on Rogers).

WP7 Samsung Focus rips through everything. There's no looking back!

+1

The Focus' performance and responsiveness was totally unexpected. Folders is one thing I thought I needed as opposed to the long list of apps. But, the focus is so fast, I can scroll through the app list which has gotten a bit long, and find the app I'm looking for faster than I can think about what folder an app is in, open the folder, then find and open the app. Microsoft's usability testing probably already knew this would be the case. Folders would still be nice though. As fast as it is, it might get really long then I'm not sure WP7 will remain more efficient without folders in this area, but we're talking another 20 apps from now and I'm only waiting on 2

Fritzly said,

Regrettably it seems that Mr. Joe Belfiore,Corporate Vice President, Windows Phone Program Management, stated something different: although it should be unlikely, OEM could block as many updates as they deem necessary.

That doesn't seem to make sense, as MICROSOFT pushes the updates to phones OTA or through the Zune Desktop software. So I have to question that. Can you link to this official statement? I've not heard anything like that, and instead have heard nothing but the complete opposite (And it's a selling point of WP7)....

MorganX said,

+1

The Focus' performance and responsiveness was totally unexpected. Folders is one thing I thought I needed as opposed to the long list of apps. But, the focus is so fast, I can scroll through the app list which has gotten a bit long, and find the app I'm looking for faster than I can think about what folder an app is in, open the folder, then find and open the app. Microsoft's usability testing probably already knew this would be the case. Folders would still be nice though. As fast as it is, it might get really long then I'm not sure WP7 will remain more efficient without folders in this area, but we're talking another 20 apps from now and I'm only waiting on 2

Nice. I'll have to look at Samsung's phones when the OS comes to Verizon. What do you think of the call quality (Speaker)? That's my main complaint with my WinMo Omnia...

Mr aldo said,
Read my previous comment.

You know nothing of what you are talking about. You are saying you can't wait for WP7 phones to be made so Samsung can neglect those by not sending out updates.

Which is completely false, they can only stop one update.

Microsoft releases WP7 v1.1, Samsung can block that...
Microsoft releases WP7 v1.2, Samsung can block that, but they can no longer block v1.1, so now they will get the v1.1 update... Get it? Got it? Good.


Thanks for the lesson. Next time try not to be such a prick. Thanks. WP7 isn't something I read on a daily basis nor follow so excuse me for not being knowledgeable in that department. Wow..

presence06 said,


Thanks for the lesson. Next time try not to be such a prick. Thanks. WP7 isn't something I read on a daily basis nor follow so excuse me for not being knowledgeable in that department. Wow..

I apologize for being rude, however, it gets tiring when people spew loads of garbage about stuff they know absolutely nothing about.

The fact of the matter is, a quick search could have found the true answer.

That's why products get a bunch of lies spread about them, because people who know nothing about the products say things about said products when they know nothing about them, which then gets other people who know nothing about it to believe that the lie is true.

But once again, I am sorry for acting like a, as you put it, prick.

Mr aldo said,
I apologize for being rude, however, it gets tiring when people spew loads of garbage about stuff they know absolutely nothing about.

The fact of the matter is, a quick search could have found the true answer.

That's why products get a bunch of lies spread about them, because people who know nothing about the products say things about said products when they know nothing about them, which then gets other people who know nothing about it to believe that the lie is true.

But once again, I am sorry for acting like a, as you put it, prick.

I don't mind being told what I don't know. But I never said anything bad about Windows Mobile. Just going off of experience with Samsung and software updates. I admit, I know nothing about WP7. Again, all I was trying to say is that Samsung is terrible with updates and if they are moving to Windows, good luck to all those that buy their phones. I didn't know it was handled different.