Scroogled: Google blocks Microsoft's YouTube app, again

Google and Microsoft have a touchy relationship and Microsoft’s attempt to build a YouTube app for Windows Phone has resulted in Google blocking the application, twice.

Microsoft relaunched the YouTube application that it created two days ago but Google has decided the new application is still not up to their standards (they cite their TOS as the reason they blocked the app).

This is clearly another blow to the relationship between Google and Microsoft as Google has not been receptive to the launch of Windows Phone. Currently, Google does not support the OS with any of its products and dropped support for features that made it easy to add Google based email accounts to Windows Phone devices.

The Verge got the following statement from Google about the blocking of the YouTube application:

Microsoft has not made the browser upgrades necessary to enable a fully-featured YouTube experience, and has instead re-released a YouTube app that violates our Terms of Service

For those of you with a Windows Phone and want to enjoy YouTube on your mobile device, for now, at least, you will have to look for other alternatives to this app as Google and Microsoft try to amend their childish tit for tat game.

Microsoft has stated that they are working with Google to resolve the issue but there is no timeline for a potential resolution. 

Via: Verge

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"Microsoft has not made the browser upgrades necessary to enable a fully-featured YouTube experience"

But I can still access YouTube through my Windows Phone using Internet Explorer?
So... er... which browser are they talking about?

I wouldn't call an app, a browser.

i wonder if i shouldn't try to talk to my boss about this. i work in a school district handling over 10k devices. i wonder if we shouldn't block google ads for this. He and I have windows phones. We could strike back no matter how small a strike it is.

Google should just make a WP Youtube app.
And maybe Google Now and other services as well.
Then it can gather data from the WP side as well.

This is a big bonus for Microsoft because it strengthens their case of Google being anti-competitive. I like how people above have been commenting and saying that YouTube is merely a product for Google and they can please as they want except thats not how law works.

StandingInAlley said,
This is a big bonus for Microsoft because it strengthens their case of Google being anti-competitive. I like how people above have been commenting and saying that YouTube is merely a product for Google and they can please as they want except thats not how law works.

exactly. windows is Microsoft's product to do what with they please ? right? not really. In the 90s they were trying to completely integrate all of Microsoft's products into one unified experience and it was torn apart for being anti-competitive. Even a completely non-competitive product like Opera that no one cares about won a anti-trust law suit in the EU for Microsoft daring to make a browser a standard feature in an operating system. I used the youtube app for the day or so that it was usable. It's great. it's far greater experience than youtube's own ****ty m.youtube.com site. I hope google gets punished hard.

What I see here is a bunch of comments showing who hates MS and who hates Google. There are maybe a couple people actually commenting on the topic at hand.

The reality here is that Google and MS are rivals and both sides have little love for the other. so Google will ignore MS' platforms as much as possible and MS will create marketing campaigns attacking Google's privacy issues. They both sue each other over patents with MS winning some and Google winning some, sometimes resulting in product bans.

The third party in this game is Apple. The interesting thing is that Apple actually sides with MS on this fight. MS and Apple have never been adversaries like this. Most of the 'fighting' between the two is from groups of fans, not the companies themselves. They can actually get along and support each other in some ways. I think the reason Apple sides with MS has a lot to do with the fact that Google's power is advertising. Ad revenue is what keeps Google alive, not Android, not Chrome OS, ad revenue. So all of their products are different ways of serving ads and collecting information to provide ads. MS and Apple have since reacted by doing a bit of ad services themselves.

So with this particular piece, MS will have to work with Google if it wants a youtube app that has Google's blessing. If Google truly has legitimate issues with what MS did with the app, then I hope they spell those out to MS and MS can make it happen. Its pretty sad that we don't see google services supported on Windows Phone or Windows 8/RT. Google being all about ad revenue is having to avoid platforms that could expose their ads to countless more users because they have an agenda against MS.

The crazy thing is, Google is being very anal about this app since its from MS, but they ignore popular and well known apps like MetroTube and PrimeTube. I use those two all the time and I avoid all of their ads and get an interface that feels a lot more comfortable than Google's recent revisions to the YouTube site. MS will just have to do whatever it takes to make Google happy, or give up on the app.

Google should be forced to strip all adverts from YouTube by regulators so the site bleeds the company into bankruptcy.

Sounds petty from Google's side, but I guess they do what they do to suppress their competition...You've gotta strike while the iron is hot. The business world is harsh.

WTF... their response doesn't even make sense. Plus Microsoft worked with Google on this re-released app, so I don't get what breaks their ToS now. It's obvious their sabotaging.

Other sources are stating that MS didnt agree with Google on the app design so they released what thy thought didnt violate Google's TOS without Google's knowledge.

"Microsoft has not made the browser upgrades necessary to enable a fully-featured YouTube experience"

I don't understand this at all...

Microsoft refuses to support some specific non-Standard things that give browsers direct access to the hardware on your computer. If you don't mind a malicious site being able to access things like your webcam without you even knowing about it, feel free to use Chrome.

despite all people might think that android has large market share and all that most of the market share belongs to Samsung which doesn't have good relationship with google. so I think google is making **** of themselves doing such low level acts. it just makes me use more bing services even though google search may be better.

Why doesn't Google take all the energy they put into blocking this app and actually build something legit for Windows Phone?

LightEco said,
Why doesn't Google take all the energy they put into blocking this app and actually build something legit for Windows Phone?

because that would create "choice" which google hates when you don't choose them, even if it would only help their youtube service.

can you imagine if google gets more dominant? soon you won't be able to use anything that is not google on any google platform and if you don't fall in line, google wish punish you...hmm yeah, that's a great plan google. nothing wrong with that and laws against it.

COKid said,
Microsoft's arrogance never ceases to amaze me.

Microsoft's arrogance? MS have asked google plenty of times to make a youtube app, they haven't bothered. Then Google blocks WP from working properly on their site.

Tons and tons of youtube apps exist on iOS, WP and Android and I'm willing to bet that 99% of them didn't ask for permission either. Why isn't Google going after them? Please explain that.

COKid said,
Microsoft's arrogance never ceases to amaze me.

LOL. yeah, what an arrogant thing to do to support your competitor's services and their platforms like MSFT does...and google doesn't.

-Razorfold said,

Tons and tons of youtube apps exist on iOS, WP and Android and I'm willing to bet that 99% of them didn't ask for permission either. Why isn't Google going after them? Please explain that.

Probably because:

1) Those other apps are low profile while a Microsoft official app isn't.
2) The developers of those other apps haven't been actively trying to screw Google in plenty of other fronts, so Google is more likely to act permissively.

COKid said,
Microsoft's arrogance never ceases to amaze me.

what the hell you talking about. 2 years and google couldn't come up with a bloody app that Microsoft stepped up and did the best youtube app ever until they pulled it down because there were jealous it was better than the android version.

I don't know if people are messing about here or being serious.. Calling Google ridiculous and being ****ty to it's customers?

They have a product, and for another company to use it they have to abide to their rules, what's up with that? You have someone come into your house, they abide by your rules, it's the same thing, except on a much larger larger scale.

You don't even know the reasons, they could be blocking it for security risks to your information, or simply not supporting the method they do things

So MS's anti-trust was unfair too is that what you're saying? They could use their 90+% OS marketshare to make us all forced until the end of times with IE6, and not giving them any reason to restart NT during Longhorn/Vista? I mean, why would they if they have no reason to.

That's how the monopoly thing works in EU, you can not use your size for services from different services/products to gain a benefit by actively and negatively influence an individual competitor. Because this will stall progress. Its inevitable. The law of the handicap of a head start.

It's been 3 years, whats wrong with MS trying to finally give us the app, I'm tired of opening IE or using some 3rd party app. I much prefer Facebook Beta from MS over any other 3rd party one.
If it takes this public mudfight to get these things done.... Google isn't dirty of doing the same either, as a matter of fact, do you not remember the crap (for lack of a better term) Google pulled in the IE/Chrome mud fights?
And even though I didn't like all of Google's tactics and efforts with this mud fight, but I'm glad it happened.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong at all with MS trying to give us the app, it should have happened sooner. I think Google should work closely with MS and just help them get it done, and MS follow the correct TOS to get it done and accepted.

My comment was aimed at people calling a company ridiculous etc for rejecting an app that didn't meet it's terms that's all

True on that, MS wouldn't react any different towards Google if they did similar.

I just don't like their stance towards each other last few years, I thought we'd grew over that as it proved us so much good in the 90s if tech companies just continuously slap each other.

From Google's standpoint, wouldn't it benefit them to just help them get the app built? Surely more people using Youtube is better for them

It would, and this stance is only hurting them. I'm with MS mainly on this even though I don't agree with the public slapping.
But it has been 3 years and from a WP user perspective, the only thing Microsoft is doing, is provide the app to me.

yowanvista said,
It's Microsoft's fault, as always. They shouldn't have reverse-engineered YouTube's ad code.

only did so because google wouldn't open their API to them in order to sabotage their competitor OS.

Ad code isn't all that hard. It's actually quite simple: detect code snippet, replace with advert code snippet.

menifred said,
I wonder how Google would react if Microsoft released a Windows Update that "mistakenly" broke Chrome on Windows PCs

they very well should for breaking the windows TOS and require every browser to support some obsolete MSFT technology only IE has.

menifred said,
I wonder how Google would react if Microsoft released a Windows Update that "mistakenly" broke Chrome on Windows PCs
Would be a little childish, though I would love to see it.

EU lawyers are loving this for their upcoming anti-trust trials of google. using their dominant position to hurt competitors never seemed like such a slammed dunk...until google has done all it can to blow MSFT from using their entrenched video service.

Simple solution folks. Pick up an Android device or an iPhone at your local retailer. Both operating systems are pretty good. ;-)

JHBrown said,
I was simply saying that YouTube works fine on those devices. Partially teasing a little.

good job. let's reward google for their bad behavior...

seta-san said,

good job. let's reward google for their bad behavior...

I don't think it's only Google. Someone posted something way ^up^ there that showed Microsoft was to blame also. Anyhow, there are alternatives for people to use.

Unfortunately this only hurts Microsoft and Windows Phone. Most users besides us will keep seeing the app either not working or being taken down and give it a low rating in the app store, then blame Microsoft for making a bad app.

wv@gt said,
Unfortunately this only hurts Microsoft and Windows Phone. Most users besides us will keep seeing the app either not working or being taken down and give it a low rating in the app store, then blame Microsoft for making a bad app.

actually it hurts google, and users of google services more. plus you be the EU is paying close attention as google is in hot water about abuse of it's dominance online....this is WELCOMED news in EU land.

The difference though is that apps like MetroTube still work so users can still access those services. Most app users will just think Microsoft made a bad app.

wv@gt said,
The difference though is that apps like MetroTube still work so users can still access those services. Most app users will just think Microsoft made a bad app.
If you read the reviews, everyone blames google... so they know who is crippling the app.

adrynalyne said,
Because Microsoft's Scroogled campaign is mature?

ads are ads. apple made a business out of airing ads that were trolling MSFT. it is very different from using your dominant position to hurt your very customers, or to break your competitor's apps...even if those apps help people reach your service.

what google is doing is worse than MSFT was at its most evil back in the 90s. and how did that work for MSFT? google has to learn, and will learn, all this leads is to a disaster coming their way.

ichi said,

Pretty well, I'd say.

you think? decades of oversight, billions in fines, and overall bad PR. google will be WISE to stop this trend, or they will be the chewing toy of regulators. Then again, it is EXACTLY what MSFT is aiming for.

neonspark said,

you think? decades of oversight, billions in fines, and overall bad PR. google will be WISE to stop this trend, or they will be the chewing toy of regulators. Then again, it is EXACTLY what MSFT is aiming for.

Yet they are at the top of the tech industry, so it all did pay off after all.

ichi said,

Yet they are at the top of the tech industry, so it all did pay off after all.


Because MS never stopped controlling the cooperate market.
Google has no such behind the scenes control, not even close.

Shadowzz said,

Because MS never stopped controlling the cooperate market.
Google has no such behind the scenes control, not even close.

They got to control the market. Getting their hands slapped afterwards doesn't change a thing, which was my point exactly.

Microsoft is a **** poor example about wrongdoings not paying off.

ichi said,

They got to control the market. Getting their hands slapped afterwards doesn't change a thing, which was my point exactly.

Microsoft is a **** poor example about wrongdoings not paying off.


Yeah okay, but not every company can get away with it like MS could. MS was already settled in very deep in most of the world. Where as honestly, I cant think of a service Google provides which can't be replaced like Facebook replaced Myspace.
I think Google is wrong to think they can pull the same moves Microsoft has in the past.
Only thing they are nested in deep is internet advertisement, which they need the userbase of their services for to keep affective. And what most of their userbase use... youtube, gmail, chrome etc... can easily be replaced.

M_Lyons10 said,

Not Google!

That should be the company motto. lol

Neither does MS...or else they wouldnt of went behind Google's back when they were supposed to, and stated, to be working with them. Makes MS look just as bad.

techbeck said,

Neither does MS...or else they wouldnt of went behind Google's back when they were supposed to, and stated, to be working with them. Makes MS look just as bad.

wait a minute have you see how many MSFT apps are in the android store? look for google apps in the MSFT store. notice the difference? now who is "not working"? seems google is the one set on not playing ball...now are actively breaking that which they got create for free and only benefits them.

they hate MSFT so much to the point that if you're a consumer that doesn't play ball with google, google will attack you by actively seeking to break your experience of their services...just because you didn't buy their OS. what a nice company.

neonspark said,
now who is "not working"? seems google is the one set on not playing ball...now are actively breaking that which they got create for free and only benefits them.

When MS releases a statement saying they are working closely with Google on the issues with Youtube, and then it is shown here were not...it makes MS look bad and hypocritical.

And Good for MS writing Android apps. Doesnt make Google obligated to do the same. It sucks Google isnt doing this, but at the same time...cannot make them do so. I know if I was constantly harassing a company with crap ads...I wouldnt have any desire to do anything to benefit another platform.

Like I said previously, both companies are acting childish. No one is in the clear here.

techbeck said,

When MS releases a statement saying they are working closely with Google on the issues with Youtube, and then it is shown here were not...it makes MS look bad and hypocritical.

And Good for MS writing Android apps. Doesnt make Google obligated to do the same. It sucks Google isnt doing this, but at the same time...cannot make them do so. I know if I was constantly harassing a company with crap ads...I wouldnt have any desire to do anything to benefit another platform.

Like I said previously, both companies are acting childish. No one is in the clear here.

such statement was already released. you just don't read

and yes google doesn't have to, but then their founder came out and said they were wishing MSFT would cooperate more...as they do this? heh.

google can right now block every windows and iOS user if they want. are they allowed? sure. it will not be without consequences. Let not remember that abusing your power is something that anti-trust bodies very much don't like to see.

Furthermore, one thing is to decide not to develop for MSFT platforms, its their loss, but if they are being given an awesome app which puts to shame their own, and it is better than what they would ever develop, you don't go an PUNISH the users of the app. Punishing users is bad PR, and horrible move by google.

ads are ads. get over it. google isn't a little girl that is hurt by ads, and nothing they can say or do can ever justify punishing users....which they are.

google is 100% at fault here.

neonspark said,

such statement was already released. you just don't read

A statement was released stating MS is working on the new issue with the new app with Google. Yes, i know. I read. And I made comments previously about that. My point was they were supposed to be working with Google before and stated as such but apparently, they were not. So yea, I did read.

This whole thing started when MS released their first app which allowed for the downloading of videos and no ads which takes money away from the developers producing the videos. But I guess that was fare. The second issue was because MS didnt keep Google in the loop.

But you are right...100% Google's fault.....

techbeck said,

When MS releases a statement saying they are working closely with Google on the issues with Youtube, and then it is shown here were not...it makes MS look bad and hypocritical.

And Good for MS writing Android apps. Doesnt make Google obligated to do the same. It sucks Google isnt doing this, but at the same time...cannot make them do so. I know if I was constantly harassing a company with crap ads...I wouldnt have any desire to do anything to benefit another platform.

Like I said previously, both companies are acting childish. No one is in the clear here.


You don't know the rest of the story like the rest of us. If we go assume reasoning, then why don't we counter-reason with... what if Google still didn't cooperate and left MS hanging?

Shadowzz said,

You don't know the rest of the story like the rest of us. If we go assume reasoning, then why don't we counter-reason with... what if Google still didn't cooperate and left MS hanging?

And that could very well of happened. I am just going by what several sites are quoting sources. And if it comes out that Google knew and was not cooperating, will be with others stating Google was wrong and shouldnt of done that.

techbeck said,

And that could very well of happened. I am just going by what several sites are quoting sources. And if it comes out that Google knew and was not cooperating, will be with others stating Google was wrong and shouldnt of done that.


hehe, yeah, I'm just suggesting it, most seem to stare at one part/view of it.
I don't like neither doing this, but if this b*tch fight has to happen from both sides to get stuff done from one another... It has been proven beneficial for us users in the past...well in the end usually at least
I'm leaning towards MS though for the simple reason, Why isn't there a (semi-) official youtube app? Just like MS and Nokia provide me(us) with other semi-official apps from other services/features due to lack of actual owner/developer caring. Why continuously stop the Youtube app from happening. From a user stand point, MS just tries to give me the app, and Google is stopping this from happening.

Why Neowin is not writting an article about the atrocious Google Play Store?
I have paid more than 700 apps and nothing works the last 2 months at least.
Google should focus to the basics first.

You just don't understand tech blogs! You can't introduce so many sensationalized articles into the wild at the same time! THATS JUST CRAZY!!!

adrynalyne said,
My Play Store works. Don't let that get in the way of blaming Google though.

bet you are from us. Ask europe. Even google today or yesterday admit it. finally... Bunch of amateurs. You are one lucky sir, believe me...

bladerunner82 said,

bet you are from us. Ask europe. Even google today or yesterday admit it. finally... Bunch of amateurs. You are one lucky sir, believe me...

Not sure what you are talking about. I'm from EU and my Google Play works fine on all my devices.

Neowin is a Microsoft inclined site, trying to defend Google here is like selling Bacon and Ham Sandwich inside an Islamic Village...

Let's put it this way....Microsoft could care less about Google and Google could care even less about Microsoft. They are two children who will never learn how to treat each other nicely.

#Michael said,
Let's put it this way....Microsoft could care less about Google and Google could care even less about Microsoft. They are two children who will never learn how to treat each other nicely.

funny way to show MSFT doesn't care by porting all their services to google, openly and fairly. even making apps google wont bringing revenue to google. such a childish thing to do, being open and all. it is exactly the same as google, blocking MSFT at every turn and refusing to support MSFT platforms from windows 7, to RT. over 1.5 BILLION users right there, google hates.

They better be careful or they're going to end up with some anti-trust action trying to use the dominant market position of youtube to suppress competition in mobile.

Well, Microsoft is still going after everyone who is producing Android Phone and asking them for money so they can offer them protection from Microsoft

It is exactly what the mob does, pay us to protect you from us

Now Microsoft needs google very, very much, well, good luck with that

john.smith_2084 said,
Well, Microsoft is still going after everyone who is producing Android Phone and asking them for money so they can offer them protection from Microsoft

It is exactly what the mob does, pay us to protect you from us

Now Microsoft needs google very, very much, well, good luck with that

if that is the case, resolve it in court and leave consumers out. this only hurts google, not to mention the EU is watching them abuse their power. remember how much they loved when MSFT loved to throw their weight around? how did that work remind me?

neonspark said,

if that is the case, resolve it in court and leave consumers out.
Considering Google's track record thus far in that regard (consistent losses), I can understand why they haven't gone that route.

As a consumer I'm disappointed that Google forced them to remove the download option. You aren't consuming any bandwidth or data, it's essentially the same as not watching the video. Potential revenue over customer satisfaction and freedom wins again.

That's precisely how I feel too. They don't produce a single product that I need or want to use. Just a load of second rate junk and YouTube is probably up there with the worst of it.

Each time I see people like techbeck rushing to defend an advertising company and their dodgy tactics it just makes me laugh.

jakem1 said,
That's precisely how I feel too. They don't produce a single product that I need or want to use. Just a load of second rate junk and YouTube is probably up there with the worst of it.

Each time I see people like techbeck rushing to defend an advertising company and their dodgy tactics it just makes me laugh.

After reading the comments on other sites, the real comedy is right here. Eh! Eh yo! Scroogle! Right everyone?! RIGHT!?! HELLO!!? PLEASE!!!? HELLO!?? Scro... No? oh...

littleneutrino said,
and until they resolve it, the perfectly working youtube app i used to have is now, non functional

Download MetroTube. Working great!

I wonder if anyone at Google checked the new Youtube app to see if it still violates any TOS? Also, from what I am reading, Google is saying, that because they don't like IE, they blocked the Youtube app.

Note that you can use IE on WP to view Youtube.

Comments here are hilarious. This app should of never been released since Google apparently had no knowledge that it would be. And like the OP failed to mention in the source, Google was not aware of the apps intended release.

But hey, lets all blame one side here without knowing or understanding the facts.

So you're telling me that Google is aware of all the other "YouTube" apps on the Microsoft Store? If so; why haven't they been blocked for violating ToS?

techbeck said,
Comments here are hilarious. This app should of never been released since Google apparently had no knowledge that it would be. And like the OP failed to mention in the source, Google was not aware of the apps intended release.

But hey, lets all blame one side here without knowing or understanding the facts.

Most on neowin don't care for facts. Much more fun to just assume Microsoft's rival is in the wrong.

You would be right... If Google also blocked all the third party apps that violate the TOS.

And they don't. Which means they're just being dicks with the official app.

Seketh said,
You would be right... If Google also blocked all the third party apps that violate the TOS.

And they don't. Which means they're just being dicks with the official app.

And they still might. I remember Facebook taking down apps as well for violation trademarks. So this isnt new to companies. Apple also didnt go after all the companies violating they designs.

Fact is, MS released an app without consulting Google and the two were reportedly working together on this. So blame Google all you want...they are both behaving childish here. This is not one sided.

techbeck said,

And they still might. I remember Facebook taking down apps as well for violation trademarks. So this isnt new to companies. Apple also didnt go after all the companies violating they designs.

Fact is, MS released an app without consulting Google and the two were reportedly working together on this. So blame Google all you want...they are both behaving childish here. This is not one sided.

no it's not one sided but google is definitely being the bigger dick here. truth is an official app could have been finished a long time ago if google was truely serious about getting it out. and another truth is google made a bee line to block MS' app when they've hardly touched the other 3rd party apps on WP (which also most likely break their TOS. probably to a bigger extent)

Edited by Brando212, Aug 15 2013, 6:41pm :

techbeck said,
Comments here are hilarious. This app should of never been released since Google apparently had no knowledge that it would be. And like the OP failed to mention in the source, Google was not aware of the apps intended release.

But hey, lets all blame one side here without knowing or understanding the facts.

you assume google did not know MSFT was going to release the app which they helped them build after both companies announced they would build together? how did they not know? BS. this is just google spin.

neonspark said,

you assume google did not know MSFT was going to release the app which they helped them build after both companies announced they would build together? how did they not know? BS. this is just google spin.

Do a little research and not just what NeoWIN spoon feeds people. Their source, and other states have stated sources, that Google as not away of what was going on and MS did their own thing without consulting Google.

Brando212 said,
no it's not one sided but google is definitely being the bigger dick here. truth is an official app could have been finished a long time ago if google was truely serious about getting it out. and another truth is google made a bee line to block MS' app when they've hardly touched the other 3rd party apps on WP (which also most likely break their TOS. probably to a bigger extent)

They are both are equal in the being a dick department. And i am sure this wont be hte last we hear of this either.

Seketh said,
You would be right... If Google also blocked all the third party apps that violate the TOS.

And they don't. Which means they're just being dicks with the official app.

How can it be an official YouTube app if Google doesn't approve of it? The last time I checked they own the trademark. The difference between this app and all the third party ones like MetroTube right now is that Microsoft is branding this one like an official app which it isn't. You can't just take someone else's trademarks and logos and throw it on whatever you want without their permission.

techbeck said,

Do a little research and not just what NeoWIN spoon feeds people. Their source, and other states have stated sources, that Google as not away of what was going on and MS did their own thing without consulting Google.

google opened the API for them, after the cease and desist notice. how can google not know about this app, when it couldn't have shown the ads without google's own permission.

techbeck said,
This app should of never been released since Google apparently had no knowledge that it would be.

HOLY COW!
It's a Windows Phone app that is built by Microsoft and released on the Windows Marketplace for Windows Phone users. It relies upon publicly-accessible APIs that non-Microsoft businesses employ for their own apps across a myriad of marketplaces -- including the very same Windows Marketplace.

Google is simply crying wolf. They should stop their childish behavior and grow a pair: if Google doesn't like how Microsoft is broadening the YouTube user base, then maybe Google should build the damn Windows Phone app themselves!!!

Dear Google & Microsoft
or
Dear Microsoft & Google

You are being *******s to your customers. Put your adult pants on and someone call the other to address the issue and act as adults should. You are not in high school and your little bitch-fest just craps on your customers. In case you have forgotten, your customer bases overlap.

Grow up and do it quickly for the sake of both of your customers.

Sincerely,

A customer you both share

zeke009 said,
Dear Google & Microsoft
or
Dear Microsoft & Google

You are being *******s to your customers. Put your adult pants on and someone call the other to address the issue and act as adults should. You are not in high school and your little bitch-fest just craps on your customers. In case you have forgotten, your customer bases overlap.

Grow up and do it quickly for the sake of both of your customers.

Sincerely,

A customer you both share

yeah MSFT being a pain to consumers for like supporting office on iOS and android, along with just about all their services. google clearly returning the favor with this latest move.

zeke009 said,
Dear Google & Microsoft
or
Dear Microsoft & Google

You are being *******s to your customers. Put your adult pants on and someone call the other to address the issue and act as adults should. You are not in high school and your little bitch-fest just craps on your customers. In case you have forgotten, your customer bases overlap.

Grow up and do it quickly for the sake of both of your customers.

Sincerely,

A customer you both share


+1

neonspark said,

yeah MSFT being a pain to consumers for like supporting office on iOS and android, along with just about all their services. google clearly returning the favor with this latest move.


Actually they sell Office to IOS and Android...

Fritzly said,

Actually they sell Office to IOS and Android...

exactly. don't want to use windows? ok with MSFT. They'll let you live your life in iOS and Android.

google, if you don't use android, boy, get ready for the rage of the google coming down on you breaking your google services until you comply! and use their OS.

neonspark said,

exactly. don't want to use windows? ok with MSFT. They'll let you live your life in iOS and Android.

google, if you don't use android, boy, get ready for the rage of the google coming down on you breaking your google services until you comply! and use their OS.

If Android had WindowsPhone's marketshare and WP was the top dog, would you be seeing Office there? Because I'm not seeing Office for, say, Linux.

ichi said,

If Android had WindowsPhone's marketshare and WP was the top dog, would you be seeing Office there? Because I'm not seeing Office for, say, Linux.

But you do see it for mac, which has a comparable market share.

SierraSonic said,
But you do see it for mac, which has a comparable market share.

And you had official apps for Google services on the iPhone until Apple decided to remove them and replace Google Maps with their own app.

Basically neither of them is actually aknowledging the third player in the platforms they respectively dominate, so there's not much Microsoft can complain about.

ichi said,

And you had official apps for Google services on the iPhone until Apple decided to remove them and replace Google Maps with their own app.

Basically neither of them is actually aknowledging the third player in the platforms they respectively dominate, so there's not much Microsoft can complain about.

I can say that for sure Microsoft offers more support for Linux than Google does for windows phone as they do not cripple office from running in Wine.

COKid said,
Microsoft? Breaking the rules? Heavens, I never would have thought it possible.

google being closed and anti-competitive? yeah, that's rare.

Meanwhile, Metrotube works fine and probably violates most of their TOS.

This is nothing but Google trying to make MS look bad.

Shyatic said,
Meanwhile, Metrotube works fine and probably violates most of their TOS.

This is nothing but Google trying to make MS look bad.

I believe other youtube WP apps stopped working for a bit as well but were updated and worked again? I didn't look into it though.

tsupersonic said,
Crazy. I wonder what Microsoft is violating in the TOS.

Crazy right? crazy that you haven't read any of the other comments on here that indicate what they did! :rollseyes

SirEvan said,

Crazy right? crazy that you haven't read any of the other comments on here that indicate what they did! :rollseyes

No, because I posted that comment very early on before the mass amount of comments - thus I was responding to the story not any particular comment. Hint: Look at time stamps next time

SirEvan said,
Crazy right? crazy that you haven't read any of the other comments on here that indicate what they did! :rollseyes

****. This might be the Internet, but tsupersonic is positing an extremely valid point that is worth repeating: Google keeps deferring to their 1-of-24-but-they're-consolidated-into-a-SUPER-1 TOS without highlighting the specific terms or interpretation.

In contract law, there is the idea of severability: when a section doesn't hold a candle upon review it can be severed and leave the rest of the contract otherwise intact. The same concept traditionally applies to TOS... but maybe it shouldn't... maybe TOS should get thrown out wholesale whenever they are abused by the service provider!

deja vu....and I literally just updated to the new version of the app like 3 hours ago, thinking that the least I can do is watch a few ads for google since they were so nice in allowing Microsoft to work with them...

Have to wait and see exactly what the problem is now. All that is known apparently is that MS violated Google's TOS.

The Verge updated the article. Apparently MS and Google are in talks about getting this issue resolved.

techbeck said,
Have to wait and see exactly what the problem is now. All that is known apparently is that MS violated Google's TOS.

The Verge updated the article. Apparently MS and Google are in talks about getting this issue resolved.


MS didn't violate anything. Google don't want windows phone to offer google services because they are afraid of the market share growth of windows phone platform. such a shame. another negative point on google's folio

S3P€hR said,

MS didn't violate anything. Google don't want windows phone to offer google services because they are afraid of the market share growth of windows phone platform. such a shame. another negative point on google's folio

exactly. if google is so dismissive of WP, they are sure freaked out about that they will do ANYTHING even risking giving the EU anti-trust ammunition to fight alternatives to their monopoly.

S3P€hR said,

MS didn't violate anything. Google don't want windows phone to offer google services because they are afraid of the market share growth of windows phone platform. such a shame. another negative point on google's folio

Riiiiight. Their first violated a ton of things. Being able to download videos, showing no ads. And the 2nd app was released without Google knowing about it. But hey, MS didnt violate anything here.

I thought they updated the app and now it shows the ads?

"Microsoft has not made the browser upgrades necessary"

What does Google even mean by this?

neonspark said,

exactly. if google is so dismissive of WP, they are sure freaked out about that they will do ANYTHING even risking giving the EU anti-trust ammunition to fight alternatives to their monopoly.

The problem being that in the EU, Google is not yet a monopoly. But then again it is EU. Who knows how they roll?

techbeck said,

Riiiiight. Their first violated a ton of things. Being able to download videos, showing no ads. And the 2nd app was released without Google knowing about it. But hey, MS didnt violate anything here.


there are tons of third party apps that does the same thing. Plus the first time they pulled it down and they fixed it and they put it back on why would they get permission when they removed download feature and added ad support? why they are violating now?

siah1214 said,
It showed ads and didn't allow you to download the video. WTF more can you want?

to switch your browser to chome on the OS?... remember they wanted "browser upgrades"... that in their minds would be one </s>

siah1214 said,
It showed ads and didn't allow you to download the video. WTF more can you want?

The question is If google doesn't care about Windows Phone because its so naive and have such a small market share, why do they throw stones at it, aren't they afraid of something?

S3P€hR said,

The question is If google doesn't care about Windows Phone because its so naive and have such a small market share, why do they throw stones at it, aren't they afraid of something?

Google is well aware that the only thing between them and Windows Phone is apps right now.

Cyborg_X said,
all your infos
. Exactly...
and let me get this straight.
Google shows a compete lack or respect for the copyrights of 1000s of videos it hosts, has a complete disregard for the patent system (whether you like it or not) and they expect a company to respect its Terms of Service... What a bunch of a***h***s.

MOS6510 said,
. Exactly...
and let me get this straight.
Google shows a compete lack or respect for the copyrights of 1000s of videos it hosts, has a complete disregard for the patent system (whether you like it or not) and they expect a company to respect its Terms of Service... What a bunch of a***h***s.

Umm... They host hundreds of thousands of videos and thousands get uploaded every day. You can't expect them to review every one of them before they go live. They have created algorithms to mitigate a large chunk of it but the truth is that most of the time the videos don't go down until the the copyright holders say something. Once that happens they checksum it and analyze it so it doesn't get uploaded again. I see content going down every day so I know they are doing their job. Sometimes content sticks around for years though but other times it goes down within days. Depends on how fast they are on getting to it.

EDIT: Typo above... can should of been can't in the second sentence...

Edited by shinji257, Aug 16 2013, 12:17am :

MOS6510 said,
. Exactly...
and let me get this straight.
Google shows a compete lack or respect for the copyrights of 1000s of videos it hosts, has a complete disregard for the patent system (whether you like it or not) and they expect a company to respect its Terms of Service... What a bunch of a***h***s.

Yet Microsoft want access to all of what you say on their mobile platform?? Heh :-P

siah1214 said,
didn't allow you to download the video. WTF more can you want?

'I Pipe' - Great new app for people without a hard drive.Never worry about breaking copyright again

"can expect them to review every one of them before they go live. "

well, yes, that's exactly what I expect. Google skated on this by being backdoored into the DMCA. But they are still copyright thieves.

Major_Plonquer said,
"can't expect them to review every one of them before they go live. "

well, yes, that's exactly what I expect. Google skated on this by being backdoored into the DMCA. But they are still copyright thieves.

When you design a system that is efficient at doing that without users complaining about the delay you let me know then.

btw fixed my typo in your quote...

paulheu said,

Google is well aware that the only thing between them and Windows Phone is apps right now.


I would even go further. The selling point of android devices is apps specially google services apps. since architecturally Windows Phone is more stable, performant and robust platform. There are users backing up my claim.