Shift Linux Needs Developers

Neowin's own Shift Linux is in desperate need of developers and community members who can assist with the final phase of this project. Unfortunately our primary developer cannot continue at this time, thereby stalling the project until we have new members who are willing to devote time to get our final public version out the door. We have many talented graphics and web design members who have spent a good amount of time creating the vehicles to deliver a quality distribution.

Because this is a community project, and so many of our community members have contributed to it already, we would like to complete this project as soon as possible. However, since this is a Linux distribution that represents the Neowin community, we do not want to deliver an inferior product. Our distribution has been licensed by LMI as well as picked up by websites such as Distrowatch, so we have gained some exposure and attention that we would like to see through to its fruition. For that reason we're asking our Neowin community to help us get this distribution finalized.

If you have the time, motivation, and desire to help us with this project, please PM Barney for further details.

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Good luck guys I'm glad somone said something I was just wondering about the projects status yesterday and noticed the last build was quite old.

I've got about 6 weeks of holiday, so I'm willing to help out now and again (still have tons of work personally)
I'm ok for some minor graphic work and testing as I have an old pc spare.

MXV

If i knew how to develop unix i would help out but all i can do is bug test and bring new idea's etc

If you need testers im open

As far as I can tell, Neowin is a tech news site, somewhat focused on MS Windows. Neowin forums are general forums but with the largest sections devoted to Windows as well.

So what is the purpose of this Neowin Shift Linux? Is it meant to be a Linux distro that is tolerable for windows users to try? Will it have an explorer-like file manager and shell? Perhaps windows-like control panels?

Why should I care about it?

Thrawn said,
As far as I can tell, Neowin is a tech news site, somewhat focused on MS Windows. Neowin forums are general forums but with the largest sections devoted to Windows as well.

So what is the purpose of this Neowin Shift Linux? Is it meant to be a Linux distro that is tolerable for windows users to try? Will it have an explorer-like file manager and shell? Perhaps windows-like control panels?

Why should I care about it?

I believe (i dont know much about it though) that it is just a pet project of Neowin... Just being done to be done basically

You know -- I don't want to sound mean but Marduk makes a valid point. In a world of so many *nix distros, why create another? There are only so many opensource & linux programmers in the world...

My suggestion is to make what's out there even better! *buntu, fedora, mandriva, slackware, opensuse, knoppix, etc etc. You get my drift.

johnorien said,
You know -- I don't want to sound mean but Marduk makes a valid point. In a world of so many *nix distros, why create another? There are only so many opensource & linux programmers in the world...

My suggestion is to make what's out there even better! *buntu, fedora, mandriva, slackware, opensuse, knoppix, etc etc. You get my drift.

Before we go making things better, we have to know how

simon360 said,

Before we go making things better, we have to know how ;)

truth, the best way as a dev to do something better is to start a basic representation of the end product and work from there, then down the road do a rewrite with all the knowledge you now have into a finely polished product

johnorien said,
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My suggestion is to make what's out there even better! *buntu, fedora, mandriva, slackware, opensuse, knoppix, etc etc. You get my drift.
I think that the biggest difference from that, and what the Shift direction currently is (since both those directions start with an existing distro), is that doing it themselves, they have full decision-making power. If they worked on Ubuntu or Fedora (or whatever) as part of their team, then they would just be making suggestions, and ideas may not be implemented.

I am thankful to all who have responded here. Please take a look how we are creating this distro HERE. If this looks like something you'd like to tackle, I am happy to help you with it.

For those of you who want to create a distro from scratch, please be my guest. You are free to create whatever your heart desires. Remember that Shift Linux is now trademarked.

As a community, not all of us have the skills to do that. We picked the way to get the most members of the community active in the process. But, as part of our forum rules, we want NO distro trolling.

so its not a from scratch distro because not all members can do that, not all members can do graphics so can't have new graphics, not all members can do shell scripting, not all members can use linux bla bla bla, soon with that thought process there'll be no distro.

wouldn't it be better to have those who can do graphics doing the graphics, those who can do the from scratch stuff doing so and as many members doing what they can do to make a proper distro. it's a lot better to have a larger team consiting of people with expertise in certain areas rather than a small team trying to do everything.

16535 said,
so its not a from scratch distro because not all members can do that, not all members can do graphics so can't have new graphics, not all members can do shell scripting, not all members can use linux bla bla bla, soon with that thought process there'll be no distro.

wouldn't it be better to have those who can do graphics doing the graphics, those who can do the from scratch stuff doing so and as many members doing what they can do to make a proper distro. it's a lot better to have a larger team consiting of people with expertise in certain areas rather than a small team trying to do everything.

Yes.. the way that you've described is the way that we have it currently set up. We are short on the developer side.

Barney said,
Remember that Shift Linux is now trademarked.

Instead of worrying about trademarks, why not worry about gaining developers and actually getting something off the ground. Or is this more of a 'look-at-what-we-can-do-over-here-at-Neowin' type thing?

I might be way off base, but thats how it seems to me.

phantasmorph said,

Instead of worrying about trademarks, why not worry about gaining developers and actually getting something off the ground. Or is this more of a 'look-at-what-we-can-do-over-here-at-Neowin' type thing?

I might be way off base, but thats how it seems to me.

from what i see, 'they' just seem interested in getting something out that looks like neowin so take the theming option rather than actually making a distro

16535 said,
what i see, 'they' just seem interested in getting something out that looks like neowin so take the theming option rather than actually making a distro

Since you obviously have no interest in this at all, then why do you keep complaining? A couple people have already mentioned that it's a learning project to be able to do something bigger in the future. IMHO all you've done is troll through this entire thread like an immature kid.

If you don't care for it then stop complaining and ignore it.

I've been using linux for the past year and a half and been programming for 9 years. I've never been a dev, though, so I don't want to be responsible for driving the project into the ground....

CrimsonRedMk said,
If I just knew how to write code and such... I would certainly help...any other open positions...not involving coding or developing?

Take a look at how we create this distro (in the link that I provided)... it isn't as hard as it sounds.

markjensen said,
Testing & Bug Reporting. Graphics. Seeding torrents.

Off the top of my head.

Where are the links to the torrents? On shiftlinux.net i can only find a full download link

as i (and a few others) said when this first started, i'd be willing to help if it was a proper distro, not just an existing one rethemed and put out there

The plan for now is to have a rebadged distro for us all to learn as none of us have the experience or even the time to do LFS but it's possible in the future.

Please do not take this as flame bait, slamming, trolling, or any other non-constructive criticism.

What will this distro offer that isn't already offered by the millions (hyperbole) of other distros that already exist? There is enough diversity in all of the common distro niches. Why spend the effort on creating yet another distro, when that same effort could be spent improving an existing one that in turn will have a greater chance of positively impacting the Linux community?

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It still seems intrest is high.

I have my kids' football season starting up again (started last week), so am pretty much not available for any meaningful blocks of time. I will continue to download and test, plus participate in the forum as-needed. But I cannot offer much more than that (which was roughly my involvement in the past).

If there is still a Fluxbox WM option to Shift, I will likely focus on that.

I said I'll help, but I don't have time right now. By mid August, I'll be done exams, and I'll have time.

Express said,
So the developer gets a share of the fees obtained from licensing or CD sales?

Hopeful aren't you?