Sized Up: Xbox One is massive compared to the PS4

The Xbox One is a big console, there is no hiding this fact. But when you put it next to the PS4, you begin to understand how big it actually is. In fact, it reminds us of the first Xbox, as that console was also, quite large.

In the image above, you can see the PS4 sitting on-top of the Xbox One, courtesy of PCgamers.de. Even when placed next to the Xbox 360, the One is still quite large.

But does size really matter? To most gamers, probably not. Seeing that the Xbox One is a device that is designed to stay inside your AV cabinet, being portable is not an important attribute for the console.

Also, don’t forget that the PS4 has its power-supply built in, while the Xbox One has an external power unit.

There are likely loads of reasons why the console is so large, one likely being the need to keep all the components cool. Back when the Xbox 360 launched, it was plagued by defective units and seeing the size of the Xbox One, Microsoft likely spared no expense to keep the console from over-heating.

Source: PCgamers.de

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Is there some reason why size is important?
Console aren't portable.
Seems people want them to be small, smaller the better.
Bet when it comes to PC cases it seems to be the opsite, the bigger the case, the cooler you are.
Xbox One is just perfect the way it is. Best design ever.

While the functionality battle between the two can be debated until the end, I believe when it comes to looks they are both somewhat ugly. However, I give some props to Sony for managing to make a smaller console. Any time you can make parts smaller and result in a smaller product is a form of innovation. But I still think my black slim xbox looks better than both of the new consoles. Just my opinion though.

I'm much preferring the XB1 look at the moment, although i haven;t had a chance to see either of them in the flesh just yet.

It's big and bulky like most home ent equipment, looks like a solid piece of kit and lacks the stupid bling of odd glowing lights everywhere, making in much more suitable for the living room.

Tuck that beaut away in the cabinet or rack and just have the camera mounted on the TV and it should do the job nicely.

It's just the big difference between Sony's philosophy (let's make something extraordinary, the best we can) and Microsoft's lately (let's make something that works with preferably minimal effort).

Sony is a hardware company. All their hardware just radiates top-notch engineering. They're the only ones with a whole line of proper waterproof phones that don't look like rubber bricks. They have the smallest full-frame cameras on the market (by far, and they outperform nearly all DSLRs). In 2011/2012 they put a full-voltage quadcore i7 in a laptop thinner than almost all ultrabooks (as high as a VGA-port) and still kept the battery life gigantic.

If there's one thing Sony can do it's hardware, there's no denying that. They have tons of experience and have had some of the most innovating hardware on the market before anyone else.

It's time they focused on their software now, they seem to dropping the ball a little at times, luckily it's in the non-gaming part. From what we've heard the actual gaming software and dev environment is actually better than Microsoft's, which is a good thing.

Sony is a failing company and that's because their hardware is anything but top notch. They were a top notch company in the past but poor products and strategy has lost them billions in the last decade. Wasn't it like 6 billion in the red last year? The PS4 is kind of their last gasp at recovery but so far it's looking like last decade's product.

Wow... you are so over a top that it's not even funny... What is looking like a last decade product, and I mean "looking" as in visually, is the Xbox1, which is ridiculously massive.

XboxUno is bulky, no aesthetics at all. And on top of that this system is not just one brick, - it's two bricks, with the second one being the power unit. So clearly Sony is the better and more competent hardware company here.

Ambroos said,
It's just the big difference between Sony's philosophy (let's make something extraordinary, the best we can) and Microsoft's lately (let's make something that works with preferably minimal effort).

Sony is a hardware company. All their hardware just radiates top-notch engineering. They're the only ones with a whole line of proper waterproof phones that don't look like rubber bricks. They have the smallest full-frame cameras on the market (by far, and they outperform nearly all DSLRs). In 2011/2012 they put a full-voltage quadcore i7 in a laptop thinner than almost all ultrabooks (as high as a VGA-port) and still kept the battery life gigantic.

If there's one thing Sony can do it's hardware, there's no denying that. They have tons of experience and have had some of the most innovating hardware on the market before anyone else.

It's time they focused on their software now, they seem to dropping the ball a little at times, luckily it's in the non-gaming part. From what we've heard the actual gaming software and dev environment is actually better than Microsoft's, which is a good thing.

You sir are just plain wrong and i'm not a fan boy on either side.
Sony has some big internal company issues and cash flow problems to deal with right now. MS on the other hand has been putting a lot of work in to their new crop of hardware products. Far from 'let's make something that works with preferably minimal effort'. In fact i'd go as far as to say (apart from Sony's TV's) it's the other way round.

Pretty trivial if you ask me, its not either system is HUGE enough to be a burden so it makes no difference really

Xbox One, the American way: Fatter is better


Both of these consoles are pretty hideous if you ask me, the Wii U probably remains the less ugly new-gen console

Wow, that PS4 looks tiny and puny. Like the yippy little dog that likes to bark a lot to make a lot of noise and noticed, but is really annoying and you want it to shut up.

There are plenty of them in the forums. They were the ones who couldn't wait to get in another RROD joke but now think that failing consoles is something normal and as long as Sony honors the warranty, then it is nothing to be concerned about.

WhatTheSchmidt said,
There are plenty of them in the forums. They were the ones who couldn't wait to get in another RROD joke but now think that failing consoles is something normal and as long as Sony honors the warranty, then it is nothing to be concerned about.

Why be the thing you criticize then? You're better than that, I'm sure.

Not surprising. Every Microsoft console has been massive...

Hopefully the XBox One will at least make it to launch without failing... Unlike the "thin" PS4... lol

It will fit in my media center rack just fine.

Since all I can do is guess, I'd say there is a good chance the heatsink/fan combo for the Xbox One is over engineered.

I'm not getting either system until next spring. That will give me time to play through the backlogs and let the early adopters work out any kinks.

Xbox One is much larger and has the power brick on the outside.

The PS4 is smaller and even has the power brick inside.

Both have similar hardware inside.

Therefore in my opinion, from a technical/physical-design stand-point, the PS4 wins.

That's quite an in depth review you've given there on the technical/design merits of each. I can see why you're considered and expert in your field.

yeah but the PS4's power brick is sitting really close to the CPU/GPU and ram modules so it depends on how hot it runs and whether itll end up overheating the console or not. Seeing as virtually no retail boxes were shipped to review sites they may be having problems with it but who knows. Also its a lottery atm for who will get a PS4 with a broken GPU

ModernMech said,
That's quite an in depth review you've given there on the technical/design merits of each. I can see why you're considered and expert in your field.

I wasn't talking about the machine as a whole, I was talking about the box.

Nice to see a comparison. I saw one in an MS store a few days ago and realized this thing would be huge. What is their excuse? If I get one, I will wait for the slim model and it better be half that size. The PS4 is a more powerful system and yet it is less than half the size.

whoever told you its more powerful is lying to you. we know the BF4 looks better on XBO and COD runs like crap on PS4. if you want a real comparison,check NFS rivals,which is 1080p30 on both consoles. So far,we know the PS4 version has framerate troubles,we don't know XBO yet, but if they are running at the same res,and PS4 version having problems, where is this speed discrepancy?

vcfan said,
whoever told you its more powerful is lying to you. we know the BF4 looks better on XBO and COD runs like crap on PS4. if you want a real comparison,check NFS rivals,which is 1080p30 on both consoles. So far,we know the PS4 version has framerate troubles,we don't know XBO yet, but if they are running at the same res,and PS4 version having problems, where is this speed discrepancy?

My bull**** meter just broke. This post is off the scale.

Joswin said,

My bull**** meter just broke. This post is off the scale.

the only 2 multiplats that run at different resolutions are bf4 and cod ghost. bf4 looks better on xbox one,go compare things on DF, the ps4 version is so blurry and the textures are low quality. cod ghosts has framerate problems on ps4. while smooth on xbox one. go read the NFS faceoff on DF. both versions run at the same resolution,and are essentially the same game. they also drop frames pretty equally(in the 20s). the ps4 version uses HBAO and the xbox one version uses SSAO. that's pretty much the only difference.

all other multiplats run the same res and framerate, 1080p60 like fifa,nba2k14,ufc,madden and both A.C run at 1080p30 on both consoles.

if you have a counterargument,please present it,instead of making lame remarks.

I'd like to say how I can't believe people are making an issue out of this, but this is the internet after all. X1 looks to be about 30% total volume bigger than PS4? Honestly, it's not like you carry it around with you. Who cares?

You know that Sony didn't show the PS4 chasis until Microsoft showcased the one right? All I am saying is that Sony tried very hard to undercut Microsoft at anything and now that the preorders are shipping we can see that they didn't do a great job

sony tried to show off with the size, even though this isn't a portable device,and in the process, they are paying the price. GDDR5, slim bluray, 2.5" hard drives, a lot of custom parts for the internal design. these guys are losing $60 on the console, whereas Microsoft is probably actually making money on theirs.

and to top it off. the ps4 looks cheap as hell.

OMG, the Xbox One is humungous. My original fat PlayStation 2 is smaller than it. What is exactly is Microsoft's excuse for making the Xbox One not have an internal power supply?

Look at how smaller the PS4 is and Sony managed to get the PSU into it. Microsoft could have made it both internal and easily replaceable if they wanted to. Not only do Xbox One owners have to manage a considerable large console, they also have to manage with a large power brick too.

Think about it
You have a overly large game console you have to manage to put somewhere where it will fit. Then you have to put a quite large power brick behind your TV in with all the other cords. I see the PS4 having an edge in convenience and portability, if it ever had to be moved or put somewhere else.

Lone Wanderer Chicken said,
Think about it
You have a overly large game console you have to manage to put somewhere where it will fit.

Someplace it will fit? Like maybe in any entertainment center ever?

Then you have to put a quite large power brick behind your TV in with all the other cords.

Oh the humanity! You have to put something somewhere and then leave it there. Such a hardship!

I see the PS4 having an edge in convenience and portability, if it ever had to be moved or put somewhere else.

Yes, the extra inches on the XB1 made it so incredibly inconvenient when I had to move it that one time.... ever. So angry I didn't buy a PS4!

Seriously, these are some of the most incredible first world problems I have ever heard. Get the heck over yourself.

Lone Wanderer Chicken said,
Think about it
You have a overly large game console you have to manage to put somewhere where it will fit. Then you have to put a quite large power brick behind your TV in with all the other cords. I see the PS4 having an edge in convenience and portability, if it ever had to be moved or put somewhere else.

The X1 is slimmer than the original Fat PS3, a tiny bit longer. If you fit that in your system, you'll fit an X1. Unless of course your shelf was the exact length of a PS3.

I think it's because the xbox brick is 100W more than the PS4.

PS4 dc power is about 120W
X1 dc power is about 220W

Although why it has a much larger power rating is still a guess.

KevinN206 said,
I think it's because the xbox brick is 100W more than the PS4.

PS4 dc power is about 120W
X1 dc power is about 220W

Although why it has a much larger power rating is still a guess.


Apparently you misunderstood what the console was designed to do. Water cooling good sir, water cooling. It can also play games, if you're into that sort of thing.

Hmmm ...I think I know where this one is going to if it gets any bigger. The next Xbox will be an A/V receiver as well; with configuring or 5.1 or 7.1 surround. It will have multiple HDMI inputs for other devices.

Basically, it will be your ultimate gaming / home theater system! Now, let's get some pop-corn!

They probably got a giant heat sink apparatus wrapped around the CPU and GPU, so that the fans do not need to run as fast, in order to reduce the noise factor. I wonder if they considered added sound proofing to the unit to further reduce fan and disc drive noise during operation. One small issue I have with the XBox 360 is its loud spinner drive. Thankfully, several games in recent years I was able to download digitally through the XBox's store onto the hard-drive, so no more noise.

Arceles said,
Stereoscopic for depth is actually very good, please read some papers.

Sorry, it's weaksauce compared to what the Kinect 2 and even what the Kinect 1 is capable of. I've read plenty of papers and worked with all technologies (stereo vision, structured light, and time of flight) employed by the three consoles.

Signed,

PhD in CS

Really? Because I'm also on my PhD and I'm using exactly stereoscopic vision with OpenCL. It works wodners to detect depth of particular objects. I repeat, I have running an algorithm running already.

Enron said,
Guys, I have multiple PhDs and can tell you the Kinect is far superior.

Nobody is saying that Ain't superior, I'm saying that stereoscopic also works. Particularly for the controller light in the ps4. It works and works well contrary to some comments.

Arceles said,

Nobody is saying that Ain't superior, I'm saying that stereoscopic also works. Particularly for the controller light in the ps4. It works and works well contrary to some comments.

Stereoscopic is the equivalent of Orange squash when you want Fresh Orange Juice. It just doesn't cut the mustard. It's a pseudo guess at depth rather than an accurate measurement.

Aha... yeah... whatever man, I repeat, I have an algorithm working. You don't just triangulate a measurement, if you are smart you either use particle filtering to "guess" its depth or you can use other Bayesian approaches. Again nobody is saying that it's better than kinnect, but your comment is quite ignorant.

Arceles said,
if you are smart you either use particle filtering to "guess" its depth or you can use other Bayesian approaches.

...

MikeChipshop said,

It's a pseudo guess at depth

Says it all really.

Surely you know that this kind of "guesses" are used even on commercial flights right? to estimate pitch, roll and jaw.... surely, "guesses" after all. I recommend you to read why when a big covariance is multiplied with a low covariance a better covariance is obtained. Without going any further, learn the Kalman filter and it's immense application to "guess" critical states. (P.D, even if you manage to learn it, let me tell you that this is a very basic algorithm, nowadays far more improved approaches are used, but they still are based on this proven algorithm born in the 60's)

Spicoli said,
Because a big tower is so attractive?

It's actually not difficult to get a PC in a smaller form factor than these consoles.

ROFLCOPTERS said,

It's actually not difficult to get a PC in a smaller form factor than these consoles.

Good luck getting 1080p60...

Plus a PC PSU itself is thicker than both consoles, so it's already an impossibly task.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Good luck getting 1080p60...

Plus a PC PSU itself is thicker than both consoles, so it's already an impossibly task.

So you're talking about "slenderness" as opposed to overall volume?

ROFLCOPTERS said,

So you're talking about "slenderness" as opposed to overall volume?

Sure?
With a PSU, Mini-ITX mobo, modern gaming GPU, and optical drive, I just don't think it can be done.
Regardless, if it's too "tall", it's not going to fit into many entertainment centers, which is why consoles are shaped like they are.

Yes! Build PC into Desk with glass top or into the actual TV Its self! You can get some sweet PC cases hell you can even build one into a frame and wall mount the sucker or hide behind a mirror or picture if needs be.

I have a HTPC inside a Cooler Master Elite 120, which is probably as cramped as you can possibly stuff typical PC parts into, and it's just about 3 times the volume of an Xbox One.

I seriously don't think it can be done.

Spicoli said,
Because a big tower is so attractive?

I would prefer a PC over a console without any doubt. In fact a PC is what I use to play and more.

I've actually built some pretty cool mini ITX gaming machines. The PSU you can externalize (many mini-ITX chassis have an external AC/DC converter, so the PC receives only DC -- this also helps with the heat). The main problem, of course, is price.

froggyliver said,
Your Xbox One is so huge it.........[enter commend here] !

...That is has people on the internet making pointless comments about it's size.

This is starting to get over played. The dimensions of the XB1 is: 13.1″ x 10.8″ x 3.1″ (width, depth, height)

That's about 1 inch wider and deeper than the original 360, which is: 12.15″ x 10.15″ x 3.27″. Not the end of the world.

uxo22 said,

...That is has people on the internet making pointless comments about it's size.

This is starting to get over played. The dimensions of the XB1 is: 13.1″ x 10.8″ x 3.1″ (width, depth, height)

That's about 1 inch wider and deeper than the original 360, which is: 12.15″ x 10.15″ x 3.27″. Not the end of the world.

Hey, its kind of big, so what. have fun.

uxo22 said,

That's about 1 inch wider and deeper than the original 360, which is: 12.15″ x 10.15″ x 3.27″. Not the end of the world.

However the sharp angles as opposed to a smooth rounded edge makes the device look even bigger than it is.

There's a reason behind Apple's trick with their devices, where they are a couple mm thin on the edge and quickly taper to its full depth. Your brain sees a thinner device than it actually is, and that's what matters more than the real absolute device dimensions (and in fact, it still has a lower volume and that's not an illusion)

gonchuki said,

However the sharp angles as opposed to a smooth rounded edge makes the device look even bigger than it is.

There's a reason behind Apple's trick with their devices, where they are a couple mm thin on the edge and quickly taper to its full depth. Your brain sees a thinner device than it actually is, and that's what matters more than the real absolute device dimensions (and in fact, it still has a lower volume and that's not an illusion)

Disagree, what really matters is whether or not the device will fit where you plan on putting it. Once its sitting in my entertainment unit and it fits, then I'm good. Only thing that happens when something looks smaller than it is, is disappointment.

froggyliver said,
Your Xbox One is so huge it.........[enter commend here] !

So huge that the displays they're sitting in at Best Buy cover the back half the console to make it look a lot smaller.

uxo22 said,

Only thing that happens when something looks smaller than it is, is disappointment.

I'm sorry for you. I bet you bought a pickup truck to compensate for it.

gonchuki said,

I'm sorry for you. I bet you bought a pickup truck to compensate for it.

Actually I bought the pickup truck because it was what I wanted and my garage was actually big enough to accommodate it. I'm sure you bought a Scion iQ, being it a lot smaller and fix nicely next to your trailer.

3RLOD cost them a LOT of money, and going mammoth for cooling is a good PR stunt. When they trial the waters and end up redesigning and reducing the size, they can advertise a higher percentage size reduction. Honestly the size difference is inches, but coupled with the power brick and the weak raw power, it begs the question...

It's VCR vs DVD player again. But I guess with all the media features xbox has plus Kinect, it had to be larger.

No it hadn't, because it actually has less powerful hardware and even the hard drive isn't user replaceable (non replaceable parts usually mean you are sacrificing that right to get a smaller, more compact device)

stevan said,
It's VCR vs DVD player again. But I guess with all the media features xbox has plus Kinect, it had to be larger.

Yeah, they had to make it larger to fit all that extra software in there. I always forget how much space that pesky software takes up...

Cooling, they say. If I recall - the PlayStation has always done a better job at cooling. I'm sure this model will be no different. So the less powerful Xbox needs more cooling than the PS4? Talk about inefficient. Also, Sony uses more custom parts and design. MS likes to get away with computer style cooling and idiot design.

Shouldnt be too much of a bother, it looks about as big as the original PS3. I don't think it's that the Xbox One is huge, I think it's more that the PS4 is rather small.

Personally I like it being bigger and heavier. Like getting a smartphone that just feels way to light, just feels like your getting more for your buck. I don't like small compact PC's either, I want a big tower with big glowing lights.

McKay said,
Shouldnt be too much of a bother, it looks about as big as the original PS3. I don't think it's that the Xbox One is huge, I think it's more that the PS4 is rather small.

The Xbox One is actually bigger than the fat PS3.

gonchuki said,

The Xbox One is actually bigger than the fat PS3.

The FAT PS3 dimensions are: 12.81" wide, 10.79" deep, 3.86" tall

Which is pretty much the same size as the XB1. Slightly less wide, but slightly taller (when laying flat)

Very likely, but we'll just have to wait and see. With that massive HSF in there I wouldn't be surprised if it was, but would be if it wasn't.

Well at least the One doesn't wobble...

Just some points...

You can get way more powerful PC's in smaller packages than both consoles (but this raises manufacturing costs).

Also, the XB1 still has a separate power brick/power supply like the 360, which is integrated in to PS4 and PC's. The XB1 + power brick are going to take up a ton of room.

I'm sure the XB1 will have great cooling and be extremely quiet, from looking at the large low rpm fan, but it's still stupidly large. MS have never been great at making compact things though.

NoClipMode said,
Just some points...
You can get way more powerful PC's in smaller packages than both consoles (but this raises manufacturing costs).

Not sure if that's necessarily true. A GPU that's capable of 1080p60 would need to be a pretty decent card and requiring a decent PSU. Fitting powerful, off-the-shelf PC parts into a comparably sized HTPC case would likely be an impossible task.

NoClipMode said,
Just some points...
MS have never been great at making compact things though.

Well, they do tablets, you know Surface... Quite compact and well done.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Not sure if that's necessarily true. A GPU that's capable of 1080p60 would need to be a pretty decent card and requiring a decent PSU. Fitting powerful, off-the-shelf PC parts into a comparably sized HTPC case would likely be an impossible task.

Intel integrated graphics can easily do 1080p @ 60fps depending on game. So that doesn't mean much.

But for something more powerful than XB1/PS4:
http://www.dell.com/uk/p/alienware-x51-r2/pd.aspx

Thats just slightly larger than the XB1 but has an integrated power supply and much faster hardware. I didn't even try hard to find that, theres probably smaller stuff out there.

Edited by NoClipMode, Nov 14 2013, 9:12pm :

TruckWEB said,

Well, they do tablets, you know Surface... Quite compact and well done.

Very well built but not going to win any awards for how thin and compact they are. They didn't even bother making the Pro 2 thinner/lighter when they had the chance with Haswell.

Spicoli said,
That Alienware isn't a DIY box. That's as custom as the XB1.

It's nowhere near as custom, but whats that got to do with anything? I just said PC, not DIY PC. And most stuff in the Alienware is normal off the shelf stuff. The GPU, CPU, RAM and HDD/SSD are all off the shelf and can all be replaced.

Thief000 said,
Very likely, but we'll just have to wait and see. With that massive HSF in there I wouldn't be surprised if it was, but would be if it wasn't.

Well at least the One doesn't wobble...


In Mother Russia, the Xbox One wobbles you.

NoClipMode said,

Intel integrated graphics can easily do 1080p @ 60fps depending on game. So that doesn't mean much.

But for something more powerful than XB1/PS4:
http://www.dell.com/uk/p/alienware-x51-r2/pd.aspx

Thats just slightly larger than the XB1 but has an integrated power supply and much faster hardware. I didn't even try hard to find that, theres probably smaller stuff out there.

Integrated Intel graphics will absolutely not come close to 1080p 60fps. Even on the absolute lowest crappiest settings, I highly doubt it would play BF4 or COD smoothly. Same goes with the EA sports games, GTA V, and whatever other multiplatform games. Console graphics are pretty darn good, so we're talking 1080p60 on high/max settings.

If we're going to compare console to PC, then we want comparable hardware levels across the board. A fullscale GPU will definitely be required for that bill.

The GPU in the lowest end Alienware PC you linked won't come even close to the detail a console can output. You'd need to step it up a few notches, and at that point you'll be way above the price-point of a console.

I've read it in a few places, but you'd need about $900 to build an equivalent PC to a console. And it won't be anywhere near as small.

Edited by Astra.Xtreme, Nov 14 2013, 10:26pm :

NoClipMode said,

Very well built but not going to win any awards for how thin and compact they are. They didn't even bother making the Pro 2 thinner/lighter when they had the chance with Haswell.

Yeah, you're right, it's going to be bearable only when it's going to be paper thin and light.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Integrated Intel graphics will absolutely not come close to 1080p 60fps. Even on the absolute lowest crappiest settings, I highly doubt it would play BF4 or COD smoothly. Same goes with the EA sports games, GTA V, and whatever other multiplatform games. Console graphics are pretty darn good, so we're talking 1080p60 on high/max settings.

If we're going to compare console to PC, then we want comparable hardware levels across the board. A fullscale GPU will definitely be required for that bill.

The GPU in the lowest end Alienware PC you linked won't come even close to the detail a console can output. You'd need to step it up a few notches, and at that point you'll be way above the price-point of a console.

I've read it in a few places, but you'd need about $900 to build an equivalent PC to a console. And it won't be anywhere near as small.

The point i was making is that almost any graphics card within the last 10 years can do 1080p 60 if the games graphics are bad enough. So saying "1080p 60" doesn't exactly mean anything in terms of GPU power.

The high-end Alienware PC configuration will obviously cost more than a console. But i never mentioned price anywhere. So i don't know why you people are bringing up DIY PC's and price?! Of course a gaming PC will cost more.

The Alienware can fit a 760Ti, which is about equal in performance to what the PS4 has. The CPU is much faster in the Alienware, you can fit more RAM, and can fit a vastly faster SSD. All in roughly the size of a XB1.

But with PC, in the long run it doesnt really cost more when you look at stuff like Humble Bundle and Steam sales. I have over 300 PC games, about 90 are AAA games and i paid less than £10 for most. Last week i got Batman Arkham Asylum + Arkham City + some indie games, it was £3 for all of it. You'd never get these kind of deals on consoles and i've never owned more than 20 games for any console as the games are too expensive.

TruckWEB said,

Yeah, you're right, it's going to be bearable only when it's going to be paper thin and light.

It's current thickness and weight is not acceptable to many. I'd actually buy a Surface Pro 2 if it was just slightly thinner and lighter.

But yeah lets not bother improving things, lets just leave them thick and heavy /s

Spicoli said,
The last gaming system I built I tried to make small as I could. I ended up with the Thermaltake ARMOR A30i. You could probably fit 4 XB1s inside it.

haha i did the same, too, with an A30. I think the mini-ITX units from Cooler Master are better suited now.

TruckWEB said,

Well, they do tablets, you know Surface... Quite compact and well done.

you are joking right? The surface 2 looks like a tablet made in 2011

it just looks like it's having a xboner.

ms has pretty poor track record with their xbox reliability. i doubt xbone will be a improvement.

Albert said,
it just looks like it's having a xboner.

ms has pretty poor track record with their xbox reliability. i doubt xbone will be a improvement.


Every new version of the 360 has been an improvement, reliability wise. (Xenon/Zepher, Opus/Falcon, Jasper, Trinity/Corona)
I have no reason to believe that they wish to repeat the costly mistakes they made back in those days. They have also stated that it's designed to run for 10 years straight, without fail. Though I think turning it on and off is more stressful to the components then leaving them running. That heating and cooling cycle is what played a big part in killing all those 360s

NoClipMode said,

The point i was making is that almost any graphics card within the last 10 years can do 1080p 60 if the games graphics are bad enough. So saying "1080p 60" doesn't exactly mean anything in terms of GPU power.

The high-end Alienware PC configuration will obviously cost more than a console. But i never mentioned price anywhere. So i don't know why you people are bringing up DIY PC's and price?! Of course a gaming PC will cost more.

The Alienware can fit a 760Ti, which is about equal in performance to what the PS4 has. The CPU is much faster in the Alienware, you can fit more RAM, and can fit a vastly faster SSD. All in roughly the size of a XB1.

But with PC, in the long run it doesnt really cost more when you look at stuff like Humble Bundle and Steam sales. I have over 300 PC games, about 90 are AAA games and i paid less than £10 for most. Last week i got Batman Arkham Asylum + Arkham City + some indie games, it was £3 for all of it. You'd never get these kind of deals on consoles and i've never owned more than 20 games for any console as the games are too expensive.

Well of course 1080p60 is relative to the game. GPUs from the 90s can probably play solitaire and Wolfenstein 3D at 60fps, but that's getting away from the point of comparing to the consoles.

Also, it's a given that a PC will run circles around a console every day of the week. That's exactly why my heart's with PC and couldn't care less about these new consoles. But if somebody had a budget of $500-600 for either a console or a Steambox build to connect to their entertainment system, a console will give you more for your money.

DARKFiB3R said,

Every new version of the 360 has been an improvement, reliability wise. (Xenon/Zepher, Opus/Falcon, Jasper, Trinity/Corona)
I have no reason to believe that they wish to repeat the costly mistakes they made back in those days. They have also stated that it's designed to run for 10 years straight, without fail. Though I think turning it on and off is more stressful to the components then leaving them running. That heating and cooling cycle is what played a big part in killing all those 360s

Yeah the on and off was the issue. Those stupid X-clamps would warp causing the motherboard to warp and the solder joints would break. I bought a ton of RROD Xboxs for next to nothing and fixed them all with $0.25 in screws and nuts.

I was actually pretty surprised they never did away with those x-clamps.
I think all they did to remedy the problem was replace/minimize components on the motherboard so that less heat was created.