Slightly more Windows 8 Release Candidate info revealed

Earlier this week, the author of the Windows 8 information web site WinUnleaked.tk obtained a copy of a Release Candidate version of Windows 8 that exposed more information about new SKU options for the OS. Now the web site has posted up a small update with some brief statements about what has been included in this new build.

The article claims that Microsoft has been busy putting the final touches on Windows 8 since the release of the Consumer Preview version in February. It has improved the performance of Windows 8 since that release, according to the article, along with making adjustments to the UI and adding in features to the main code.

The article states:

The notable changes are the addition of color set, some were already present in several Milestone 3 build, the return of Windows to Go, various changes in the UI, performance improvements and the return of « staged » build.

The web site promises to reveal more about each of these new features and changes in another article. Meanwhile, Microsoft is still expected to launch the final version of Windows 8 to the public later this year, perhaps sometime in October, in both x86 and ARM variants.

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Following is a list of functions that I would like to see native in the upcoming Microsoft Windows 8 Operating System:

Less Graphic User Interface changes. I would prefer greater focus on further developing Windows technology rather than the format or appearance of the User Interface. Changes to the User Interface should be optional.

More fully developed Integrity Check. System File Checker is a relatively simple utility. I would like to see a sophisticated utility that is able to check the default integrity of the MBR, Windows registry, policies, services, ASLR, DEP, SEHOP, WMI, DCOM, CAPI2, Security Center, Firewall, Visual C++, .Net Framework, Oracle Java, Adobe Flash, Adobe Reader and other third-party dependencies, etc. This utiility should have the ability to restore all file associations including EXE, COM, BAT, VBS and CMD to default values. Detection of rootkits like Mebroot, Sinowal, etc. should be native to the operating system.

More fully developed Email Import Process. At all times, native applications in previous versions of Microsoft Windows should be fully supported in the latest version of Microsoft Windows. Commonly, there is no import process support for a previous version of a native Email Client such as Microsoft Outlook Express or Windows Mail. Therefore, a number of steps must be performed in order to migrate this data to the latest version of Microsoft Windows. The process of transferring email from one version of Microsoft Windows to the current version should be extremely straight-forward.

More fully developed Error Reporting. Critical System Errors such as a failing Display Adapter, failing Hard Drive, Driver Conflicts, Application Conflicts, Converted Crash Dumps, Security Threats and Hardware Sensors should be brought to the attention of the User. Critical information should not be hidden in the Event Viewer. Error messages should be verbose rather than cryptic. Examples: A native Windows Service could be employed to monitor drives using SMART technology and alert the User when appropriate. Another example would be heat-related sensor information supplied by SensorsView Pro. Another example would be changes made to the System by an exploit which has compromised System Integrity.

More fully developed Windows Easy Transfer. There are a number of default data locations used by native and third-party applications in Program Files, Program Data, Application Data and Microsoft SQL Server Desktop Contexts. Windows Easy Transfer should be more fully aware of default data locations and convert data when required.

More fully developed Windows Update. A more advanced Windows Update process that is aware of security updates required for third-party applications such as Oracle Java, Adobe Flash and Adobe Reader.

Port scan. At the command line, a port scanner like NMAP and NETCAT.

More fully developed Ping. At the command line, a more sophisticated ping utility like HPING.

More fully developed Remote Control. At the command line, the ability to perform commands on remote hosts like Sysinternals PsExec.

More fully developed Network Map. The Network Map function within the Network and Sharing Center is extremely limited. NetworkView would be an example of a far more sophisticated application using SNMP and WMI.

xpclient said,
We are at Microsoft's mercy as what they do to the OS is no longer as transparent as it used to be.

They just don't want to make any promises.

It feels like I'm running to operating systems at the same time. They need to disable conventional access to the legacy desktop and let it open ONLY when a desktop based program is launched from the start screen. Going into the desktop to launch a program is a bit redundant now that the start screen has pretty much every button and shortcut. Once the last desktop program is closed, the desktop should close automatically.

That would really simplify things. No need for desktop icons, charm bar, etc... just make it an environment with no clickable features... simply let it be for displaying an open desktop program and nothing more. A temporary environment that never stays open once you've closed your last program. Heck, I'd say get rid of the superbar too, but some folks find it easy to tab through programs with it instead of alt tabs... so I guess that's fine...

I hope they fix some of the horrible performance issues. It shouldn't take 20 minutes to install a program that takes Windows 7 under 3. Most of that time stuck at the beginning of a progress dialog that just sits there. I've seen it with third party AND Microsoft installs.

I also hope that they get it so that my computer doesn't do a half hang, half the programs don't do anything while the other half do. Again, it seems that sometimes waiting it out (like the previous installs) sometimes work. But I usually just hit the reset switch and get back to it.

Getting rid of the ghost windows (I get one every time the wallpaper changes) would be nice.

Sometimes the interrupts eat a core (lucky I've got four of them), but if I can wait it out (it affects keyboard and mouse performance unfortunately), it gets back in line.

I'm running the bare things I need right now. I'm not going to try and install a bunch of other stuff that I find will have to get wiped once I go with the next release (or decide to go back to Windows 7).

Bryan Price said,
I hope they fix some of the horrible performance issues. It shouldn't take 20 minutes to install a program that takes Windows 7 under 3. Most of that time stuck at the beginning of a progress dialog that just sits there. I've seen it with third party AND Microsoft installs.

I also hope that they get it so that my computer doesn't do a half hang, half the programs don't do anything while the other half do. Again, it seems that sometimes waiting it out (like the previous installs) sometimes work. But I usually just hit the reset switch and get back to it.

Getting rid of the ghost windows (I get one every time the wallpaper changes) would be nice.

Sometimes the interrupts eat a core (lucky I've got four of them), but if I can wait it out (it affects keyboard and mouse performance unfortunately), it gets back in line.

I'm running the bare things I need right now. I'm not going to try and install a bunch of other stuff that I find will have to get wiped once I go with the next release (or decide to go back to Windows 7).

That's more issues that Rolling Stone magazine (guffaw)!

Seriously dude, I haven't encountered a single issue yet - maybe your install got screwed?

I didn't have any issue with Windows 8 either of hanging programs as I had with Windows 7. Did you upgrade by any chance from Windows 7? How about drivers?

Bryan Price said,
I hope they fix some of the horrible performance issues.

That definitely sounds like an issue with your install. Did you do an upgrade from Windows 7?

In any case I'd recommend you to do a clean install - it would likely run properly afterwards.

TsarNikky said,
Nothing substantial being added--just fluff. Core OS deficiencies/defects remain.

I knew that not much will change from DP release. Windows 8 is feature complete and they will be trying to sort out the bugs with the current CP release and go to RC and then final. That's what Windows 8 is all about: Metro and few added features and performance tweaks.

I call it Windows 7 Service Pack 2 with Metro on top of it. Infact once we install IE10, DX11.1 along with Service Pack 2 on Windows 7 it is basically Windows 8 with no Metro minus few features like new copy UI but MS didn't fix essential problems with copy, problem which exists with Windows 7 and Vista and that is bloody slow over the network with domain. But that's Microsoft...amateurs.

Edited by techguy77, Mar 23 2012, 6:25pm :

TsarNikky said,
Core OS deficiencies/defects remain.

Please begin to list these deficiencies/defects so we can go down the list on what you are correct , incorrect or misinformed about.

xendrome said,

Please begin to list these deficiencies/defects so we can go down the list on what you are correct , incorrect or misinformed about.


Easy list: 1. PEBKAC

Bryan Price said,

Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair.

lol hilarious i'll have to remember that one, funnier than saying "USER ERROR"

TCLN Ryster said,
You can use PICNIC to describe such people too

YES, Problem In Chair Not in Computer

or the classic "ID 10T" error...

techguy77 said,

That's what Windows 8 is all about: Metro and few added features and performance tweaks.
I call it Windows 7 Service Pack 2 with Metro on top of it.

what a boatload of rubbish...

Skwerl said,
Wait- The return of Windows To Go? It was removed from the CP?

I guess it means the return of the early "Portable Workspace Creator" (probably renamed) tool for creating the drive.

torrentthief said,
hoping to see the stupid metro disabled by default for desktop users, the start button returned and windows media centre added.

To each their own. All I use the start button for nowadays is initiating a search. That's about it. Don't/Won't miss it.

Fish said,
Sounds like you should stick with 7

They need to add this phrase to the word filter. There is much more new stuff in 8 aside from metro that makes 8 worth using. However... MS is forcing an immediate change on it's users instead of gradually transitioning them to a new UI. Even Program Manager was available in XP until Vista. A radical change to the UI creates a support nightmare, and if MS wants to cater to businesses with Windows 8 they'd be wise to include a "classic" option.

torrentthief said,
hoping to see the stupid metro disabled by default for desktop users, the start button returned and windows media centre added.

Stop hoping, it's not gonna happen, ms does not care about your feedback in this regard.

shockz said,

They need to add this phrase to the word filter. There is much more new stuff in 8 aside from metro that makes 8 worth using. However... MS is forcing an immediate change on it's users instead of gradually transitioning them to a new UI. Even Program Manager was available in XP until Vista. A radical change to the UI creates a support nightmare, and if MS wants to cater to businesses with Windows 8 they'd be wise to include a "classic" option.

I may agree with you but it doesn't change the fact MS is not gonna do it, they seem intent on putting their fingers in there ears when it comes to this.

knighthawk said,

I may agree with you but it doesn't change the fact MS is not gonna do it, they seem intent on putting their fingers in there ears when it comes to this.


well if they listened to everyone's feedback and only went off of that, nothing would ever change.

there seem to be too many people in the tech (non-programing) area that want to go by the "if it's not broken don't fix it" saying, which doesn't really work for technology because it's currently in a state of constant evolution

torrentthief said,
hoping to see the stupid metro disabled by default for desktop users, the start button returned and windows media centre added.

You sure you tried the CP? It has Media Center in it already.

GreyWolf said,
You sure you tried the CP? It has Media Center in it already.

Don't bother feeding the troll. The "start button" is still here, even more is has been duplicated : one like you are used to on the left-bottom corner & one into the charm bar.

People saying "Stupid metro" should look at a mirror.

shockz said,

They need to add this phrase to the word filter. There is much more new stuff in 8 aside from metro that makes 8 worth using. However... MS is forcing an immediate change on it's users instead of gradually transitioning them to a new UI. Even Program Manager was available in XP until Vista. A radical change to the UI creates a support nightmare, and if MS wants to cater to businesses with Windows 8 they'd be wise to include a "classic" option.

Sorry but you don't get to pick and choose which parts of a product you wan't to buy. You buy the whole thing, or you don't buy it. It's that simple. That's like saying you want to stick with your old generation Mk4 Volkswagen Golf's body but put the engine of the Mk5 in it instead. Technically possible, but you're own your own.

Besides, Windows 95 was an "immediate change" on it's users and look how that ended up. 17 years later we're still using the same basic desktop/taskbar/startmenu paradigm. It's time for a change. Get on board, or don't. It's up to you.

knighthawk said,

Stop hoping, it's not gonna happen, ms does not care about your feedback in this regard.

.. MS DOES care, just because you, out of millions, sent feedback to MS that probably doesn't think it's a good idea, doesn't mean they're not listening to most others as well.
Windows 7 and even 8 is not the result of only MS themselves, most of the noticable changes are actually made because of them listening to the public.

TCLN Ryster said,

Sorry but you don't get to pick and choose which parts of a product you wan't to buy. You buy the whole thing, or you don't buy it. It's that simple. That's like saying you want to stick with your old generation Mk4 Volkswagen Golf's body but put the engine of the Mk5 in it instead. Technically possible, but you're own your own.

Besides, Windows 95 was an "immediate change" on it's users and look how that ended up. 17 years later we're still using the same basic desktop/taskbar/startmenu paradigm. It's time for a change. Get on board, or don't. It's up to you.

What a ridiculous comment. With policy tweaks XP could be made to look exactly like it's predecessor. I know quite a few corporations that did indeed do this. And like I said, back in the 95 and 98 days, program manager was available and also the first thing that loaded up on computers at high school running 95. There are ways to keep classic elements and still maintain the benefits of new operating system features. Clearly you've never worked in a professional services role or you'd understand this simple concept.

webdev511 said,
I wouldn't count on seeing a public RC until at the earliest sometime in late May.

Didn't take long for someone in the anti-metro camp to post irrelevant comment.

dotf said,

Didn't take long for someone in the anti-metro camp to post irrelevant comment.

How is it an irrelevant comment? the article is about the release canidate and he said it probably wont come out till may.

majortom1981 said,

How is it an irrelevant comment? the article is about the release canidate and he said it probably wont come out till may.

He probably meant to reply that to the comment below.

It's the branch that will become the release candidate. That doesn't mean that the release candidate has been developed.
It does worry me that the CP is seen to be so close to complete in its current state that they are now apparently simply "polishing" it for release rather than being prepared to make fundamental changes. Though it seems the development cycle is a bit different this time, so maybe the RC branch will see more alterations than in the past.

singularity87 said,
It's the branch that will become the release candidate. That doesn't mean that the release candidate has been developed.
It does worry me that the CP is seen to be so close to complete in its current state that they are now apparently simply "polishing" it for release rather than being prepared to make fundamental changes. Though it seems the development cycle is a bit different this time, so maybe the RC branch will see more alterations than in the past.

Ohh god no! I hope there are huge fundamental changes in CP at least in terms of usability for mouse and keyboard users. Those who like it in current form may continue to use CP till it expires. But after seeing how little changed from windows 7 beta to windows 7 RTM, we will hardly see any drastic changes in Windows 8 RTM.

Been windows loyal fan running bootcamp along with that Lion crap. But if this is the case, I will happily switch over to Mountain Lion and delete windows partition. I don't use windows only softwares thankfully.

Mountain Lion DP2 is running much smoother and faster than Lion and shaping up pretty well. Apple is catching up in terms of OSX marketshare in similar way they did with iPhone.

OS X wil _never_ catch up to any version of Windows. Certainly not as long as it is not released from it's overpriced 'you pay for the design and fruity logo' hardware. Maybe, and that is a huge maybe, if it were available as a direct competitor to Windows, as in independent of hardware, it could come closer, but even then I doubt it will ever come close to even being in the shadow of Windows as a main OS.

sanke1 said,

Ohh god no! I hope there are huge fundamental changes in CP at least in terms of usability for mouse and keyboard users. Those who like it in current form may continue to use CP till it expires. But after seeing how little changed from windows 7 beta to windows 7 RTM, we will hardly see any drastic changes in Windows 8 RTM.

Been windows loyal fan running bootcamp along with that Lion crap. But if this is the case, I will happily switch over to Mountain Lion and delete windows partition. I don't use windows only softwares thankfully.

Mountain Lion DP2 is running much smoother and faster than Lion and shaping up pretty well. Apple is catching up in terms of OSX marketshare in similar way they did with iPhone.

Now just convince businesses to purely run OSX environments. Yep, all Macs. Never gonna happen. Businesses are tight with money in the first place so there's no room to splurge on spending $1k min. for every single machine.

laserfloyd said,

Now just convince businesses to purely run OSX environments. Yep, all Macs. Never gonna happen. Businesses are tight with money in the first place so there's no room to splurge on spending $1k min. for every single machine.

Large businesses, not the little hole in wall tech startups.

laserfloyd said,

Large businesses, not the little hole in wall tech startups.


FYI: Even many large companies with huge budgets will not choose to suddenly switch to a purely Apple shop.

Chsoriano said,

FYI: Even many large companies with huge budgets will not choose to suddenly switch to a purely Apple shop.

The larger the business, the less likely they are to switch.

JonathanMarston said,

The larger the business, the less likely they are to switch.

The "switch" is not necessarily to Apple; but, very likely not-switching to Windows-8. Microsoft has until 2020 to fix the Windows-8 debacle. In the meantime, as Microsoft squanders it "service" to businesses, Apple will start looking more and more attractive.

sanke1 said,

Ohh god no! I hope there are huge fundamental changes in CP at least in terms of usability for mouse and keyboard users. Those who like it in current form may continue to use CP till it expires. But after seeing how little changed from windows 7 beta to windows 7 RTM, we will hardly see any drastic changes in Windows 8 RTM.

Been windows loyal fan running bootcamp along with that Lion crap. But if this is the case, I will happily switch over to Mountain Lion and delete windows partition. I don't use windows only softwares thankfully.

Mountain Lion DP2 is running much smoother and faster than Lion and shaping up pretty well. Apple is catching up in terms of OSX marketshare in similar way they did with iPhone.

Then PLEASE move to OSX and leave Win8 alone. I'm tired of the archaid whiners about "where's the start buttone?", etc. Win8 works FINE with a mouse & keyboard. I took to it easily. It amazes me that people who are supposedly the power users seem utterly befuddled by Win8. Huh.

Befuddled or just annoyed?

I like Win8. I can use Win8 for almost everything. I'm good with most of the changes. I actually like some of the new Metro UI options, settings menus, and notification systems.

I just think the Metro Apps and Start Screen would benefit from some serious tweaking for efficiency.

I'm pretty sure that Apple will offer large discounts to Enterprises/Businesses looking to make the switch to OSX, especially if Windows 8 turns out to be a complete flop.

Microsoft also need to watch their back when it comes to PC gaming. Who knows, maybe Apple will extend it's marketshare with Apple approved components allowing users to build their own custom machine yet using Apple certified products, just like with the Vista era. With no major gaming announcements by Microsoft, this could be a possibility. This could certainly be an issue if Steam do not update their software and with more and more Mac compatible games released each day, who knows?

Apple is just waiting to pounce.

Billus said,
I'm pretty sure that Apple will offer large discounts to Enterprises/Businesses looking to make the switch to OSX, especially if Windows 8 turns out to be a complete flop.

Microsoft also need to watch their back when it comes to PC gaming. Who knows, maybe Apple will extend it's marketshare with Apple approved components allowing users to build their own custom machine yet using Apple certified products, just like with the Vista era. With no major gaming announcements by Microsoft, this could be a possibility. This could certainly be an issue if Steam do not update their software and with more and more Mac compatible games released each day, who knows?

Apple is just waiting to pounce.

The real problem is that Apple is not capable of manufacturing enough hardware to keep enterprise/big business interested, nor do they offer any alternatives in hardware. They do not even offer mini towers. If you want one, you have to build a hackintosh. In the Apple space, there is just Apple. Which is great for their bottom line, but will not help them with the enterprise market.

Never mind, the proprietary Windows only software that most corporations still use. Web based, platform independent solutions have not caught on in most places. Sure, you can virtualize, but that just adds more complexity to the situation when dealing with a single locked down vendor.

As for gaming, Microsoft has the Xbox. They do not need PC gaming. Steam is a luxury for a niche group of individuals who have a lot of money to spend on their gaming interests. This is not to say that Apple could not enter the gaming market with Apple TV and, or the iPad (serious gaming). This is their plan.

FalseAgent said,

so that more people can complain and bitch about the direction of windows, of course.

It's the only way there is a chance in hell of Microsoft fixing this in time for release. The next 30-60 days are it, folks.

Morden said,
it's release candidate... ;-)

No it's not a release candidate. It's just a build from the release candidate branch, ie. all the builds after Consumer Preview.

TCLN Ryster said,
No it's not a release candidate. It's just a build from the release candidate branch, ie. all the builds after Consumer Preview.

IIRC there is going to be an enterprise preview which is probably what the preview will be based upon. By the time the enterprise preview is released I'd say that the operating system will be 95% complete and it is just a matter of working with OEM's and software companies to ensure that everything is ready to go when it is launched which is rumoured to be October although one could argue that October could be the RTM and there being a month delay between RTM and it actually appear on shelves or on computers.

TCLN Ryster said,

No it's not a release candidate. It's just a build from the release candidate branch, ie. all the builds after Consumer Preview.

was a typo in the title, it said "released candidate"...