Sony: 4.2 million PlayStation 4 consoles sold as of Dec. 28

A day after Microsoft announced it has sold more than 3 million units of its Xbox One console from its Nov. 22 to the end of 2013, Sony has struck back and revealed as part of its CES 2014 press conference that its PlayStation 4 console has sold 4.2 million units since it launched in the U.S. from Nov. 15, its launch date, to Dec. 28.

Sony's CES 2014 press conference also revealed plans to offer streaming games to the PS4 and other Sony devices via the new PlayStation now cloud service. This would appear to be the new name for the Gaikai service that Sony bought in July 2012. Sony stated that PlayStation Now will offer a way to play PS1, PS2 and PS3 games on the PlayStation 4, PS Vita, PS3, and Sony TVs, tablets and smartphones. A limited beta of the service is supposed to begin later this month.

Sony also revealed during the press event plans to launch its own cloud-based streaming TV service that will support both video on demand and live TV broadcasts. Not only will it be accessible via Sony's own devices, but it will be released on other third party platforms like the iPad. The service, which does not yet have an official name, will begin testing later in 2014.

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Emiliano Magliocca said,
PS4 4.2 million in 52 countries
XBOX ONE 3 million in just 13 countires

Xbox One = Sold in it's biggest market (The US)
PS4 = Not sold in it's biggest market (Japan)

Xbox One = Easy to find in stock
PS4 = Impossible to find in stock

Emiliano Magliocca said,
PS4 4.2 million in 52 countries
XBOX ONE 3 million in just 13 countires

I don't think those number mean what you think they mean.

Just because Sony released in more countries doesn't mean they magically have more stock to sell. Just that they're spreading their stock over more countries.

bidz said,

Xbox One = Sold in it's biggest market (The US)
PS4 = Not sold in it's biggest market (Japan)

Xbox One = Easy to find in stock
PS4 = Impossible to find in stock

PS4 fanboys = makes things up because their console is so lame in comparison.

Mr. Hand said,

PS4 fanboys = makes things up because their console is so lame in comparison.

Look in the mirror, Mr Microsoft. He gave you facts, not opinions. Care to counter?

stevan said,

Look in the mirror, Mr Microsoft. He gave you facts, not opinions. Care to counter?

Yea, okay "easy to find" is a fact now? This is what we call anecdotes which aren't rational even if they're real and fanboys make up anecdotes which particularly sad. Even if you accept those fallacies, a proof by popularity is another one. It's all trying to avoid the subject of how far behind the times the PS4 is.

Edited by Screw this Nazi Site, Jan 9 2014, 2:59pm :

Mr. Hand said,

Yea, okay "easy to find" is a fact now? This is what we call anecdotes which aren't rational even if they're real and fanboys make up anecdotes which particularly sad. Even if you accept those fallacies, a proof by popularity is another one. It's all trying to avoid the subject of how far behind the times the PS4 is.

Actually it's a fact that PS4 is not as available as the Xbox one. In many markets too. It's also a fact that PS4 has been outselling the Xbox One so far.

By the looks of it, when it comes to solid proof, you don't have a leg to stand on. Numbers and facts are against you.

stevan said,

Actually it's a fact that PS4 is not as available as the Xbox one. In many markets too. It's also a fact that PS4 has been outselling the Xbox One so far.

By the looks of it, when it comes to solid proof, you don't have a leg to stand on. Numbers and facts are against you.

You skipped: Even if you accept those fallacies, a proof by popularity is another one. It's all trying to avoid the subject of how far behind the times the PS4 is.

Mr. Hand said,

You skipped: Even if you accept those fallacies, a proof by popularity is another one. It's all trying to avoid the subject of how far behind the times the PS4 is.

Behind what? Features are the one thing that can be debated. They are user specific, meaning that not everyone uses the same features and people buy consoles based on personal preferences. If I only want to game I'll buy a PS4. I wouldn't care what other console has to offer. If I want more media features, I would go for the Xbox one. It's a choice.

Right now more people are choosing the Ps4. It's very simple and you really can't deny it. PS4 had more pre orders than the Xbox, it sold more through online retailers, it's reported to be harder to find at several retailers and at the end of it all, the sales numbers prove it. So who exactly is trying to deny what?

I need you to bring educated arguments into your replies, one of my 2014 resolutions is not to argue with fanboys online.

Mr. Hand said,
No, they are not user specific. The XB1 completely blows it away on features and falling back on the proof by popularity fallacy yet again won't help that.

Ok thank you for proving my point. I figured maybe you'd argue another point. When there is any price difference, any at all, the features become user specific. The $100 difference is the proof of that. But even now, Sony is working on adding features that will bring it on par when it comes to extra features.

It's a very smart strategy to release a cheaper console now and add features later.

And please, explain it to me how the popularity doesn't help? Who exactly looses there? Xbox has more feature, that's true, but if PS4 sells more then Sony wins. Can't really argue against that.

No, they will not be able to add those features due to the lack of a hypervisor. That's what makes it the "smart phone" of consoles. It's just a matter of time before people understand that and Sony's offering looks obsolete. Yet another repeat of fallacy ignored.

Mr. Hand said,
No, they will not be able to add those features due to the lack of a hypervisor. That's what makes it the "smart phone" of consoles. It's just a matter of time before people understand that and Sony's offering looks obsolete. Yet another repeat of fallacy ignored.

Yeah they will. You need to do research.

its good that ps4 is released to more market... they would scoop up more xbox customers by the time microsoft released the console. its a win for sony

That's what everyone said with the PS3 delays but in the long term the sales averaged out to almost the same. This time I think it may be different just because the XB1 is so superior on the software side and the PS4 will age very quickly.

I'm surprised a streaming beta is coming so early, they really are moving on this stuff. I still have my old games and don't enjoy repurchasing things but I hope it works out for people new to these games and those who sold off their old games.

ACTIONpack said,
Wii U has 4.3 million units sold to date. They are the winners ;-)

wii U was released 1 year and 1 month ago.. wait for 1 weeks wii U will become a loser

And you have to pay for xbox live gold to play online as well as do anything meaningful with xbox. Any app that you want to use requires Gold... Only thing xbox allows without gold is play games offline.

While PS4 allows everything to be accessed except Play online. I think PS4 is much better in this regard.

For MS to say xbox is the entertainment center for the living room and then ask to shellout 60 to use anything is absurd.

-adrian- said,
throwing out half finished products on the market - yes

You can say whatever you want, but the number speak for themselves.

RommelS said,

You can say whatever you want, but the number speak for themselves.


true - doesn't stop the fact both products are unfinished. that what I said. impressive so many people still run out there and buy it. same like DayZ. but well.. playing it myself

-adrian- said,

true - doesn't stop the fact both products are unfinished. that what I said. impressive so many people still run out there and buy it. same like DayZ. but well.. playing it myself

When it was being tested internally, it was in a controlled environment. Now there are millions of beta testers.

-adrian- said,

true - doesn't stop the fact both products are unfinished. that what I said. impressive so many people still run out there and buy it. same like DayZ. but well.. playing it myself

In real life, things become "finished" at the same time they become obsolete.

VGChartz turns out to be rather reliable. They had Xbone at 2,9 million and PS3 at 3,9 million before these announcements.

microsoft just needs to price-cut the xbox one and it'll sell on par with the ps4.
But microsoft being able to sell 3 million xbox one units before the end of 2013 is a pretty huge accomplishment in itself. By comparison, the xbox 360's sales in the same time-frame seem pretty insignificant, so that's probably what microsoft are measuring xbox one sales against.

Sure, they would probably like to sell more, but I think ms is pretty happy with where xbox one sales are going right now. Besides, I'm sure they pulled a good amount of profit off of xbox one sales, seeing as how they're already selling the console at a profit from the start.

If they can do anything more at the moment, it'd be good to expand into more markets as soon as they can.

Overall they're selling it at a loss. Someone figured out the gross profit margin as a few dollars but that gets eaten up by your payroll and shipping. There is plenty of room in the market for a premium and a cheaper game console.

Sure MS could have just dropped the kinect and sell at a lower price. But what else MS should have done was include a kinect game with the console for the $499 price.

No, they couldn't because it's essential to the feature set. They would have to degrade it to the last decade's console like the PS4. If you want low end, get the PS4, but some of us are in the smartphone/Internet era.

Mr. Hand said,
No, they couldn't because it's essential to the feature set. They would have to degrade it to the last decade's console like the PS4. If you want low end, get the PS4, but some of us are in the smartphone/Internet era.

Yes and it works amazing all the time. Hahahaha

Mr. Hand said,

Was there an attempt make a point in there? Are you sarcastically saying the PS4 rarely works?

No, sarcastically saying that the Kinect doesn't work very well on the Xbox one. Based on a couple of reviews a few days ago...

stevan said,

No, sarcastically saying that the Kinect doesn't work very well on the Xbox one. Based on a couple of reviews a few days ago...

Well, based on my actual usage of it since day one, it works great. Even better than that is the features opened up with the hypervisor. Going back to the 360 and only being able to run one thing at a time is like traveling back in time which is still where the "new" PS4 is.

Mr. Hand said,

Well, based on my actual usage of it since day one, it works great. Even better than that is the features opened up with the hypervisor. Going back to the 360 and only being able to run one thing at a time is like traveling back in time which is still where the "new" PS4 is.

Really, you're actually going to use the argument that "if it works for me, it works for everyone else". Dude I'm laughing at you now.

My xbox 360 never failed, so the red ring of death must be a lie.

The link read "sony-42-million-playstation-4-consoles-sold-as-of-dec-28", almost had a heart-attack.

As for the guy mentioning tablest and phones, you're not educated enough in the matter to make the difference, so please refrain from spraying words online.

Both consoles will sell in tens of millions, but based on current numbers, sales from individual countries as well as online sales, I think PS4 will definitely outsell the Xbox One. And this is largely due to the $100 difference.

stevan said,
Both consoles will sell in tens of millions, but based on current numbers, sales from individual countries as well as online sales, I think PS4 will definitely outsell the Xbox One. And this is largely due to the $100 difference.

Not just the $100 difference, but you get an Entertainment ecosystem FOR FREE. Meaning that one does not need to subscribe to "PSN Live Gold" to access Netflix, Hulu, Vudu, etc....

stevan said,
....

Price has little to nothing to do with it.

I wouldn't settle for a PS4 because I couldn't afford an XBOX ONE.
Others would say I'm being ripped off paying $100 more for an inferior system.

Ether way, fans of the previous generation will keep brand loyalty. When price reductions happen, then it will be about library, not price.

VictorWho said,

Not just the $100 difference, but you get an Entertainment ecosystem FOR FREE. Meaning that one does not need to subscribe to "PSN Live Gold" to access Netflix, Hulu, Vudu, etc....

Yea, because $5/month that also gets you a whole ton of other stuff Sony doesn't have at all isn't worth it? Sorry, PS4 is last decades boring old console.

Mr. Hand said,

Yea, because $5/month that also gets you a whole ton of other stuff Sony doesn't have at all isn't worth it? Sorry, PS4 is last decades boring old console.

You must have skipped the conference Sony just had and announced several services that it didn't have at launch.

Sorry but now the only thing xbox will have over the ps4 I Kinect, and most of us can read reviews about just how well that works....

The point that the ps4 is just an upgraded gaming console has lost all weight. Microsoft should be worried, or slash the price on the Xbox one.

stevan said,
Both consoles will sell in tens of millions, but based on current numbers, sales from individual countries as well as online sales, I think PS4 will definitely outsell the Xbox One. And this is largely due to the $100 difference.
If you counts sold units per country, Xbox One is far ahead of PS4.

Studio384 said,
If you counts sold units per country, Xbox One is far ahead of PS4.

Really? Bc I thought ps4 outsold the xbox one in Us and the UK. And it still hasn't been released in it's home country.

But if you can show me otherwise, I'll correct myself

stevan said,

You must have skipped the conference Sony just had and announced several services that it didn't have at launch.

Sorry but now the only thing xbox will have over the ps4 I Kinect, and most of us can read reviews about just how well that works....

The point that the ps4 is just an upgraded gaming console has lost all weight. Microsoft should be worried, or slash the price on the Xbox one.

Lol, Microsoft shouldnt be worried yet. They have a lot more markets to start in. And just because Sony announced some new stuff doesnt mean they are here yet. Nor does it mean they will be good. Microsoft still has a lot to do with their console yet. And Titanfall hasnt even been released yet. Give it a few months and then re-evaluate the situation. Then Microsoft should worry =).

Scabrat said,

Lol, Microsoft shouldnt be worried yet. They have a lot more markets to start in. And just because Sony announced some new stuff doesnt mean they are here yet. Nor does it mean they will be good. Microsoft still has a lot to do with their console yet. And Titanfall hasnt even been released yet. Give it a few months and then re-evaluate the situation. Then Microsoft should worry =).

The reason I said they should worry now is bc Microsoft isn't exactly the fastest to respond. They don't need to panic, but worry and improve...

stevan said,

The reason I said they should worry now is bc Microsoft isn't exactly the fastest to respond. They don't need to panic, but worry and improve...

That is true. MS seems to be slow with their improvements.

stevan said,

The reason I said they should worry now is bc Microsoft isn't exactly the fastest to respond. They don't need to panic, but worry and improve...

It already blows away the PS4 in modern features. It really just totally and completely leaves it in the dust. All they have to do is wait for people to "get" the new concepts just like it took some time for people to understand what a smartphone is. You always have the momentum of people complaining when things change and then slowly realize how much better it is.

stevan said,

You must have skipped the conference Sony just had and announced several services that it didn't have at launch.

Sorry but now the only thing xbox will have over the ps4 I Kinect, and most of us can read reviews about just how well that works....

Sony + cloud services = lame. You also forget about the hypervisors which is huge. I can be in the middle of a game, tell it to record a clip, flip over to the clip editor, upload it to my skydrive, and flip right back to where I was in the game. In a few minutes it shows up on my PC where I can share it or upload it to youtube or whoever. This is integration that is just way outside Sony's capability as a hardware company. The gap is only going to get bigger as app developers figure out cool ways to use it.

Mr. Hand said,

It already blows away the PS4 in modern features. It really just totally and completely leaves it in the dust. All they have to do is wait for people to "get" the new concepts just like it took some time for people to understand what a smartphone is. You always have the momentum of people complaining when things change and then slowly realize how much better it is.

I think Microsoft has already proven to us that people don't really take time to get accustomed to the new features. Most of the Xbox one services, such as the TV guide, only works in North America with limited availability outside.

Yes, it's far too early to say who's gonna win, but based on current numbers, pre orders, sales in individual countries, sales online and the general availability of the consoles, PS4 is a clear winner...

stevan said,

I think Microsoft has already proven to us that people don't really take time to get accustomed to the new features. Most of the Xbox one services, such as the TV guide, only works in North America with limited availability outside.

Yes, it's far too early to say who's gonna win, but based on current numbers, pre orders, sales in individual countries, sales online and the general availability of the consoles, PS4 is a clear winner...

By "most" you mean "that one." The attempt to change the subject again away from features won't modernize the PS4. The hypervisor especially will make it look old and lame very quickly as people understand what it can do.

Mr. Hand said,

By "most" you mean "that one." The attempt to change the subject again away from features won't modernize the PS4.

No one is changing the subject from any features? But want to focus on sales? Haha thought so...

stevan said,

No one is changing the subject from any features? But want to focus on sales? Haha thought so...

Uh, yes, the point on the hypervisor and the point on the poor history of Sony cloud services. The attempted subject change is "but but but...a cheaper product sells more units" which is irrelevant to those points. If you want a budget game console, go nuts, but don't pretend it's anything but that.

Mr. Hand said,

Uh, yes, the point on the hypervisor and the point on the poor history of Sony cloud services. The attempted subject change is "but but but...a cheaper product sells more units" which is irrelevant to those points. If you want a budget game console, go nuts, but don't pretend it's anything but that.

And since they have bought a company that specialized in cloud services. But you seem to have skipped that one. It's like saying that the red ring of death means most xbox ones will fail. Please, for the love of god, bring some valid arguments to the table.

stevan said,

And since they have bought a company that specialized in cloud services. But you seem to have skipped that one. It's like saying that the red ring of death means most xbox ones will fail. Please, for the love of god, bring some valid arguments to the table.

Hypervisor skipped again. Sorry, Sony has shown no history of being able to provide good cloud services. That had to scramble and shutdown features just to handle the load of few hundred thousand new units signing on. Microsoft on the other hand has billions of clients accessing their services every day. Doesn't Sony still have the record for the biggest hacked downtime in Internet history?

Mr. Hand said,

Hypervisor skipped again. Sorry, Sony has shown no history of being able to provide good cloud services. That had to scramble and shutdown features just to handle the load of few hundred thousand new units signing on. Microsoft on the other hand has billions of clients accessing their services every day. Doesn't Sony still have the record for the biggest hacked downtime in Internet history?

And since they have bought Gaikai? Forget that? And billions of users? Haha you're hilarious...

Mr. Hand said,

Hypervisor skipped again. Sorry, Sony has shown no history of being able to provide good cloud services. That had to scramble and shutdown features just to handle the load of few hundred thousand new units signing on. Microsoft on the other hand has billions of clients accessing their services every day. Doesn't Sony still have the record for the biggest hacked downtime in Internet history?

Doesn't Microsoft have the record for releasing the most faulty console ever in 360?

For comparison, Sony sold 4.2 million in 48 markets, Xbox One sold 3 million in 13 markets.

Edited by bdsams, Jan 7 2014, 6:27pm :

bdsams said,
For comparison, Sony sold 4.2 million in 53 markets, Xbox One sold 3 million in 13 markets.

Microsoft opened in 13 markets, Sony only in 1.

stevan said,

Microsoft opened in 13 markets, Sony only in 1.

That only mattered at launch, but we are talking about sales now.

Sales now reflect a different mix. Sony in 48 markets, MS in 13.

bdsams said,
For comparison, Sony sold 4.2 million in 48 markets, Xbox One sold 3 million in 13 markets.

So now it's Sony's fault somehow that MS didn't release to more markets?

Could of been, would of been but we will never know will we?

Nice try to start a flame tho.

trooper11 said,

That only mattered at launch, but we are talking about sales now.

Sales now reflect a different mix. Sony in 48 markets, MS in 13.

Microsoft also had a shorter timespan.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,

So now it's Sony's fault somehow that MS didn't release to more markets?

Could of been, would of been but we will never know will we?

Nice try to start a flame tho.


Um, he never said anything about it being anyone's fault, nor did he say anything that should start a flame war.

The reality is that the ps4 is out in more markets. That's actually a good thing in the long run. That is also one (of many reasons) it has reached the 4.2 mark at this point.

Sometimes you guys need to just take a deep breath and accept comments as they are. That would avoid so many flame wars.

bdsams said,
For comparison, Sony sold 4.2 million in 48 markets, Xbox One sold 3 million in 13 markets.

microsoft opened in it's home country (usa), sony haven't opened in it's home country (japan).

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
Actually no. It was an direct excuse for the lower sale numbers for the One. So in other words a flame bait.

If you feel its flame bait, then you only let him win by acknowledging it. isn't that what trolls and such want?

Beyond that, its funny that I didn't see this kind of response when people brought up the fact that MS was out in more markets when it hit 1 million in 24hrs just like Sony did from some people that are now very quick to disregard that fact now.

Look, its not some attack against Sony to admit to certain realities. It doesn't make them look bad or hurt their image to say that yes, the ps4 is out in many more markets than the X1. That's like saying its so wrong to offer up the idea that the ps4 being $100 cheaper will lead to higher sales vs the X1.

I really don't get why this has to be an issue.

torrentthief said,

microsoft opened in it's home country (usa), sony haven't opened in it's home country (japan).

Sony beat MS to launch in their home country, so there wasn't much advantage to MS there.

torrentthief said,

microsoft opened in it's home country (usa), sony haven't opened in it's home country (japan).

And has already been said over and over and over and over again they're both selling all they can make which means it's irrelevant.

bdsams said,
For comparison, Sony sold 4.2 million in 48 markets, Xbox One sold 3 million in 13 markets.

Kind of a weak comparison when you seem to forget that the demand is greater than the supply. It's not as if they had enough supply to sell to each and every individual that wants the console.

There are still people in the US alone trying to get their hands on one. They're not sitting on shelves every so neatly.

dead.cell said,

Kind of a weak comparison when you seem to forget that the demand is greater than the supply. It's not as if they had enough supply to sell to each and every individual that wants the console.

There are still people in the US alone trying to get their hands on one. They're not sitting on shelves every so neatly.


Sitting on shelves or not doesn't really tell you anything though, not as long as there is still high demand. I guess it might say whether your making enough or not, but its still pretty vague.

Well, they're clearly not making enough, considering people in our area are still looking for them. I haven't seen a PS4 box since the 22nd of December when Best Buy had some in stock again.

dead.cell said,
Well, they're clearly not making enough, considering people in our area are still looking for them. I haven't seen a PS4 box since the 22nd of December when Best Buy had some in stock again.

That is true, but do we know for sure its due to Sony not making enough, or allocating them in ways that lead to shortages. They are spread pretty thin right now. I mean if MS and Sony both made 10 million consoles, its going to look like Sony is making far fewer than MS in markets they are both available in even though the reality is that Sony simply had to spread those consoles among more markets. 13 vs 48 is a big difference.

Heck, it wouldn't shock me to find out that Sony is currently forced to stockpile ps4s in order to prepare for their launch in Japan. They probably don't want to risk a huge shortage there.

Selling in 48 markets != having more consoles to sell.

Both Sony and MS could have the same number of stock in this scenario, just that Sony is spreading it over a larger number of countries.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,

So now it's Sony's fault somehow that MS didn't release to more markets?

Could of been, would of been but we will never know will we?

Nice try to start a flame tho.

What?... it's not their fault. It doesn't even matter whose fault it is.

His point was that you have to take that into consideration. You can't say 'Sony was able to sell 4.8 mil consoles to the same target audience that Microsoft sold 3 million to'.

Meaning that these figures can't be used to assert which console will be more succesful in the future. Having said that I personally believe the PS4 has the best chance based on price, and thats coming from an Xbox fan.

Ronnet said,

What?... it's not their fault. It doesn't even matter whose fault it is.

His point was that you have to take that into consideration. You can't say 'Sony was able to sell 4.8 mil consoles to the same target audience that Microsoft sold 3 million to'.

Meaning that these figures can't be used to assert which console will be more succesful in the future. Having said that I personally believe the PS4 has the best chance based on price, and thats coming from an Xbox fan.

Which has already been explained many times to be false market analysis.

Way to go Sony. 4.2 million, in such a short time... WOW...
And these so called experts yelling "console gaming is dead" at the top of their lungs...

Showan said,
Way to go Sony. 4.2 million, in such a short time... WOW...
And these so called experts yelling "console gaming is dead" at the top of their lungs...

consoles are dead because they have only sold 4.2 million devices whereas 10x more smart phones and tablets which are replacing consoles as the #1 gaming device are sold. so yeah, console gaming is dead.

off course you're going to see high demand for now, but let's face the simple fact that it took sony and MSFT about 7 years to each sell about 70 million devices. That works to a pathetic 10 million units per year. Android activates 10 million gaming devices every 10 days or so, and this doesn't include pcs and iOS devices.

you do the math. it's just a matter of numbers, and consoles remain low sellers.

Showan said,
Way to go Sony. 4.2 million, in such a short time... WOW...
And these so called experts yelling "console gaming is dead" at the top of their lungs...

4.2 million units sold != profit.

neonspark said,

consoles are dead because they have only sold 4.2 million devices whereas 10x more smart phones and tablets which are replacing consoles as the #1 gaming device are sold. so yeah, console gaming is dead.

off course you're going to see high demand for now, but let's face the simple fact that it took sony and MSFT about 7 years to each sell about 70 million devices. That works to a pathetic 10 million units per year. Android activates 10 million gaming devices every 10 days or so, and this doesn't include pcs and iOS devices.

you do the math. it's just a matter of numbers, and consoles remain low sellers.

lol everyone person I know which is a lot has a phone capable of playing games and not a single one uses it for playing games. ITS A PHONE of course more are sold jees. I dont know anyone that bought a phone thinking about the games. I am one of the biggest gamers i know and I have one of the fastest phones on the market and I may of played some angry birds while i was bored one day but thats it. I spend 20hours+ on consoles or pc playing games.

You cant compare people buying phones to people buying dedicated gaming consoles.

neonspark said,

you do the math. it's just a matter of numbers, and consoles remain low sellers.


But the question is not if consoles can somehow sell as much as smartphones or tablets ( which just seems silly considering most tablets and smart phones are not bought in order to game, gaming just happens to be a part of it), the question is can the two co-exist?

Can console live happily in a world where smartphones and tablets are popular? Well if they can sell as well or better than the previous generation of consoles, I think the answer is yes.

The key is that consoles have to evolve on the software side to offer more connected access to services people want, beyond just gaming.

neonspark said,

consoles are dead because they have only sold 4.2 million devices whereas 10x more smart phones and tablets which are replacing consoles as the #1 gaming device are sold. so yeah, console gaming is dead..

So anything you can possibly use for a game is exactly the same? I wonder how dice and cards compare with units sold?

This doesn't mean consoles are dead. Consoles are nothing without the games that play on it. How much money are game developers making?

I don't see console gaming at all. Eventually console gaming will evolve into something bigger and better. Perhaps something into a "virtual reality" scenario.

I don't get this tablet and smartphone "gaming" nonsense thats being posted here. Has every single PC ever sold been counted as a "gaming device" when measured against consoles? If not, why are the "console gaming is dead long live tablets and smartphone" tools doing it for mobile devices?

neonspark said,

you do the math. it's just a matter of numbers, and consoles remain low sellers.

Lets start by using fair figures. Not all Android handsets that are activated will be used for gaming. Most Android users dont pay for apps. The comparison is ridiculous.

Instead you should look at revenue generated from consoles and gaming on phones. In such a comparison console gaming isn't dead. These 7,2 million nextgen gamers will buy expensive games. These games alone are priced higher then a large majority of the sold Android devices!

Not every phone is a guarantee of sold gaming titles. If you buy a console, you will buy at least a couple games which are where large amounts of profit are made. You have to sell a ton of angry birds at ..99 to make more than the 39.99 version on xbox. It's a rip for angry birds but that is how that works out. If there is money to make it ain't dead.

neonspark said,

consoles are dead because they have only sold 4.2 million devices whereas 10x more smart phones and tablets which are replacing consoles as the #1 gaming device are sold. so yeah, console gaming is dead.

Using that logic, airplanes are dead because far more trips are taken by car than by airplane.

A product is dead when the product itself is doing poorly. Not because a different product is doing well.

neonspark said,

.

What a strange analogy to make How many copies of GTA5 sold? Sure some games can be played on some tablets and phones but these aren`t really proper games.
Remember years back when you wen`t to an arcade to play games then someone gave you a hand held thing. You were like "this is cool", for about 5 minutes then it got shoved in the wardrobe never to see the light again

Anthony Tosie said,

Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony don't get most of their gaming money from console unit sales...

exactly my point, ergo number of consoles sold is not proof of console gaming being alive or dead.

Osiris said,

exactly my point, ergo number of consoles sold is not proof of console gaming being alive or dead.


It does prove consumer interest though. The fact that they are both selling faster then any previous effort has to mean something as far as consumer demand.

Showan said,
Way to go Sony. 4.2 million, in such a short time... WOW...
And these so called experts yelling "console gaming is dead" at the top of their lungs...

When you release every 7 years you'll probably get an early bounce...

Osiris said,

exactly my point, ergo number of consoles sold is not proof of console gaming being alive or dead.


I don't know that you have much of an argument there. The sales easily outpace the previous generation at the same point, meaning there's clearly an active market. My comment was merely regarding how console manufacturers primarily make their profit; I wasn't aware your were implying console unit sales aren't indicative of a market's strength.

neonspark said,

consoles are dead because they have only sold 4.2 million devices whereas 10x more smart phones and tablets which are replacing consoles as the #1 gaming device are sold. so yeah, console gaming is dead.

off course you're going to see high demand for now, but let's face the simple fact that it took sony and MSFT about 7 years to each sell about 70 million devices. That works to a pathetic 10 million units per year. Android activates 10 million gaming devices every 10 days or so, and this doesn't include pcs and iOS devices.

you do the math. it's just a matter of numbers, and consoles remain low sellers.


This is pointless. Phone is for calling, console is for playing. people buy more phones because they need to communicate more than playing games. you can play with phones and you can call with consoles but neither one is replaced by another.

neonspark said,

consoles are dead because they have only sold 4.2 million devices whereas 10x more smart phones and tablets which are replacing consoles as the #1 gaming device are sold. so yeah, console gaming is dead.

off course you're going to see high demand for now, but let's face the simple fact that it took sony and MSFT about 7 years to each sell about 70 million devices. That works to a pathetic 10 million units per year. Android activates 10 million gaming devices every 10 days or so, and this doesn't include pcs and iOS devices.

you do the math. it's just a matter of numbers, and consoles remain low sellers.

You also have to remember that consoles are something that you don't carry with you. A family of 5 can have 5 phones, and one gaming console. Another thing, it is cheaper to purchase a phone because it can be subsidize unlike the console - granted, MS did try it.

Anthony Tosie said,

I don't know that you have much of an argument there. The sales easily outpace the previous generation at the same point, meaning there's clearly an active market. My comment was merely regarding how console manufacturers primarily make their profit; I wasn't aware your were implying console unit sales aren't indicative of a market's strength.

Will the PS4 touch the PS2 sales figures (which trolled the PS3)? I doubt it.
Will the Xbox One touch the 360 sales? I doubt it.

ExplodingKnees said,

Will the PS4 touch the PS2 sales figures (which trolled the PS3)? I doubt it.
Will the Xbox One touch the 360 sales? I doubt it.


You guys keep changing the conversation. First we're talking about whether the market is alive or dead, then we're talking about if console sales equate to profit, and now we're talking about if the sales figures for the life of the product will be greater than two of the best-selling consoles of all time.

All of those conversations may have some tangential relevance to one another, but they're not the same conversation -- they involve drastically different variables.

Anthony Tosie said,

You guys keep changing the conversation. First we're talking about whether the market is alive or dead, then we're talking about if console sales equate to profit, and now we're talking about if the sales figures for the life of the product will be greater than two of the best-selling consoles of all time.

All of those conversations may have some tangential relevance to one another, but they're not the same conversation -- they involve drastically different variables.

I didn't change anything. The base comment referred to 4.2 million sold and people saying "console gaming is dead".

I'm merely suggesting both MS and Sony will do well to get anywhere near the unit numbers of the previous generations.

Anthony Tosie said,

You guys keep changing the conversation. First we're talking about whether the market is alive or dead, then we're talking about if console sales equate to profit, and now we're talking about if the sales figures for the life of the product will be greater than two of the best-selling consoles of all time.

All of those conversations may have some tangential relevance to one another, but they're not the same conversation -- they involve drastically different variables.

This ^^^

Anthony Tosie said,

Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony don't get most of their gaming money from console unit sales...

Exactly right, they don't. They get most of their money from selling games and subscription services, not the consoles themselves.

neonspark said,

consoles are dead because they have only sold 4.2 million devices whereas 10x more smart phones and tablets which are replacing consoles as the #1 gaming device are sold. so yeah, console gaming is dead.

off course you're going to see high demand for now, but let's face the simple fact that it took sony and MSFT about 7 years to each sell about 70 million devices. That works to a pathetic 10 million units per year. Android activates 10 million gaming devices every 10 days or so, and this doesn't include pcs and iOS devices.

you do the math. it's just a matter of numbers, and consoles remain low sellers.

Gaming capable devices, not gaming devices. There is a difference.

Also this is the biggest console launch ever, console gaming isnt dead. Mobile gaming I personally believe helped get people into gaming and now console gaming is getting the benefit.

I hope MS comes up with something similar. I know they were working on something, but were saying that there are issues

yeah if there running on wifi, i wouldnt like to see my data bill at the end of the month on 3G, HSDPA or 4G... unless you manage to get unlimited data. but even then youve got latency then hoping the device its running on can decompress it well enough etc so guess youll have to wait and see.... guess it wont ever be released for WP or winRT etc hah... ah nvm says sony TV's tablets and smartphones so its not for the whole market just sony stuff. at least stuff from the PS1+2 will be easy to stream cus it wont take much processing power but what will they do about the PS3 games if there all designed to run on a cell processor? maybe some kind of on the fly conversion... who knows