Sony CEO: format war in 'stalemate'

The two next-gen optical disc formats - Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD - are running neck and neck, Sony CEO Howard Stringer has conceded. And he admitted yesterday that Paramount's move to favour HD DVD has hindered Blu-ray's pitch. "We were trying to win on the merits, which we were doing for a while, until Paramount changed sides," Stringer said last night at a meeting in Manhattan, Associated Press reports.

In July, Paramount and Warner were the only major movie distributors supporting both formats. The following month, Paramount said it would no longer offer Blu-ray movies. "It's a difficult fight," he said and admitted the battle had reached a "stalemate".

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the keyword here is "stale", as in "who give a sh_t".

of course, i maybe wrong ... judging by the numbers of buffoonish response on this thread.

Sounds like a planned overture to me. The next step will be the head of the HD DVD camp expressing the same assessment. Then there will come a grand announcement...

Yep, but I think it's gonna go like this:

1. Sony makes this statement through CEO that format war is really about prestige and not 10 billion dollars in royalties and the fact that they've been pouncing Blu-Ray victory for the whole year

2. Warner announces HD DVD exclusivity

3. Sony confirms it was all about prestige and that they are actually more interested in PS3 succeeding.

4. Fox and Disney start publishing HD DVD titles

5. CE Companies start releasing HD DVD hardware in the $300-$400 as brand names

6. Sony finally switches to HD DVD production too keeping Blu-Ray in the UMD status and possibly storage alternative with recorders.

We are all one big happy family again.


Done. Of course time period for these events is still undertermined but I'm pretty sure that's how it's gonna go.

Boz said,
Yep, but I think it's gonna go like this:

1. Sony makes this statement through CEO that format war is really about prestige and not 10 billion dollars in royalties and the fact that they've been pouncing Blu-Ray victory for the whole year

Number of patent related to DVD

[6C] Matsu****a (Panasonic): 198 (41%)
[6C] Toshiba: 81 (17%)
[6C] Hitachi: 68 (14%)
[6C] JVC: 55 (11%)
[6C] Mitsubishi: 26 (5%)

[3C] Philips: 20 (4.1%)
[3C] Pioneer: 19 (4.0%)
[3C] Sony: 13 (2.7%)

How many of those are HD DVD companies? ONE. All the rest are Blu-ray exclusive.

2. Warner announces HD DVD exclusivity

Yes, they will give up selling twice the product. That's why their exec said recently BD was selling more and that supporting 2 formats won't go on indefinitely.

3. Sony confirms it was all about prestige and that they are actually more interested in PS3 succeeding.

Again, look at the patent pool. I guess all those other companies were all in it for the PS3 as well.

4. Fox and Disney start publishing HD DVD titles

As long as there is no copy protection or region coding, forget that ever happening. Of course weren't you saying this a year ago?

5. CE Companies start releasing HD DVD hardware in the $300-$400 as brand names

As opposed on BD players which is happening now.

6. Sony finally switches to HD DVD production too keeping Blu-Ray in the UMD status and possibly storage alternative with recorders.

Toshiba's slogging this alone and you say this. What bizarro universe is this?

We are all one big happy family again.

No, because Microsoft wants the war to continue to marginalize HD media and push downloads instead.


Done. Of course time period for these events is still undertermined but I'm pretty sure that's how it's gonna go.

Aren't you tired of being wrong yet?

PeterTHX said,
Number of patent related to DVD

[6C] Matsu****a (Panasonic): 198 (41%)
[6C] Toshiba: 81 (17%)
[6C] Hitachi: 68 (14%)
[6C] JVC: 55 (11%)
[6C] Mitsubishi: 26 (5%)

[3C] Philips: 20 (4.1%)
[3C] Pioneer: 19 (4.0%)
[3C] Sony: 13 (2.7%)

How many of those are HD DVD companies? ONE. All the rest are Blu-ray exclusive.

And that has nothing to do with HD-DVD. You really think other companies can't join the HD-DVD group and produce HD-DVD players?

Yes, they will give up selling twice the product. That's why their exec said recently BD was selling more and that supporting 2 formats won't go on indefinitely.

If they go HD-DVD exclusively, more people will buy $99 HD-DVD players and buy the discs, thus negating any negative consequences for dropping Blu-Ray.

Again, look at the patent pool. I guess all those other companies were all in it for the PS3 as well. :rolleyes:

And again, this proves nothing. Sony is the largest backer of Blu-Ray. I don't see many ads from Pioneer and the other companies - I see a ton of Blu-Ray ads from Sony.

As long as there is no copy protection or region coding, forget that ever happening. Of course weren't you saying this a year ago?

The Blu-Ray copy protection was cracked a couple days ago. There is zero advantage for Blu-Ray - even the region codes can be bypassed.

As opposed on BD players which is happening now.

These are the higher-end players - I'm sure the majority of players sold will be in the $99 range.

Toshiba's slogging this alone and you say this. What bizarro universe is this?

How many times do we have to point to the HD-DVD member list? Over 60 companies. Toshiba is the one making the players, but there is nothing to prevent other companies from making the players. I would expect other companies to join in soon.

No, because Microsoft wants the war to continue to marginalize HD media and push downloads instead.

...And you have no proof of that. Even if it did, instant HD streaming is far more preferable than the inconveniences of physical media.

Aren't you tired of being wrong yet?

Actually, the opposite is true.

NateB1 said,
And that has nothing to do with HD-DVD. You really think other companies can't join the HD-DVD group and produce HD-DVD players?

No they won't. There's no money in it.

If they go HD-DVD exclusively, more people will buy $99 HD-DVD players and buy the discs, thus negating any negative consequences for dropping Blu-Ray.

I don't know where you've been but the $99 sale is over. Clearance sales of a format that doesn't sell won't save it.

And again, this proves nothing. Sony is the largest backer of Blu-Ray. I don't see many ads from Pioneer and the other companies - I see a ton of Blu-Ray ads from Sony.

Must not watch TV much. Actually Panasonic is the biggest.

The Blu-Ray copy protection was cracked a couple days ago. There is zero advantage for Blu-Ray - even the region codes can be bypassed.

Slysoft claiming they have on one title is different than actually doing it. BD+ doesn't work that way, it's not a global encryption, it works on a title by title basis. Get your facts straight.

How many times do we have to point to the HD-DVD member list? Over 60 companies. Toshiba is the one making the players, but there is nothing to prevent other companies from making the players. I would expect other companies to join in soon.

NONE of those companies makes the hardware other than Toshiba. And there are *not* 60 hardware companies there. Besides, like anyone familiar with business, they want to make money doing it. Fire sales will just scare away everyone.

...And you have no proof of that. Even if it did, instant HD streaming is far more preferable than the inconveniences of physical media.

Holy moley. Did I just read that? You'd rather download low bitrate, low quality media that takes forever to download and playable in a limited amount of machines that you don't OWN, just RENT...
No wonder. HD DVD is the lowest quality physical media, so naturally you have no problem with low quality downloads.

What they really mean is that they're starting to lose the war, hopefully they'll port over the current Blu Ray discs to HD DVD.

its very bad i hope it ends soon... the whole one company on one and one company on another just ticks me off.. I want one movie thats only avalible on HDDVD and then i want another movie thats only avalible on BluRay... hurry and end then release everything on HDDVD

Of course, you fail to mention the previous week's HD-DVD sales numbers:

10/21 51/49
10/28 55/45

Very, very close. Just wait until after the holiday season - if there are more $99 deals, you can bet that HD-DVDs will start selling.


Transformers.

Next week may be even worse for HD DVD: the Pixar films are huge sellers.

Still have Die Hard, Simpsons, and Pirates 3 to go.

Shrek & Bourne are the remainder for HD DVD this year (Harry Potter is dual format)

PeterTHX said,
Transformers.

Next week may be even worse for HD DVD: the Pixar films are huge sellers.

Still have Die Hard, Simpsons, and Pirates 3 to go.

Shrek & Bourne are the remainder for HD DVD this year (Harry Potter is dual format)

Every HD thread, you spout the SAME MOVIES! For the LOVE OF GOD, man... pick some new titles.

PeterTHX said,
Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending November 4th:

Latest sales numbers

Week Ending: BD-71% HDD-29%
Year To Date: BD-64% HDD-36%
Since Inception: BD-61% HDD-39%

That's nice, but whose in a better position to know what they are taking about than the Sony CEO?

VHS vs Betamax is a red herring, a better example is DVD+ vs DVD-, which one won? neither really, dvd drives just played/recorded both formats.

I imagine high definition dvds of any kind will only take off when there is a reasonably priced player that plays every format of disk.

dimithrak said,
for some reason, i think sony is gonna fail this race, like they did so long ago with VHS vs Betamax

Well if Sony fails they still have Panasonic, Pioneer, Hitachi, Sharp, Philips, Apple, etc to take up the fight.
Anyone who thinks Blu-ray is a Sony only operation is seriously mistaken.

Meanwhile if Toshiba dropped HD DVD it is *done*.

PeterTHX said,

Well if Sony fails they still have Panasonic, Pioneer, Hitachi, Sharp, Philips, Apple, etc to take up the fight.
Anyone who thinks Blu-ray is a Sony only operation is seriously mistaken.

Meanwhile if Toshiba dropped HD DVD it is *done*.


Toshiba also has a list of partner companies supporting HD, other than Microsoft.

RCA, LG, Samsung, NEC, HP, Sanyo, Hitachi, Bandai, Kenwood, Canon, and the rest of the 61 companies.

http://www.hddvdprg.com/eng/about/member.html

I know Blu-Ray was performing well, but the cheaper HD DVD development (and hence higher profit margin and lower consumer prices depending on corporate greed factor) as well as cheaper players make it a force to be reckoned with. Blu-Ray is great, but you just can't count HD DVD out right away.

Skyfrog said,

I don't really think a blank media format is all that comparable to a home movie format.


home movies on DVDs have been DVD- based afaik at least

Glassed Silver:mac

I don't exactly see all those people who bought those $99 player rushing out to buy HD DVDs. A good many of them probably bought it for the upconverting. After all, Joe Six-Pack thinks that they automagically turn all standard DVDs into HD.

Galley said,
I don't exactly see all those people who bought those $99 player rushing out to buy HD DVDs. A good many of them probably bought it for the upconverting. After all, Joe Six-Pack thinks that they automagically turn all standard DVDs into HD.

Well, even upconverting does make it look better than SD, on a good HDTV that is.

yawn, we will rather see the next gen of formats than a clear winner in this battle i am affraid...
too bad, keeps me from buying their stuff... AT ALL i mean

^read this, movie studios!

Glassed Silver:mac

We were trying to win on the merits, which we were doing for a while

Lol that is such bull ****. Pure 100% unadulterated high grade bull ****.

They were winning because of Playstation 3 period. No ifs, and or buts about it. Merit... sure there.

Most people watching Blu-ray are doing so because they can with the PS3. If it weren't for the PS3, I think they would have been neck and neck all along. It's a format war and if it was just stand alone players decieding the fight, I don't think either would be outselling the other by much.

Only when there are 99$ HD-DVD players sold did a lot of people buy the units and created this stalemate. Also I don't think Paramounts move had as much to do with it as what I said above.

I am not taking sides, just stating that having your format included in a video game console goes a large way to get people to use the format... it wasn't soo much merit.