Sony: Microsoft adding FIFA 14 to European Xbox One bundles is "kind of odd"

Last week at Gamescom, Microsoft announced that all of launch versions of the upcoming Xbox One consoles sold in Europe would come with a free digital download copy of FIFA 14. It was seen by many as a way to add some value to Microsoft's product, which at the moment is priced 100 euros more than Sony's upcoming rival console, the PlayStation 4.

But if Europeans thought that Sony was going to add their own free game in with the PS4 in time for its launch, they will likely be disappointed. In an interview with the UK-based Metro website, the head of Sony's PlayStation division in Europe, Jim Ryan, hinted that Microsoft made such a move to boost lagging pre-order sales for the Xbox One.

Ryan said:

It’s perfectly rational when a platform holder, or indeed a publisher, runs a pre-order campaign to engage in promotional behaviour to dial it up if you feel it’s not where you need it to be. That’s a rational thing for any businessman to do. We’re perfectly happy with where our pre-order are.

Ryan added that, in his opinion, giving away a major game like FIFA 14 with the launch of the Xbox One is "kind of odd". So far, Microsoft has not announced a similar free game deal for the US Xbox One launch.

On the subject of the PS4, Ryan said that Sony didn't know yet how many units of the console they would have ready for its launch. Sony announced last week that the PS4 would be released on November 15th in the US and November 29th in Europe and that the company had already received over one million pre-orders for the console.

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How free is free? I can't help but think that as this is EA it will be filled with in game purchases.

Adding value to a product is not odd it is nice for the customer, plain and simple. Sony need to shut up and concentrate on their console.

watch it sony. microsoft could just create like a scroogled campaign about the PSN security breach. MS kept quiet at the time.

It is a nice move from part of MS, however, who is earning is not MS but EA. It is not that EA is giving his second flagship product for free.

never used a kinect but looks like its useful even if its not if xbox. Headset is included in the box because when MS did the opening of a retail box the headset was included.

In terms of power you know how it said max of 204GB/sec out of the eSRAM, i think thats wrong. More like 816GB/sec with a 1024 bit wide memory bus, 4x 8MB eSram modules each module has 256 bit memory bus and min 109GB/sec max 204GB/sec transfer rate. It also has quad channel DDR 3 4x 2GB ram units. I think the xbox seems to be underpowered but i think youll be surprised

That would make the PS4 only $40 more expensive now and lacking many features of the X1. I am not talking about HW but features.

I dont understand his comment? It is not odd. It makes perfect business sense for MS to do it to narrow the pricing gap. FIFA is huge in Europe.

I wish Sony would bundle something free too. XBOX will have fifa and at least 1 character to play Killer Instinct. What can you play on Sony out of the box?

I am most likely getting Sony, but I am not certain by any means. xbox is looking good too.

Am I missing something? Did he explain why he thought it was "odd"?

Is it the actual choice of game he finds odd? Or is it just the inclusion of any game that he finds odd?

Maybe if you bought a bundle deal but I can't remember the last time a console launched in the UK with a game included as standard. Maybe the SNES with Mario?

Steve121178 said,
Maybe if you bought a bundle deal but I can't remember the last time a console launched in the UK with a game included as standard. Maybe the SNES with Mario?

Haha i actually did by a SNES with Mario bundled. When the PS2 and 360 launched they both had bundled game options, apologies i can't remember what they were now. I can't speak of the PS3 though as i didn't buy it at launch.

SPARTdAN said,
Sony are really arrogant with this next gen console launch.

MS made mistakes on how they conveyed their strategies to the community, and they are trying to capitalize on it. They will continue to do as long they think they can get an advantage on it.

This is a great move for MS to do, so far Sony has had football in the Playstation court/home w/e you want to call it. Lots of times when you watch a game and look at the ads you'll see lots of Sony Playstation ads and basically zero Xbox ads. Now that could just be that MS didn't market it much or that Sony has/had a tighter marketing deal with FIFA going on for quite some time. Either way, if MS can break into that and make that same connection with gamers that the Playstation has done when it comes to FIFA then it's a big win for them.

Having Madden in the US would be another big move but it's a toss up, they could do the same with and have even better results with a game like CoD in the US as well IMO.

This isn't "kind of odd" for EU sports fans like me, what would be odd is if they included Madden in the bundle in the EU.

Doesn't the EU region generally pay more for games and consoles? Honestly, its a great thing, and I wish Sony would do it too.

499 Euro = $666.85 USD, right?

Chikairo said,
Doesn't the EU region generally pay more for games and consoles? Honestly, its a great thing, and I wish Sony would do it too.

499 Euro = $666.85 USD, right?

It depends on the exchange rate at the time and also the VAT in the EU country you're talking about since they're not all the same. I'm going to have to pay 499 Euros but that's with 23% VAT included in the price. If you take out the VAT it's 384.23 which is $514.86 give or take when doing the conversion, so, close to the US price of $499 which is, iirc, without tax added in yet.

We do, but our prices include VAT (sales tax) whereas US prices don't. There IS still a pricing discrepancy, it's just not quite as large as people think it is.

FloatingFatMan said,
We do, but our prices include VAT (sales tax) whereas US prices don't. There IS still a pricing discrepancy, it's just not quite as large as people think it is.

Do you feel this will help make up for the discrepancy in price? Maybe not for yourself personally, but the average consumer? Would you want to see more of this? Perhaps a choice of games?

The pricing discrepancy is, for the most part, less than the price of a AAA title.

More than one bundle would be nice. Personally, I don't care for Fifa, but there are other titles that would be nice.

It would be nice if instead it came with some credit in the MS store to be able to buy a game of choice, or maybe a free year of Live Gold access. However, on the game front, they're giving us Fifa because they clearly cut a deal with EA to get it at greatly reduced price.

Translation:
We at Sony doesn't have the economy to bundle games and sell the console at a lower profit margin at this point

HawkMan said,
Translation:
We at Sony doesn't have the economy to bundle games and sell the console at a lower profit margin at this point

Translation:
Microsoft are cheap because they still refuse to include headset with xbox one despite looking like it cost less than half a dollar to make.

n_K said,

Translation:
Microsoft are cheap because they still refuse to include headset with xbox one despite looking like it cost less than half a dollar to make.


errr the headset is included with the xbox1

n_K said,

Translation:
Microsoft are cheap because they still refuse to include headset with xbox one despite looking like it cost less than half a dollar to make.

Someone hasn't been paying attention to the XBox One news lately...

HawkMan said,
Translation:
We at Sony doesn't have the economy to bundle games and sell the console at a lower profit margin at this point

Ha ha the typical spin from Hawkman.
In case you havent noticed the PS4 is cheaper to begin with and the move by Microsoft does nothing to reduce the price of the X1. Sony are in a strong position and dont need to do anything as the move by Microsoft is reactive to their lower price anyway.
Additionally if you want to get into the price comparison, a PS4 + fifa is still cheaper than the X1.
So to conclude Microsoft are saying:
We at Microsoft don't have the economy to sell the console at a lower profit margin at this point.

The X1 comes with more hardware than the PS4 too, so of course it's going to cost more. If Sony bundled their Kinect-type device with the PS4, it would increase the price.

the better twin said,

Ha ha the typical spin from Hawkman.
In case you havent noticed the PS4 is cheaper to begin with and the move by Microsoft does nothing to reduce the price of the X1. Sony are in a strong position and dont need to do anything as the move by Microsoft is reactive to their lower price anyway.
Additionally if you want to get into the price comparison, a PS4 + fifa is still cheaper than the X1.
So to conclude Microsoft are saying:
We at Microsoft don't have the economy to sell the console at a lower profit margin at this point.

Do Sony include the Eye toy Camera, Move or a headset with the PS4, no they don't.

Microsoft include Kinect and a headset in with the Xbox One even though they don't have to so the addition of a game is a great idea to sweeten the deal. You also have to remember that Xbox One isn't just a games console like the PS4, it functions like a set top box as well.

the better twin said,

Ha ha the typical spin from Hawkman.
In case you havent noticed the PS4 is cheaper to begin

Because you don;t get as much for the price.

MikeChipshop said,

Because you don;t get as much for the price.


On the contrary you get a more powerful console and instead of being forced to pay for a useless motion control accessory you never want to use, you can put that extra cash you saved towards a game.

EvilAstroboy said,


errr the headset is included with the xbox1


I've heard that, and I've checked a few sites selling the XB1 including MS's store and NONE of them list the headset as being included, so unless you've got a store saying otherwise....

n_K said,

I've heard that, and I've checked a few sites selling the XB1 including MS's store and NONE of them list the headset as being included, so unless you've got a store saying otherwise....

MICROSOFT said otherwise, so that's enough I think... LOL

the better twin said,

On the contrary you get a more powerful console and instead of being forced to pay for a useless motion control accessory you never want to use, you can put that extra cash you saved towards a game.

Fanboyism doesn't fly with me. Convince yourself of what ever you want but don't pass it off as fact. I've been a huge advocate of seeing all the facts before choosing the next console i buy and what you're saying above is false opinion and fanboy waffle.

the better twin said,

On the contrary you get a more powerful console and instead of being forced to pay for a useless motion control accessory you never want to use, you can put that extra cash you saved towards a game.

First, Kinect is hardly the worthless pile of crap Sony put together to compete with... And you'll likely be surprised by what will be possible when developers can count on it being there and make the investment into cool new experiences (which they haven't so far because it wasn't included). Calling it useless only shows how little you can think outside the box.

As for the PS4 being more powerful, with the cloud support and dedicated game servers for the XBox One (Something Sony would be unable to even do), it's hardly more powerful. Developers develop largely to lowest common denominator on the hardware level. So, while you'll see absolutely no difference on the PS4, on the XBox One, you'll see developers actually taking advantage of the cloud to build out better experiences. Additionally, the cloud will allow the console to have more power to work with as time goes on as well. I'm really not sure how so many people are having a problem with this, but the PS4 hardly wins on specs...

M_Lyons10 said,

First, Kinect is hardly the worthless pile of crap Sony put together to compete with...

Dont want either. Why should people pay for something they dont want?

M_Lyons10 said,

And you'll likely be surprised by what will be possible when developers can count on it being there and make the investment into cool new experiences (which they haven't so far because it wasn't included). Calling it useless only shows how little you can think outside the box.

Ha. We heard the same drivel about the first Kinect and look how that turned out. Theres a reason Microsoft have taken a step back from showing off the "capabilities" of Kinect. Looks so much better to me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUxFr1JN7YY

M_Lyons10 said,

As for the PS4 being more powerful, with the cloud support and dedicated game servers for the XBox One .
Oh boy... Where to even start? You keep believing in fairy tales.

the better twin said,

Ha. We heard the same drivel about the first Kinect and look how that turned out. Theres a reason Microsoft have taken a step back from showing off the "capabilities" of Kinect. Looks so much better to me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUxFr1JN7YY

1st Kinect didn't turn out so bad, it was used for a lot of Important things , infact it helped Doctors

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/heal...s-in-the-operating-room/277


So it wasn't a "Gimmick" as some say ..

MikeChipshop said,

Fanboyism doesn't fly with me. Convince yourself of what ever you want but don't pass it off as fact. I've been a huge advocate of seeing all the facts before choosing the next console i buy and what you're saying above is false opinion and fanboy waffle.


I think you are being blinded by your own fanboy nature unfortunately.
Fact one: PS4 is more powerful.
Fact two: You are forced to purchase Kinect with the Xbox One
Fact three: You could put the money saved by buying a PS4 towards a new game.
Care to discuss which facts I am trying to pass off as opinion?

the better twin said,

I think you are being blinded by your own fanboy nature unfortunately.
Fact one: PS4 is more powerful.
Fact two: You are forced to purchase Kinect with the Xbox One
Fact three: You could put the money saved by buying a PS4 towards a new game.
Care to discuss which facts I am trying to pass off as opinion?

Fact 1.

Its not about "Power" its about the best experience ( IMO Xbox has a way better experience then the PS3 )
Kinect comes WITH the XBOX1 ( $50 more then the PS4, with out such a thing , here in OZ )
Again, in OZ, its only $50 less then the XBOX1, so really its not a game, because Games are something like $88 ....

the better twin said,

I think you are being blinded by your own fanboy nature unfortunately.
Fact one: PS4 is more powerful.
Fact two: You are forced to purchase Kinect with the Xbox One
Fact three: You could put the money saved by buying a PS4 towards a new game.
Care to discuss which facts I am trying to pass off as opinion?

Fact One: Specifications on paper will indicate that PS4 is more powerful. However, both system have different implementation on how things are handle, and don't forget about how XONE will utilize the Cloud.

Here is the real fact here, just because one system has the horsepower doesn't mean it will be the most powerful system. It is all about implementation, and right now, no one knows which system is more powerful until is out on the market.

FACT TWO and THREE: Yes you are right, you can save the money to pay for A GAME, but the fact you failed to realized the saving that you are talking about can only go so far. With the new technological advancement and OOB features of Kinect, and its possibilities, $100 extra can offset that savings that you are talking about. I would bet my $100 on the possibility that my gaming experience can be enhanced rather than purchasing a single game based on a few savings.

FloatingFatMan said,
The X1 comes with more hardware than the PS4 too, so of course it's going to cost more. If Sony bundled their Kinect-type device with the PS4, it would increase the price.

But the PS4 is more powerful than the Xbox. The extra hardware comes in form of Kinect which is only good for voice commands.

MindTrickz said,

But the PS4 is more powerful than the Xbox. The extra hardware comes in form of Kinect which is only good for voice commands.

But the PS4 isn't more powerful. Microsoft revealed a lot of details recently about how the X1's architecture is put together and many people are backtracking on their claims that it's going to be less powerful than the PS4.

spenser.d said,

But the PS4 isn't more powerful. Microsoft revealed a lot of details recently about how the X1's architecture is put together and many people are backtracking on their claims that it's going to be less powerful than the PS4.


Nope they are saying that it wont be as far behind as first thought.. Its still not as powerful though.

neo158 said,

Do Sony include the Eye toy Camera, Move or a headset with the PS4, no they don't.

Microsoft include Kinect and a headset in with the Xbox One even though they don't have to so the addition of a game is a great idea to sweeten the deal. You also have to remember that Xbox One isn't just a games console like the PS4, it functions like a set top box as well.


That's because the PSEye and Move suck lol.

the better twin said,

Nope they are saying that it wont be as far behind as first thought.. Its still not as powerful though.

Yes it is. Get your facts straight.

the better twin said,

On the contrary you get a more powerful console and instead of being forced to pay for a useless motion control accessory you never want to use, you can put that extra cash you saved towards a game.

Actually, more powerful is something a lot of tech sites is starting to doubt after analyzing the data from MS' presentation about the Xbox one APU, some are even speculating that the Xbox one might actually come out on top in performance.

i find it odd that it's fifa being included, im not a massive fan of the Fifa games personally and i know they are popular, but surely something like Kinnect adventures (or whatever it's called) would have been a better launch title?

However im not moaning, a free game is a free game so can't wait

It's not odd at all. In fact, back in the old days, you could hardly buy a console or home computer without it being bundled with one or more top games, so really, MS are just returning to how things used to be!

Far from odd. Consider the following that FIFA tournaments (not just the World Cup) have outside North America. Ratings for the FIFA Confederations Cup (which consists *ehtirely* of Western Hemisphere clubs) weren't exactly meager in the EU. Also, hasn't *Sony* done region-specific, if not nation-specific, console bundling itself?

FloatingFatMan said,
It's not odd at all. In fact, back in the old days, you could hardly buy a console or home computer without it being bundled with one or more top games, so really, MS are just returning to how things used to be!

Yep. I was glad to see this personally. As a kid, the bundled game would be the only one I had for a little while.

Not in Europe. for some reason Europeans thinks Football is the greatest thing ever. But then again, there's a lot of Americans who think Baseball is...

Not all of us do. For some, that "beautiful game" is a massive pile of dog poop, with most of it's players being a bunch of overpaid douche bags that can barely string 2 words together and spend most of their free time drunk and getting into trouble.

John Callaham said,
Not as big as if Microsoft added Madden to Xbox One

Agreed. (of course for US/Canada folks). *still waiting on a Kinect version of Gauntlet though MS*

John Callaham said,
Not as big as if Microsoft added Madden to Xbox One

No one in Europe cares for Madden. And the European market is bigger than the U.S.

NoClipMode said,

No one in Europe cares for Madden. And the European market is bigger than the U.S.

you do know the US gaming market is number 1 by far with Japan then china following.

d4v1d05 said,
Except you're basically paying £80 for FIFA 14, when you could probably buy it in a bundle with a PS4 for ~£40...

lets be clear on this, your paying more for the advanced kinect camera with all the benefits it brings (even if gaming with it doesn't interest you). This game is free.

only time will tell if the kinnect (new kinnect, way more advanced) will be received well by folks, i personally think it will be amazing due to the advancements they have made over version one.

lets be clear on this, your paying more for the advanced kinect camera with all the benefits it brings (even if gaming with it doesn't interest you). This game is free.
only time will tell if the kinnect (new kinnect, way more advanced) will be received well by folks, i personally think it will be amazing due to the advancements they have made over version one.

Oh please. There is no actual need for kinect except voice controls. It is being forced upon users who are fans of the Xbox and don't want to buy the ps4. Microsoft is no saint, and trying to project them as one i just as big a sin. Give it a rest, please.

Microsoft are neither a saint NOR a devil. People who try to attribute evil intents on their part by including the Kinect 2 sensor is just as moronic as the opposite.

It's included for 1 reason only, sales. MS want devs to use the technology as they think it's cool, and the only way to guarantee that is to make sure everyone has one.

FloatingFatMan said,
Microsoft are neither a saint NOR a devil. People who try to attribute evil intents on their part by including the Kinect 2 sensor is just as moronic as the opposite.

It's included for 1 reason only, sales. MS want devs to use the technology as they think it's cool, and the only way to guarantee that is to make sure everyone has one.

Never a truer word spoken. Have a virtual pint, on me.

FloatingFatMan said,
Microsoft are neither a saint NOR a devil. People who try to attribute evil intents on their part by including the Kinect 2 sensor is just as moronic as the opposite.

It's included for 1 reason only, sales. MS want devs to use the technology as they think it's cool, and the only way to guarantee that is to make sure everyone has one.


Exactly. How people are unable to grasp such a basic thing is beyond me.

M_Lyons10 said,

Exactly. How people are unable to grasp such a basic thing is beyond me.

I'll add to that ...It is because they think that having a place to voice their opinion on the Internet doesn't need common sense.

M_Lyons10 said,

Exactly. How people are unable to grasp such a basic thing is beyond me.

Except you could buy a PS4 + FIFA and still pay $50 less than this bundle...............

MindTrickz said,

Except you could buy a PS4 + FIFA and still pay $50 less than this bundle...............

Actually, it is $60, but we will go with $50. So, for additional $50 with motion control, television controls, all in one input, additional gaming experience with voice or motion control, and the potential of what Kinect could do, $50 doesn't sound all that bad. It actually makes sense financially, especially in the long run.

Im just mad they are forcing me to buy a controller and hdd when i dont need them! Oh wait I forgot I dont have to buy a xbox one if i dont want to...

duddit2 said,

lets be clear on this, your paying more for the advanced kinect camera with all the benefits it brings (even if gaming with it doesn't interest you). This game is free.
.

Which one ? My friend has the Kinect and i don't see any big benefits. We never ever use it.

You personally think it's going to be amazing fine. But it's yet to be proven.

Sicarius123 said,
Christ, did you get upset when Nintendo included the Wii sensor bar in every box because you didn't want it?

I did not buy a wii. I don't know much gamers who bought a wii. My sister bought a wii tough.

RommelS said,

Actually, it is $60, but we will go with $50. So, for additional $50 with motion control, television controls, all in one input, additional gaming experience with voice or motion control, and the potential of what Kinect could do, $50 doesn't sound all that bad. It actually makes sense financially, especially in the long run.


Television controls only on supported countries with supported cable providers, voice control only on the languages/countries they wish to support (only 5 at launch, 3 of which are in Europe).
We are still about 3 months away from launch and they keep removing launch features (or countries, reduced to 13 down from 21).
They god damn need to bundle extras with their console to stop this PR landslide.

Let's slice and dice your comment here:

gonchuki said,

Television controls only on supported countries with supported cable providers, voice control only on the languages/countries they wish to support (only 5 at launch, 3 of which are in Europe). .

Do you really think that MS made the decision that they will only support one or two cable providers? If your country's cable provider didn't negotiate with MS, then blame your cable company as well. For all we know, the negotiation is still taking place. It takes two to negotiate you know.

As for your language support, you stated "THEY WISH TO SUPPORT", please, get over yourself. It has been well documented that "accent" poses problem with voice command, and MS is building its database for supported languages. Have you used Dragon Naturally Speaking?

By the way, didn't you see JJ Abrams Star Trek? Even in the 23rd Century, the Enterprise's computer cannot understand Chekov.

gonchuki said,
We are still about 3 months away from launch and they keep removing launch features (or countries, reduced to 13 down from 21).
They god damn need to bundle extras with their console to stop this PR landslide.

Again, that brings back to what I've said, and I will put it in one word, localization, and It is not easy to do. MS is delaying some of its releases just to make sure that when the product is release in your country, it will provide you with the best experience.

In addition, MS has already mentioned that it will bundle a game for those people that pre-ordered in countries that's been delayed.

RommelS said,


Do you really think that MS made the decision that they will only support one or two cable providers? If your country's cable provider didn't negotiate with MS, then blame your cable company as well.

Why would i ?

Why would my cable provider supports the xbox one when they have their own competing product ?

What would my cable provider gain ? It's not like their set-top box is actually bad. It's not awesome but it's more than enough. You got a TV guide with a description and rating of shows/movies. You got the weather. You got loto winning numbers. You got TV on demande for avalaible channels part of your sub. You can record on one device and watch on any other devices in your house. You have picture in picture. You have on screen widgets à la windows 7 gadgets. etc etc etc

Why would they support the XBox one ? They have absolutely no reason to.

Also it's not only about making deals with cable provider. MS needs to support region specific TV channels too. NFL overlay is nice ... if you actually care. Football is popular here but not even close to hockey. I watch maybe 5 nfl games a year at most. Will Microsoft have overlay with scores etc for RDS hockey games ? Will microsoft support Super-écran ? Will Microsoft brings extra to TVA ? V télé ?

There's many many region specific channels in every countries. It's not only about Fox, NBC, ABC and such. There's lot of works to be done before it's actually useful outside of USA. It might be one day. But MS needs to act fast before smart TV becomes as good as mobile devices.

LaP said,

Why would i ?

Why would my cable provider supports the xbox one when they have their own competing product ?

What would my cable provider gain ? It's not like their set-top box is actually bad. It's not awesome but it's more than enough. You got a TV guide with a description and rating of shows/movies. You got the weather. You got loto winning numbers. You got TV on demande for avalaible channels part of your sub. You can record on one device and watch on any other devices in your house. You have picture in picture. You have on screen widgets à la windows 7 gadgets. etc etc etc

Why would they support the XBox one ? They have absolutely no reason to.

Also it's not only about making deals with cable provider. MS needs to support region specific TV channels too. NFL overlay is nice ... if you actually care. Football is popular here but not even close to hockey. I watch maybe 5 nfl games a year at most. Will Microsoft have overlay with scores etc for RDS hockey games ? Will microsoft support Super-écran ? Will Microsoft brings extra to TVA ? V télé ?

There's many many region specific channels in every countries. It's not only about Fox, NBC, ABC and such. There's lot of works to be done before it's actually useful outside of USA. It might be one day. But MS needs to act fast before smart TV becomes as good as mobile devices.

LaP, don't take this the wrong, but I'm going to be straight with you with my response.

Why Would I? It is because you have to have a full though process to understand how and why things work.

Why would AT&T U-verse allow their subscriber to use their Xbox 360 as an additional box? They are losing $10 per month from subscribers. Why would FiOS and Comcast, and TWC allow Xbox to become their hub? All these companies negotiated with Microsoft. They all know that Xbox is the number one gaming console here in the US. It is not about the competing products, it is about the features that will keep their subscribers and additional reach to current and new customers.

And as for MS need to support all of those things that you've mention, they have to negotiate with each and everyone of them. They just cannot implement things on their device without their approval - domestic or abroad. Thus, it is all about negotiations.

You know, in the real world, it is not all about technical, there is a business side to it as well.

RommelS said,

And as for MS need to support all of those things that you've mention, they have to negotiate with each and everyone of them. They just cannot implement things on their device without their approval - domestic or abroad. Thus, it is all about negotiations.

We all know the Xbox One is a great product inside US borders, it's simply that the offer for the rest of the world (at least at launch) is crippled in one or another way. US customers will get a good deal out of their $500, the rest of the world* is getting less and thus that explains why they are bundling a free game in Europe as they need to offer something compelling for them.

* and here comes the funny thing, "rest of the world" is a fallacy because MS only supports 41 countries of which mine isn't part of. This means not only there will be no voice commands or cable provider deals, but also means they won't even try to sell their products to me. Funny, ain't it? Why doesn't Microsoft want to negotiate with me? It's a 2 party deal after all...

gonchuki said,

We all know the Xbox One is a great product inside US borders, it's simply that the offer for the rest of the world (at least at launch) is crippled in one or another way. US customers will get a good deal out of their $500, the rest of the world* is getting less and thus that explains why they are bundling a free game in Europe as they need to offer something compelling for them.

* and here comes the funny thing, "rest of the world" is a fallacy because MS only supports 41 countries of which mine isn't part of. This means not only there will be no voice commands or cable provider deals, but also means they won't even try to sell their products to me. Funny, ain't it? Why doesn't Microsoft want to negotiate with me? It's a 2 party deal after all...

Really? Crippled? You know what, Microsoft has delayed the launched on other countries due to localizations, and if you read the rest of my comments, you wouldn't be asking this question.

I don't know where you are from, and what is the situation of your country, so I will not comment on that.

RommelS said,

Really? Crippled? You know what, Microsoft has delayed the launched on other countries due to localizations, and if you read the rest of my comments, you wouldn't be asking this question.


Only 3 European countries out of 6 are getting voice commands at launch. No idea where the cable deals are with those 6 countries. No matter how you look at it, at least half of the *launch date* European countries are getting a lesser product.
Stop being such a fanboy and realize that bundling this game it's simply a logical move to compensate for the missing features.

gonchuki said,

Only 3 European countries out of 6 are getting voice commands at launch. No idea where the cable deals are with those 6 countries. No matter how you look at it, at least half of the *launch date* European countries are getting a lesser product.
Stop being such a fanboy and realize that bundling this game it's simply a logical move to compensate for the missing features.

Not being a fanboy, but I am approaching this in a more logical and business sense unlike you. And if that is the best you can come up calling me a fanboy? Then I can see that your comments are more motivated by your feelings rather than your brain. It is not like not everyone here has not been a victim of changes and delays on devices that they've want or pre-ordered.

In addition, use your brain for once. Localization is needed, and once that is done in those countries that you've talk about, guess what, Microsoft can update the consoles. I guess you didn't think about that one either.

gonchuki said,

Only 3 European countries out of 6 are getting voice commands at launch. No idea where the cable deals are with those 6 countries. No matter how you look at it, at least half of the *launch date* European countries are getting a lesser product.
Stop being such a fanboy and realize that bundling this game it's simply a logical move to compensate for the missing features.

On by the way, if you didn't read my response to you when I broke down your big comment awhile back, you might want to read it again because I never said or nor denied that having this game bundled is a form of compensation ...so get over yourself will you.

HawkMan said,
it's their only way to get the PS4 mentioned in the news and blogs.

Unfortunately, and i say it as a guy that was sitting on the fence regarding his next console purchase, you may be right.

HawkMan said,
it's their only way to get the PS4 mentioned in the news and blogs.

It's really, really sad. But it's true. Most PS4-articles out there contains mostly snide remarks and mindless bashing from Sonys PoV. But I guess it's enough to convince some kids to go PS instead.

i wonder how sony would feel if ms started a campaign about psn security and brought up the previous breach. microsoft never made any snide remarks when this happened. in fact this was their only comment


“It's business as usual with our previously planned Xbox LIVE promotions and programming. Other than that we have no comment.”

Thief000 said,
Poor comment from Ryan. Sony simply can't afford such deals at this point.

They have a net profit margin of 1% and P/E of 30 lol.

torrentthief said,
they don't really need such a deal though as their console is much cheaper.

it is not cheaper. They don't have Kinect + Headset Included in the box. Plus Xbox has settop TV option integrated which is a nice addition.

jasondefaoite said,
PS4 $399

XboxOne $499

Yeah, it's not cheaper.


Well he's talking about the console prices themselves. The Xbox One comes in a bundle.

jasondefaoite said,
If you want an XBO, you are paying $499. Doesn't matter if you don't want the Kinect.

Yeah we understand that, and you're right.

jasondefaoite said,
If you want an XBO, you are paying $499. Doesn't matter if you don't want the Kinect.

Yes, but if you think about infinite possibilities that if every one had a kinect plus the additional value it brings such as skype integration and infrared camera and game gesture even if the game is not kinect based game, it worth it. If you are narrow minded and don't want a nice addition just wait a few months because they announced there will be xbox without kinect in few months.

S3P€hR said,

Yes, but if you think about infinite possibilities

I don't like paying for possibilities. I got burned way too often in my life.

Honestly the only time i open my console it's to play games.

LaP said,

I don't like paying for possibilities. I got burned way too often in my life.

Honestly the only time i open my console it's to play games.


I'm the complete opposite now. 70% of my time on the console is Youtube, with another 20% going to Netflix/Epic movies, ect.

S3P€hR said,

it is not cheaper. They don't have Kinect + Headset Included in the box. Plus Xbox has settop TV option integrated which is a nice addition.

You're missing the fact that the Settop TV part is mostly useless in the EU. The entire reveal of these features was tailored to US customers (perhaps rightly so being their biggest audience). But they haven't done anything since to relay these fears other then throwing FIFA in, which is a "love it or hate it" title.

torrentthief said,
they don't really need such a deal though as their console is much cheaper.

I knew someone would try and defend their decision.

uxo22 said,

I knew someone would try and defend their decision.

Wont sony gives 2 free games as part of PSN+ in the first month ? If i'm right then there's nothing to defend.

LaP said,

Wont sony gives 2 free games as part of PSN+ in the first month ? If i'm right then there's nothing to defend.

Yeah, there is something to defend, the dumb comment made by Sony to try and downplay MS giving Fifa away.

Merson316 said,

You're missing the fact that the Settop TV part is mostly useless in the EU. The entire reveal of these features was tailored to US customers (perhaps rightly so being their biggest audience). But they haven't done anything since to relay these fears other then throwing FIFA in, which is a "love it or hate it" title.

which is probably why they FIFA bundle for Europe. although I agree that it would have been nicer if they gave people some choice for game bundle. I am sure they will later on down the road. nevertheless you guys can still enjoy full screen multi person video chat on skype which is popular in Europe.

S3P€hR said,

it is not cheaper. They don't have Kinect + Headset Included in the box. Plus Xbox has settop TV option integrated which is a nice addition.

most people don't want the kinect therefore it is indeed cheaper. Hardly anyone will use the tv functionality and it only works in america atm. PS4 does have a headset included, clearly you haven't done your research, their announcement had it included, microsoft only recently decided to include one.

torrentthief said,

most people don't want the kinect therefore it is indeed cheaper. Hardly anyone will use the tv functionality and it only works in america atm. PS4 does have a headset included, clearly you haven't done your research, their announcement had it included, microsoft only recently decided to include one.

Sure if you wanna call that a headset. Will probably throw that thing away with the packaging.