Sony PlayStation 4 officially announced [Update: coming holiday 2013]

The worst kept secret in the world is a secret no longer. Sony's PlayStation-based press event in New York City, which is currently being live streamed to the world, has indeed announced the PlayStation 4, the next hardware addition to the PlayStation family of game consoles.

The PS4 has an X86 processor and a PC-based GPU (no specific brand names were mentioned) and 8 GB of GDDR5 system memory. It will also have a hard drive but there's no word on how large it will be.

The DualShock 4 controller was also announced and shown during the press conference, and as predicted it has a touch pad in the middle.

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Sony also showed off some gameplay demos, including one using Epic's Unreal Engine 4. It also showed the first official PlayStation 4 game, Knack.

Games can be downloaded in the background, even if the main power in the console is turned off. Games can also be played even as they are being downloaded.

The PS4 will also have a way to share user created gameplay videos with others, and users will be able to watch live gameplay that's being handled by their friends. The new online network will use real names for most activities. Sony will also offer mobile apps for smartphones and tablets that will link to the PS4.

Sony has also confirmed that it will use the Gaikai streaming game network for the PS4 to let users try out PS4 games before they buy them. The console will also have Facebook and Ustream support.

Spectating will be a big part of PS4 gaming, with the console allowing gamers to let friends view the games they are playing and even allowing developers to have the power to act as real time directors for games if they wish. It will also allow for the PS Vita portable console to play PS4 games via Remote Play.

The PS4 will have a number of streaming video services, including Netflix, Hulu, Crackle and more.

Sony officially announced the PlayStation Cloud, with the plan to offer up older PlayStation games via streaming on any device. The service will be launched in stages with more details to be revealed later.

Update: Sony has now confirmed a "holiday 2013" time frame for the launch of the PlayStation 4.

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So far to me it sounds like a custom built gaming pc. I will withhold judgement until I see pricing, and further details on the possible used game mechanic.

Interface is crap. Controller is crap. Bet the console looks like crap too. And it's basically a PC in a console.

Does anyone else think that they just added that little led screen for no reason on the controller, the ps3 controller is fine just the way it is.
I hate when companies feel pressured to make change just for the sake of it... which can be more annoying to use and or raises the cost unnecessarily....

So BC of PS1, PS2, and PS3 will be "streaming".
I also doubt the selection of games you can stream (thinking more 3rd party).
Controller looks nice, but..

Unless I can unlock my library of ps games, I'm not going to be buying one this Christmas, and will evaluate things / other aspects once more details are known, see what Jrpg selection is coming out before making up my mind.

einsteinbqat said,
Typical. People rave about the internals, but did anyone see the THING, the PS4?

Erm, who cares what it looks like. I mean you might be a very different person to me, but I use the PS3 to play games/watch movies. I don't buy myself a glass pedestal and sit admiring it all day =P

Besides, means we still have more cool things to be revealed before release

GUI looks like the Modern UI on the 360 now and the "SmartGlass" integration... Not really blown away to be honest, I am sure most of this was pre-rendered like Killzone 2 was at the PS3 announcement. Oh and no price? My beat is on $500+

Fully LIve Demo. Nothing pre-rendered whatsoever. Right from their Facebook page...
We proudly present Killzone Shadow Fall. Live Demo running on PlayStation 4!

DirtyLarry said,
Fully LIve Demo. Nothing pre-rendered whatsoever. Right from their Facebook page...
We proudly present Killzone Shadow Fall. Live Demo running on PlayStation 4!

Same thing was said about Killzone 2 and it came out it was a CGI video... Guess we will see. I still want to know the price.

NoLiMiT06 said,
GUI looks like the Modern UI on the 360 now and the "SmartGlass" integration... Not really blown away to be honest, I am sure most of this was pre-rendered like Killzone 2 was at the PS3 announcement. Oh and no price? My beat is on $500+

Pre-rendered? come on... you must not believe the moon exists.

Diablo 3 is anything but exciting. The PC version was meh imo. But if Blizzard ever makes a console exclusive game in the upcoming years it could be cool.

I was always a fan of Playstation over Xbox.


i am eagerly awaiting for MS to show us something more exciting.


though watch dogs was pretty great! but i am sure i'll have an even better version on my PC

I have to say if it wasn't for Nintendo, Sony wouldn't know what to develop next for their consoles. That said, they better show the actual system or at least a prototype today. This would be a meh press conference to me if they just announced the PS4 but left it at that.

I also think it's funny how rumors said it was only going to have 4gigs of ram but once rumors said the next xbox would have 8gigs, now PS4 has 8gigs.

Microsoft will need to show me something else than PC games when they are going to announce the next xbox or my choice is already done and it will be a PS4.

I wont miss games like Journey next gen.

BTw there's no way the 360 and PS3 can run those at 1080p. Not even close to it. It would be a complete slideshow at this resolution.

I do think things look pretty bleak to be honest. But I would say it can be put down to both being 'first wave' & many months before release.

Nothing shown off particularly got my attention, infamous will probably be ok, and Deep Down could be good, but nothings made me think 'NEED!!' =P

Massive shame, because I've loved the PS1/PS2/PS3, best consoles of all their generations, great 1st party titles.

But hey, early days, E3...blow me away

ChristopherSmith said,
I do think things look pretty bleak to be honest. But I would say it can be put down to both being 'first wave' & many months before release.

What was the resolution of the stream ? The quality of the encoding ?

480p ? It looked really low res to me even at best quality. Honestly it looked like a divx movie.

Record a video of any best looking PC game running on the best hardware with everything maxed out at 2560 res. Convert this video to low res and encode it for web and what you'll see is a game that looks not better than a 360 game.

Remember me the Witcher PC versus Witcher 360 comparison using a bad quality video of the PC version of the game. I mean anyone who saw the game on a console and on a PC running at high res know the game looks better on PC if you have the hardware to run it at the maximum possible setting and resolution. Also remember me those adds showing you the advatage of HDTVs while watching on a CRT TV ... yeah right 1080p looks so awesome on this CRT TV cool ...

I mean how can anyone expect HD to look HD on a low res web stream ? I really don't understand.

The main advatage of next gen will be true 1080p (not possible to evaluate on a low quality web stream). I know lot of people think their 540p xbox 360 games look awesome. But anyone who have a good pc and know what real HD is know there's a difference between 540p/720p gaming and 1080p+ gaming.

Go watch the uploads to youtube/gametrailers mate, much better quality versions, still not particularly impressive.

Kind of makes me remember John Carmack making a comment about the next generation being the same as this generation with 1080p/60fps instead of 720/30

ChristopherSmith said,
Kind of makes me remember John Carmack making a comment about the next generation being the same as this generation with 1080p/60fps instead of 720/30

John Carmack will probably be right. The matter of the fact is current gen is not even close to be able to run any game (save for something like a puzzle game) at 1080p @ 60fps. Some people don't realise how real HD @ 60fps is stressful to a machine. My comp must be 10 times more powerful than a 360 easily (Core i5 750 oc + 670 oc + 4gb ddr3 1600 ram). And while i can do 1080p without any trouble i don't always get 60 fps and i sure need to turn some settings down here and there. Most random Joe Blow don't know that a lot of the xbox 360 big titles with awesome graphics runs at 540p are interpolated to 1080p in real time.

This said personally in those video of PS4 games i see way more details than i see in 360 and ps3 games. Yes i would hope for a bigger photorealistic leap but i can clearly see more polygons.

Those youtube/gametrailers video might be better quality but they are still compressed for web. You still mostly lose what 1080p gaming brings to the table (clarity of the image).

Also those games are not done yet. And they are for the most part launch titles. I think people should wait to see those games in action on a 1080p display before saying ps4 games don't look any better than current gen.

As I said in one of my earlier replies, I do agree that it's largely the fact it's first wave titles & a long time before release ^^

I'm really looking forward to seeing trailers for games made on Frostbite 2 & Unreal Engine 4. That and those made by Square Enix & Naughty Dog, but they're pretty unlikely to be out until next year or even 2015.

It was such a shame when the current gen came out & it quickly became obvious that most games were just upscaled, (Looking at you 576p Haze ) I think Wipeout HD is pretty much the only exception, and that game looks absolutely amazing, really showcases how great proper 1080p can be.

Lets just go with....E3 should be very interesting =)

MikadoWu said,
WOW, completely unimpressive...............

ugh, typical...

I mean, what on Earth did you expect them to be unveiling here?

They showed & talked about a lot more than I certainly expected, and layed out some pretty wonderful tech & features.

Yeah those are certainly high end specs by today's standards, but you need to remember a console's life cycle is about four years. Will these specs hold out to PC hardware available then? I doubt they'll even be any match to the AMD and NVidia's next range of GPUs that will be unveiled later this year. If anything, consoles are just holding back the gaming industry because they become underpowered as soon as they arrive. The only solution is to launch a new console every year like the smartphone industry. If people can buy $700 phones every year, they certainly can buy a $400 console every year too.

If I'm honest, I wouldn't say that the PS4 at the moment surpasses many PC specs. Sure, it may have 8 cores, but purely from a graphical perspective it won't make a huge amount of difference if you're running a 4TFLOP 7970 with a mid-range i7 CPU.

I'm not sure what GPU chip the PS4 is based on but to me it looks something like a 7850/7870 maybe, but I'm not too sure. It is difficult to say though unless you compare the same game on both platforms.

What will be cool is if AND when someone is able to boot up Windows 8 on the playstation 4

This Playstation is looking pretty nice. Microsoft better have something amazing to show on the next xbox or it will be overshadowed by the differences that the Wii U and PS4 have brought to the table.

Minor controller change, it's still the same. I wonder what they'll charge for one now that it has a small touch screen on it.

are you a Microsoft fan? seems like it. pathetic.

What? OEM controllers have always been expensive, now that it has a touch screen it's safe to imagine that it's going to be even more expensive.

The only thing pathetic here is your comment.

McKay said,
So he's automatically an MS fan because hes wondering how much more expensive a touchscreen controller will be?

I'm really starting to think these faceless dudes are a paid service hired by Neowin in order to flame topics and generate comments. Otherwise, so many Indians at the "right" moment and topic, is truly unexplainable.

Small nonsense comments... in order to avoid many spelling mistakes and incomprehensible sentences.

PC EliTiST said,

I'm really starting to think these faceless dudes are a paid service hired by Neowin in order to flame topics and generate comments. Otherwise, so many Indians at the "right" moment and topic, is truly unexplainable.

Small nonsense comments... in order to avoid many spelling mistakes and incomprehensible sentences.


yeah, I get $10 for every flame posts. so, keep it coming. /s

Crisp said,

But Gaikai live stream gaming is the future!!

/s

They can't even provide a proper 720p video at 24FPS to 2M people, and they want to provide gaming at 30/60FPS to 50M people and more... Maybe in 20 years from now. Charlatans.

PC EliTiST said,

They can't even provide a proper 720p video at 24FPS to 2M people, and they want to provide gaming at 30/60FPS to 50M people and more... Maybe in 20 years from now. Charlatans.

Video is binary data that is very large; game data is exclusively designed by the game developer and generally consists of compressed/encrypted text. There's very little data transmission required for a game (compared to streaming HD).

By the way, how many FPS a console puts out is entirely based on the console itself, not the network. How fast the FPS is has close to nothing to do with download speeds.

8GB total ram, likely 4GB addressable for CPU and 4GB for GPU, probably on different controllers. It is an AMD 8 Core processor, x86 is probably just the base instruction code, I'm sure it has 64bit instruction sets in it also.

That's better, having 2 separate 256MB sets of memory for system and video gimped the PS3.

Edit: Ahh he just confirmed it's shared.

Isn't x86 mean it's 32-bit? How does that work with 8GB of RAM? Shouldnt it be a x64 Processor?

Not really. Your processor even though it's 64bit is actually x86-64. It's still the x86 instruction set but with a 64bit extension.

Intel Itanium is an example of a true x64 processor.

McKay said,
Isn't x86 mean it's 32-bit? How does that work with 8GB of RAM? Shouldnt it be a x64 Processor?

x86 doesn't necessarily mean 32 bit, in fact x86 supports 16/32/64 bit OSes. The fact that it has 8GB of memory pretty much confirms the processor is a 64bit instruction set one by AMD (the rumours were correct). It is common for people to think x86 instantly means 32 bit but in this case it won't be. There isn't any word on the memory split but it will likely be 4GB/4GB.

-Razorfold said,

Not really. Your processor even though it's 64bit is actually x86-64. It's still the x86 instruction set but with a 64bit extension.

Intel Itanium is an example of a true x64 processor.

Umm, no. The first paragraph is correct, but the 2nd one isn't. x64 is just a nickname for x86-64 (just like amd64). And yeah, x86-64 is just an extension to the original x86 architecture, that's why it's so easy to run 32 bit (x86) binaries on x64.

Itanium, on the other hand, is a completely different architecture, and its short name is ia64 (it has nothing to do with x64).

ingramator said,

The fact that it has 8GB of memory pretty much confirms the processor is a 64bit instruction set

Doesn't confirm it, PAE, if 32 bits support 4GB then 33 bits would support 8GB.

n_K said,

Doesn't confirm it, PAE, if 32 bits support 4GB then 33 bits would support 8GB.

If the processor is from AMD its unlikely they are building 32bit processors at this point. I believe even Intel is moving the atom line of cpu's to 64bit very soon. It's easier to just take an existing x86 chip and modify it slightly for a customer. Almost guaranteed it's 64bit.

Sony and MS are both going x86 as it's simply cheaper to do so than build custom chips that at this point have no real performance or power advantage. x86's power draw has been reduced to such a degree putting it into a smaller sized box is no longer a heat/power problem; and the performance of x86 is as strong as ever.

McKay said,
Isn't x86 mean it's 32-bit? How does that work with 8GB of RAM? Shouldnt it be a x64 Processor?

The specs they put in the press release specified that it's an x86-64 processor.

In any case, x86-64 processors are a subset of x86 processors.