Sony PlayStation exec takes a shot at Kinect; says the gamepad is the best controller

Microsoft will include their new Kinect hardware with every Xbox One console when it launches next week and it has tried to defend its decision by saying the console and Kinect 2.0 were not made to be separated. Sony has its own camera for the PlayStation 4 console that can also handle some gesture and voice commands but it decided to offer the camera as a optional accessory.

Microsoft believes that adding Kinect to every Xbox One will encourage developers to make games that will use the gesture and voice capture features of the hardware. However, Sony Computer Entertainment of America president and CEO Jack Tretton believes that the good old fashioned gamepad is "the best possible" way to interact with games, and that it will remain that way for some time to come.

In a chat with AllThingsD, Tretton seems to take some shots at Microsoft and its Kinect platform when they are used for gaming, stating:

Gesture-based gaming is great, but it’s very difficult to play the core genres and really have that be a better experience. If I’m in a driving game, it really feels better to hold the steering wheel in my hand, and if I’m in a fighting game, while it’s great to think about going around, swinging your arms in the air, it’s relatively limiting. At the end of the day, the best way to control a videogame character is with a controller in your hand.

Tretton also feels that virtual reality headsets such as the one that's being made by Oculus Rift will have their limits as well, stating that it will be hard to give the player a "a comfortable experience in a controlled environment where your head is enclosed."

Source: AllThingsD | Image via Microsoft

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trojan_market said,
Best controller for playing game is Mouse\Keyboard

Counterstrike, sure.. but there are a lot of other games that are so much better with other controllers, like racing games, flight sims, etc.
Even Diablo III is pretty enjoyable with a pad instead of using keyboard and mouse.

Keyboard and mouse is preferred for competitive FPS and RTS, but then again, how many of us actually play at that level?

Oculus Rift uncomfortable? Has he used one? I can wear mine for hours and forget its there. He's just scared of the thing making his console hardware squeal and die within 2 years.

Not really a shot at MS now is it? I'm pretty sure MS have stated exactly the same themselves. Surely Neowin should warn itself for inciting a flame war?

How exactly is this a shot against MS?

MS themselves say over and over that they agree that the controller is still the best way to play core games.

Kinect is there to augment that core experience, offer casual experiences, and offer an integrated interaction experience with the system overall.

MS has never said that Kinect or any motion based gaming would take over. For some reason, people go nuts over MS' Kinect push, as if its impossible to offer both options. Its like kryptonite to some people.

trooper11 said,
How exactly is this a shot against MS?

MS themselves say over and over that they agree that the controller is still the best way to play core games.

Kinect is there to augment that core experience, offer casual experiences, and offer an integrated interaction experience with the system overall.

MS has never said that Kinect or any motion based gaming would take over. For some reason, people go nuts over MS' Kinect push, as if its impossible to offer both options. Its like kryptonite to some people.

Because click bait titles start wars. Ask a question about gesture based gaming, something both consoles support, and whatever the answer say its an attack on Kinect.

I wish they didn't force people interested in only the core games to buy it. I'd much rather spend $350 on my XB1 rather than $500 for a Kinect that I'm not even going to set up.

I know, I can sympathies with you. For me, I'm glad its there because it means its actually much more likely to mean something and be used for so much more than the first Kinect. It means more developer support and deep X1 integration.

I just don't know what the option is other than to bundle it.

Ultimately, MS will need to get the price down to satisfy users like yourself that have no stomach for paying extra compared to the competition for something you have zero interest in.

trooper11 said,
I know, I can sympathies with you. For me, I'm glad its there because it means its actually much more likely to mean something and be used for so much more than the first Kinect. It means more developer support and deep X1 integration.

I just don't know what the option is other than to bundle it.

Ultimately, MS will need to get the price down to satisfy users like yourself that have no stomach for paying extra compared to the competition for something you have zero interest in.

The better option is to NOT bundle it. Time and time again it's been shown that motion gaming is just a gimmick just like 3D movies. $150 is a steep price to pay for a gimmick that will just collect dust.

But the issue is that its not about motion gaming. Again, its an integrated feature that cover motion and voice for gaming, but also all sorts of ways to interact with you console that were not possible before.

The first Kinect was a gimmick thanks to the hardware, the lack of dev support, and the lack of much use at all outside of casual gaming.

The new Kinect is suddenly more useful than V 1 just thanks to how integrated it is. MS is taking a chance that they can convince us that having Kinect bundled is not a bad thing and that you might even try to use it this time.

Look, its not even worth arguing about. You don't like it and that's cool, I happen to be more interested in it this time around than I was on the 360. I see MS cutting the price before unbundling Kinect. If they can get the price down and continue pumping out core games, maybe that is enough to get interest from customers that have no interest in Kinect.

trooper11 said,
But the issue is that its not about motion gaming. Again, its an integrated feature that cover motion and voice for gaming, but also all sorts of ways to interact with you console that were not possible before.

The first Kinect was a gimmick thanks to the hardware, the lack of dev support, and the lack of much use at all outside of casual gaming.

The new Kinect is suddenly more useful than V 1 just thanks to how integrated it is. MS is taking a chance that they can convince us that having Kinect bundled is not a bad thing and that you might even try to use it this time.

Look, its not even worth arguing about. You don't like it and that's cool, I happen to be more interested in it this time around than I was on the 360. I see MS cutting the price before unbundling Kinect. If they can get the price down and continue pumping out core games, maybe that is enough to get interest from customers that have no interest in Kinect.

It's going to cost them a lot of marketshare, at least for the first few years. More people would have bought it if they sold it for $350 without Kinecct. A lot more. And people would have used that money to buy games which they get money from licensing. They don't make money on the hardware. Kinect is just stupid.

Its fair to say it could cost marketshare. Just calling Kinect stupid however, is not fair.

The reality is that people have different tastes. We will see how bad this hurts MS in the long run. If its bad enough, then maybe they abandon Kinect. However, maybe things don't go as badly as you hope and it turns out MS is able to sell Kinect integration to the masses.

Hes right the gamepad is the best controller to a play a game.... but using your voice to snap things like skype to your game whilst your still playing or telling it to record something all by using your voice is 1000000000000 times quicker and more convenient than having to scroll through menus. I think someone is jealous now theyve finally seen how good and quick it is, something there PS eye can never do, at least well!

This capability should be with the included headset (or a replacement should you wish to upgrade) not a camera/motion controller.

It will also be nice to be able to direct computer teammates or taunt a computer opponent in a game to make them increase their intensity, the possibilities are endless.

Asmodai said,
This capability should be with the included headset (or a replacement should you wish to upgrade) not a camera/motion controller.

A headset can't log me and others in simultaneously by recognizing each of us individually.

And why is Kinect required for voice commands? The speech recognition engine has little to do with Kinect. Kinect just has nice microphones but my headset microphone is even better for voice command.

mrp04 said,
And why is Kinect required for voice commands? The speech recognition engine has little to do with Kinect. Kinect just has nice microphones but my headset microphone is even better for voice command.

Only an expensive headset microphone. The stock standard ones, and a lot of the replacements, have microphones well below the quality of the Kinect 2.

lots of people wont go out and buy quality headphones or earphones to play games on so its prolly better and would you want to sit of the sofa all day (hangover recovery) with an ear bud in your ear in case you want to it tell it to do someat?

spenser.d said,

A headset can't log me and others in simultaneously by recognizing each of us individually.


I seriously doubt the Kinect 2 can either, the xbone is doing that. Both the mic on the headset and the mic on the kinect are input devices with the recognition processing being done on the console. It's comparatively trivial to recognize different speakers when each is wearing their own headset. Furthermore the scenario the OP described was a multi-tasking one where the user was already using the controller, that is what I replied to, not a general statement that a headset is ALWAYS better at EVERYTHING. I just find it interesting that in Kinect discussions a lot of people (not just the OP) only even mention voice capabilities which don't even require Kinect hardware with no mention of actual motion commands that do.

well it does need the kinect hardware which is a combination of quality camera, quality microphones and chips to process the incoming sounds and movements for the voice recognition software and motion software to analyse and convert into a command so both is needed really to make it work as well as it does. it may also use the camera to see you and see when your mouth is talking to distinguish if your just chatting or giving it a command

virtorio said,
All depends on the game. A game like Dance Central wouldn't be better with a controller.

Yep. A pad is a great general controller, but will generally lose out to a good specialty controller. Fighters are better with sticks, racers with steering wheels. I've had Wii- and PS3 Move owning friends tell me the controller/nunchuck combo is fantastic for fps titles, and of course there's keyboard and mouse.

That said, they all suck at other specialties, hence the game pad. Jack of all trades, master of none, gets most gamers the best bang for the buck

you can do that once pizza hut releases their xbox one app. im being serious, this is the kind of stuff Kinect will be doing.

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vcfan said,
you can do that once pizza hut releases their xbox one app. im being serious, this is the kind of stuff Kinect will be doing.

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Haha, now let's see if "Lone Wanderer Chicken" gets one, or if he was just being a "Talking Head"...lol

swanlee said,
I see arrogant Sony is back, didn't take to long for them to resort to their old crap.

You mean acting in a way that many companies behave, including but certainly not limited to Microsoft?

PS4: Great controller, not-so-great gesture/voice support.
Xbox One: Great controller, awesome voice/gesture support.

So... the PS4 is better because it's *lacking* a feature? Nice spin.

Well the PS4 doesn't force you to buy the motion controller which is a plus in my book!

Probably going to resell my launch day PS4 if someone will give me $500+ for it on Craigslist though. No launch titles interest me. I'll buy one later once some good games come out if I'm able to sell it for a nice profit. Will keep the XB1.

It would definitely be a plus - if the motion controller was as gimmicky as the one in the PS4. It definitely doesn't appear to be gimmicky at all, and offers some solid improvements, especially when it comes to things like multitasking, turning on the console (including your entire home theater setup!), logging you in nearly instantaneously, scanning prepaid codes, etc. It definitely adds value to the console, even before we get to game implementation.