Sony to subpoena GeoHot's PayPal records

If you decided to donate money to George Hotz (GeoHot) and went through with it in the last couple of years, you may want to take note. A judge has granted Sony the right to subpoena Hotz's PayPal records dating all the way back to January 1st, 2009.

George Hotz has been in an ongoing legal battle with Sony over what the company considers a breach of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act; Hotz posted root keys on his website that allowed others to jailbreak their PlayStation 3 systems and run homebrew applications along with pirated ones. This will be the fifth subpoena Sony has been authorized. Neowin last reported that a judge had allowed Sony access to the IP addresses of anyone who visited Hotz's website, the IPs of anyone who watched the PS3 jailbreak video connected to his YouTube account, access to his Blogger account, and access to his Twitter account.

That same judge, Joseph Spero, ruled that Sony was allowed to acquire "documents [sufficient to] identify the source of funds (.pdf) in California that went into any PayPal account associated with geohot@gmail.com for the period of January 1, 2009, to February 1, 2011," according to Wired.

Sony has been collecting information that would allow them to decide where they should try Hotz—either in his home state of New Jersey or in San Francisco, which the company would prefer. Sony is hoping that the logs prove many donations came from Northern California, making San Francisco a suitable location for the case, just like the IP addresses they were granted to collect only two weeks ago.

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Why is this necessary? I really hate the fact that software is becoming harder to hack. I mean for Pete's sake, Windows Phone 7 only has basic registry hacks at this stage, no "jailbreaking" or anything like that. I mean it's great if you're worried about other people hacking your ****, but it just gets annoying when companies make you use their software. I mean I bought the console for USD 200 and your telling me that **YOU** still own it? how does that make sense? If I bought te h/w I should be allowed to do anything w/ the S/w, and tell my friends how to do the same. It's simple as a right to do what I want with what I **OWN**. I purchased it from you guys, funded your evil schemes, already by buying your system, stop trying to make me a part of them.

Sony vs Connectix anyone? Sony lost the case. The court ruled in favor that Connectix had every right to reverse-engineer the BIOS from a PSX that THEY BOUGHT. If Geohot did the same thing with his, I don't see how it is illegal. Secondly, it is a well known fact that you are allowed to make a backup copy of something that YOU OWN. If I want to run a game off my hard drive so I dont ruin a $50 bluray game I should be able to. Remember SONY cd burners that wouldn't allow you certain features to backup their games? So he hacked a console, who cares. I understand the need to protect "intellectual property". Remember NAPSTER and the whole MP3 craze? What eventually happened? Now music is sold online. If I can't do whatever I want to something I PAID FOR then companies shouldn't sell their product. Its funny that Sony are making these moves because when SEGA's dreamcast was supposedly unhackable because of their proprietary DD Disc format Sony countered by selling a DD Burner (good luck trying to find it) with Double Density CDs so people could copy their games. At this point, it isn't about piracy, its about what are you allowed to do to something you bought and own. Its like buying a toilet and the manufacturer telling you when you can and can't flush it. When Sony lost the case against Connectix they stopped chasing after all the people coding emulators (Bleem and ePSXe come to mind) so long they weren't distributing their BIOS with it. I for one am glad that PSP was hacked to death and if they continue, the PS3 will be as well.

Benjy91 said,
You'd think Sony would be more interested investing that money in rebuilding their factories in Japan.

Most companies, including Sony, have factories in China.

@slayerx02 - Its not like he broke into a office building, he exploited code on a electronic device don't try and make it out to be more than it is.

He took keys he isn't supposed to have in the first place...duplicated them and handed them out to anyone who will either use it for a righteous cause (homebrew) or self gain through illegal means (ability to publish pirated games easily...china comes to mind)
The tactics sony are using now aren't really underhanded or shady as some of you point out going as far as accusing them of bribery. They are very aggressive yes but their right as a business to make a profit is in danger so of course they will do everything in their power to gain leverage in this case.
I say more power to Sony, keep makin them products 20 people on this site say will never purchase...as if they give a damn about you guys lol.

neufuse said,
what's next? a list of everyone who ever talked to or laid eyes on this guy?

I just got a subpoena for reading about him on Neowin.

neufuse said,
what's next? a list of everyone who ever talked to or laid eyes on this guy?

That's easy... Next, Sony is going to go after his family. He will come home one day and find a note pinned to the wall with a knife. He will soon discover that his grandma is being held hostage with the threat of rape depending on his actions.

The basic, common sense rules folks 'round the world live by are: you buy it you own it -- you rent it you don't. Landlords have made that clear for centuries. Software companies have make the distinction between licensing & owning plainly understood for decades. Book authors/publishers have made the notion of copyright abundantly clear since shortly after the 1st printing press. Most everyone understands that when you buy a PC/laptop you only license the copy of Windows that comes pre-loaded. Problem is Sony is just now starting to publicly define what you get, & what you don't when you buy a ps3, & in typical Sony fashion, doing it in the worst ways possible.

It would be a wonderful demonstration of justice IMHO if some CA court also ruled that Sony had to immediately, prominently label every ps3 on every store shelf with a large warning/disclaimer that the only thing you're buying is the casing, & that violating their license terms can mean legal prosecution. And then they should have to pay damages for every ps3 sold without that warning. The courts should also note that if Sony has or starts displaying *any* legal disclaimer, they need to prove that it was read by an adult parent or guardian -- contracts with a minor are unenforceable.

Yes, that may be a bit *out there*, but I think it's on the same [absurd] scale as Sony's actions so far. While Sony could obviously care less one way or the other, they're not getting any of my hard-earned cash -- I'm not trying to start or encourage a boycott, but I see no reason to endorse, encourage, or support some robber-baron mentality on their part either.

The judge in the XBox 360 case basically said that modding isn't covered under "Fair Use", but that there existed no reasonable middleground to use your property as you see fit. And that's with the defendant actually having made money off enabling piracy.

How in the world then can some guy who didn't ask for any money (except for the legal defense now) and who put something in place to prevent piracy, get put through the ringer by Sony?

Oh that's right because it's California, and it's a consumer electronics company.

So they know the names of people who support him?

Woopie Do? What are they going to do? Sue everyone who watches a YouTube video on Jail-breaking? I can't see what benefit this information is to them.

0sm3l said,
they are scaring people to make sure no one else jailbreaks their system I guess lol.

And helping convince anyone who hears about this to not buy Sony.

mikiem said,

And helping convince anyone who hears about this to not buy Sony.

I never bought sony until I heard about this case. Your logic is phail geohot phanboy.

We "hack" cars all the time when we tune them and upgrade them, GM, Ford, Dodge all support us on doing what we want to OUR cars. Wether it is souping up modern day small block engines in new corvettes, camaros or F-18s I love tinkering with technology. Bottom line, stock sucks, mod that mother.

LuckyCasper said,
We "hack" cars all the time when we tune them and upgrade them, GM, Ford, Dodge all support us on doing what we want to OUR cars. Wether it is souping up modern day small block engines in new corvettes, camaros or F-18s I love tinkering with technology. Bottom line, stock sucks, mod that mother.

Your analogy fails. A mod to a car doesn't allow you to suddenly steal components for that car, does it? The keys Geohot posted on his site allow anyone to pirate games should they choose to do so. As such, it's not just a mod, it's also a tool that allows people to break the law.

Metodi Mitov said,

Your analogy fails. A mod to a car doesn't allow you to suddenly steal components for that car, does it? The keys Geohot posted on his site allow anyone to pirate games should they choose to do so. As such, it's not just a mod, it's also a tool that allows people to break the law.

If you remove the governing chip from your car, you are technically breaking the law. But go up to a police officer and tell them you removed it. Guess what, they won't do anything or really care. Same as if you went up to them and said, "I hacked my PS3," they won't care.
The only people that are getting butthurt about this is Sony.
Car manufacturers don't care if you remove the chip, you can do what you want with it, make it legal, or illegal after you buy it.
Same concept should work with consoles.

zappa859 said,

If you remove the governing chip from your car, you are technically breaking the law. But go up to a police officer and tell them you removed it. Guess what, they won't do anything or really care. Same as if you went up to them and said, "I hacked my PS3," they won't care.
The only people that are getting butthurt about this is Sony.
Car manufacturers don't care if you remove the chip, you can do what you want with it, make it legal, or illegal after you buy it.
Same concept should work with consoles.

A cop doesn't have jurisdiction in that case, unless a complaint is filed by the car company.

surely this is against our right to privacy as well as his?
i dont want sony knowing my details or that i gave him money or know that i went on his website

hypothetically speaking as i didnt actually give him money or go on his website

Guyro said,
surely this is against our right to privacy as well as his?
i dont want sony knowing my details or that i gave him money or know that i went on his website

hypothetically speaking as i didnt actually give him money or go on his website

Judges grant the ability to sift through financial records all the time.

Guyro said,
surely this is against our right to privacy as well as his?
i dont want sony knowing my details or that i gave him money or know that i went on his website

hypothetically speaking as i didnt actually give him money or go on his website


terrorist supporters could also say that same thing when giving money to known terror groups....

Guyro said,
surely this is against our right to privacy as well as his?
i dont want sony knowing my details or that i gave him money or know that i went on his website

Privacy is an illusion -- unless citing privacy regs benefits the gov or corp. ;-)

Ever notice how often the gov says they can't release info because of privacy laws, then turns around & acts like those laws don't exist when they're the ones wanting the info?

Who is the judge to be able to tell Sony that they are allowed to do all this stuff to begin with? Last time I checked the judge isn't the law nor the government. I honestly don't see what Sony will benefit from getting all that information, they already know he distributed the keys, now they going to go after every single person who has viewed his youtube video and all that stuff? Good luck on that one Sony.

flashnuke said,
Who is the judge to be able to tell Sony that they are allowed to do all this stuff to begin with? Last time I checked the judge isn't the law nor the government. I honestly don't see what Sony will benefit from getting all that information, they already know he distributed the keys, now they going to go after every single person who has viewed his youtube video and all that stuff? Good luck on that one Sony.

A judge is the law, police only enforce it.

I've been reading these and always wondered why Sony is getting all of these records. An idea popped into mind after seeing this post. What if Sony is gathering info peice-by-peice on each person who downloaded and/or watched the video. They could realistically narrow down all of those IPs by comparing them to current PS3 players. Then they'd have a list of who [u]may[/u] have actually broke their console. Narrowing down the list even further to the people who donated or was actively visiting his blog and site (more than normal people). Maybe they're just trying to get a list of potential PS3 owners that may have broek their systems?

Dunno, just throwing that out there cause I don't really see how getting ALL of those records could really help them much in a case.

DPyro said,
Exempt not everyone has a static IP.

You don't need to have a static IP. Your ISP knows who was using what IP on a particular date and time.

Jaybonaut said,
The problem is, Sony might know who those people are by getting IPs and this info.

Only if they contact the ISP and they pass that information on to them, which could happen I guess looking at what they have been allowed to get away with so far

maybe Sony is so aggressive because they feel that Microsoft has something to do with this

plot: (microsoft xbox is hacked long time ago, they loose money, game developers are angry because of piracy and start to favor Sony... so ms hires hackers to do the job and pays Geohot to release the keys)

So now Sony is looking through geohots finances in hopes of some intresting stuff

its a just thought .....

Its well known that even if Sony would win against Geohot, there are many skilled people to take his place.

Zaic said,
maybe Sony is so aggressive because they feel that Microsoft has something to do with this

plot: (microsoft xbox is hacked long time ago, they loose money, game developers are angry because of piracy and start to favor Sony... so ms hires hackers to do the job and pays Geohot to release the keys)

So now Sony is looking through geohots finances in hopes of some intresting stuff

its a just thought .....

Its well known that even if Sony would win against Geohot, there are many skilled people to take his place.

The hole in Sony's software was not discovered by Geohot. It was Sony's engineers that f*** up by making it so simple in the forst place.

Zaic said,
maybe Sony is so aggressive because they feel that Microsoft has something to do with this

plot: (microsoft xbox is hacked long time ago, they loose money, game developers are angry because of piracy and start to favor Sony... so ms hires hackers to do the job and pays Geohot to release the keys)

So now Sony is looking through geohots finances in hopes of some intresting stuff

its a just thought .....

Its well known that even if Sony would win against Geohot, there are many skilled people to take his place.

I highly doubt that any developers have left the Xbox 360 due to piracy, it's not like it's rampant on the system.

This Sony crusade is going to far now. What impact has the jailbreak had on Sony/game devs sale's? Very little i expect, most ps3 owners would not jailbreak their console and risk getting barred from PSN. IMO the ps3 jailbreak would not lead to the levels piracy seen on other platforms due to the fact of the large data size involved, cost of media etc.
I do believe Sony has the right to protect their products but at what cost?

Whats wrong with everyone bandwagoning to flame Sony in this case. Geohotz WOULD'VE known Sony would hunt him down before he even started. Sony has always been rather agressive to those who break their copyright/patents. So it wasnt really a surprise Sony would go after Geohot.

Besides the point that Geohot was stupid enough to post those keys on his website, if he didnt... he wouldnt've broken anything in the DMCA.
But sharing the keys, which are copyrighted to Sony, without Sony allowing him to release it, Simply is Copyright Infrindgement.

Besides the fact that an open and broken console will be the death of the Playstion project. A project that has brought millions of people joy into their life. We've saw some great games because of the Playstion come to life. And many more to come.
Best yet, is that Sony is making millions of USD loss on the playstation project every day since the launch of the PSX.
Should be thankfull for Sony wasting their money on something you can enjoy if you want, and if you dont... just dont buy it

either way, probably useless as haters will always be hating. So enjoy being shallow and jump on the anti-sony bandwagon

Sounds like your one of Sony's most loyal customers with the way you spew that talk. While I never said it's right or wrong, Sony's underhand and frankly dirty tactics do not show them in a good light.

Heck even the Original PS3 was touted for supporting Linux (by Sony I believe) until they thought that was not a good idea as it would hurt them, why can't they rather than persecute them like some despot dictator use the community to their advantage like MS is started to lean towards? No that would be too obvious of course.

Also if you look at dvb2000's comment near the top Sony's track record on DRM, root-kits, etc is not great either. No wonder we dislike them.

Shadowzz said,

either way, probably useless as haters will always be hating. So enjoy being shallow and jump on the anti-sony bandwagon

^ gotta be trolling

StevenNT said,
Sounds like your one of Sony's most loyal customers with the way you spew that talk. While I never said it's right or wrong, Sony's underhand and frankly dirty tactics do not show them in a good light.

Heck even the Original PS3 was touted for supporting Linux (by Sony I believe) until they thought that was not a good idea as it would hurt them, why can't they rather than persecute them like some despot dictator use the community to their advantage like MS is started to lean towards? No that would be too obvious of course.

Also if you look at dvb2000's comment near the top Sony's track record on DRM, root-kits, etc is not great either. No wonder we dislike them.


And your anti-Sony spewing rhetoric is any better? We are all entitled to our opinion on this situation.

Shadowzz said,
Whats wrong with everyone bandwagoning to flame Sony in this case. Geohotz WOULD'VE known Sony would hunt him down before he even started. Sony has always been rather agressive to those who break their copyright/patents. So it wasnt really a surprise Sony would go after Geohot.

It's not just the why, but the how...

If you thought Sony or some other big corp did you wrong, could you go to the same lengths pursuing/harassing their CEO? Or would you face legal prosecution, possibly go to jail etc.?

Shadowzz said,
Whats wrong with everyone bandwagoning to flame Sony in this case. Geohotz WOULD'VE known Sony would hunt him down before he even started. Sony has always been rather agressive to those who break their copyright/patents. So it wasnt really a surprise Sony would go after Geohot.

Besides the point that Geohot was stupid enough to post those keys on his website, if he didnt... he wouldnt've broken anything in the DMCA.
But sharing the keys, which are copyrighted to Sony, without Sony allowing him to release it, Simply is Copyright Infrindgement.

Besides the fact that an open and broken console will be the death of the Playstion project. A project that has brought millions of people joy into their life. We've saw some great games because of the Playstion come to life. And many more to come.
Best yet, is that Sony is making millions of USD loss on the playstation project every day since the launch of the PSX.
Should be thankfull for Sony wasting their money on something you can enjoy if you want, and if you dont... just dont buy it

either way, probably useless as haters will always be hating. So enjoy being shallow and jump on the anti-sony bandwagon

Are you kidding me? For a minute, I thought I was reading the words of Sarah Palin.

Do you even know how encryption systems work? The bulk of the money invested is in the encryption algorithms, not the keys. Yes, GeoHot released the keys, but the greater part of it is the methods and details of the exploit, which are his work and not something that can or should be copyrighted or patented. He isn't stealing Sony's intellectual property. If he was, then the situation would be him making his own version of the PS3 and trying to sell it.

It is absolutely dumb to think that detailing a security exploit would "kill" the PlayStation project. Do you even know what the process of software development is? A very large part of it is finding out where the weaknesses are in your system and putting your efforts to making your product better. Sure, if Sony refuses to try to improve their product, _then_, yes, PlayStation is in trouble. Perhaps we should be worried for the PlayStation since Sony has decided to spend its efforts getting butthurt and suing GeoHot instead of improving their product.

You should realize that the actual "bandwagon" consists of people like you who are misinformed about what is really going on here and have little to no understanding of the technology in question. Get your facts straight and inform yourself first before making such an statement.

I so hope Sony lose this. Who gives them the right to go swanning around and persecute people?

They must be short of a few dollars so thought "hey let's screw this kid over big time" for releasing a jailbreak. Sony just to hell will you?

StevenNT said,
I so hope Sony lose this. Who gives them the right to go swanning around and persecute people?

They must be short of a few dollars so thought "hey let's screw this kid over big time" for releasing a jailbreak. Sony just to hell will you?


maybe because someone broke their copyrighted work they spend billions of USD on?
sounds rather fair to me

Shadowzz said,

maybe because someone broke their copyrighted work they spend billions of USD on?
sounds rather fair to me

I'd like to see the receipt of the 'billions' you just invented. You can't be serious. This is like you going into your car, taking pictures of the engine, posting it online showing where your type of car can have oil added, and getting sued by the car manufacturer.

Shadowzz said,

maybe because someone broke their copyrighted work they spend billions of USD on?
sounds rather fair to me
I wouldnt quite say that and I'll back it up with 2 very simple statements.

1: GeoHot never went online with that console and therefor never agreed to Sony's EULA.
2: GeoHot did purchase a product which is now of is his afterwards. If you open it you void any warranty or relations tied to Sony so they basically say its not their console if that happens.

Its like you buying a car from Ford, taking it home and than tearing it apart for information on how it works and then making a blog post about all of this new found information you obtained from something you own.

Morphine-X said,
I wouldnt quite say that and I'll back it up with 2 very simple statements.

1: GeoHot never went online with that console and therefor never agreed to Sony's EULA.
2: GeoHot did purchase a product which is now of is his afterwards. If you open it you void any warranty or relations tied to Sony so they basically say its not their console if that happens.

Its like you buying a car from Ford, taking it home and than tearing it apart for information on how it works and then making a blog post about all of this new found information you obtained from something you own.

You GeoHot supporters have the worst analogies ever. This is why you fail:

1. How do you know he didn't go online?
2. No they never say it's not their console, you just break the warranty. That means you don't get technical support for it.

And the car analogy fails. GeoHot didn't deliver info on how it works, but how to jailbreak it which also makes it available to pirate games ('apparently he didn't intend that to happen'). A good analogy would be 'X person buys car, finds out how to break in without breaking alamr and shares the info with everyone in the world so they can steal'.

Anooxy said,

You GeoHot supporters have the worst analogies ever. This is why you fail:

1. How do you know he didn't go online?
2. No they never say it's not their console, you just break the warranty. That means you don't get technical support for it.

And the car analogy fails. GeoHot didn't deliver info on how it works, but how to jailbreak it which also makes it available to pirate games ('apparently he didn't intend that to happen'). A good analogy would be 'X person buys car, finds out how to break in without breaking alamr and shares the info with everyone in the world so they can steal'.

+1

Anooxy said,
And the car analogy fails. GeoHot didn't deliver info on how it works, but how to jailbreak it which also makes it available to pirate games ('apparently he didn't intend that to happen'). A good analogy would be 'X person buys car, finds out how to break in without breaking alamr and shares the info with everyone in the world so they can steal'.

That analogy completely disregards his motive, so that doesn't work. I guess a better one would be if he figured out how to lower greenhouse gases by figuring out how to lower gas consumption, in order to save the planet, and having oil companies sue him because others might follow suit in order to lower the money they spend on gas.

Jaybonaut said,

That analogy completely disregards his motive, so that doesn't work. I guess a better one would be if he figured out how to lower greenhouse gases by figuring out how to lower gas consumption, in order to save the planet, and having oil companies sue him because others might follow suit in order to lower the money they spend on gas.

That doesn't work, though. Lowering gas usage is not illegal. Pirating games, on the other hand, is. As such, your analogy fails. What he posted on his site effectively allows people to pirate games, so the previous analogy with bypassing the alarm system (DRM in the PS3's case) so they can steal a car (Pirate games in PS3's case) is much more spot on.

Metodi Mitov said,

That doesn't work, though. Lowering gas usage is not illegal. Pirating games, on the other hand, is. As such, your analogy fails. What he posted on his site effectively allows people to pirate games, so the previous analogy with bypassing the alarm system (DRM in the PS3's case) so they can steal a car (Pirate games in PS3's case) is much more spot on.

You're an idiot. His main goal was to allow homebrew games on your system. People like you simply twist the story the the same way Fox News makes things Fairly Unbalanced. Just do away with all the car analogies. Think of it this way: the PS3 is basically a computer, but the company who sold it to you for a hefty lump of money does not allow you root access on your own damn computer. Do you think that's fair? If I buy a computer, I own it. Therefore, I should have root access on my computer.

mindscape said,

You're an idiot. His main goal was to allow homebrew games on your system. People like you simply twist the story the the same way Fox News makes things Fairly Unbalanced. Just do away with all the car analogies. Think of it this way: the PS3 is basically a computer, but the company who sold it to you for a hefty lump of money does not allow you root access on your own damn computer. Do you think that's fair? If I buy a computer, I own it. Therefore, I should have root access on my computer.

I agree. Just because he opened the door for others to modify his work to allow piracy on the platform does not mean he endorses it and put a gun to everyone's head and told them to rewrite his code to allow pirated games. He had active intentions just like those that hacked developed the PC drivers for the Kinect. His were to allow homebrew apps.

My analogies might be retarded or off beat, but my point still gets across. I'm not a Hotz fanboy I'm just realistic.. When I purchase something and I plan on doing something to the device which might get me sued I'm not going online with it to agree to some stupid ToS/EULA and I'm almost positive Hotz thought the exact same thing. If I remember right the ORIGINAL code that Hotz and Fail0verflow group released was not capable of running back ups and was primarily used for installing a custom version of Linux or other homebrew apps. It was eventually modified by others to allow the use of backups. So maybe I am defending Hotz, but mainly for people like yourself Anooxy and Metodi Mitov who doesn't quite understand what "HE" actually coded as it only allowed for packages to be installed.

JUDGE! I want you to grant me permission to look into your accounts so we can see how money was *donated* to you from Sony!

That's getting ridiculous now ... what's next? They will be granted to question people who slept with geohots?

Sony is violating basic rights not only of geohots but all other people who had or could have or never had something in common with him! I am glad I decided not to buy NGP(PSP2), I will seriously reconsider buying anything from Sony in future

SHADOW-XIII said,
JUDGE! I want you to grant me permission to look into your accounts so we can see how money was *donated* to you from Sony!

That's getting ridiculous now ... what's next? They will be granted to question people who slept with geohots?

Sony is violating basic rights not only of geohots but all other people who had or could have or never had something in common with him! I am glad I decided not to buy NGP(PSP2), I will seriously reconsider buying anything from Sony in future

list op people who slept with geohots? probably a very short list

SHADOW-XIII said,
JUDGE! I want you to grant me permission to look into your accounts so we can see how money was *donated* to you from Sony!

That's getting ridiculous now ... what's next? They will be granted to question people who slept with geohots?

Sony is violating basic rights not only of geohots but all other people who had or could have or never had something in common with him! I am glad I decided not to buy NGP(PSP2), I will seriously reconsider buying anything from Sony in future

@Sony...

Stop wasting money by paying bribe to the judge (personal view, please dont sue me as well ) and hiring those costly law firm services and such, rather spend the money in Japan, your own country needs more attention that a silly geohot stuff who broke his OWN ps3..

Choto Cheeta said,
@Sony...

Stop wasting money by paying bribe to the judge (personal view, please dont sue me as well ) and hiring those costly law firm services and such, rather spend the money in Japan, your own country needs more attention that a silly geohot stuff who broke his OWN ps3..

it gets personal I guess. that's why there is no turning back for sony..

koo9 said,

it gets personal I guess. that's why there is no turning back for sony..

After you sell the product, its the buyers property, its up to the buyer to do what ever he wants with the that stuff..

AFAIK, that guy never went online to connect with sony with that broken PS3, then whats the problem ??

Secondly, he taught others how to break their device, So ?? once again, those guys are also the owner of their respective PS3.. They own it and then can break it physically or virtually, whats the problem in it ??

Piracy ??? yeah, the game makers can definitely sue those who runs priated.. But why sueing for breaking the PS3 even when the guy owns the BOX !!!

Choto Cheeta said,

After you sell the product, its the buyers property, its up to the buyer to do what ever he wants with the that stuff..!

Hopefully you're trolling, if that were the case...there'd be no lawsuit, you might also want to check your local laws since you've likely broken laws if this is your stance.

stablemist said,
I hope Sony loses this battle.

Considering how this case is progressing I think it's highly unlikely. Not that I support Sony.

Ridiculous. Sony you're p1ssing me off more and more everyday, not like I would have bought a Sony product before... BUT NOW I REALLY WON'T and will avoid doing so at all costs.

wonder how much sony is paying the judge to bend the rules.....money that could well be spent helping the people of japan ....ps3 is a dying machine anyways....psn plus=bust, plastation move=bust...need i say more...my ps3 is sitting at home collecting dust right now.

This judge gives Sony more rights than they'd have if they were trying Hotz for mass terrorism or something. What did Hotz do? Kill 394 people in a bloody rampage? Or simply publish some code people can use on THEIR (!) PS3s - or not?

That judge is completely whacked. First the Twitter accounts, now that? WTF? Can anybody open HIS accounts and look for large donations from Sony?

I'm guessing that they have not found enough evidence to take him to court on their terms, so they are going to dig up some more in the hope that they find what they are looking for, if it is there or not

SK[ said,]The more he protests what he is doing is right the more I like to see this guy go down for it.
Yeah, that judge really needs to go down.

Haven't Sony gone broke yet. The amount of money they waste creating "copy protection" schemes, chasing the odd user through the legal & court system. the root kits they put on YOUR computer, the DRM they develop to stop you backing up your own movies. No one should buy their gear. (snipped)

Edited by Eric, Mar 17 2011, 1:17pm :

dvb2000 said,
Haven't Sony gone broke yet. The amount of money they waste creating "copy protection" schemes, chasing the odd user through the legal & court system. the root kits they put on YOUR computer, the DRM they develop to stop you backing up your own movies. No one should buy their gear.(snipped)
Root kit on my computer? Why does a PS3 link to a PC?

Edited by Eric, Mar 17 2011, 1:35pm :

tanjiajun_34 said,
Root kit on my computer? Why does a PS3 link to a PC?

He is referring to the fiasco that was created when Sony tried to protect their audio cds. A few of them had a piece of software that was loaded automatically (without intervention) when you ran the cd on a pc and it interfered with normal drive usage for ripping audio cds. It was highly criticized as a rootkit and going too far so Sony backed off and provided a removal tool. Those same discs no longer have this protection on them.

dvb2000 said,
Haven't Sony gone broke yet. The amount of money they waste creating "copy protection" schemes, chasing the odd user through the legal & court system. the root kits they put on YOUR computer, the DRM they develop to stop you backing up your own movies. No one should buy their gear. (snipped)

Any complaints about something that happened within the last 5 years?
Old news is old.

PS: The movie industry wants things like region and copy protection. You probably think the Highway Patrol sets the speed limits too.

SK[ said,]The more he protests what he is doing is right the more I like to see this guy go down for it.

Either he has been advised by his legal counsel to say that, or he believes it, maybe both. If it's his legal counsel, one would hope they know what they're doing. If it's his belief, seems to me standing up for what you believe in was one of the pillars the US is built on -- he's as much right to his point of view as you have to yours.

SK[ said,]The more he protests what he is doing is right the more I like to see this guy go down for it.

That may be so but what will sony do with the user info. Think about it. Personally how would you feel if you found out where the funding was coming from for one of your enemies? Would you program your future software to screw with these people? Or would you let it go? Why else would you need records but to identify your enemies and take care of them. Just my conspiracy conscious self. I mean next time some one puts you on hold for hours when you call sony for technical help think about what i discussed here if you are one of the donators.