Start menu rumors are heating up, currently referred to as 'mini-Start' internally

Stardock's Start8 is one of many third party Start menu programs for Windows 8.1.

Many Windows 8.1 users got excited earlier this week when rumors hit the Internet claiming Microsoft is planning to add a full Start menu back to the desktop. At the time, the reports claimed that we would have to wait until Microsoft unleashes its next major Windows release, code named "Threshold."

Now a new article at ZDNet, citing unnamed sources at Microsoft, claims that not only is the Start menu project likely to happen, but that it could be released before the planned "Threshold" update. One possibility is that Microsoft could include the new Start menu as part of a smaller Windows 8.1 update that will be released in the spring of 2014. That same update could also include support for a smaller Surface tablet.

The same report claims that Microsoft has not decided what kind of a design the Start menu should have. The project apparently has an internal name "mini-Start" because it's not designed to take up the entire display like the regular Start screen does in Windows 8 and 8.1. It will be interesting to see if Microsoft comes up with a UI for the menu that is similar to the classic Start menus in Windows XP, Vista and 7 or something that looks more like a list of Windows 8.1 Modern tile styled apps.

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I wouldn't go back to the Start Menu either.
I wish people would just get over it and start using the Start Screen - The Start Menu is gone, and for good reason considering all of the testing Microsoft did before making this change.

I really hope they add the start menu, its definitely a must needed item more than anything else in the whole OS.

I really hope this does NOT happen. It is bad enough with the Start Hack they did with Windows 8.1. There is no need what so ever for any Start Menu period.

they finally realized the foolishness of a touchscreen desktop pc.....

maybe the guy with gorilla arms is finally leaving...

mocax said,
they finally realized the foolishness of a touchscreen desktop pc.....

maybe the guy with gorilla arms is finally leaving...

By that reasoning then it's also foolish to have a touchscreen laptop or that you can connect a mouse to Surface!!

I hope to see a direct imitation of the windows phone UI as a start menu. A grid of customizable size icons (Perhaps based on the layout on the full screen) as the main part, with a little arrow to jump across to a full application list with by letter jumps. Would be perfect for use on desktops and tablets.

With Windows 8.1 when you're on the Desktop, just press Win+S to get the search panel! In Windows 8.1 you are able to search for applications, files and Windows settings without leaving the Desktop.
Win+S
Win+F
Win+W

Edited by yeppala, Dec 12 2013, 7:49am :

To anyone who is gullible enough to have been taken in by this headline: don't be. There are no "rumors" that are "heating up" unless one is meaning "irritated to indifferent public" that is "tired of increasingly desperate ploys to shove onto it a product it does not want, blared at them by an increasingly-obviously-bought-and-paid-for media."

I pretty sure that this will be more than just the old 7 Start Menu as that would look really dumb. Generally give time and look at something that's problematic, Microsoft has done a pretty excellent job of fixing the issue. I see something that's based on the modern UI that replicates the look and feel of the old Start Menu that's still touch capable and I would suspect that this would also entail changes to the full screen Start Screen as well.

I for one am thankful for the change. I dont like the start screen, personal preference and dont say its because im a noob or some other insult that a lot of start screen fans like to throw out there, I've been using PC's since CP/M was the hot OS.

Now that out of the way, Choice is a good thing, all those arguing otherwise are rather close minded. If its a choice you dont have to use it, and I can. We can both live happy lives side by side no need for all this vitriol and hate to one side or another. This really is a win/win if its true and really is a start button type menu.

For those of us that own stock, this is a great thing. It might just get more people to use the product and help the stock go up. Yay us!

The Start screen is fine, but I think first priority should be the ability to run Modern apps in a desktop style window. It's really awkward to constantly switch between modern apps and desktop programs. The adjustable split screen in Windows 8.1 is a little better than it was in 8.0, but still too cumbersome. Bring back the windows to Windows please.

Not sure about it. I'm using computer at work w/ Windows 7, and I keep trying to go back to start screen ... lol ...

Why not have a single press of the windows key/click of start menu icon to bring up the traditional Windows 7 start menu, and a double press/click to bring up the new metro window? Seems simple enough..

j2006 said,
No thank you. Start Menu is here to stay, and the option for a mini-start menu would be great.

It's good to have options but I think the new changes should be the standard ones, to push things forward.

I've always said they should have used a "Windows Phone" styled start menu (although it's not really a menu anymore).

Think about it-- the WP8 start screen popping up from the start button-- you've still got live tiles, and you can swipe right (or click the (->) button) for a list of all programs. You don't have this massive context-change-take-me-out-of-my-workflow giant start screen, but get the best of the metro UX.

cyberdrone2000 said,
I've always said they should have used a "Windows Phone" styled start menu (although it's not really a menu anymore).

Think about it-- the WP8 start screen popping up from the start button-- you've still got live tiles, and you can swipe right (or click the (->) button) for a list of all programs. You don't have this massive context-change-take-me-out-of-my-workflow giant start screen, but get the best of the metro UX.

That might be fine if Windows Phone was a huge success.

The start menu is gone forever, it's not coming back
No, it's gone for good
OK, you can have a start button
No, that's all you are getting
Maybe we will give you something like the old start menu but you must wait

Monkeys.

Cant wait for this "new feature". Doing fine without it after learning to adjust but i do miss it and many friends and family who try and use one of my machines (all mine are on 8.1) always seam to struggle without the start menu.

I don't access the Start menu (on Win7) that much anymore, but still think users should have the final choice.

Too little too late for me from Microsoft. They can put Windows 8/8.1 where the sun don't shine. I'm sticking with Windows 7 for the foreseeable future.

I don't have any idea why Microsoft just wont add a fracking real start menu. They have features hundreds of features in word and excel that people don't use, yet when people want something they keep doing half way measures. Make it a option that you have to turn on in settings and be done with it.

I think they just really wanted to force everyone to conform to their new Metro design so they can sell apps in their app store and get everyone used to the interface so they can sell tablets too. Apple makes most of their money doing it so Microsoft wanted some of the pie also.

Has any one noticed if you are helping someone setup their new Windows 8 computer and you are showing them how to use the start screen and their eyes glaze over.

I don't get that far. People give me a new computer and ask me to put Windows 7 on it.
They are the customer, and I do what they say.

Barzoom said,
just make the start screen vertically scroll on the left of the screen. Easy problem solved.

Yep... that's how I have my Windows 7 machine set up. Just a simple list of apps that pops up on the left... and not taking over the whole screen like that Start Screen:

http://i.imgur.com/DJcav.png

Can't say I'd ever go back to a start menu. It's such an old and outdated way of getting to things.
But I also can't see anything wrong with giving the dinosaurs an option at least.

So long as they also give the rest of us who know how to adapt the option of disabling it

For a power user there are many benefits to having a small, unobtrusive list of applications just a click away. The full-screen clutter, decoration and animations just aren't necessary. I imagine if Microsoft limited Windows so that it could only display applications full-screen (like a smart-phone) users on this site would eventually welcome the change and look down their noses at the people who are actually capable of effective window management.

I am a power user. The argument or implication that power users prefer a small start screen is true only for the power users that do, not all of us.

Equally the argument or implication that anyone not using the new start screen is a "dinosaur" or "can't adapt" is rather narrow minded.

Yeah, let's trust on ZDNet, wich always showed how much they hate Windows 8, specially because they miss the start menu.
I'm really fine with the start screen. It's easy to customize, beautiful and very functional.

Microsoft plans to bring the Start Menu back to Windows. This will reportedly be an option; customers don't have to use it if they're already accustomed to the new methods of finding apps and services. There's also a chance that the Start Menu will only be offered to the product versions that support the desktop (like desktops and laptops).
"As you can today with third-party utilities such as ModernMix, the next version of Windows will let users optionally run Metro apps in floating windows on the desktop.

What the heck is wrong with opportunities dot m?
You and the minorities can probably still use windows 8.2 as you do now with win8.1
Many of us desktop users will be happy to run modern apps in a windows on the desktop.
Now we only need aero transparent back as an option too.

Why is there no edit post here?
I made a spelling error:
Here is the correct text line.
Many of us desktop users will be happy to run modern apps in a window on the desktop.

Luke777 said,
Why is there no edit post here?

There is. But it's time limited (hint: hover to the left of the "Like" button and you'll see a pencil appear there.. which is ironic because you can't edit your comment on a tablet - you need a mouse to hover)

ZipZapRap said,
There is. But it's time limited (hint: hover to the left of the "Like" button and you'll see a pencil appear there.. which is ironic because you can't edit your comment on a tablet - you need a mouse to hover)

True, but that's a site issue not a tablet issue. If you're using any of the Surface tablets then it's as easy as plugging a mouse into the USB port, on any other tablet you're SOL.

After using Win 8.1 on all my devices, I'm having difficulties using win 7 on uni computers. All the corners and start screen are "in the marrow", so to speak.
It's nice having all games and programs sorted in groups on the start screen, just scroll and while scrolling move cursor to the right program. Ctrl+scroll makes it faster reaching right group.

Can't see myself using start menu if they implement that. To find the right game/program from a long list, ugh...

Roberticus said,
After using Win 8.1 on all my devices, I'm having difficulties using win 7 on uni computers. All the corners and start screen are "in the marrow", so to speak.
It's nice having all games and programs sorted in groups on the start screen, just scroll and while scrolling move cursor to the right program. Ctrl+scroll makes it faster reaching right group.

Can't see myself using start menu if they implement that. To find the right game/program from a long list, ugh...

That's exactly how I feel. It'd be like going back to a Mini Cooper after getting to drive a Porsche.

Roberticus said,
After using Win 8.1 on all my devices, I'm having difficulties using win 7 on uni computers. All the corners and start screen are "in the marrow", so to speak.
It's nice having all games and programs sorted in groups on the start screen, just scroll and while scrolling move cursor to the right program. Ctrl+scroll makes it faster reaching right group.

Can't see myself using start menu if they implement that. To find the right game/program from a long list, ugh...

I recently tried to to a few things on Windows 7 and I had to think about it for a bit. Windows 8.1 seems really intuitive for me now. It has come a long way from not being able to restart/shutdown my windows 8 device =).

It appears that MS is following the philosophy that IBM fine-tuned and exploited several decades ago -- FUD (Fear, Uncertainly, Doubt). Not nice, MS. One might want to review what happened to IBM--a mere shadow of its former self, then a major rebranding; but, still nowhere nearly as omnipotent as it was in the 60s and 70s.

A group of Microsoft haters decide to make the Start menu an issue to try to frighten people away from Win8.x. Microsoft (allegedly) decide to bow to that pressure from Microsoft haters and add back the Start menu. And by doing this, it is Microsoft who is spreading FUD?

WhatTheSchmidt said,
A group of Microsoft haters decide to make the Start menu an issue to try to frighten people away from Win8.x. Microsoft (allegedly) decide to bow to that pressure from Microsoft haters and add back the Start menu. And by doing this, it is Microsoft who is spreading FUD?

What the hell are you smoking....
ITs not a small group of haters, this site has a majority of MS fans, myself included look up my previous post history if any doubts exits.
I despise apple with a passion,
I love windows and thats why i was so enraged when MS decided to force the "my way or the highway policy"
Sales figures , Facebook, reddit, amazon, personal observations show etc all point a picture where windows 8 full screen layout on DESKTOPS and the start screen is a polarizing subject.
It not a small group of secrect linux and apple trojans causing havoc, metro is just not suitable for desktop, hence the reason MS have now been back peddling ever since they realise how much resistance there is to it.

Windows 7 was great because they took the feedback and made the changes, with windows 8 they seemed to ignore all the beta testers and generaltesters and push through a new way of doing things which backfired.

But if its all a linux and apple conspiracy to you, then well whatever helps you sleep at night.

Hitman2000 said,

What the hell are you smoking....

I'd like to know that too. It is nice to see that someone who use to complain about being labeled an Apple hater is now labeling the people who dislike Windows 8 as Microsoft haters. Pot, kettle, black?

Anyways, the notion that the majority of people who dislike Windows 8 are really people who don't use Windows at all is laughable. Have we not been paying attention to what has been going on at Neowin for the past two years? Windows 8 has caused a rift in the Windows fan base. I use to be very critical of Windows 8 when it first started to roll out, but I got over it and now I can't stand getting on a machine that doesn't have it installed.

Microsoft didn't change direction on the Xbox because a few Sony fanboys were upset, and they didn't bring the Start button back in 8.1 because some Mac users were sad to see it go (it was really a branding thing). Microsoft did what Microsoft did because a large percentage of THEIR customers were unhappy. Simple as that. I mean, they own 95% of the desktop market. Do you really think Microsoft is dumb enough to let that remaining 5% dictate what direction to go?

benthebear said,

I'd like to know that too. It is nice to see that someone who use to complain about being labeled an Apple hater is now labeling the people who dislike Windows 8 as Microsoft haters. Pot, kettle, black?

Anyways, the notion that the majority of people who dislike Windows 8 are really people who don't use Windows at all is laughable. Have we not been paying attention to what has been going on at Neowin for the past two years? Windows 8 has caused a rift in the Windows fan base. I use to be very critical of Windows 8 when it first started to roll out, but I got over it and now I can't stand getting on a machine that doesn't have it installed.

Microsoft didn't change direction on the Xbox because a few Sony fanboys were upset, and they didn't bring the Start button back in 8.1 because some Mac users were sad to see it go (it was really a branding thing). Microsoft did what Microsoft did because a large percentage of THEIR customers were unhappy. Simple as that. I mean, they own 95% of the desktop market. Do you really think Microsoft is dumb enough to let that remaining 5% dictate what direction to go?

This.

I hated the new W8 when it came out because when I noticed no normal start menu, I was like huu? And the W8 start screen was pretty 'unmodifiable' so it made it worse. But what did I do? Installed a start menu, free. Then W8 was fine for me. SImple as that. W8 is not all bad. If they fix the start menu problem, its more like an updated W7.

Hitman2000 said,

What the hell are you smoking....
ITs not a small group of haters, this site has a majority of MS fans, myself included look up my previous post history if any doubts exits.
I despise apple with a passion,
I love windows and thats why i was so enraged when MS decided to force the "my way or the highway policy"
Sales figures , Facebook, reddit, amazon, personal observations show etc all point a picture where windows 8 full screen layout on DESKTOPS and the start screen is a polarizing subject.
It not a small group of secrect linux and apple trojans causing havoc, metro is just not suitable for desktop, hence the reason MS have now been back peddling ever since they realise how much resistance there is to it.

Windows 7 was great because they took the feedback and made the changes, with windows 8 they seemed to ignore all the beta testers and generaltesters and push through a new way of doing things which backfired.

But if its all a linux and apple conspiracy to you, then well whatever helps you sleep at night.

Up above I was scolded because I was supposedly stating my opinion as fact. Now I am being scolded because my opinion is not "fact." Guess you can never win.

The desktop isn't going to disappear any time soon but neither can Microsoft drop the modern UI. Touch and mobility is the future so Microsoft needs to incorporate both.

I think its a smart move to adapt the UI to the device its running on. So whether you're running Windows on a Phone, tablet, laptop or PC the UI should change to whatever works best for the screen resolution, screen size and touch ability.

This could mean the start screen taking up less space and putting more focus on the desktop for productive devices. But personally the size of the start screen doesnt seem like an issue. I think its more of an issue that the start screen isnt easy to navigate on non-touch devices. At least it feels less intuitive and its clear better designs can be imagined for non-touch. Especially the hidden UI elements should be onscreen all time when you're working with non-touch. Basically the moment you move the mouse a taskbar with the charms (incl. start), app-switcher and app commands should pop-up.

This is clearly to please users who the displeased with previous decisions. I wonder how much of this has to do with SteamOS becoming available. You know it's possible SteamOS could get AAA titles developed for it before WinRT.

MorganX said,
This is clearly to please users who the displeased with previous decisions. I wonder how much of this has to do with SteamOS becoming available. You know it's possible SteamOS could get AAA titles developed for it before WinRT.

Thanks for the laugh. I needed it.

MorganX said,
This is clearly to please users who the displeased with previous decisions. I wonder how much of this has to do with SteamOS becoming available. You know it's possible SteamOS could get AAA titles developed for it before WinRT.

I dont know anything about that and neither do I care about games myself. I also dont see the relation you're talking about. Frankly your comment seems random.

True enough this is done to please those that are displeased. Like I said the desktop isnt going anywhere and particularly on non-touch devices its a must. Which is why I suggest creating an UI that adapts to the device running it. This has nothing to do with gaming because when you play a game you're not even seeing the UI. This is for those that want to use Windows 8 productively. I think for them the desktop should be more integrated in the core experience.

Dot, how many AAA titles need to be developed for Steam OS to be more than WinRT? Sure, it's far fetched, but we will see. Gabe's Grizzly Adams beard is looking intimidating.

MorganX said,
Dot, how many AAA titles need to be developed for Steam OS to be more than WinRT? Sure, it's far fetched, but we will see. Gabe's Grizzly Adams beard is looking intimidating.

Why do they need to be compiled for WinRT to count? What games do you play now that require the desktop?

Just about everything requires the Desktop Environment to install and launch. None of them require WinRT. I bet we'll see a AAA title for SteamOS before we see one that installs and lunches without the Desktop Environment. Why WinRT? Because if it's not going to produce AAA titles, why does it need to exist on the desktop?

Perhaps these steps backward, welcome or unwelcome, are conceding that.

MorganX said,
Just about everything requires the Desktop Environment to install and launch. None of them require WinRT. I bet we'll see a AAA title for SteamOS before we see one that installs and lunches without the Desktop Environment. Why WinRT? Because if it's not going to produce AAA titles, why does it need to exist on the desktop?

Perhaps these steps backward, welcome or unwelcome, are conceding that.

They require Win32. There's absolutely nothing stopping them from publishing to the Windows Store. Unless you want a Steam monopoly? Besides, why only AAA titles? Do other games not count? Spartan Assault, The Gunstringer, Temple Run, and the various other games *already on WinRT* don't count?

Of course they're Win32, and putting Win32 in the Windows Store, I supposed that's convenient for some. As convenient as going to the Steam store I guess.

No, IMO, those are not AAA games. Those are tablet quality time passers. I can see you putting in Spartan Assault, but seriously, suggesting an endless runner is a AAA game. Come on now.

Anyway, the point is, Microsoft needs to clarify it's direction and why it's going backwards. And I think the will. You just can't PO millions of users, cause enterprise confusion and training costs, then start backpedaling without an explanation. I think they better put some sort of Start Menu back at this point, but right now they're all over the place with no sense of direction. All this while hunting for a new CEO. Wait, maybe that's "why" they're hunting for a new CEO. nvm.

MorganX said,

Anyway, the point is, Microsoft needs to clarify it's direction and why it's going backwards. And I think the will. You just can't PO millions of users, cause enterprise confusion and training costs, then start backpedaling without an explanation. I think they better put some sort of Start Menu back at this point, but right now they're all over the place with no sense of direction. All this while hunting for a new CEO. Wait, maybe that's "why" they're hunting for a new CEO. nvm.

Going backwards? Clarifying their direction?

You guys just cant stop with this over the top nonsense. They are going to add a start menu, wow, that's the end of the world. It proves MS is directionless..... yeah right.

I swear, even when MS does something some people want, they get attacked for it. I just have to laugh at the idea that if MS caters to those that want more familiar ui features, they are also unable to pursue advancing the new ui they have introduced.

You want to know what their direction is? Its a unification of all devices running a single windows os with a modular UI depending on the need. That means connected app stores and a single base for developers to take advantage of.

While they transition to this, things will be very bumpy at times and they will have to react to the changing market. In this tiny little case, MS are reacting to customer demand and adding in some features people want to see.

Stop being hysterical and overly defensive. Of course their going backwards. It's as simple as that. It's going to make many happy, but that's what it is. Have you been in hibernation the past 2 years. You really think you can just pretend bringing a Start Menu back isn't going backwards. Get real before you lose all credibility.

You can give your opinion of why they're going backwards, or what it means moving forward, but that's exactly what they're doing.

trooper11 said,

Going backwards? Clarifying their direction?

MorganX said,
Stop being hysterical and overly defensive. Of course their going backwards. It's as simple as that. It's going to make many happy, but that's what it is. Have you been in hibernation the past 2 years. You really think you can just pretend bringing a Start Menu back isn't going backwards. Get real before you lose all credibility.

You can give your opinion of why they're going backwards, or what it means moving forward, but that's exactly what they're doing.

Sure, its bringing back something that was removed with Win 8, but then why are you making it out to be a bad thing? You didn't just leave it at going backwards, you went on to claim it makes MS look directionless, etc. That's the part that I think is silly.

Also, they are only adding the option for a start menu, they aren't removing other features that they added in Win 8. To me, truly going backwards would be removing features that were new to 8, not adding features that were left out of the first version.

Its just weird that people complained about MS leaving out the option, and then complain when they may be adding it back in. Someone at MS gets it and now we are going to spin it as negative and it somehow makes them seem directionless. MS can't add a feature back from a previous version of windows without it upsetting someone.

Y

MorganX said,

You can give your opinion of why they're going backwards, or what it means moving forward, but that's exactly what they're doing.

I just wanted to add that I didn't mean to make it an argument with you. I usually agree with points you make.

I just didn't feel like this was a big deal. I thought most people would be happy to see MS listening to feedback. Of course we can lament what could have been or if they had launched Win 8 with everything that it has in 8.1 or what will be 8.2, but we are here now. MS is going through a lot of changes and throughout that, they seem to be returning to some sanity across all of their platforms.

Raa said,
It should've happened 2 years ago IMO.

Ever notice how, by saying something never should've happened in the first place, you're basically saying nothing done from today till the end of time could ever possibly make you happy?

Kinda makes you sound like a child.

Joshie said,

Ever notice how, by saying something never should've happened in the first place, you're basically saying nothing done from today till the end of time could ever possibly make you happy?

Kinda makes you sound like a child.

But why not just give an option to begin with? They got a bad rap why? Because there was no option for a 'what your already comfortable with' start menu. The start 'screen' was what, the primary complaint? Yes. They could have saved their own bad rap by just including a dam option. Why do you think its 'considered' now? Because they realize that not EVERYONE wants to use a stupid full screen 'menu'. Its just that simple. No need to bash others because they don't like what you like. Give options. Its the ONLY way to make everyone happy. Too bad M$ are learning this now, 3 iterations later of W8. Start8 made how much money? Why is that...its not people just wanting to throw money away (albeit $5 isn't much, but still).

theslam08 said,

Because they realize that not EVERYONE wants to use a stupid full screen 'menu'. Its just that simple.

I don't think some great realization has dawned on them. Just that the guy in charge of pushing the new UI aggressively is no longer around and the traditional UI faction has reasserted its dominance, its argument bolstered by the sales figures.

Although I am not interested in the old start menu anymore, it is nice to see Microsoft fixing Windows, some people still love it.

It will be nice to see the glass interface back as well, I know that there are third party apps that are trying to get some glass back, but it will be nice if there was a project in Microsoft called mini-glass as well

This. I was one of those who wanted the under-the-hood improvements of 8, liked the idea of the start screen, but used Start8 because I couldn't let go that fast. Since 8.1, I have no Start Menu replacement. Its good that they are adding it back in for those who want it though.

IMO once you genuinely give it a try and get used to it, the benefits are clear. Of course I have Desktop, Computer, and Control Panel pinned for quick access.

I would also like to see aero glass return. I hope that mini-start will also have the option to disable all the hot corners.

Cool, make it something new that doesn't have to occupy the entire screen like the Start Screen.

Looking forward to seeing what they come up with.

It doesn't make a difference what they come up with. People will still find a reason to complain just so that they can create FUD and try to drive people away from Windows.

There are a few people who honestly dislike the new metro screen, but that is a very small part of the population. The rest of the people who complain have an interest in making OSX/iOS/Android/Linux/etc. win.

thartist said,
I'm mostly sure they'll come up with a remedy worse than the ill, but at least it will be something. Typical Microsoft.

You make a claim that you believe Microsoft will mess it up, and then blame them for messing up what they have not even announced yet?

Typical Microsoft hater.

WhatTheSchmidt said,
It doesn't make a difference what they come up with. People will still find a reason to complain just so that they can create FUD and try to drive people away from Windows.

There are a few people who honestly dislike the new metro screen, but that is a very small part of the population. The rest of the people who complain have an interest in making OSX/iOS/Android/Linux/etc. win.

You forgot to add "In my opinion"
Here it is someone with a different opinion:
http://windowsitpro.com/window...-windows-big-changes-coming

Fritzly said,

You forgot to add "In my opinion"
Here it is someone with a different opinion:
http://windowsitpro.com/window...-windows-big-changes-coming

And that is why I wrote "There are a few people..." I know you cannot please 100% of the people 100% of the time, but the majority of those who are complaining are people who don't use Windows at all. In this article alone there are people who very clearly hate Microsoft to their core, and they are the ones making the biggest complaints; it is said that by adding a menu, Microsoft is spreading FUD (not really sure if they know what that means), two comments up from yours it has already been decided that Microsoft is adding the menu back, and they will make it worse than Win8. The campaign to discredit Win 8.2 is already in full swing.

And usually, if PThurrot likes/dislikes something, I dislike/like it on principle.

WhatTheSchmidt said,

And that is why I wrote "There are a few people..." I know you cannot please 100% of the people 100% of the time, but the majority of those who are complaining are people who don't use Windows at all. In this article alone there are people who very clearly hate Microsoft to their core, and they are the ones making the biggest complaints; it is said that by adding a menu, Microsoft is spreading FUD (not really sure if they know what that means), two comments up from yours it has already been decided that Microsoft is adding the menu back, and they will make it worse than Win8. The campaign to discredit Win 8.2 is already in full swing.

And usually, if PThurrot likes/dislikes something, I dislike/like it on principle.

Funny, I have over 300 business' that are clients of mine, and not a single person in all of them that I work with "likes" Windows 8 / 8.1, yet every single one of them uses Windows 7.

I won't move forward to any Windows variant that uses "metro". All of my server installs of 2012 / R2 all are core installs, so no UI period now.

And if you like / dislike something simply because of someone elses opinion, that shows how shallow / not shallow you are.

Yeah, you have 300 clients who are influenced by your own bias of Windows 8.
Just a consumers are by so-called tech journalists who complain and go back to their iToys, or friends / family who have decided that they don't like it, so no one else should.

I knew it. all you folks are going to get is the new start screen in a window, just like modern mix lets you do it.

Edited by zhangm, Dec 12 2013, 2:54am :

neonspark said,
I knew it. all you folks are going to get is the new start screen in a window, just like modern mix lets you do it.

I'm among those who prefer the Start Screen, and while I don't want the Menu back at all, I might be able to accept a Screen-styled version. Give it the usability of the Screen, but in a smaller format.

Edited by zhangm, Dec 12 2013, 2:28am :

neonspark said,
I knew it. all you folks are going to get is the new start screen in a window, just like modern mix lets you do it.

This is still a rumor and nothing has been conformed 100%. Things can change so really know one knows whats going on. All that is being made is guesses at this point and is subject to change.

techbeck said,

This is still a rumor and nothing has been conformed 100%. Things can change so really know one knows whats going on. All that is being made is guesses at this point and is subject to change.

While I agree the thing is that if/when they bring it back I don't expect it to be the same one from Windows 7 but a new one. Look at who is in charge of the os group now, it's the windows Phone guys, the old windows bosses are gone, even the guy in charge of ux was pushed out not too long ago.

So I expect a menu but not the one from before as we know it.

DConnell said,

I'm among those who prefer the Start Screen, and while I don't want the Menu back at all, I might be able to accept a Screen-styled version. Give it the usability of the Screen, but in a smaller format.

I use the Start Screen as well but I cannot care less if the Start Menu comes back; actually the opposite: if it comes back boosting W8 sales.... being a MS shareholder I will be really pleased.