Start Menu won't return to Windows 8.1 until 2015

Back at its BUILD conference in April, Microsoft announced that the Start Menu would be returning to Windows 8.1, and even went as far as to show a preview of what it would look like. The promised return of the 'classic'-style menu was met with wide approval, given that many still dislike the Start screen that Microsoft introduced with Windows 8. 

The company did not disclose exactly when the Start menu would be available in Windows 8.1, saying only that it would return in a future update. Speaking with journalist Mary Jo Foley in April, Microsoft's Terry Myerson explained: "The reason we (showed) that work is we thought it was important to share with developers. When do I deliver it? I really don't have anything to share there. We're just not ready yet." 

A report a couple of weeks later suggested that the Start menu was set to arrive later this year with the planned Update 2 for Windows 8.1. But Mary Jo has been tapping her sources for information, and today, she reported that it now seems extremely unlikely that the Start menu will makes its way back to Windows 8.1 any time this year. 

She cites a couple of sources that she says have had "good track records on Windows information", who have indicated that Microsoft has adjusted its plans regarding the menu. Rather than delivering it as part of Update 2, it seems that the company has decided that it would make more sense to include it in the next major Windows release, codename 'Threshold'

Threshold, which is widely expected to be called Windows 9 at launch, is still believed to be on track for launch in April 2015. That means that those looking forward to the Start menu's return will still have to wait another ten months or so. Mary Jo says that she is unsure whether Microsoft chose to delay its plans for the menu due to time constraints with its Update 2 release schedule, or if another factor has come into play. 

The company has also previewed the ability to run Modern apps in a windowed mode on the Windows 8.1 Desktop, but this is another feature that is unlikely to arrive until the launch of Windows 9 next year.

Source: Mary Jo Foley / All About Microsoft 

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Who cares? Windows 8 is cripples beyond repair. Windows 9 will have everything and the chain of win/fail will be preserved :)

DaveBG said,
Who cares? Windows 8 is cripples beyond repair. Windows 9 will have everything and the chain of win/fail will be preserved :)

Lol what's this nonsense?

I really started to like Microsoft New CEO Satya. I can see the change in Microsoft from outside already. instead of rushing to a new half baked thing. they are taking their time now to make sure it works good. that is new in Microsoft

MS and their little game of being 'fashionably late' isn't going to keep working for them. The market is a different place than it was 20 years ago.

MS lie for a living!! Not surprising but very disappointing.

Is must be extremely difficult to code a start menu... all those little blocks...

So you remove something that has been part of Windows for what, 10 or more years. and it takes you 3 or more years to put it back? Wut?

Won't release because it's not ready? What changed at MS. Windows 8 wasn't ready and they released it. Same with the Xbox.

By the time they're ready to stop ######ing around, they'll be announcing Windows 9. Everything at MS is is so ######ing slow when it comes to Windows 8 and Windows Phone. It's pathetic really.

Shame really. For me a modernized start menu would eliminate every single complaint I have with Windows 8. Quite frankly a properly done start menu could work better even on a tablet. The start screen has always been just a total mess. I've been using computers for 20 years and I still find it difficult to make my start screen both useful and aesthetically pleasing. The start menu will completely solve that problem for me.

Windows XP is not supported anymore, and Windows 7 is nearing its mainstream support. Which leaves Windows 8.1 Update 1 being in the freshest among them.

PotatoAlchemist said,
Windows XP is not supported anymore, and Windows 7 is nearing its mainstream support. Which leaves Windows 8.1 Update 1 being in the freshest among them.

Software are not like french fries that you need real fresh. Win 7 is going to another XP and much more than that. Don't believe me then wait and watch.

I don't care about the new start menu but i would like to be able to run RT apps in a window before 2015.

AppleFanBoy254 said,
Windows 8 is not bad once you used it. People jumping to conclusion because a tech journalist told them so. Start button is not needed.

It is ironic that MS got the same information around 3 years ago when they did customer use test on 2 dumb users and found Start menu is not needed, of course majority told them otherwise.

They just need to quickly stop the bad press hemorrhage of Windows 8. Just in the last 2 weeks I had more than 3 customers tell me how bad they heard windows 8 was.

One customer heard it from a walmart employee when they were shopping for a new computer. The employee told them "Nobody who buys windows 8 likes it"

warwagon said,
They just need to quickly stop the bad press hemorrhage of Windows 8. Just in the last 2 weeks I had more than 3 customers tell me how bad they heard windows 8 was.

One customer heard it from a walmart employee when they were shopping for a new computer. The employee told them "Nobody who buys windows 8 likes it"

Well Walmart employee was honest and was providing greatest customer service with that information. Whoever I personally know do not like Win 8, and I had reverted more than 20 PC to people I know back to Win 7.

Consumers still don't know what a browser is, what a program is, or what program they use to get there email. Most of them don't know what pinning an app to the taskbar is, how to put their files into folders, or what a file is, they don't know ######.

Hopefully they have a competent computer guy that can set that all up for them on the new computer, because after MS put back booting to desktop by default, and the minimize and X buttons to close apps, most of my customers don't have anything bad to say about it all. All they know is they can click on that thing that gets them to email, and that other thing that gets them to Amazon and Google. Ah but they do still have trouble finding the print button on Metro apps and various other inconveniences.

The biggest pain point is the whole MS ID thing, and how it doesn't really match up to existing email addresses, and they don't understand what it means, or why they want or need it, the same as they don't know what the F iCloud is or how to use it. etc. etc.

This too will pass. Win 9 needs to address all the pain points, Win 8's reputation is already damaged beyond repair. As for going back to Win 7 from Win 8? You've got to be kidding me, that's like wanting your IDE hard disk back because your SSD was too complicated to deal with. Stop already with that. No sympathy here.

Most people do know what a browser is, most people can put files into a folder if they needed to. Not knowing where to print in metro is more a UI fault IMO than consumer ignorance. You paint a picture as if no one knows how to do anything these days whereas it is quite the opposite. We're in 2014 now, not 2002. The confusion with Windows 8 probably stems from its RT variant and modern apps. I honestly believe that confusion is justified, I like Windows 8, but I would never use any apps on it other than a few gaming ones - I'd just use the desktop programme.

And to be fair on consumers, I would wager that many technical experts are not happy with MS ID integration with the OS. I'd rather it wasn't. I don't like all my devices connected - if once gets lost or stolen, it becomes a greater hassle to sort out.

"It's not ready yet".... So it'll be an entirely new menu.


Jesus kids, why all the hate? What did you think was going to happen? Microsoft is moving new directions, the old Windows 7 menu was never coming back.

Dot Matrix said,
"It's not ready yet".... So it'll be an entirely new menu.


Jesus kids, why all the hate? What did you think was going to happen? Microsoft is moving new directions, the old Windows 7 menu was never coming back.

Probably because Microsoft said the Start Menu would return in a later Windows 8x update. However, according to this report, Microsoft has retracted and determined it will not return in a future update. They shouldn't have said it would be back in a future update if they couldn't deliver. It is like a company promises you something but later says you have to pay for it…yea why the hate?

Obviously...my comments are based on the reports and Microsoft hasn't made anything official.

Don't you ever tire of hating on others or stomping your feet up down yelling "Metro is here to stay" and "Start Menu is never coming back"?

jjkusaf said,

Don't you ever tire of hating on others or stomping your feet up down yelling "Metro is here to stay" and "Start Menu is never coming back"?

It needed repeated, since people here seem to think it's just magically going to go away, and Windows will revert to a Windows 7 like state.

Dot Matrix said,

It needed repeated, since people here seem to think it's just magically going to go away, and Windows will revert to a Windows 7 like state.

Well, you are not a very reliable source considering you said the start menu would never come back and you can currently bury metro away and never see it.

jjkusaf said,

Well, you are not a very reliable source considering you said the start menu would never come back and you can currently bury metro away and never see it.

Look closely, and realize that the old start menu is never coming back. The new one is completely Metro based. Chances are, Microsoft is still developing it for the new Metro UX.

jjkusaf said,
If you look closely you can see the option to "unpin from start" for each of the metro apps in the Start Menu. Ergo (of course the presentation does feature a finished product) it appears you can utilize the start menu in the same fashion as Windows 7.

Win win.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGf4ZScmxnY used as a reference.

Do you have access to the source code? There's more to the Start Menu than just the UI. How do you know it's finished?

Dot Matrix said,

It needed repeated, since people here seem to think it's just magically going to go away, and Windows will revert to a Windows 7 like state.


Personally I think that it will evolve and will have a very small resemblance with the origins concept. I do not care for names, I care for substance and Windows has been called as such since V1 but changed a lot since the good old days.

Dot Matrix said,

Do you have access to the source code? There's more to the Start Menu than just the UI. How do you know it's finished?

Should have read:

"of course the presentation doesn't feature a finished product"

jjkusaf said,

Well, you are not a very reliable source considering you said the start menu would never come back and you can currently bury metro away and never see it.

Yes you can, although that doesn't stop people from constantly griping about it.

No point in bringing the start button back to Windows 8.1, it got such a bad reputation that there's no fixing it. Like Vista SP2, it was rock solid but the name Vista was ruined.

I don't care about Win 8 or 8.1 anymore, after using it for around a year and fiddling around here and there, I simply reinstalled Win 7 on my Dell laptop. Gosh, Win 7 feels like breadth of fresh air. I had missed so much Aero and the system compatibility issues with Win 8 series. It feels like coming home. I still have Win 8.1 on my home computer and I am thinking to put back Win 7 on it as well. I wasted $15 in purchasing crap Win 8. If MS does not remove metro crap completely from desktop and bring back real start menu, which I know they won't, I will be sticking to Win 7 for a long time to come.

I'm sure that you'll get easily your $15 back for Win8 updgrade licence. Just sell it to some poor soul, you might even profit from it. :-P It wasn't a waste of money at all. My experience of Win7 and Win8 were the opposite to yours. I installed win7 on my 2nd SSD only to notice that I really don't want to go back that way. Everything is a tad better with Win8.1 (w. update 1).

Auditor said,
I don't care about Win 8 or 8.1 anymore, after using it for around a year and fiddling around here and there, I simply reinstalled Win 7 on my Dell laptop. Gosh, Win 7 feels like breadth of fresh air. I had missed so much Aero and the system compatibility issues with Win 8 series. It feels like coming home. I still have Win 8.1 on my home computer and I am thinking to put back Win 7 on it as well. I wasted $15 in purchasing crap Win 8. If MS does not remove metro crap completely from desktop and bring back real start menu, which I know they won't, I will be sticking to Win 7 for a long time to come.
Agree.

Sweet, once it returns, I wonder if wal-mart electronic employee's will stop telling customers not to buy computers there because windows 8 sucks.

Thought they were trying for a faster release cadence? Waiting until sometime in 2015 is a bit long. More goodwill could be had by releasing sooner and continually patching to improve performance in the future. It's not rocket science here, they have a start menu now that they could easily impliment in Win8. Come on MS, don't make us wait up to a year and a half for it.

Much ado about nothing! It's only a startmenu, nothing more. There are good alternatives already out there while we're waiting one from MS, such as Classic shell and Stardock's Start8 (and few others). Yes they are 3rd party apps, but aren't most of our daily apps anyway (Chrome, Thunderbird, LibreOffice, Ccleaner, Autocad, Matlab etc)?

And it's not like you're forced to use Windows 8 anyways. Windows 7 still is a solid OS for those who don't like Windows 8.

Myself along with millions and millions are enjoying Windows 7. Take your time Microsoft, we are still enjoying your best operating system to date.

I enjoyed W7 too, in its time, but I'm REALLY enjoying W8.1, probably because I have a touch screen and I took the time to learn it. The new generations (you know, the ones that will buy tablets and not PCs) will find it intuitive and natural to go from their smartphones to their tablets, and never use a mouse or keyboard again. That is the future, and MS is sitting pretty, albeit after a few growing pains, and likely a few more!

Gungel said,
Best for what purpose? IMO Windows 8.1 is much better in every possible way.

I agree. I use Windows 8.1 and would never go back to Windows 7. Metro is a non-factor as I have Metro apps uninstalled and stay on the Desktop 100% of the time.

Gungel said,
Best for what purpose? IMO Windows 8.1 is much better in every possible way.

Best for productivity purposes, people who do real productive works such as accounting and engineering. People looking device to watch you tube and do facebook, I think tablet should be more than enough for them. There is no significant advantage to move from Win 7 to Win 8 series. My laptop with SSD boot at same speed as Win 8 so boot time is no issue for me.

Auditor said,

Best for productivity purposes, people who do real productive works such as accounting and engineering. People looking device to watch you tube and do facebook, I think tablet should be more than enough for them. There is no significant advantage to move from Win 7 to Win 8 series. My laptop with SSD boot at same speed as Win 8 so boot time is no issue for me.

I do productivity work on Windows 8.1 all the time. Not sure why you seem to think all there is to Windows 8 is "watching YouTube and Facebook".

Edited by Dot Matrix, Jun 2 2014, 5:59pm :

Certainly not, Windows 8.1 offers many new productivity, security and storage features that are not available on Windows 7. If you're that concerned about productivity than you would know what I'm talking about.

So I guess all illustrations and Mobile games I work on in Win 8.1 is a lie, as well as everyone in the studio where I work, because according to you, professionals use Win7 only.

simrat said,
So I guess all illustrations and Mobile games I work on in Win 8.1 is a lie, as well as everyone in the studio where I work, because according to you, professionals use Win7 only.

I am sure you do all your productive work on Desktop and there is no big difference on Desktop from Win 7 to Win 8 beside some insignificant changes. There is no huge gain in term of productivity going from Win 7 to Win 8 so what is your point.

Of course we work on desktop, but like majority of people here say " Start screen decreases productivity", I disagree with that big time, Because been using Win 8 since day one here, not a single issue with productivity, rather I have noticed big improvements in applications and Overall OS performance.

Dot Matrix said,

You seem to think all you can do on Win8 is watch YouTube and browse Facebook.

Yep, if you are on Metro ,which was the special forced feed feature from MS Looser 8 OS, which fell flat on their face. If you are talking about Desktop on Win 8 then there is not huge performance difference between Win 8 and win 7 desktop.

Auditor said,

Yep, if you are on Metro ,which was the special forced feed feature from MS Looser 8 OS, which fell flat on their face. If you are talking about Desktop on Win 8 then there is not huge performance difference between Win 8 and win 7 desktop.

Good to know we can have an adult conversation. I guess that means I don't do work with OneNote? I guess that means I don't edit photos with Fhotoroom? And I guess that means Microsoft isn't working on bringing Office to Metro for increased productivity? Nope, not at all. Cool.

Edited by Dot Matrix, Jun 4 2014, 2:01am :

Dot Matrix said,

Good to know we can have an adult conversation. I guess that means I don't do work with OneNote? I guess that means I don't edit photos with Fhotoroom? And I guess that means Microsoft isn't working on bringing Office to Metro for increased productivity? Nope, not at all. Cool.

The whole productivity work does not start and end at office. Many people who even use this software suite use only 2% of its feature anyways. Metro is completely useless on Desktop and Laptop and sooner the MS understand this basic concept better it will be for them. It looks like they are having rude awakening but it is not enough. They need to throw down this metro garbage completely.

Auditor said,

The whole productivity work does not start and end at office. Many people who even use this software suite use only 2% of its feature anyways. Metro is completely useless on Desktop and Laptop and sooner the MS understand this basic concept better it will be for them. It looks like they are having rude awakening but it is not enough. They need to throw down this metro garbage completely.

Hahaha. Yeah. Ok.

Auditor said,

The whole productivity work does not start and end at office. Many people who even use this software suite use only 2% of its feature anyways. Metro is completely useless on Desktop and Laptop and sooner the MS understand this basic concept better it will be for them. It looks like they are having rude awakening but it is not enough. They need to throw down this metro garbage completely.

Unfortunately, for you Metro isn't going anywhere.

They're saving it because it's going to be the major selling point for Windows 9. That and their walled garden which nobody asked for.

If this is true and the start menu it's included on Windows 9 next year, Windows 8/8.1 will end and will be remembered as the 'second' Windows Vista...

Hmm, not smart to have let that cat out of the bag as a possible update to then hold it off until an update - I predict a great deal of negative press about this that could out-weigh the original buzz.

Interesting how most Neowinians are more interested in the menu. IMO Start Menu = meh - windowed modern-apps - yes please, asap!

Oh for the love of Christ.

Are MS actually setting out to become a joke on purpose?
I've seen nothing but backtracks, and u-turns, and laughable jokes, and disappointments from all corners of their company over the last 18 months, and it just gets worse and worse.
You can't help but wonder now with everything they come out with whether it's worth taking with a pinch of salt or not.
I'm actually starting to wonder if the much hyped "Windows 9" will be anything other than more misery for Windows users, or will actually be a game changer in it's own right.
Apple are starting to become more and more attractive every day.

Keep in mind, in recent year(s) or so, Microsoft as a company has been shifting internally.
This buttmunching left and right should be over soon enough if everything goes alright.

And for the first time in ~20 years, Microsoft is feeling the heat from other companies.

Absolutely, but it's unfortunate now that they've shifted from a company that I really got excited about new products and updates in the pipeline, to thinking "Oh God, what have they borked this time?"
I never thought I'd look at MS as the underdog chasing it's tail, but that's precisely how I see them now. A real shame.

Windows 9 it is...or 7, and that's the advise I'm going to continue giving to anyone that asks. Haven't had a SINGLE person tell me they liked W8, from family to clients, not a one. I'm tired of fielding calls and walking people through this clunky half baked vision, not to mention my own frustration with so many little annoyances.

There is absolutely no excuse for a company the size of MS with all it's resources to not have this in place right now, much less a year. Remarkable.

Hahaiah said,
Windows 9 it is...or 7, and that's the advise I'm going to continue giving to anyone that asks. Haven't had a SINGLE person tell me they liked W8, from family to clients, not a one. I'm tired of fielding calls and walking people through this clunky half baked vision, not to mention my own frustration with so many little annoyances.

There is absolutely no excuse for a company the size of MS with all it's resources to not have this in place right now, much less a year. Remarkable.

You don't want a half baked OS, yet want them to rush this out the door? Huh? In case you haven't noticed, this is an entirely new set of code. Not the old bits from XP. You can't just throw that into the OS, and expect it to work off the bat. If you read up on why the old Start Menu never made it into Windows 8 in the first place, you would know that "bringing it back" isn't that all an easy process.

Dot Matrix said,

You don't want a half baked OS, yet want them to rush this out the door? Huh? In case you haven't noticed, this is an entirely new set of code. Not the old bits from XP. You can't just throw that into the OS, and expect it to work off the bat. If you read up on why the old Start Menu never made it into Windows 8 in the first place, you would know that "bringing it back" isn't that all an easy process.

I am sure you are giving too much credit to MS than it is due. MS got the source code and lots of man power to fix this start menu mess. They can easily fix it in a month for sure. Lots of developers were able to come out with start menu clone without having any source code and there has been no compatibility issue or whatever. Win 8 was/is half baked OS which all fired MS executives decided to release even though they knew there will be backlash.

Auditor said,

I am sure you are giving too much credit to MS than it is due. MS got the source code and lots of man power to fix this start menu mess. They can easily fix it in a month for sure. Lots of developers were able to come out with start menu clone without having any source code and there has been no compatibility issue or whatever. Win 8 was/is half baked OS which all fired MS executives decided to release even though they knew there will be backlash.

And none of those clones integrate at all into Windows 8. Again, this isn't the old Start Menu, this is an entirely new set of code that needs to work with the new UX.

bigmehdi said,
There's still win 7, and it's still supported. There's no hurry to upgrade.
Support will only last a few years, windows 8 support date ends later. This is one of the bad things about buying pc's with windows 7 pre-installed.

Correct. I believe support ends in 2020. That gives MS plenty of time to come up with an OS that more closely aligns with Windows-7 users.

Yeah strange if this becomes a Windows 9 feature that you won't get a free upgrade......
The nerves of MS charging for their work, how dare they not give it out FOSS.

Shadowzz said,
Yeah strange if this becomes a Windows 9 feature that you won't get a free upgrade......
The nerves of MS charging for their work, how dare they not give it out FOSS.

While I always thought that it would have been part of W9 it is about consistency:
MS stated that it was coming as an update to W8 users.... simple as that.

Rather than delivering it as part of Update 2, it seems that the company has decided that it would make more sense to include it in the next major Windows release, codename 'Threshold'.

Ok. So. Rather than deliver it as a free update, they decided it would be better to charge for it. Unbelievable. Because people don't distrust and dislike Microsoft enough? Meh. Also 2015.... Really?

Considering how well windows 8 runs compared to Windows 7 and the less system requirements this is a shame.

With the metro being able to get forgotten and a start menu you might have seen more windows xp machines and business's swap to windows 8 instead of 7.

Oh well.

I agree i actually dislike the old start menu now, but speaking from a business point of view perhaps it would be cheaper not to "train" staff to get around not having it. Also the metro thing is kinda useless in most cases.

Most Business's only boot the PC up and load up a program to enter data in nothing else really. You get the odd e-mail checkers and stuff also but things like call centers metro has no use. (tbh the start menu doesn't also)

Probably marketing to be honest. Windows 8's reputation is so damaged by the media and consumer sentiment, that including such an important feature to recover a brands tarnished image would be counter productive. Especially when a major release is only 10 months away. This way 9 will come in with a bang and be touted as the next Windows 7. Consumers will eat it up.

shockz said,
Probably marketing to be honest. Windows 8's reputation is so damaged by the media and consumer sentiment, that including such an important feature to recover a brands tarnished image would be counter productive. Especially when a major release is only 10 months away. This way 9 will come in with a bang and be touted as the next Windows 7. Consumers will eat it up.

My sentiments exactly. This isn't about "making people pay for it" per se, but putting the feature in the next clearly distinctive version so there is no confusion.

Remember how they fixed almost all of vistas issue by sp2 but the damage to the name was already done. Same thing here.

Interesting hypothesis about Windows-9--provided that Windows-9 provides what business users have been asking for and needing, not what MS internal people say they need. Hint: the UI had best be customizable/selectable for the device on which the OS is being installed. One size never has and never will fit all.

TsarNikky said,
0Hint: the UI had best be customizable/selectable for the device on which the OS is being installed. One size never has and never will fit all.

Windowed Metro apps don't mean a thing to you? Sorry, but Metro isn't going away.

Customizable, yes, but it should not be determined by the device form factor. It should be based on user preference. There are dozens of threads I've seen of people complaining about the form-factor based defaults in Update 1, and about the Modern title bar.

Basing the UI on the device type rather than user choice will just lead to more of the same.

Metro doesn't have to go away. It does have its place on certain devices for a certain type of user. However, for those users (regardless of reason) for whom Metro does nothing or little for them, why does MS continue forcing it down their throats?

TsarNikky said,
Metro doesn't have to go away. It does have its place on certain devices for a certain type of user. However, for those users (regardless of reason) for whom Metro does nothing or little for them, why does MS continue forcing it down their throats?

Because that's how Windows has always been? Windows has always provided *ONE* UX. You didn't get to pick and choose the bits you wanted. The same holds true now with Metro. Microsoft is moving forward with the Metro branding, so Metro is what you get. Metro apps will be the default standard in the next few years as Universal Apps replace the old desktop apps.

Certain types of user? I'm an IT professional and power user, and I prefer Metro whenever possible, regardless of form factor. I prefer the clean interface, and vastly prefer the Screen over the menu.

Why should I be limited to just the desktop UI because I like a powerful stationary computer?

Why should those who accept or embrace Metro have to choose the Metro interface or a full-powered machine? Why should Metro be limited to "certain devices". and who decides which devices are appropriate?

Dot Matrix said,

Because that's how Windows has always been? Windows has always provided *ONE* UX. You didn't get to pick and choose the bits you wanted. The same holds true now with Metro. Microsoft is moving forward with the Metro branding, so Metro is what you get. Metro apps will be the default standard in the next few years as Universal Apps replace the old desktop apps.

Cough, cough... "Classic" or whatever was called that resembled Windows 2000 was available in XP.

Cosmocronos said,

Cough, cough... "Classic" or whatever was called that resembled Windows 2000 was available in XP.

It was still the same UX. Explorer, Start Menu, etc. The only thing that changed was the visual style.

I don't want it back either, but I see no reason to deny it to those that do.

I just want it to be optional if/when it does come back.

DConnell said,
I don't want it back either, but I see no reason to deny it to those that do.

I just want it to be optional if/when it does come back.

Thank you. I wish more people felt this way.

Don't be surprised if Windows 9 is an extremely low-cost update, if only just for them to put Windows 8 behind them as fast as possible.

I certainly wont mind a low cost OS upgrade. But a glorified Service Pack or "Refresh" for an OS I've already paid for will not be cool.

Other than the lack of choice of a Start Menu (not a Metro replacement, but the choice to use a Start Menu instead of) and a VASTLY improved search experience that doesnt need to rely on BING and Windows 8 would be perfect for me.

Oh and they need to fix the black text on dark color title bars.

TCLN Ryster said,
Don't be surprised if Windows 9 is an extremely low-cost update, if only just for them to put Windows 8 behind them as fast as possible.

Apple turning into Microsoft,
Microsoft turning into Apple

Noooooooooo

To be fair, it's such a complex system to get right. Microsoft has had quite few years on practicing on this particular feature.

Meh it's not like people are hard up for options, haven't used the default start menu since the 9x days, replaced them all, XP's especially.. rather they get it right than get it fast.

Mirosoft's own data on Vista/7 usage showed less than 5% actively used the start menu.
And most people that used the start menu did pretty much the following "Winkey+ no + enter" to open up notepad.

But once its removed, suddenly over 90% seem to actively use the start menu.

IF SO STOP DISABLING MICROSOFT FEEDBACK SERVICES.
I didn't and most features that came with Windows 8 are things I liked, because I am one of the (probably 3) people that ever left it enabled.

Disable it then be flabbergasted that Microsoft does not "listen" to you. Well herp derp.

If you don't call 911, dont blame the cops for not helping you.

*mumbles something about shooting yourself in the foot and blaming others

Shadowzz said,
But once its removed, suddenly over 90% seem to actively use the start menu.

Yup.. people like to exercise their right to bitch and moan. At least 8's actually usable, personally found XP's was the worst.. so much clicking, very inefficient. But again *shrug* there's been plenty of options for years, probably got more launcher options than any other OS, but people like to focus on that one thing and completely ignore all the good stuff the OS brings. Don't like it, replace it. It's really that easy.

Max Norris said,

Yup.. people like to exercise their right to bitch and moan. At least 8's actually usable, personally found XP's was the worst.. so much clicking, very inefficient. But again *shrug* there's been plenty of options for years, probably got more launcher options than any other OS, but people like to focus on that one thing and completely ignore all the good stuff the OS brings. Don't like it, replace it. It's really that easy.

Same. And I prefer clean designs with as little screen real estate wasting.
Putting things under hotcorners is great (if only the top left corner would include non-modern apps). I always had the taskbar hidden. And no more glass and rounded corners! Glad we left that behind.
But ah well, to each their owns. I'm not much on just bitching and moaning and more for (constructive) criticism :p

And I keep feedback enabled, and its obvious Microsoft listened. "I want an ISO mounter" here you go, "I want multi monitor taskbars" here you go. "I want a new start menu thats useful more then a fancy search box" here you go... etc etc

Shadowzz said,
I keep feedback enabled, and its obvious Microsoft listened. "I want an ISO mounter" here you go, "I want multi monitor taskbars" here you go. "I want a new start menu thats useful more then a fancy search box" here you go... etc etc

Media Center :'(
Those Win8 users who got the media center pack need to enable feedback.

Stoffel said,
Same here, no rush, I probably wouldn't even use it if it were there

And what makes you think that it will be as the old ones?

This video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUfMszCJSwI

and this one, starting at 0.28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEkIbUWzkLU

show something completely different, more similar to the original concept, not the poorly executed one we got in Vista, of the "Sidebar".

Btw the guy clearly mentions Windows Next as the OS where, possibly, these features will be implemented.

Cosmocronos said,

And what makes you think that it will be as the old ones?

This video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUfMszCJSwI

and this one, starting at 0.28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEkIbUWzkLU

show something completely different, more similar to the original concept, not the poorly executed one we got in Vista, of the "Sidebar".

Btw the guy clearly mentions Windows Next as the OS where, possibly, these features will be implemented.

Now this looks a lot better then what they were showing off at Build.
Thanks for the videos, that was some cool stuff they showed

Stoffel said,

Now this looks a lot better then what they were showing off at Build.
Thanks for the videos, that was some cool stuff they showed


You are welcome... And yes, it does look by far better, both in the implementation of the Live tiles concept and the Sidebar, of what we have had till now. IMO of course.

I don't agree with MSFT that "waiting" should be part of their vocabulary when it comes to any feature that makes windows 8 more suitable for the productivity masses. "waiting" is for companies that aren't dealing with a mess. "waiting" is for companies that don't need to fix something. "waiting" seems precisely the wrong approach.

Windows 8.1 u 1 has seen a much better adoption rate precisely because they did not wait to make these changes. u2 should go ahead as planned and deliver the win9 start menu. After all what is the best way to ensure win9 is awesome:

-release its features as part of updates for win8 so as to gather feedback and then ship a polished version of everything. Basically it is what win7 did: polish vista.

If "waiting" prevents the type of half-baked "fixes" we saw in 8.1u1, I'm all for it. An hour for the download and install of the update, and then I spent more time to undo most of the changes.

Update 1 feels like somebody asked an intern to "fix the problems" at 4:30 on a Friday. It feels rushed and doesn't even address the main issues. Frankly, it seems tailor-made to make sure the people who like the new UI are just as unhappy as the traditionalists.

Microsoft needs to take their time on this and get it right.

neonspark said,
I don't agree with MSFT that "waiting" should be part of their vocabulary when it comes to any feature that makes windows 8 more suitable for the productivity masses. "waiting" is for companies that aren't dealing with a mess. "waiting" is for companies that don't need to fix something. "waiting" seems precisely the wrong approach.

Windows 8.1 u 1 has seen a much better adoption rate precisely because they did not wait to make these changes. u2 should go ahead as planned and deliver the win9 start menu. After all what is the best way to ensure win9 is awesome:

-release its features as part of updates for win8 so as to gather feedback and then ship a polished version of everything. Basically it is what win7 did: polish vista.


Why is it whenever I see someone refer to Microsoft as "MSFT" (their stock abbreviation) it's always something whiny?

Oh please don't do that, Microsoft. I don't like the start screen, but please don't force people to revert back to the menu if they don't want to. Keep it optional!!

DConnell said,
Probably. Update 1 certainly went that direction.

You can turn off the changes they did with update 1 in 8.1 though. Sure they defaulted to them but it's not like the choice isn't there.

You can turn off most of them, not all. And the default of returning to desktop is harder to remove than it should be. I've seen literally dozens of threads on the MS community forums asking why their computers are no longer going back to the Start Screen.

Despite lots of research, I still have that title bar constantly getting in my way in Modern apps. That's the one "fix" that I can't remove.

I stand by my opinion that Update 1 is junk.

DConnell said,
You can turn off most of them, not all. And the default of returning to desktop is harder to remove than it should be. I've seen literally dozens of threads on the MS community forums asking why their computers are no longer going back to the Start Screen.

Despite lots of research, I still have that title bar constantly getting in my way in Modern apps. That's the one "fix" that I can't remove.

I stand by my opinion that Update 1 is junk.

*shrug*

Others love it now and say they'll finally use 8 and so on. If anything I hope 9 brings these settings up to the front and not hidden inside the taskbar properties and so on. Guess we'll have to wait and see, we don't know how correct, if at all, this report is from ZDNet.

Setnom said,
Oh please don't do that, Microsoft. I don't like the start screen, but please don't force people to revert back to the menu if they don't want to. Keep it optional!!

Agreed Microsoft. Keep the new modern app screen optional.
I, like many users, want choice.

DConnell said,
No rush, take your time, especially if the extra time means the menu is optional.
Microsoft already confirmed that the new start menu is optional.

This is terrible news, microsoft made said that it would appear in a future update, this made people think that it would be in windows 8.1 update 2 or windows 8.2. If people have to pay for windows 9 to get the start menu back then a lot of people will be mad.

It's never the same as having native support. Also, that preview looks very cool. Almost makes you wonder how they didn't think of this in the first place.

They never claimed it would be in a future update.

The moment this start menu thing was announced, was with BUILD. And afaik all they let out was "Its a work in progress and it MIGHT be in the next update".

So to start acting like MS promised it to us in Update 2 is silly.

Josh the Nerd said,
"and we'll be making this available to all Windows 8.1 users as an update."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGf4ZScmxnY

Exactly. Don't make such bold claims if you're not going to deliver. Of course people will complain when promised one thing and it turns out not to be the case. Not smart marketing/PR...

Grinch said,
People will get mad regardless of what they do.

People only get mad if someone lies and if the rumour is correct then Microsoft has lied. They clearly stated in the BUILD 2014 conference that it'll come in an update not an upgrade - an update implies a service pack aka Windows 8.1 not a paid for upgrade. Honestly, it seems as though Microsoft is unable to accept that they've angered a lot of customers but alas you've got executives who think that just by grinding it out that eventually customers will come around to their way of thinking - 'the correct way of thinking'. In all due respects someone needs to tell the executives within Microsoft who make such decisions that they're not Steve Jobs and they lack the RDF so why even try - be upfront, honest and deliver what people want in a timely manner.

Shadowzz said,
They never claimed it would be in a future update.

..snip..

So to start acting like MS promised it to us in Update 2 is silly.

They didn't promise that it would be in update 2 specifically, but they did (contrary to your declaration otherwise) say it was coming to Windows 8.1 users in a future update.

Microsoft promised that those features "will come to Windows 8.1 users in a free update", they never said anything about Windows 8.1 Update 2 or Windows 8.2. That "free update" might be Windows 9. You should be happy.

trojan_market said,
spend a few bucks and get a start8 if you like start menu right now.

People that actually paid money to get back Start menu functionality are the biggest saps of all.

Kaze23 said,

People that actually paid money to get back Start menu functionality are the biggest saps of all.


see I don't need start menu but I don't blame people who do. option is good, what Microsoft forgot to give at first place.

Studio384 said,
That "free update" might be Windows 9. You should be happy.

Since when do Microsoft make "major" upgrades (version changes) free?

Although, given the whole Windows 8/Metro debacle, its probably the least they could do for Windows 8 users.

dvb2000 said,

Since when do Microsoft make "major" upgrades (version changes) free?

Although, given the whole Windows 8/Metro debacle, its probably the least they could do for Windows 8 users.


XP SP2, Windows 8.1

Shadowzz said,

XP SP2, Windows 8.1

Where's the that announcement, I didn't know XP SP2 users were entitled to a free upgrade to Windows 8.1 ?

dvb2000 said,

Where's the that announcement, I didn't know XP SP2 users were entitled to a free upgrade to Windows 8.1 ?

He's saying XP SP2 was a major update that was free.

Kaze23 said,

He's saying XP SP2 was a major update that was free.

A major upgrade is a version change, not a service pack, or a "dot" increment.

dvb2000 said,

A major upgrade is a version change, not a service pack, or a "dot" increment.


Then go look into SP2's feature list. Its enough of a change that in 98 they actually made it a seperate OS called Win98SE.
In the 90s they would call it a new OS, but your standards somehow are different?

Keep in mind that "April 2015" date for Threshold is consistently mentioned as the developer preview date, implying that the consumer release won't be until the fall of 2015, or nearly a year and a half from now.