StatCounter: Windows 8 on 4.69 percent of PCs six months after launch

Six months ago today, Microsoft officially launched Windows 8 to the general public and today, Windows 8 is installed on ~4% percent of all PCs worldwide, according to new numbers from StatCounter.

The company's website, which takes its information based on a pool of three million websites it monitors, shows that for the last two weeks, Windows 8 was installed and used on 4.69 percent of all PCs worldwide. Windows 7, launched in 2009, has a 53.89 percent market share, according to StatCounter. Windows XP, launched in 2001, has a market share of 27.7 percent and Windows Vista, released in 2007, is still being used by 6.06 percent of all PCs.

Microsoft has been quiet about the sales status of Windows 8 lately. The company did not provide any new or updated information about Windows 8 PC sales or upgrades during its quarterly financial report earlier this month. The last official statement concerning Windows 8 sales came in early January, when Tami Reller, Microsoft's Windows Chief Marketing Officer and Chief Financial Officer, announced that it had sold 60 million licenses for Windows 8, combining upgrades and sales to OEMs for new devices.

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100 million Windows 7 licenses were sold after 6 months, 150 million after 8 months, 240 million after 12 months and 300 million after 15 months. It is almost spooky. Windows 7 sales may be declining just a tad from the 8 month mark, but it's not significant.

Windows Vista, in comparison, sold 128 million licenses in 9 months, or 12 months, if we include the 3-month Express Upgrade cycle that enabled Microsoft to make the 2006/2007 holiday season (Vista was officially released to retail in January 2007, but was available through a coupon beginning in October 2006). So, a fair comparison would be that Vista sold just over 10 million units per month in the first year. Microsoft then announced 180 million units in August 2008 or 19/22 months after launch, which dropped the average to about 8 million units per month: interestingly enough, that means that Windows 7 has outsold Vista already as Windows Vista sold 384 million licenses in a best case scenario (48 months * 8 million units) until it was discontinued in October of last year.

In its first year Microsoft sold about 88 million retail copies of Windows Vista and an additional 40 million licenses. According to Gartner, 271 million PCs were sold in 2007. Those 128 million Vista units closely compare to those shipments (yes, there are three months that don't match up, but I am not attempting to do a scientific study here, but it's close enough for the purpose of this article). So, in that situation, Microsoft shipped only 47 Vista licenses for each 100 PC sold and there is the clear indication that Windows 7 is vastly more successful than Vista - not just in absolute numbers, but in a market share view as well. We don't know how many Windows 7 and Vista licenses went into upgrades, but given the fact that Vista could not impact Windows XP's market share, I tend to believe that Vista completely failed in the upgrade market and a good portion of Windows 7 shipments are in the upgrade cycle as XP PCs get old (or really old) and are being replaced (and Vista PCs are upgraded).

Windows 8 sucks.

They've increased the speed of the killing of Aero. They could leave Aero for people who have powerful computers and a SSD instead of a simplified example to make aero matte style for those with slower machines, and a hdd and everyone would be happy.
Already, many wrote that they could make separate windows for their tablets and PC, but they just do not care for classic PC and spat in his face.
Not only that, there is no start menu, so there are no Aero, no way to disable the Metro for those to whom it is not necessary. There is no way to disable hot corners.
They let apps running in full screen mode only and no more windowed like before.
So even if they return the Start menu (which is unlikely) they will not refund Aero and will not give an option to disable the hot corners. Yet another disadvantage of this sludge - is the lack of classic games by default, I have to go into the store and download theirs ****ing card. Which are also not run in desktop mode.
Windows 8 = Not improved, it's Windows 7 that is brutally chopped and damaged Windows OS for housewives and tablets. Therefore, the less people will install this ****, the more it comes to Microsoft that they screwed up 8.1. The fact that the weather will not make it for sure, but maybe something will change in 9.

"Windows 8 on 4.69 percent of PCs six months after launch"

Perhaps a more interesting statistic would be the actual split between people buying new Windows 8 devices vs. those installing Windows 8 on existing devices.

Worthless stats. Microsoft could release an operating system that smells like dog sh@t, but guess what? It's the only damn operating in the store! No choice, numbers don't mean anything.

A much more realistic figure would be the % on tablets and the % on laptops/desktops. I bet the split would probably be 98% of the 4.69% figure is on tablets and 2% of the 4.69% figure on laptops/desktops.

Honestly this is precisely what I suspected.
I hate the start screen and also applications running full screen only is a bad move.

Most people don't like Windows 8 I think this will not change with windows 8.1 also.
We have switched back to Windows 7 that is by far the best OS for Desktop and Laptops.

Geezy said,
I seriously doubt Windows 8 has a higher install base than iOS...

Why? Every stat counter company will tell you the same.

If every iOS device ever sold was still in use today, sure, but their expected life is much much shorter. They get dropped and broken VERY frequently, worn out, and of course there is planned obsolescence.

I've never purchased a license without a machine, this time I bought 3 Pro licenses at the $14.99 rate, and 1 OEM license with a new system. So many of those are discount buys. But, while it's moving slow, If Blue delivers it's promised improvements and does something unthinkable - produces a Modern UI sync app (Zune-like) for WP8 and maybe even Surface, this will turn around fast. I would actually like to see the Modern UI work, it does have a LOT of potential once the UI is tweaked and real apps arrive.

i started building my own when Pentium 1/2's were cutting edge lol
i'd never consider buying a pre-made computer unless its a laptop of course.
no offense but i can't take advice from kids that use mom's Dell lol

Yeah, that's why percentage is increasing... So far windows 8 has only been a disaster for people who are SCARED of a start menu change. I would also say that it makes more sense to poeple using a touch screen. As far as I'm concerned the only true OS failures microsoft has had were Xenix, ME, and Vista. And looking back Vista was sort of a necessary stepping stone to make a leaner better Windows 7.

cigamrorrim said,
And looking back Vista was sort of a necessary stepping stone to make a leaner better Windows 7.
Couldn't you then say the same thing about Win 8? It being a necessary stepping stone to make a leaner, better Blue/9/future Windows versions?

cigamrorrim
Your deaf.. tons of you guys endlessly keep repeating the same crap even when you have been corrected a million times.
I'm not scared of a start menu change if i felt using Windows 8 was worth it i would use it and either use a 3rd party start menu or the Modern style menu BUT since there is SO MANY other things i hate with a passion about windows 8 i do not think MORE hacking of the OS to resemble Windows 7 is worth it. Instead of having to modify the OS to be like windows 7 i might as well just use windows 7. So once again i'm pointing out how you and others like you are forgetting there are MANY PROBLEMS with windows 8 AND NOT JUST A START MENU.. maybe you will remember if i put in caps ?
Start menu ? get over it ?
I couldn't agree more lol

Lets not turn on 8.1 - if MS soft themselves out then Im back with them, we all make mistakes. Im not happy that they made such a shallow error but at the same time they offer the best platfrom right now,

What ? They are selling Windows 2000 still ? I had no idea lol
You ma not have heard of it because most of the "experts" seem to only remember XP lol

After 1 year and a half in beta, and half a year in production it is almost 5%, the people did not like Vista and it took 5% if a short time.

Windows 8.1 will be a disaster too, it will be identical to Windows 8 but with a start button, no thank you

at this speed it will take Microsoft 10 years to slowly put back what the idiot Sinovsky took out

john.smith_2084 said,
After 1 year and a half in beta, and half a year in production it is almost 5%, the people did not like Vista and it took 5% if a short time.

Windows 8.1 will be a disaster too, it will be identical to Windows 8 but with a start button, no thank you

at this speed it will take Microsoft 10 years to slowly put back what the idiot Sinovsky took out

Lol. 10 years from now, we'll have completely different devices that won't use the traditional desktop. Why would they put back in what was taken out for that very purpose?

Dot Matrix said,

Lol. 10 years from now, we'll have completely different devices that won't use the traditional desktop. Why would they put back in what was taken out for that very purpose?

Well maybe in 10 years from now it will be time to upgrade from Win7.

Meanwhile there seems little point in spending any money on MS products that don't play as well as Win7 with the devices that billions of people are using today.

Dot Matrix said,

Lol. 10 years from now, we'll have completely different devices that won't use the traditional desktop.

Wow, you think 10 years are long time? you are young, it was just like a few years ago when I installed Windows NT 3.51

I am open for ideas, if there is something much better than the desktop, I will be supporting it right away, but a 24 inch calc full screen, that is a bit toooo much

For example, today Ubuntu released 13.04, I installed it, opened the file manager, was extra surprised, and deleted the Ubuntu Virtual Machine right away, they have a new idea there, the file manager must not display a folder tree and must not be possible even to show it, no thank you, that is not a step forward that is backwards, the same is with Windows Full Screen Apps like Calc, that is 10 step backwards

john.smith_2084 said,

Wow, you think 10 years are long time? you are young, it was just like a few years ago when I installed Windows NT 3.51

I am open for ideas, if there is something much better than the desktop, I will be supporting it right away, but a 24 inch calc full screen, that is a bit toooo much

For example, today Ubuntu released 13.04, I installed it, opened the file manager, was extra surprised, and deleted the Ubuntu Virtual Machine right away, they have a new idea there, the file manager must not display a folder tree and must not be possible even to show it, no thank you, that is not a step forward that is backwards, the same is with Windows Full Screen Apps like Calc, that is 10 step backwards

Just think about it. 2001 gave us XP. Six years later we were using the iPhone, eight years later an we were using iPads.

Ten years from now, we'll be using devices that we can't even imagine right now. Devices that will NOT be including the 90's mouse-only desktop paradigm.

I'll quote myself: "Creat a Menu Bar directed to:

C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

Get over it, all your legacy programs straight from the desktop almost as the Start Button!"

Dot Matrix said,

Ten years from now, we'll be using devices that we can't even imagine right now. Devices that will NOT be including the 90's mouse-only desktop paradigm.

Maybe maybe maybe, but it would be sensible in the meantime to produce an OS that works with today's devices?

If we "can't even imagine" the future, it seems idiotic to produce an OS that MAY work with these speculative devices but is rubbish with the devices that billions of people actually use now. Stop crystal-ball-gazing and get real.

Dot Matrix said,
Lol. 10 years from now, we'll have completely different devices that won't use the traditional desktop. Why would they put back in what was taken out for that very purpose?
Some things won't change. Vertical screen, mouse and keyboard were tailored to our body parts and won't change unless we evolve different hands, eyes or heads. Mouse allows pixel precision and hand resting, keyboard's soft and curved buttons are perfect for fingertips and proper position of vertical screen won't strain your eyes and neck.

Actually, I think that touch screens have no future. There is only one way where displays can go before we could pass information straight to the brain - Light RGBA 3D glasses with some mechanism to retract them away from our field of view:

a) Requires minimum amount of build material.
b) Allows full 3D vision.
c) Allows full immersion because of the head tracking.
d) Can be extremely ergonomic for eyes and neck.
e) RGBA allows to "insert" virtual objects into real world.

There is no need for touch ATM's or Phones when everything can be virtualized in front of you. Touch screen approach won't work for 3D glasses. I can just guess, that hand gestures will be most popular thing with some dot marks on your fingernails for pixel precision tracking. Probably, mouse, keyboards, game controllers and compact wireless multi touch panels (because packed train with all people waving their hands in front of them would be too funny ) will be used, because of their perfect fit and applicability.

Dot Matrix said,

Just think about it. 2001 gave us XP. Six years later we were using the iPhone, eight years later an we were using iPads.
Ten years from now, we'll be using devices that we can't even imagine right now. Devices that will NOT be including the 90's mouse-only desktop paradigm.

XP was 12 years ago, the mouse and keyboard are still with us, and XP has a much bigger market share than Win8 today. Just think about that.
Trying to foresee change is doomed to failure. And it's irrelevant to the market today.

gb8080 said,

XP was 12 years ago, the mouse and keyboard are still with us, and XP has a much bigger market share than Win8 today. Just think about that.
Trying to foresee change is doomed to failure. And it's irrelevant to the market today.

Fine, then stick with XP then. The rest of us will be waiting for you in the future.

Dot Matrix said,

Fine, then stick with XP then. The rest of us will be waiting for you in the future.

(To quote Nathan Lineback) I hate to burst your bubble, but touch is not new.

Dot Matrix said,

Fine, then stick with XP then. The rest of us will be waiting for you in the future.

Don't be silly, I've been an early adopter of every version of Windows since 3.0 (and a tech beta tester of many), until 8. But now I'm sticking with 7: 8 would be a downgrade.
The fact that significant numbers are sticking with what they have is very on-topic here - see the graph. Unless it meets real customer needs, Microsoft itself may not have a future.

You can't compare market share #'s unless you know the totals as well. There are more computers today than there were when W7 came out, so 5% market share this year != 5% market share 3 years ago.

notchinese said,
You can't compare market share #'s unless you know the totals as well. There are more computers today than there were when W7 came out, so 5% market share this year != 5% market share 3 years ago.

Don't bring reason and common sense in to a topic about Windows 8.

ozzy76 said,
Wouldn't that logic also apply to Win 7 and its market share?

5% of installed base in 2013 > 5% in 2009 > 5% in 2007 > 5% in 2001

Yeah, the same logic applies to Windows 7, but that's not an argument against... it's simple mathematics.

Oh FFS, Win 7 was a leap forward in the desktop and file maintenance environment - Win 8 just threw it all away and tried to be a tablet. Windows is a great OS because it taps into your system, not just your stupid basic phone or tablet device that is used on the way to work. I hate that MS is so stupid that they pursued a tablet interface, I also hope they are beaten by another competitor that caters for our needs. If MS makes a better and more power desktop OS in Win 9 then they have my custom, else its Android or Apple (eww) because they at least know their market. I hate MS so much right now for not realising what they had when they got us all back with Win 7.

Why are you complaining?????

The same exact file system is in Windows 8's Desktop UI. Windows 8 now even has the shortcut CTRL+L to have quick access to the location bar. Before it was just ALT+D which never seemed to make sense for me (though it was also supported in every browser). ALT+LEFT/RIGHT to go back or forward a folder, finally matching IE. AND typing up a location in Windows Explorer remembers by default which is extremely useful for saving me time when I don't want a shortcut for an app/folder. Maybe I'm one of very few people who find this useful, but you're complaining about Win8's file interface and believe me when I say I rely on it a lot. These changes are sooo useful for me, it's remarkable how specific these changes seemed to be.

But, the file copying interface is unbelievable, no??

EDIT: The excessive question marks I like to add for fun????? More question marks go here?????????????? Yeah me being random?????????

If MS makes a better and more power desktop OS in Win 9 then they have my custom, else its Android or Apple

Let's see... you want improvements to the desktop so you're going to go with Android, and entirely touch based OS for phones and tablets; or Apple... I'm assuming OSX? I'm not sure if you looked at OSX recently, but the only notable improvements its gotten over the past couple years have been ported straight from iOS.

I think this is a very respectable marketshare. Windows 7 grew much quicker but then again W7 was received as a blessing after Vista. Word of mouth generated quick adoption.

Whereas Windows 8 is released at a time where the PC market is shrinking. It's also build for tablet firsts so a lot of PC users are unhappy with how it currently functions on desktops. And on tablets Windows 8 stil has to make a name for itself. Also those on tablets are not usising the browser as often as on PCs. So Windows 8 could be bigger then these figures point out.

All in all I think this shows a nice growth so far. Hopefully Blue will make W8 also easier to use for non-touch PCs. Stuff like putting the hidden UI elements on screen for those with a large enough screen for it.

so it is already bigger than iOS, and android doesn't even register as its user base can't even browse the web without crashing....

Market share figures are interesting but hard to evaluate - what to compare them with?
Mindshare figures are also interesting and finding benchmarks is easier.

Compare the customer reviews at Amazon for comparable versions of Win7 and Win8 (oem packs):
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-...it/dp/B0094NY3R0/ref=sr_1_1
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-...er/dp/B004Q0PT3I/ref=sr_1_7

Windows 7 gets 4.2 out of 5 stars (467 reviews).
Windows 8 gets 2.7 out of 5 stars (287 reviews, many very hostile).

Not entirely scientific but a reasonable indication of customer (dis)satisfaction for each version. Many people who used to upgrade regularly just aren't going to bother => MS revenue suffers.

Blue is going to have to make some very significant changes to catch up with Win7, and on present showing the changes are not going to be enough.

Gdgt.com:
Windows 7: 8.3 out of 10 from consumers with 665 reviews
Windows 8: 7.8 out of 10 from consumers with 195 reviews

It's a controversial operating system since it's a huge shift. Just like Vista, Microsoft will listen to feedback and improve. Luckily they're improving the OS in faster iterations than every 3 years.

Ed Bott already did this analysis in a much more thorough version than you have presented above:

http://www.zdnet.com/just-how-...-hate-windows-8-7000013319/

He considered an n much higher than yours, which only includes the system builder reviews. His analysis shows people are pretty much divided on the OS, with 50% giving a positve review, 40% giving a negative review, and 10% indifferent. This is much better than Vista fared, with 50% giving a negative review for that OS.

ModernMech said,
Ed Bott already did this analysis in a much more thorough version than you have presented above:

Thanks, wasn't aware of that. Interesting.
I didn't claim too much science, just a snapshot. I took the system builder figures because they were the ones that came up at the top of Amazon search; the trend seemed similar for other flavours.
Vista on Amazon gets 4.0, easily beating Win8's 2.7 !!

gb8080 said,

Thanks, wasn't aware of that. Interesting.
I didn't claim too much science, just a snapshot. I took the system builder figures because they were the ones that came up at the top of Amazon search; the trend seemed similar for other flavours.
Vista on Amazon gets 4.0, easily beating Win8's 2.7 !!

I never liked Ed Bott's "Just how much do people hate Windows 8?" article.
I believe it failed to take certain factors into account, such as...

- Reviews created by users who did not know how to use the software.
- Reviews created by individuals who never used the operating system, which were designed to make the product look bad.
- Reviews which had nothing to do with the software, but were based solely on the customer supposedly receiving pirated material.

I think ms has many reasons to be proud of what they've done in the past few years. And running constant growth in all of their investments of business and recording record revenue, I don't believe they feel much embarrassed about much.

Avi Patel said,
I don't believe they feel much embarrassed about much.

Indeed. it's hard to imagine that Ballmer could feel embarrassed about anything...

CSharp. said,

Indeed. it's hard to imagine that Ballmer could feel embarrassed about anything...

I wouldn't put too much into what Order writes. He told us that Mac and ChromeBook were outselling computers with Windows on them - something that we have absolute proof is not happening.

SoylentG said,

I wouldn't put too much into what Order writes. He told us that Mac and ChromeBook were outselling computers with Windows on them - something that we have absolute proof is not happening.

Oh snap he wasn't being sarcastic? I was about to like his comment because I thought he was making a joke.

SoylentG said,

I wouldn't put too much into what Order writes. He told us that Mac and ChromeBook were outselling computers with Windows on them - something that we have absolute proof is not happening.

I have never made that claim, you are twisting my words to suite your own dishonesty.
I said at my place of employment, and compared to the amount of macs we used to sell, the macs are flying off the shelves in comparison to machines with windows 8 on them, still true to this day.

Get it right.

SoylentG said,

I wouldn't put too much into what Order writes. He told us that Mac and ChromeBook were outselling computers with Windows on them - something that we have absolute proof is not happening.

Order_66 likes to live in 2006 and 2009 and will only talk about relative rates of growth compared across 7 and 4 year spans.

He refuses to consider, for instance, that in 2012 Windows 7 was growing at the same exact rate as Windows 8 is growing now according to Stat Counter.

He also refuses to recognize that the market is about 1 billion computers larger than in 2009, and over 2 billion PCs larger than in 2006, and also includes devices like Android and Apple tablets. This makes comparing percentages in different times very deceptive.

The only embarrassment one can find from these numbers is that despite being the supposedly most hated Windows OS ever, it is the fasted growing OS on the planet. What's embarrassing is that even being on the market for 3 years, iOS was surpassed by Windows 8 in 5 months. What's embarrassing is that even being on the market for over a decasde, OSX will be surpassed by Windows 8 inevitably in the coming months. *That's* what's embarrassing.

Pluto is a Planet said,

Oh snap he wasn't being sarcastic? I was about to like his comment because I thought he was making a joke.

He was being quite serious. I remember him once saying that he sells computers, and was selling as many Macs as he could get, but had not sold any Win8 computers.

Still waiting on an official update from MS. Not sure why they have been so quiet about it lately. And if Blue is as good as the rumors say its going to be, (especially with boot to desktop/start button)...sales should take off after its release.

Google just released their financials, and yet did not give us a breakdown of ChromeBook sales. What are they hiding and why are you not questioning them?

Apple just released their financials, and yet did not give us a breakdown of iPad vs. iPad Mini or iPad 16GB vs 32GB vs 64GB vs 128GB sales. What are they hiding and why are you not questioning them?


Edit: I didn't write anything here that hurt your feelings, did I? I just want to make sure I don't upset you.

Edited by SoylentG, Apr 26 2013, 6:01pm :

SoylentG said,
Google just released their financials, and yet did not give us a breakdown of ChromeBook sales. What are they hiding and why are you not questioning them?

I dont comment on every post here, but I have always said I dont like predictions from analyst no matter what product they are commenting about. I figured this statement alone shows that I have the same opinion towards other products. But apparently I need to publicly state each individual product.

But this isnt about Chromebooks or iOS. Stay on topic.

Thanks

Edited by techbeck, Apr 26 2013, 7:21pm :

SoylentG said,
Google just released their financials, and yet did not give us a breakdown of ChromeBook sales. What are they hiding and why are you not questioning them?

Apple just released their financials, and yet did not give us a breakdown of iPad vs. iPad Mini or iPad 16GB vs 32GB vs 64GB vs 128GB sales. What are they hiding and why are you not questioning them?


Edit: I didn't write anything here that hurt your feelings, did I? I just want to make sure I don't upset you.


Interesting, but not surprising, that in your cahiers de doléances you forgot to mention MS not talking, for example, about WP licenses.....

techbeck said,

I dont comment on every post here, but I have always said I dont like predictions from analyst no matter what product they are commenting about. I figured this statement alone shows that I have the same opinion towards other products. But apparently I need to publicly state each individual product.

You don't comment on every post? I call BS on that one.


Additionally, I was replying to a specific point in the OP that MS has been quiet about numbers lately and said I am not sure why MS has been quiet. Not sure how that statement is questioning MS or anything they are doing. Apple and Google have been much more vocal about their numbers lately.

Really, you are not sure why MS has been quiet? Let's just put it out there, you believe that Win8 sales are poor and MS is trying to sweep it under the rug. Google has been vocal about their numbers? Again, I ask for where Google has stated the exact number of ChromeBooks sold. I will even take a hand-wave number from them, but we will not see it. Apple loves to talk about their numbers, we cannot have any public appearance of Jobs/Cook where they are not putting up a list of numbers to show how well they are supposed to be doing. And yet, where are the numbers detailing the split of iPad/iPad Mini? The issue is that any mention of Win8 and you are here demanding Microsoft release the exact numbers. And yet, not a peep when it is about Apple/Google, and in your comment you are defending them for it, claiming they are very vocal when they have not been.


But this isnt about Chromebooks or iOS. Stay on topic.

Thanks

The article says nothing about Blue, and yet you talk about it. Is this just another case of do as I say, not as I do?

SoylentG said,

You don't comment on every post? I call BS on that one.

Please prove it or else stop commenting.


The article says nothing about Blue, and yet you talk about it. Is this just another case of do as I say, not as I do?

Blue is pretty much Windows 8...and the article is talking about Windows 8

It is apparent you just like to nit pick on everything I say and to start arguments...not to mention you have no clue on the many past comments I have made of the years. And reply only/mostly to what I comment on while many others make the same comments and you ignore them. If that is the case, I really have nothing more to say to you or future replies.

Have a good day/weekend.

Edited by techbeck, Apr 26 2013, 7:22pm :

techbeck said,

Please prove it or else stop commenting.


One thing we are guaranteed of around here, if there is an article there will be a list of comments from you.



Blue is pretty much Windows 8...and the article is talking about Windows 8

A product that you, nor I, have used, that has not been announced, has not had the features detailed, and, as with previous versions of Windows where big features were not shown off until the last minute, but you are qualified to tell us they are the same thing. Tell us, what other tidbits of information do you have to share if you know it so well?


It is apparent you just like to nit pick on everything I say and to start arguments...not to mention you have no clue on the many past comments I have made of the years. And reply only/mostly to what I comment on while many others make the same comments and you ignore them.

You demand that Microsoft give you a detailed list of sales numbers, and claim they have something to hide if they do not cater to your demands. You claim that Microsoft is playing dirty for simply working on an app that if people may be thinking of switching to a WP, they can see what apps will be available, and it is up to them to prove that they are not playing "dirty" for the standards you set, while excusing Apple and Google for doing the same thing, even worse. And I believe you were lamenting the use of ads in some Microsoft free apps, complained when they offered paid versions that turned off ads, all while saying it was perfectly fine for Google to force feed us ads that have completely destroyed any personal privacy because Google needs to make a buck. But I am the one that nit picks, and tries to start arguments?


If that is the case, I really have nothing more to say to you or future replies.

Have a good day/weekend.


We have heard that promise before, just yesterday if I recall. And that is the problem, you say whatever you like, and when somebody challenges you on it, you complain that I am picking on just you. When I open a page and see your avatar over, and over, and over, and... then you are going to get the most challenges when I don't agree with you.

SoylentG said,

Edit: I didn't write anything here that hurt your feelings, did I? I just want to make sure I don't upset you.

If there's doubt in anyone's mind about you just being out for a troll, this statement should remove all of that.

Google just released their financials, and yet did not give us a breakdown of ChromeBook sales. What are they hiding and why are you not questioning them?

Microsoft didn't give us a breakdown of XBox sales. How many 250GB Kinect bundles did they sell last quarter? Why are you not questioning them?

See, the problem with your crusade against hypocrisy is that you don't practice what you preach. You demand that Apple tells you how many WiFi iPad minis with 16 GB have been sold, but not a peep from you when Microsoft doesn't say how many Surface RTs it has sold. In fact, when they are asked they decline to say. Google and Apple are not afraid to tell you how well their platforms are doing, so why is Microsoft? Yeah, they tell us how many apps are in their store, and they release initial sales information when they look good, but that's about it You're right on Chromebooks, though. I'll give you that, but that's the only leg you have to stand on.

I don't care either way because the amount of devices sold doesn't keep me up at night. I just chug along with my Yoga 13.

The article says nothing about Blue, and yet you talk about it. Is this just another case of do as I say, not as I do?

So? There was an article about Apple's financials last quarter that made no mention of Microsoft, and the first comment to that article was you defending Microsoft. In another article, someone pointed out that Chromebook had kiosk mode before Windows 8, and you told them that the Chromebook was never mentioned in the article and to basically stay on topic.

A product that you, nor I, have used, that has not been announced, has not had the features detailed, and, as with previous versions of Windows where big features were not shown off until the last minute, but you are qualified to tell us they are the same thing. Tell us, what other tidbits of information do you have to share if you know it so well?

Is Windows Blue (8.1) not a new version of Windows 8 partly released to address the concerns and complaints of customers? If Windows Blue is not Windows 8 then what is it?

Also, Windows Blue has been acknowledged by Microsoft, and builds of it have leaked that have confirmed rumored features, while exposing new ones. You can try it out if you know where to get it.

We have heard that promise before, just yesterday if I recall. And that is the problem, you say whatever you like, and when somebody challenges you on it, you complain that I am picking on just you.

I'm sorry, I wouldn't call browbeating, arguing the hypocrisy of a strawman while being a hypocrite yourself, splitting hairs, semantics, making a mountain out of a mole hill challenging someone.

I dont understand the stats these days.. why do they include iOS but not Android.. even if they are only including tablets.. Android recently sold 40% of all the tablets out there.. It feels to me like they dont know what products to compare..

I personally feel that iOS should not be in there because a study showed that ~90% of people with ipad aslo have a computer.. IMO if they include the iPad then they should include the xbox 360 because they are both for consuming ..

Creat a Menu Bar and directed to:

C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

Get over it, all your legacy programs straight from the desktop task bar!

So, for this to have any relevance, we need to know in how many PC's Windows 7 was installed in about the same period of time since it launched.

Seketh said,
So, for this to have any relevance, we need to know in how many PC's Windows 7 was installed in about the same period of time since it launched.

http://www.neowin.net/news/win...ee-months-after-its-release just found this for reference.. windows 7 had 10 percent at 3 months..

but if you think about it.. windows 7 only was competing vs windows xp which was 8 years old at the time of windows 7 release.. where as windows 8 is competing against windows 7 which was 3 years old.. Also, in the last 3 years there are alot more computers released then in 2009 so it was easier to gain market share back then

Seketh said,
So, for this to have any relevance, we need to know in how many PC's Windows 7 was installed in about the same period of time since it launched.

Which wouldn't be a particularly sophisticated comparison.

a) Windows 7 users were primarily upgrading from Vista (which was less well regarded) and from XP (which was getting very old).

b) As Windows 7 take up was huge as a result (it was an excellent OS), by default Windows 8 take up will be slower.

c) Windows 7 was very much a desktop OS. Windows 8 is far broader in scope.

What you actually see looking at the data is that XP is losing users while Win 8 gains. The other OSes stay reasonably stable, including Windows 7.

Yeah, it's pretty obvious that Windows 8's growth is much slower than 7, probably why Microsoft is reluctant to talk about numbers. Still it is amazing just how a version of Windows, even one widely unloved like 8 takes over everything else with ease.

AWKM said,

What you actually see looking at the data is that XP is losing users while Win 8 gains. The other OSes stay reasonably stable, including Windows 7.

I am betting Win7 market share will increase more when XP support ends completely. I know many companies are planning Win7 upgrade and are skipping Win8.

heatlesssun said,
Still it is amazing just how a version of Windows, even one widely unloved like 8 takes over everything else with ease.
MS could practically release anything for an OS and it'd be at 5% after 6 months. It helps when the vast, vast majority of computers that ship these days have an OS installed and that OS is Windows.

techbeck said,

I am betting Win7 market share will increase more when XP support ends completely. I know many companies are planning Win7 upgrade and are skipping Win8.

Quite possibly. If you're Microsoft this isn't really a bad position is it?

It's a matter of which of your OS'es the customer chooses rather than picking between you and someone else entirely.

Win win really.

Windows 8 had 2.15 percent of the market on 12/28, around the time Microsoft was saying they sold 60 million licenses. Now they have 4.69 percent. Therefore, if 2.15 represented 60 million, then 4.69 represents about 2.2 times that amount--so a total of about 130 million. It's not exact, of course... but it makes sense.

Furthermore, the rate of Windows 8 uptake has been accelerating. In January, it gained 0.36 market share. In February... 0.52. And in March... 1.09.

It's unclear how much it has gained in April because StatCounter adjusted their methodology at the beginning of the month... which deducted pts from every OS except Windows 7 (which got a boost). Also because the month isn't over yet.

What's also interesting is that, if the 7.5% Windows market share for tablets is correct (as is being reported), then Windows 8 tablets are actually catching on almost twice as fast as the OS on desktops... which makes sense.

Note: I got my numbers from here (click on the "Download Data" link to get a detailed spreadsheet of the chart):
http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-daily-20121022-20130426

Edited by cybersaurusrex, Apr 26 2013, 6:50pm :

Lachlan said,

but if you think about it.. windows 7 only was competing vs windows xp which was 8 years old at the time of windows 7 release.. where as windows 8 is competing against windows 7 which was 3 years old..

You forgot Vista..... Speaking totally off the topic, I didn't find anything in Vista which can result in it being an epic fail..

bmthetechfan said,

You forgot Vista..... Speaking totally off the topic, I didn't find anything in Vista which can result in it being an epic fail..

Sure it got a lot better as time went by. When it first came out I remember it being particularly resource heavy and needing a powerful PC by the standards of the day.

Another advantage of Windows 8 (and 7) are their ability to run on "older" hardware by modern standards. For example I run Windows 8 on a PC from 2006 with no issues whatsoever.

AWKM said,

Quite possibly. If you're Microsoft this isn't really a bad position is it?

It's a matter of which of your OS'es the customer chooses rather than picking between you and someone else entirely.

Win win really.

I agree. Just think that Win7 is going to be the new XP in terms of how long people use it. Unless Blue switches things up, which I hope it does. I use Win8 currently at work 1/2 the time and Win the other and like I said below, if Blue fixes/addresses some of the issues I have with Win8, I will probably then go ahead and upgrade at home as well.

Avatar Roku said,
I'm confused by the iOS numbers here, so Windows 8 has more users than iOS after just a few months?

Isn' t this,be same in the last few decades? It does not seem new, less than ever confusing to me.
The fact is when a company control the majority of the market, such company basically competes with itself.
What I find astonishing is the XP market share though.

AWKM said,

Which wouldn't be a particularly sophisticated comparison.

a) Windows 7 users were primarily upgrading from Vista (which was less well regarded) and from XP (which was getting very old).

b) As Windows 7 take up was huge as a result (it was an excellent OS), by default Windows 8 take up will be slower.

c) Windows 7 was very much a desktop OS. Windows 8 is far broader in scope.

What you actually see looking at the data is that XP is losing users while Win 8 gains. The other OSes stay reasonably stable, including Windows 7.

7 vs 8 cost ?
you side stepped that issue

spoetnik said,

7 vs 8 cost ?
you side stepped that issue

Well I got 7 for free and 8 cost $60. Everyone likely pays differently depending on how they get the licence and what country they are in.