Steve Jobs comments on Flash, Google, Microsoft and lost iPhone at D8

Steve Jobs spoke at the annual All Things Digital conference last night, where he was questioned about the lost iPhone prototype and the lack of Flash on the iPhone and iPad.

Jobs explained the facts of the lost iPhone prototype as best he could. "To make a wireless product work well you have to test it. One of our employees was carrying one, there's a debate as to whether it was left in a bar or stolen out of his bag. The person who ended up with the phone decided they would try and sell it to somebody so they called Engadget and Gizmodo," said Jobs. He confirmed that a room-mate of the individual who found the lost prototype called the police who started an investigation. "It's got theft, it's got buying stolen property, it's got extortion, I'm sure there is sex in there somewhere", he added to huge laughter and applause from the audience.

Jobs also said he had received a lot of advice from people telling him to simply let the Gizmodo story slide. Jobs wasn't happy to simply let it slide. "If we change our core values and start letting it slide. I can't do that, I'd rather quit," he said.

Jobs was also questioned on the debate over Flash on the iPhone and iPad. "Flash looks like a technology that had its day but is really waning. HTML5 looks like the technology that's really on the ascendency right now. We didn't start off to have a war with Flash or anything else we just made a technical decision that we weren't gonna put the energy into getting flash on our platform. We told Adobe if you ever have this thing running fast come back and show us, which they never did, but we think we're not gonna use it and that was it", said Jobs. He also said he was tired of Apple getting trashed in the press and decided to pen his "Thoughts on Flash" open letter.

Questioning moved onto Apple's relationship with Google and Microsoft. "They (Google) decided to compete with us, so they are. Right now, if you look at the smartphone market share Nokia is still number one, RIM is number two, we're number three, Google is number four and others number five. We definitely compete with each other, we have some Google properties on our phone. Just because we're competing with someone doesn't mean we have to be rude" when asked whether Apple will remove Google services from the iPhone. Jobs was also asked about his thoughts on Apple surpassing Microsoft's market cap last week, "for those of us that have been in the industry a long time it's surreal, but it doesn't matter very much." He also stated that Apple never saw itself in a platform war with Microsoft and "maybe that's why we lost".

Jobs said he was also "all for" anything to help out big publishers like the Wall Street Journal and New York Times. Jobs also said he is trying to push the publishers to drive down the cost of digital content and "go for volume" to make the digital versions profitable. "One of my beliefs very strongly is that any democracy depends on a free healthy press. I don't want to see us decend into a nation of bloggers myself. I think we need editorial more than ever right now."

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"we just made a technical decision that we weren't gonna put the energy into getting flash on our platform." ???

so even when adobe did all the work, you still band it?
I smell BS.

"One of my beliefs very strongly is that any democracy depends on a free healthy press. I don't want to see us decend into a nation of bloggers myself. I think we need editorial more than ever right now."

I don't really like Mr. Jobs all that much, but I must say I wholeheartedly agree with this.

Thats the first thing I thought when i saw him. The guy is worth billions and he is walking around with a pair of dunlop volleys and 5 dollar jeans.

What is it with him and Bill Gates - please, get a stylist or someone to pick out clothes for you, you have NO dress sense!

bbfc_uk said,
What is it with him and Bill Gates - please, get a stylist or someone to pick out clothes for you, you have NO dress sense!

I'm pretty sure when you make that much money you could really care less what other people think of you, lol.

CoMMo said,

I'm pretty sure when you make that much money you could really care less what other people think of you, lol.

Its no excuse to look that bad!

You guys are brutal. Yeah he looks sick, and I hate Apple, but I wish him the best. Looks like he's going to do what he loves to do right up until the end. It's all any of us would do in the same situation. Good luck Steve.
jf

His comments on Flash are getting as old and tiring as the old PC/Mac commercials. Flash isn't going away anytime soon, he needs to accept that and move on with his life and find something else to B&M over.

Regardless of his comments, the arrogance of thoughtlessly cutting off flash without attempting any transition/hybrid schemes to a new technology is typically Apple. I am not an Apple product buyer, so I am not affected at all by this. What's done is done and we will have to see how things unfold in the market.

Yup, though Apple will say that technology X was dying and replacing it with technology Y is something everyone should have seen coming.

"we'll listen to the market..." Uh.....I'm pretty sure "the market" is extremely vocal about wanting Flash. Steve you sir, are full of BS.

nekkidtruth said,
"we'll listen to the market..." Uh.....I'm pretty sure "the market" is extremely vocal about wanting Flash. Steve you sir, are full of BS.
"Listening to the market" means seeing whether people buy it.

..and people are buying it.

Beaux said,
"Listening to the market" means seeing whether people buy it.

..and people are buying it.

Yes people are buying it, that is true. It has the Apple logo on it. Its just later on the always gullible (less-tech-savy) Apple buyers realize YouTube doesn't work as well as a lot of other flash content sites.

Beaux said,
"Listening to the market" means seeing whether people buy it.

..and people are buying it.

The only "people" I care about are myself and my friends/family. I can tell you right now, not only do I not purchase Apple products but few friends and family members do as well. There's a reason I skipped over the iPhone entirely for the past few years and waited until a reasonable Android phone was released by my provider.

I can count on one hand the people I know (who are actually important in my life) that own an iPhone. Since I'm the "tech" in my group of friends and family, they generally follow my lead. And I of course lead by example, screw Apple and their arrogant ways.

nekkidtruth said,
The only "people" I care about are myself and my friends/family. I can tell you right now, not only do I not purchase Apple products but few friends and family members do as well. There's a reason I skipped over the iPhone entirely for the past few years and waited until a reasonable Android phone was released by my provider.

I can count on one hand the people I know (who are actually important in my life) that own an iPhone. Since I'm the "tech" in my group of friends and family, they generally follow my lead. And I of course lead by example, screw Apple and their arrogant ways.


You think Apple should listen to the market.
Another member has pointed out that the market is satisfied.
You say that the only members of the market you care about are your friends and family (doubting they're a majority).
You then say that they all follow you so they don't even have an opinion on Flash.
So it's come down to "listening to the market" meaning "listening to me"

Edited by PL_, Jun 2 2010, 2:15pm :

Mike Brown said,

You think Apple should listen to the market.
Another member has pointed out that the market is satisfied.
You say that the only members of the market you care about are your friends and family (doubting they're a majority).
You then say that they all follow you so they don't even have an opinion on Flash.
So it's come down to "listening to the market" meaning "listening to me"

Last time I checked, I was the market. Last time I checked, the people were the market. Last time I checked, regardless of sales, people want flash. You were saying?

The fact is, people want Flash. Whether they have the device already or not is not the debate. Just because I run out and buy the latest device, doesn't mean I don't want it to be improved. The fact that Apple not only refuses to work with Adobe, but doesn't even allow Adobe to do what Adobe does, isn't just arrogant it's flat out stupid. They could have just as easily declined to work with Adobe to get Flash working, but to completely shut them out? I'm sure I could pull up news articles, review articles and probably millions of other articles/posts/reviews/request etc that show very clearly "the market" wants Flash on their Apple devices. Quit arguing semantics look at the crystal clear picture.

Edited by nekkidtruth, Jun 2 2010, 3:11pm :

nekkidtruth said,

Last time I checked, I was the market. Last time I checked, the people were the market. Last time I checked, regardless of sales, people want flash. You were saying?

The fact is, people want Flash. Whether they have the device already or not is not the debate. Just because I run out and buy the latest device, doesn't mean I don't want it to be improved. The fact that Apple not only refuses to work with Adobe, but doesn't even allow Adobe to do what Adobe does, isn't just arrogant it's flat out stupid. They could have just as easily declined to work with Adobe to get Flash working, but to completely shut them out? I'm sure I could pull up news articles, review articles and probably millions of other articles/posts/reviews/request etc that show very clearly "the market" wants Flash on their Apple devices. Quit arguing semantics look at the crystal clear picture.

Your argument reminds me of something my parents did when I was young. I would complain about how hungry I am. They would offer me veggies of some sort which when I was about 7 or 8, I still hated. I refused to eat them and they would respond with, then you are no hungry. I am sure many people have had the same situation and would say they really were hungry. If you were hungry enough for it to matter, you would have eaten the food regardless if you liked it or not. If people needed Flash so badly that they TRULY needed it, they would simply not buy the device that doesn't have Flash. People continue to keep being iDevices so they don't need it, they simply want it. If they really needed it they would buy an android device. So you guys can continue to make pointless complaints about not having Flash or get a device that has Flash. It is your choice to make. I, like many others, prefer a device with no Flash.

Beaux said,
"Listening to the market" means seeing whether people buy it.

..and people are buying it.

And then returning it or selling it on ebay.

SputnikGamer said,

Your argument reminds me of something my parents did when I was young. I would complain about how hungry I am. They would offer me veggies of some sort which when I was about 7 or 8, I still hated. I refused to eat them and they would respond with, then you are no hungry. I am sure many people have had the same situation and would say they really were hungry. If you were hungry enough for it to matter, you would have eaten the food regardless if you liked it or not. If people needed Flash so badly that they TRULY needed it, they would simply not buy the device that doesn't have Flash. People continue to keep being iDevices so they don't need it, they simply want it. If they really needed it they would buy an android device. So you guys can continue to make pointless complaints about not having Flash or get a device that has Flash. It is your choice to make. I, like many others, prefer a device with no Flash.

You're absolutely correct. People don't *need* Flash, they want it. Hence why I said "people want Flash". Never once did I say it was needed.

nekkidtruth said,
Last time I checked, I was the market. Last time I checked, the people were the market. Last time I checked, regardless of sales, people want flash. You were saying?

You reckon it's fair to make the assumption that people don't buy things that they don't want? If Apple's products are selling well then it's pretty safe to assume that the people are happy with the product. That's listening to the market. I'm not sure how you've arrived at the conclusion that you speak for everyone shopping for gadgets, but you're simply wrong. Because Steve isn't listening to your requests doesn't mean he's not taking into account the demands of the majority. Y'know, the real market.

Mike Brown said,

You reckon it's fair to make the assumption that people don't buy things that they don't want? If Apple's products are selling well then it's pretty safe to assume that the people are happy with the product. That's listening to the market.

Of course people buy things they want. Nowhere did I ever say people don't buy things they want. What I did say is, "Just because I run out and buy the latest device, doesn't mean I don't want it improved.". Buying a product doesn't necessarily mean a product is good. What a ridiculous statement.

Mike Brown said,
I'm not sure how you've arrived at the conclusion that you speak for everyone shopping for gadgets, but you're simply wrong. Because Steve isn't listening to your requests doesn't mean he's not taking into account the demands of the majority. Y'know, the real market.

I also never said I speak for everyone. If you're incapable of understanding what I wrote, I'd be more than happy to break it down for you. I speak for myself. I am part of the market. It's as crystal clear as it can get. You may also want to take a look around, the market HAS spoken. They want Flash. Are you done?

I personally find it disgusting that the Boss of one of the biggest companies in the world doesn't where a suite and tie whilst being interviewed.

I think it speaks to the overall professionalism of apple.

thecarlisle said,
I personally find it disgusting that the Boss of one of the biggest companies in the world doesn't where a suite and tie whilst being interviewed.

I think it speaks to the overall professionalism of apple.


YEA! Like when Bill Gates wears those sweaters in every interview he's ever done! But I'd suggest they wear a suit, suites are massive and would probably kill anyone who tried to wear one.

thecarlisle said,
I personally find it disgusting that the Boss of one of the biggest companies in the world doesn't where a suite and tie whilst being interviewed.

A suite? You mean like a large hotel room or like the Nutcracker? How would one wear either?

thecarlisle said,
I personally find it disgusting that the Boss of one of the biggest companies in the world doesn't where a suite and tie whilst being interviewed.

I think it speaks to the overall professionalism of apple.

Most fortune 500 CEOs do interviews with jeans and t-shirts and sports jackets. That's how you seem them when they do presentations as well. That's just the culture, something a drone working in a cubicle probably couldn't understand.

thecarlisle said,
I personally find it disgusting that the Boss of one of the biggest companies in the world doesn't where a suite and tie whilst being interviewed.

I think it speaks to the overall professionalism of apple.

So you think he should come on stage wearing an expensive suit that yells, I have too much money and am above you all? That's good for public image. Last time I checked, Apple is good at marketing itself properly. According to the trolls of neowin, every product that Apple has ever created has been trash and the only reason they make profits is their marketing... which according to trolls, sucks too...hmm if Apple can make fail products and advertise using fail methods and has more money that anyone that uses this site, what does that say about the trolls. Someone who fails does better than you..

kukubau said,
Damn he looks like sh*it. Poor guy, the cancer is eating him inside.

I don't freaky understand rich people. He is absurdly rich but he is still sick yet, he is still working (and assisting to those boring convention) instead of joying the life.

Magallanes said,

I don't freaky understand rich people. He is absurdly rich but he is still sick yet, he is still working (and assisting to those boring convention) instead of joying the life.

enjoying life doing what? he is rich. he already has everything he wants. if he doesnt have it, it means it doesnt want it. he has done everything money can buy that he wants to do. if he hasn't done it, he doesnt want to do it. there is much more to life than having everything. maybe he is working because he enjoys it? maybe he does it because he has nothing better to do. random thought... some people like working...gasp...

"If we change our core values and start letting it slide. I can't do that, I'd rather quit," he said.

Core values!? You've been deceiving your customers for years...

Beaux said,
Core values!? You've been deceiving your customers for years...

How has he deceived customers for years? Tell me - go ahead, either put up or shut up.

rawr_boy81 said,

How has he deceived customers for years? Tell me - go ahead, either put up or shut up.

leading customers to believe that Windows is ridden with viruses
that Windows crashes more than Mac
that Macs come with the latest technology

Beaux said,
leading customers to believe that Windows is ridden with viruses
that Windows crashes more than Mac
that Macs come with the latest technology

umm... windows is ridden with viruses? if you have windows update going on your computer, youd see how many times they patch up flaws in the system. if you think windows crashes less than mac, which mac do you have? if you don't have one, your statement is baseless.

the last statement is a marketing gimmick that every company says and every company is lying when they say it because the latest technology was created a day or two ago from the time of the statement which means that technology isn't even on the market yet. if HP was running XP on its machines right now only and claimed it ran the latest technology, it would be lying obviously. HP runs windows 7 on its machines right now and if it says it comes with the latest technology, it is lying as microsoft is already working on new technology to update or replace the currect version of windows. you are deceiving yourself if you think you are running the latest technology. do you have the video card, sound card, mobo, and all the other hardware that just came out a day or two ago commercially? you are not running the latest technology that is commercially available. no brand of computer comes with the latest hardware and anyone that builds their own system can prove that.

SputnikGamer said,

umm... windows is ridden with viruses? if you have windows update going on your computer, youd see how many times they patch up flaws in the system.


And because Mac isn't patching up the flaws they have, that means Windows is ridden with viruses... errr, something...

if you think windows crashes less than mac, which mac do you have? if you don't have one, your statement is baseless.

The last 3 times I've seen either windows or mac crash have all been macs.
(That's over many years. The first 2 out of those 3 were MacOS 9, and the latest was MacOS X. Both Windows and Mac crash very rarely these days, but by my count, Mac is still crashing more.)


the last statement is a marketing gimmick that every company says and every company is lying when they say it because the latest technology was created a day or two ago from the time of the statement which means that technology isn't even on the market yet. if HP was running XP on its machines right now only and claimed it ran the latest technology, it would be lying obviously. HP runs windows 7 on its machines right now and if it says it comes with the latest technology, it is lying as microsoft is already working on new technology to update or replace the currect version of windows. you are deceiving yourself if you think you are running the latest technology. do you have the video card, sound card, mobo, and all the other hardware that just came out a day or two ago commercially? you are not running the latest technology that is commercially available. no brand of computer comes with the latest hardware and anyone that builds their own system can prove that.
I've been building my own computers for a long time, but that's beside the point. I never said anything about my computer.
A company shouldn't be claiming that a computer with Core2Duo proc, no Bluray, and no SSD is the latest technology.
There are some companies who make computers that qualify for a more acceptable definition of the latest technology, even if it isn't what an engineer came up with in his lab last night.

SputnikGamer said,

umm... windows is ridden with viruses? if you have windows update going on your computer, youd see how many times they patch up flaws in the system. if you think windows crashes less than mac, which mac do you have? if you don't have one, your statement is baseless.

That's a good thing. It means that they have recognized and acknowledged the flaws in their system and have fixed them in a timely manner. If you read around, you'll find that people praise Microsoft for their timely fixes.

Alternately, Microsoft could just release patches for Windows sparingly, but either way Apple fanbois would still have something to moan about.

SputnikGamer said,

umm... windows is ridden with viruses? if you have windows update going on your computer, youd see how many times they patch up flaws in the system. if you think windows crashes less than mac, which mac do you have? if you don't have one, your statement is baseless.

the last statement is a marketing gimmick that every company says and every company is lying when they say it because the latest technology was created a day or two ago from the time of the statement which means that technology isn't even on the market yet. if HP was running XP on its machines right now only and claimed it ran the latest technology, it would be lying obviously. HP runs windows 7 on its machines right now and if it says it comes with the latest technology, it is lying as microsoft is already working on new technology to update or replace the currect version of windows. you are deceiving yourself if you think you are running the latest technology. do you have the video card, sound card, mobo, and all the other hardware that just came out a day or two ago commercially? you are not running the latest technology that is commercially available. no brand of computer comes with the latest hardware and anyone that builds their own system can prove that.

And every time A point release is made for OSX it's size usually hits around 250 MB, so what is your point exactly?

To look at the claim, you have to look at the point that Apple are still implementing parts of the latest OpenGL spec a long time after it was finalised, and that they have still failed to implement a fully working form of ASLR, 4 years after it was introduced into Windows.

The people worthy of most trust on these issues are hackers, and the people that target machines at pwn2own pretty much all say that OSX is a lot easier than Windows to exploit, and that is coming from the mouths of people who actively try these things.

Nowadays, although viruses are still an issue, security exploits are becoming the most fruitful areas of attack for hackers, and in this case OSX is no stronger than Windows. Not to mention, the fact that there are viruses available doesn't mean you are going to get one.

Subject Delta said,

And every time A point release is made for OSX it's size usually hits around 250 MB, so what is your point exactly?

To look at the claim, you have to look at the point that Apple are still implementing parts of the latest OpenGL spec a long time after it was finalised, and that they have still failed to implement a fully working form of ASLR, 4 years after it was introduced into Windows.

The people worthy of most trust on these issues are hackers, and the people that target machines at pwn2own pretty much all say that OSX is a lot easier than Windows to exploit, and that is coming from the mouths of people who actively try these things.

Nowadays, although viruses are still an issue, security exploits are becoming the most fruitful areas of attack for hackers, and in this case OSX is no stronger than Windows. Not to mention, the fact that there are viruses available doesn't mean you are going to get one.

Please point to where I said OSX didn't have security flaws...o right...I didn't.

Fact: Most people use some form of Windows
Fact: The goal of malware is to infect as many users as possible to get whatever retarded scam you are pitching out there.
Fact: Malware creaters want to be as effective as possible and target the system with the most users.

Windows can come out with the most secure OS ever created but it won't matter if it has one single flaw because as long as it's the primary operating system, it will be the target for most malware, not OSX. The least secure software for a consumer is not the one with the most security holes, its the one that is the target. Currently that target is Windows.

SputnikGamer said,

Please point to where I said OSX didn't have security flaws...o right...I didn't.

Fact: Most people use some form of Windows
Fact: The goal of malware is to infect as many users as possible to get whatever retarded scam you are pitching out there.
Fact: Malware creaters want to be as effective as possible and target the system with the most users.

Windows can come out with the most secure OS ever created but it won't matter if it has one single flaw because as long as it's the primary operating system, it will be the target for most malware, not OSX. The least secure software for a consumer is not the one with the most security holes, its the one that is the target. Currently that target is Windows.

Only the first one is a fact that you wouldn't have a hard time proving.

I know the third one is absolutely false.
Sometimes they do it for a prize (pwn2own). Sometimes they do it just to prove something.

I think malware creators have mostly given up on your whole idea of malware, because the majority is so secure. They've moved on to other methods, like phishing sites and phishing emails, which work equally effectively on both Windows and Mac (depending on other software you use aside from the OS).

You, like many Apple fans, and like the "I'm a Mac" commercials, are living in the past, in the days when operating systems crashed a lot and when there were virus problems.
You should wake up and see what's going on with present day computers.

Edited by Beaux, Jun 2 2010, 6:21pm :

Beaux said,
Only the first one is a fact that you wouldn't have a hard time proving.

I know the third one is absolutely false.
Sometimes they do it for a prize (pwn2own). Sometimes they do it just to prove something.

I think malware creators have mostly given up on your whole idea of malware, because the majority is so secure. They've moved on to other methods, like phishing sites and phishing emails, which work equally effectively on both Windows and Mac (depending on other software you use aside from the OS).

You, like many Apple fans, and like the "I'm a Mac" commercials, are living in the past, in the days when operating systems crashed a lot and when there were virus problems.
You should wake up and see what's going on with present day computers.

you mean like last week when finance managed to plug an infected usb drive into all their computers and the entire finance department went down? this was on windows 7 and was a simple auto run virus. i use both pc's more than macs and macs rarely are the target of anything.

That guy should have said to Jobs, ok so don't bundle Flash but leave the OS open so people can install it if they want. I would like to have seen the answer to that.

thealexweb said,
That guy should have said to Jobs, ok so don't bundle Flash but leave the OS open so people can install it if they want. I would like to have seen the answer to that.

he did answer that. its what most trolls on this site dont think about. it costs money to put that crappy software onto the platform.

"we just made a technical decision that we weren't gonna put the energy into getting flash on our platform"

SputnikGamer said,

he did answer that. its what most trolls on this site dont think about. it costs money to put that crappy software onto the platform.

"we just made a technical decision that we weren't gonna put the energy into getting flash on our platform"

It wouldn't cost them anything to leave the OS more open, they could have left it open and let Adobe do all the work.

Don't be too hard on Jobs, Woz was the brain, Jobs was the kid with connections to his dad's friends at HP that could get computer parts. Jobs technical understanding never was his thing.

Taking ideas and selling them was his thing, and he still does that well, even if you don't agree with the 'distortion field' that he often uses.

If you want technical understanding, go talk to an engineer or heck even find Woz, don't look to Jobs to be like Gates that had a hand on the coding and technical aspects of the products.

(When you think of Jobs, compare him to Balmer, a salesman; however, far more interesting.)

I prefer Ballmer, he doesn't talk crap from his arse. He also has a better fashion sense, maybe not as creative but better. Jobs dresses up and talks like a douche.

Billus said,
I prefer Ballmer, he doesn't talk crap from his arse. He also has a better fashion sense, maybe not as creative but better. Jobs dresses up and talks like a douche.

Doesn't talk crap? what the hell do you call his vacuous vision for Windows?! and the fact that everything outside of Office, Windows and Middleware has been an epic failure? Ballmer hasn't a clue - he should go back to selling soap powder in his old job at Procter & Gamble - at least he would have the remotest understanding of what the hell he is selling!

Billus said,
I prefer Ballmer, he doesn't talk crap from his arse. He also has a better fashion sense, maybe not as creative but better. Jobs dresses up and talks like a douche.

Didn't the Doctor from "Idiocracy" say something along those lines?

thenetavenger said,
Don't be too hard on Jobs, Woz was the brain, Jobs was the kid with connections to his dad's friends at HP that could get computer parts. Jobs technical understanding never was his thing.

I'm sorry but you can't credibly claim that Woz was the brain behind Apple, not after all his terrible predictions and failed business ventures. At the end of the day Jobs - whether you like him or not - has made Apple a huge success and mostly because of his vision. I just wish his approach wasn't so arrogant and restrictive, as their products have so much potential.

I have been wondering more and more frequently now based on his decisions and actions lately - Did the doctors do a boo-boo and replace his brains instead of his liver? Or take them out completely??

Only that can explain his over-the-top control freakishness, arrogance and general douchbaggery... Not that he wasn't all that before, but now its just amplified beyond belief!

wow looks like he keeps getting thinner and thinner each time we see him. smooth3006 your right man death is a knocking on his door. Wonder how Apple will be run once he is gone and by the way he is looking that's soon people, my guess it falls to pieces.

I keep trying to understand why people like his speeches. He sounds as hollow as a politician. Always avoiding answers.

In this context: "We don't think flash helps us make a great product, we're gonna leave it out. That is what what a lot of customers pay us to do". Shifting it to the customers instead of saying "this is what we dictate to our customers, take it or leave it".

Last time i checked most customers would have liked to have the option to look at flash content.

Sjokkel said,
I keep trying to understand why people like his speeches. He sounds as hollow as a politician. Always avoiding answers.

In this context: "We don't think flash helps us make a great product, we're gonna leave it out. That is what what a lot of customers pay us to do". Shifting it to the customers instead of saying "this is what we dictate to our customers, take it or leave it".

Last time i checked most customers would have liked to have the option to look at flash content.

Sweet cheeks, they don't have the option - don't buy the f-cking device! there you go! if you want flash, get an android, if you want a iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch then buy that!

You pay Apple to provide a product and make decisions on your behalf; if you didn't want that then you would go with another company.

Sjokkel said,
Shifting it to the customers instead of saying "this is what we dictate to our customers, take it or leave it".

Exactly. It's something that a LOT of customers and potential customers want. It's just a shame that he tries to spin it as if he's doing the world a favour, rather than openly acknowledging that it's simply a game of politics.

rawr_boy81 said,

You pay Apple to provide a product and make decisions on your behalf; if you didn't want that then you would go with another company.

That's what i did but this is not about my personal preferences and descisions. I was just pointing out the way he twists things around.

-=SEDIN=- said,
i dont know what it is about Steve Jobs that makes me wanna punch him in the face.

I could make a list of things... his ignorance, his insistence on control over everything, the fact he's still alive, lack of fashion sense (I'm have more than him FFS)...

I could go on.

-=SEDIN=- said,
i dont know what it is about Steve Jobs that makes me wanna punch him in the face.

Well. Let's start looking by which hardware you prefer.

Douglas_C said,

I could make a list of things... his ignorance, his insistence on control over everything, the fact he's still alive, lack of fashion sense (I'm have more than him FFS)...

I could go on.

Grow up.

andrew_f said,

Grow up.

+1,000
Too many childish people around here. Apple helps create competition and innovation. As does Microsoft, Google, HP, Dell, Nokia, Motorola, etc. All these companies need each other. And the consumer benefits in the end.

andrew_f said,

Grow up.


+ another 1000
I'm an Apple user, but believe there is nothing wrong with the man. Why would anyone care either? If you had the money he had, you wouldn't care about your appearance or how you talk to others. No matter what he does or what he says, he's making money off of you and others.

asdavis10 said,

+1,000
Too many childish people around here. Apple helps create competition and innovation. As does Microsoft, Google, HP, Dell, Nokia, Motorola, etc. All these companies need each other. And the consumer benefits in the end.

Steve Jobs =/= Apple. Both Ballmer and Jobs seem like pretty annoying people to me.

asdavis10 said,

Apple helps create competition and innovation. As does Microsoft, Google, HP, Dell, Nokia, Motorola, etc. All these companies need each other. And the consumer benefits in the end.

Apple does help to create competition but at the same time they thing they can dictate what will be the standard for tomorow. Apple seems to be the red headed child here and it's very rare that you see them invovled with other companies to help them improve technology. Something about Apple is just off putting and believe me that day that I'm there at best buy trying to test hulu out on the iPad is when I decided iPad was a waste of money. I didn't know adobe was flinging dirt but I think Apple did shoot themselves in the foot with that one.

dvelez1985 said,

Apple does help to create competition but at the same time they thing they can dictate what will be the standard for tomorow. Apple seems to be the red headed child here and it's very rare that you see them invovled with other companies to help them improve technology. Something about Apple is just off putting and believe me that day that I'm there at best buy trying to test hulu out on the iPad is when I decided iPad was a waste of money. I didn't know adobe was flinging dirt but I think Apple did shoot themselves in the foot with that one.

I don't think Apple is wrong for dictating anything. If enough people don't like it, they will vote with the dollars and force Apple to change their policies. But as long as Apple continues to see the record profits that they've been seeing, they will continue to operate as they currently are. And nothing it wrong with that. Their products and business practices seem to be appealing to enough people. Some appeal to me and the ones that don't, I don't buy. At the end of the day, money is what all companies understand.

asdavis10 said,

If enough people don't like it, they will vote with the dollars and force Apple to change their policies.

The problem is that that's not always how it works.

In the situation where Apple is running a cult: If people don't like it, they just get brainwashed until they do like it.

The only thing that the Iphone/gizmodo case did, was to "warn" the people that was going to buy the 3GS not to, but wait for the 4g/hd
This not only because of technical updates to the device, but it looks about 10 times better then the all it's predecessors Personally, I like the more clean and "hard" borders.
Now, just hold out for a chinacopy that will be out BEFORE the real one;) (I think this is the main reason for all the fuzz from apples side. I really don't think they care if people know whats inside the device, and besides, the devices did'nt work:p)

Sn00pY said,
He's looking a bit ill again, isn't he?

No. But he "aged" a bit from his past illness and I think that's still visible.

Tatiania said,

He looks like he's doing coke or meth again

That's what I was thinking when I saw the pictures. I'm not saying he's on drugs, he just looks like someone who's done way too many drugs in his life or maybe drank too much. He just doesn't look healthy.

eviltwigflipper said,
None of his remarks had any technical significance what so ever.

The interview questions didn't really ask for anything of technical significance, especially in the time frame he was on for.

What I don't like is how he keeps on trying to use metaphors/similes for every answer, it's like he is trying to explain these things to children.

Minimoose said,
What I don't like is how he keeps on trying to use metaphors/similes for every answer, it's like he is trying to explain these things to children.

Bill Gates does a similar thing. Then again these are two of the world's richest people, so clearly there is some merit to their approach.