Study: 60% of Windows 8 desktop users launch a Modern app less than once a day

Microsoft has promoted Windows 8 as their next major step in the evolution of the PC industry. Part of that next step involves its Modern user interface, which has been designed for use by touchscreen displays, although it can also be accessed by the standard keyboard and mouse controllers. Microsoft has been pushing for developers to create Modern-based apps that can be distributed via the Windows Store section of Windows 8.

Today, a new report claims that the percentage of current Windows 8 owners that use Modern apps extensively is quite low. The report comes from Soluto, which sent a copy of its findings to Neowin ahead of their official launch today. The Israel-based software company collects data from a PC app that helps with finding performance problems. Soluto says that for their report they looked at 10,848 Windows 8 PCs and analyzed 313,142 Modern app launches across 9,634 unique Metro apps.

The report, which refers to Modern apps by their older designation Metro, claims that 60.78 percent of Windows 8 desktop owners launch an app less than once a day, 59.88 percent of laptop users launch Modern apps less than once per day, with that number going down slightly for touchscreen laptop owners to 58.10 percent. The percentage of tablet Windows 8 owners who use a Modern app less than once a day is much lower, at 44.38 percent.

 

Soluto says that, according to their data, Windows 8 tablet owners, on average, will launch a Modern app 2.71 times a day, while touchscreen laptop owners open apps 2.22 times a day. Non-touchscreen Windows 8 laptop users launch Modern apps 1.51 times a day and desktop users only open those app 1.41 times a day.

In terms of specific Modern Windows 8 apps, Soluto's data shows Microsoft's Communication Apps, which are a collection of the Mail, People, Messaging and Calendar apps, are used the most; 85.84 percent of Windows 8 owners launch those apps at least once a day and they are opened an average of 4.40 times a week. Soluto does add, "Note that launching ANY of the 4 apps (Mail, People, Messaging and Calendar) counts as a use. Therefore, the 4.4 uses per week (on average) of these Apps reflects the aggregated use of all 4 apps."

The report shows that nine of the the top 10 Modern apps that are opened once per day on Windows 8 were all developed by Microsoft, with Netflix being the sole exception in the number seven spot.

Soluto says that no definite conclusions can be generated based on these reports, but it does seem clear that non-touchscreen Windows 8 owners use Modern apps rarely during the day and even a significant portion of touchscreen PC owners don't use Modern apps that much.

The study also has a list of what Soluto claims are the most "engaging" Modern apps released so far for Windows 8. The report states, "By engaging, we mean - among the people who used a certain app, how often they do so on average (we only included apps with a significant user base)." The report claims that Yahoo's Mail app for Windows 8 is the most engaging, with its user base launching the app 26.91 times a week.

Soluto also examined the Yahoo Mail app user base in more detail and found that desktop owners open the app the most, at 25.59 launches a week, with laptop users launching it 24.52 times a week. Oddly, the touchscreen-based PC users of Yahoo Mail opened the app fewer times a week than their regular Windows 8 counterparts. Soluto stated, "Yahoo! Mail is an extremely engaging app showing that Yahoo! Mail users 1) love Yahoo! Mail and 2) get along with the Metro interface."

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I launch roughly 4 metro apps every day: mail, news, sports, weather on my desktop/non-touch laptop. they're all easy to use with a keyboard and mouse.

that said, I imagine that most Desktop users only launch about 2-3 apps every day: a web browser, a word processor, and maybe an email client.

DUH!
No one wants "tiles" littering up the desktop....Old style desktop & start button are still the norm. I also use stardock dock bar to keep the desktop clean.

I don't see this as surprising at all. Any Metro application I can think of has much much better version on the desktop that does 10 times more.

Millions of downloads of start replacement programs
Constant complaints on forums, websites blogs about it
The fact MS even said they are listening now
the statistics from this study..they maybe dubios on there own but combined with the other things it starts to paint a pretty clear picture

Yet we still have people claiming windows 8 is some kind of flawless success...

These are the apps I use everyday in a PC with a mouse.

Youtube+ -> I love how you can play a video in the background while doing stuff in the desktop

News Bento -> Now that Google Reader is dying is just the best news reader I found. I love reading a neowin article while having the list of news at a side.

Music -> they improved it a lot and finally it has its own volume button. Weeks ago while being in the Desktop I found out Daft Punk had released a new album so I immediately did open Search Charm, type "Daft Punk" and click on Music to start listening. Using the multimedia keys from my keyboard I can play, pause, stop while being in the Desktop so this app is a must for me.

Track Series -> Very easy and clean way to control my backlog. Every time I watch an episode from a series I just open the app and mark it as seen. I have more than 300 episode to watch yet and without this app I'd forget half of the series.

From now on I just can wait for more and better apps. I think Acrobat Reader app has a lot of potential.

I have Windows 8 on my desktop and yeah I can confirm this. On my desktop I barely use modern apps. On my Surface though I pretty much solely use modern apps. So this report makes at least half sense. The other half being people that actually have touchscreens and tablets. If you have a touchscreen you're going to use modern apps and much more than 44%

Be careful when making generalizations. I have a touchscreen ultrabook and no, I don't use modern apps at all.

Oh wait, I downgraded to Windows 7. If I want apps, I'll get an iPad.

Windows 8 installed on my laptop and my desktop. Total number of installed “modern apps”: 0

I even uninstalled the native apps.

This has been said many times before, but this modern app nonsense is perfect for a tablet but is a turd on the desktop. Users of modern apps are quick to argue that they are more "productive". GTFOH! We have a Windows 8 laptop here and the last time we used an app was two weeks ago when we wanted to check the weather. Other than that, the Windows key and "D" gets a good workout.

The fact that 44% of the tablet users launches less then 1 app a day should say enough: very bad study. I can't imagine 44% of the tablet Windows 8 machines only use the desktop.

Why? I have EP121 Tablet with Windows 8, it can run all Metro Apps, and I do not use any of them!

My wife uses the tablet as well and she don't even know what is Metro, all what she wants to do is to use PhotoShop with the pen, or Chrome with touch and the pen.

Yeah I pretty much don't use any apps other than the Weather and Stocks app on my Windows 8 desktop and convertible tablet. And then that's less than once a day. I personally don't like smartphone OS tablets so I wouldn't really like Modern apps because they imitate them.

I do like Windows 8 just fine though and prefer it over 7. Desktop usability improvements are awesome.

Am I one of very few of Windows 8 users who always use Windows Store apps?

Right now I have the following Windows Store apps installed:
LINE
SkyDrive
Chinese lunar calendar
Advanced English Dictionary
OpenMap
Skype
OneNote
Fresh Paint
Local newspaper app
ReddHub
Microsoft Solitaire Collection
Pinball FX2
Wordament
(and Windows 8 preinstalled Windows Store apps like Music, People hub)

I find myself keep LINE/ Skype/ OneNote running, and every night I play daily challenge in Microsoft Solitaire Collection. Some of the advantages of Windows Store apps I can think of right now:

1. Very easy to download, install and update. I just install the app once, whenever there is an update, Store app notify me and I update the app. I can't do this for desktop programs, I need to check the programs one by one, uninstall and install new version.

2. Windows Store apps tend to startup quickly and I can use the services/ functions immediately. LINE and Skype offers both desktop and Windows Store apps, but I decided to keep Windows Store apps only, and as said above I can install updated version easily with a few clicks.

3. Live tiles. This is very useful for apps that provide up-to-date information, e.g. weather. I don't have to visit multiple websites to get tiny pieces of information; I get them at once on my start screen.

4. Some software offer paid desktop programs and free Windows Store apps. One of the examples is OneNote. I use OneNote app almost everyday to jot notes, write down to-do list, etc.

IMO the many users don't know the advantages of using Windows Store apps, and I suspect a portion of them just think Windows Store apps and start screen are "useless" because others say so. I don't deny the fact that some people are not used to new UI and the new app model, but saying it is useless? NO.

Why do you need SkyDrive as a full screen App? or the Calendar or even Skype, I tried Skype as full screen a few times and it is just stupid.

it is ok if the tablet screen is 7" but on a Desktop??????

It is very easy to install, and hard to use, like a car that is very easy to start but will drive 20km an hour only

john.smith_2084 said,
Why do you need SkyDrive as a full screen App? or the Calendar or even Skype, I tried Skype as full screen a few times and it is just stupid.

it is ok if the tablet screen is 7" but on a Desktop??????

It is very easy to install, and hard to use, like a car that is very easy to start but will drive 20km an hour only


It's an example only, I still use Windows Store apps like Skype and LINE everyday.

Or in other words:

40% of desktop users launch more than one Metro apps with their mouse every day.

That's pretty good to be honest considering that this data comes mostly from professional users and it's only the beginning.

Or none at all. Though you're probably right as most launch the music, video, or store app.

Seriously though, this means nothing on the desktop as there really are no meaningful Modern UI desktop apps and the core apps suck.

It says more about how little people are using Windows RT and Surface Pros for anything other than an laptop replacement.

I think you would be shocked how few desktop programs a usual user is running. The number shouldn't be too far from this report. It would be helpful to see these numbers as well in comparison.

I guess I'm part of the 40% then, because I use several apps. I don't use all of 'em everyday, but I certainly don't need my browser as as much as I did before because now I have apps that can do those things. The fact that I don't need to always rely on a browser so much makes me happy. I like having individual apps to take care of my needs.

I use metro apps in the background while i am doing other stuff, twitter and mail are always opened when i start the machine, because it's just nice to have an app in the background when you work and you don't want it to disturb you, i just win key+ tab and see the latest tweets and mail. I also use Soundrivin, when i listen to some music from soundcloud, evernote touch for some fast notes and skydrive.

This is quite silly TBH.

1. Many users don't even need to launch the apps frequently because of live tiles.
2. The point of Windows 8 is choice. If you're a desktop user, you don't have to use the apps if you don't want to. Certain apps are much faster than going to the website... for example I use the Twitter, Weather, Calendar Mail apps frequently because it's faster than the website for me. Just as others pointed above, that's what others do as well depending on their use.

Not only that, but apparently soluto monitored 10k pcs, only .0001% of the windows 8 licenses out there.. that's just silly to report on stuff like this.

spudtrooper said,
Not only that, but apparently soluto monitored 10k pcs, only .0001% of the windows 8 licenses out there.. that's just silly to report on stuff like this.

Nah. Statistics and Probability don't always take all the portion to be analyzed. It is usually taken a small numbers and through probability and stats you can get an approx result of a general area.

Im sorry but the whole touch screen is a fad and metro apps take forever to load. I can open my bookmarked firefox page quicker than opening the mail app. I own 2 tablets 1 Dell RT and other android and both sit in their bags while I type on my laptop. Useless crap is all companys push these days comeon who wants to talk to their tv I have a remote after a long day of talking with aholes the last thing I want is to talk to a tv or wave my arms like a fool. Hand gestures are not faster than a mouse. I hope MS burns its time for a new face

That's the be expected. App quality just isn't there yet, and the apps that work well, take advantage of live tiles, so you kinda don't even need to open the app. One app is the Weather app, I always use the tile to see the current conditions, but I never open it because I get that information from the tile itself. I still use WLM vs the Messaging app or Skype because WLM just has more features, higher quality, were as the other alternatives are just horrid.
Another problem is the snap ratio and resolution requirements. Right now I never use it, because my laptop is 1280x800. I tried to give it a try on my tv with a res of 1368x768, but the problem is it is too small to actually do any multitasking. Open and PDF, and you snap it, you can't read it to type notes about it, open an article in IE10 and snap it, same problem. It's great for snapping weather, or a calculator, or a messaging app, but do to true multitasking, the desktop is still where it is because of the ability to 50/50 snap. In my case, this is the biggest hurdle to using the interface.
The next problem is the type of hardware. Make them all tablets, no one would want to use the desktop due to touch only control. Until we see more tablet and touchscreen laptops take over, we won't see people wanting to use "Modern" apps.
The last problem ties with productivity, specifically using Office. Many people use laptops and desktop Window PCs is due to Office. If people use their machines for this kind of work more, then it would obviously launch to desktop more often just because of the need to use Office.

I don't use any modern apps - even though I have some downloaded. If only I could run modern apps on the desktop WITHOUT needing third party software.

efjay said,
Have to wonder why they didnt just stay with Windows 7.

Maybe because they realized that there are many improvements under the hood and, being intelligent, they did not throw out the baby with the bath water, a concept that MS does not seem to understand...

Thanks to Start8 I only need to use the Modern interface when I plug in my Windows Phone. Otherwise, I avoid it unless I absolutely must. In general, I think I use a Modern app (that is not for Win Phone) maybe once a month.

That said, the interface is great my on my Surface.

I'm surprised that many people use the apps. They are, by and large, worthless. Why would I use the ESPN app when ESPN has a web site?

I love Win 8, but the hardest part of the install was deleting the worthless apps it shipped with.

Pishaw said,
I'm surprised that many people use the apps. They are, by and large, worthless. Why would I use the ESPN app when ESPN has a web site?

For the same reason people would use an iPad app rather than the website

spudtrooper said,
I don't even have soluto installed, so how are they gathering this data?

Is that a serious question?

The Israel-based software company collects data from a PC app that helps with finding performance problems. Soluto says that for their report they looked at 10,848 Windows 8 PCs

Edited by Deactivated., May 22 2013, 4:49pm :

spudtrooper said,
I don't even have soluto installed, so how are they gathering this data?

From machines that have it installed; something like a ten thousand ones used for this analysis.

CSharp. said,

Is that a serious question?

so you guys are making such conclusions on an install base of less than .0001%.


THATS JUST FRAKIN RICH LOL

some obscure software company monitors .0001% of the install base and provides meaningless stats about its own customers

spudtrooper said,
so you guys are making such conclusions on an install base of less than .0001%.

Uh...are you aware of typical sample sizes in opinion polls and such? 10k seems more than enough in this case to adequately minimize the margin of error. Feel free to ignore this study though.

spudtrooper said,

so you guys are making such conclusions on an install base of less than .0001%.


THATS JUST FRAKIN RICH LOL

some obscure software company monitors .0001% of the install base and provides meaningless stats about its own customers

You Windows 8 apologists are always good for a laugh.

CSharp. said,

Uh...are you aware of typical sample sizes in opinion polls and such? 10k seems more than enough in this case to adequately minimize the margin of error.

As long as the sample is correctly chosen. This is a classic case of selection bias, meaning the sample is not representative of the population [1]. Imagine only asking teenagers their opinion regarding the drinking age, and then concluding "90% of Americans think the drinking age should be lowered to 16."

I've never heard of Soluto before today, but looking at their website, they seem to provide some sort of cloud-based remote desktop software. Their slogan is "Ready to enjoy being the IT guy?" I'm willing to bet their customers are predominately white, male, 30-50, english speaking, American, and specialize in tech and IT fields. The last one is particularly damning to the sample because we already know this type of user detests the start screen and metro apps.

Sorry, no matter what you feel about Windows 8, drawing conclusions from this "study" (not even peer reviewed) shows a glaring ignorance of statistics.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias

ModernMech said,
As long as the sample is correctly chosen.

Yes. Selection bias is a different issue that, to a certain extent, should be taken into account in this case.

ModernMech said,
This is a classic case of selection bias, meaning the sample is not representative of the population

You really don't know that. Like you say, you're basically betting/guessing. To be honest, It would really be Neowin's job to shed light on the methodology used.

CSharp. said,

You really don't know that. Like you say, you're basically betting/guessing. To be honest, It would really be Neowin's job to shed light on the methodology used.

So looking into Soluto deeper, it seems to me that it's a tool that allows IT managers to manage computers in their network. So if you're in this data set, you are either a tech enthusiast, an IT manager, or your computer is at work and being managed by an IT manager.

So one thing we do know: Soluto has no data on the actual users of the software. Anyone can be sitting in front of a computer with Soluto on it at work. Thus it is impossible for them to do any kind of compensation for biases to make a representative sample based on age, gender, ethnicity, nationality, etc.

Further, we know that the users are either tech enthusiasts using it on their personal machines, or the users are using the machines at work in a corporate environment. Are you seriously going to try and tell me this sample is at all representative of the average home user?

It seems to me the best we can glean from this data is that 60% of corporate desktop users and tech enthusiasts launch a Modern app less than once a day. This is much closer to the truth, rather than saying 60% of desktop users. Again, I direct you to the example of asking teens if we should lower the drinking age, and concluding their opinion represents the opinion of all Americans.

CSharp. said,

You really don't know that. Like you say, you're basically betting/guessing. To be honest, It would really be Neowin's job to shed light on the methodology used.

I'm as aware as that as I am of sample bias. Merely sampling a group of users does not give you accurate data on all of them, especially if that group only includes those that installed monitoring software.

ModernMech said,

As long as the sample is correctly chosen. This is a classic case of selection bias, meaning the sample is not representative of the population [1]. Imagine only asking teenagers their opinion regarding the drinking age, and then concluding "90% of Americans think the drinking age should be lowered to 16."

I've never heard of Soluto before today, but looking at their website, they seem to provide some sort of cloud-based remote desktop software. Their slogan is "Ready to enjoy being the IT guy?" I'm willing to bet their customers are predominately white, male, 30-50, english speaking, American, and specialize in tech and IT fields. The last one is particularly damning to the sample because we already know this type of user detests the start screen and metro apps.

Sorry, no matter what you feel about Windows 8, drawing conclusions from this "study" (not even peer reviewed) shows a glaring ignorance of statistics.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias

As I said by itself this study proves not much but when you combine it with the start menu programs, MS making lots of changes for 8.1, the general opinion on these forums, blogs, fb etc , personal exper and that of family and friends it starts to paint a clear picture.

Just like you cant make any coclusion about a bloody knife on its own, but combine it with a dead
body, a person with blood on his hands, witnesses saying they herd screaming suddenly you realise its a murder

One individual aspect maybe meaningless but combined with other evidence you can solve the puzzel

Again there maybe another explanation but at this point in time the evidence is saying that 8 modern or metro is failing..

Since 100% of the apps that I use require the desktop, that's where you'll find my system booting into. The Metro apps are purely junk apps or apps that I have absolutely no use for. And Microsoft is beginning to learn that you can't force folks into an interface they don't want to use.

(Yes, I know, Adobe has released a Photoshop Metro app, but it's crippled compared to the real thing.)

Metro apps are good at work. I have a windows 8 machine as my second desktop pc. I use mouse without borders to get to it and I use the metro mail app and some others a lot.

majortom1981 said,
Metro apps are good at work. I have a windows 8 machine as my second desktop pc. I use mouse without borders to get to it and I use the metro mail app and some others a lot.

That's fine... provided that my company was moving to Windows 8. But the official word from on high was that there was NO plan to migrate to Windows 8 on any systems within the company, we're still working to get systems to Windows 7 by the end of the year. But since our network is tightly locked down, most if not all Metro apps would be blocked by company policy. Just as anything needing to go through to the Internet without first going through a proxy server is blocked right now.

I don't use ANY of those apps. I'm sure it might make things easier, but really theres no need for them. Not for me at least.

I'm sure if they make a study for tablets, it will show that tablets are used of entertainment, gaming, web, email, and social media. Hence, what regular consumers is all about, and why tablets are outselling PCs.

I confirm this study as for me I never open a modern App, because they are slow to open, hard to close, and just hide away task bar. MS should make modern apps in a separate window just like other windows applications. I don't care about start button but taskbar is a must-be present all the time for me.

I just can not stand using programs (apps) that take the whole screen up by design, always hated them... probably one of the reasons I don't like tablets...

modern apps get about as much use of my wii does..... got it to have it, but just sits there most of the time

Then what do you use for a Twitter application - or do you use one at all? (I have not seen a decent Twitter application OR app - Win32 or ModernUI - that wasn't full-screen. HootSuite - despite calling itself an MUI Win32 applicaiton - is a full-screen Win32 application. That is precisely what left the door open for the more concise MetroTwit.)

Makes sense seeing how they aren't optimized for keyboard + mouse and lack features. So if you have a desktop set-up you're better off with the desktop applications you've been using for years.

The current version of Windows 8 obviously was build for touch even though it is useable without it. Ironically I probably launch less mondern apps on my surface then I do on my PC. I only relaunch apps on my surface if I shut it down which is rarely. On my PC I use the mail, messaging, rainmeter and public transport apps. But for stuff like wikipedia and youtube I use internet explorer instead. Although its often the modern version of IE because its better animated and feels faster because of it.

It's more lacking features (compared to desktop applications) - I have never (as in ever) had problems using ModernUI apps with a keyboard and mouse - and yes, I run Windows 8 on a desktop (no touch). ModernUI apps are simpler and more concise; however, that doesn't mean that they are necessarily *bad*. For example, MetroIRC and MetroTwit - two ModernUI apps that I use regularly - are used *because* they are more concise than their Win32 competition - and despite an official ModernUI Twitter app, I still prefer MetroTwit. ModernUI supports touch - which I have never disputed; however, it's also an API for simpler and more concise apps - period. Don't dismiss ModernUI just because you don't have touch support - ModernUI is about more htan touch.

I to don't use any Metro apps except for the Windows Store to see what new useless apps there are and to update the useless apps I have installed and never use. I check out the weather every once in a blue moon but that's about it...

I only launch Metro to read CNN once a week on my Surface Pro or my Desktop. Otherwise, I use Start8 and forget that useless menu is there. Serves no purpose, at all. ever.

Let's try to do Metro on other things:
Open any software and press F11 (or the software equivalent) - for a better simulation do it everywhere. Is it any good? Who would use something like that?!
60% is a bit low IMO.

I always use the desktop, and never metro apps. I only use the metro screen to launch programs and that's it. Metro apps are for tablets, not desktops. I occasionally try a metro app, once in a great while, but that's about it. You don't buy a high end PC to use very limited, less powerful, less productive touch oriented apps.

And, whats wrong with that? On my desktop I rarely use any except Xbox Music. On my surface of course I use them more. Thats kind of the point of Windows 8, I can use it however I want.

Lone Wanderer Chicken said,
So you have a powerful Intel/amd desktop or laptop and use dumbed down, unproductive touch specific apps? What is this world coming to?

What does my hardware have to do with what apps I run? And why do they need to tax my system to be productive?

freak180 said,
I knew you would reply and say this exactly before you posted this. That says a lot...

There's a handful of apps that I use daily that are beneficial to my productivity. To not take advantage of them, even on my desktop and laptop, would be stupid.

Dot Matrix said,

What does my hardware have to do with what apps I run? And why do they need to tax my system to be productive?

Come on man who are you kidding with the being productive bit? Name one app that helps you be more productive.

Obry said,

Come on man who are you kidding with the being productive bit? Name one app that helps you be more productive.

I have many class notes on OneNote, and Evernote, and backed up on SkyDrive. I also use Twitter and Skype quite regularly. Not sure why you're attacking me, but all that **** you hear about "just playing Angry Birds" is false.

Lone Wanderer Chicken said,
I you bought a quad core PC with a descrete graphics card, why would you use apps that were designed for low powered PC's? It completely defeats the purpose of buying a good computer.

How are using Metro apps any different than desktop apps? Desktop apps can run on low powered machines too, so I fail to see your point.

Dot Matrix said,

I have many class notes on OneNote, and Evernote, and backed up on SkyDrive. I also use Twitter and Skype quite regularly. Not sure why you're attacking me, but all that **** you hear about "just playing Angry Birds" is false.

So when you want to check your twitter you open a full screen metro app covering up everything else you are doing?

warwagon said,

So when you want to check your twitter you open a full screen metro app covering up everything else you are doing?

Does "snapped mode" ring a bell?

Are you really going to be *that* troll? C'mon man...

Dot Matrix said,

Does "snapped mode" ring a bell?

Are you really going to be *that* troll? C'mon man...

I tried it and, at least for me, windowed is by far more useful than a sliced screen. And I am talking on my Convertible Tablet. I am not saying that the ability to split the screen, which we already had on W7, is useless but is not a replacement for open a windows app adjusting its size and its position.

You have to remember Dot is an ARM fanboy so of course when it comes to discussions of relative 'power', the fingers are quickly in the ears.

He still hasn't reconciled applications whose performance is directly proportional to their available power (like encoding) with his simplistic futureworld needs.

Snapmode, lol.

Edited by Dashel, May 22 2013, 5:26pm :

Fus10n said
I agree, Metro apps are horrible and very anti-multitasking.. Not very useful IMO..
I disagree. While you're in one app, you can have another app on the screen. One example of how I used it would have to be Wordpress & Twitter.

Mikeffer said,
Lot of people here just to flame Dot Matrix. I suggest getting hobbies.

" Flaming"? Stating an opinion is not what I consider it. Nobody labeled him as a troll for example which is something that a lot of fanboys do when someone say something negative about what they like.

Fritzly said,

" Flaming"? Stating an opinion is not what I consider it. Nobody labeled him as a troll for example which is something that a lot of fanboys do when someone say something negative about what they like.

Sorry, mistyped, meant 'trolling'.
If people don;t like his opinion then just leave alone, seems it's ok to attack other members directly though though. I always thought it was against the rules, must be wrong.

Those who troll, get trolled. Or does character count for nothing in your PC worldview? If he's making an argument based on his limited experience, then he opened that door when he presumed to speak for others.

Mikeffer said,

Sorry, mistyped, meant 'trolling'.
If people don;t like his opinion then just leave alone, seems it's ok to attack other members directly though though. I always thought it was against the rules, must be wrong.


I never liked the concept of personal attacks but... commenting on someone posts expressing a different opinion is not what I consider a personal attack. Said that it is undeniable that when people express their opinions, especially about controversial matters like, for example, the bloody start menu a lot of fanboys try to label others who disagree with MS are labeled as trolls, troglodytes, living in the past etc.
These behaviors, besides clearly showing the lack of concrete arguments, are, IMO, another form of personal attack. Unquestionably it is very unfortunate and, even worse, it reminds me of the kind f behavior that once characterized Apple oriented,site; unfortunately it seems thanks radicalization and polarization are now affecting both camps.

LWC, could it be because I'm doing something else that can actually USE that quad-core CPU and decent GPU, like playing a game, for instance? Let's be honest here - games, NOT productivity applications, are the more likely to use/leverage the quad-core CPU and discrete GPU - no matter what sort of computer you have. It's called *multi-tasking*, which, to put it bluntly, most productivity DESKTOP applications are STILL ill-equipped to do. ModernUI apps - even those that allow manual override to stay resident in the background, such as Skype, are far better behaved than their desktop equivalents for the most part, including those from the same developer.

Fritzly said,

I never liked the concept of personal attacks but... commenting on someone posts expressing a different opinion is not what I consider a personal attack. Said that it is undeniable that when people express their opinions, especially about controversial matters like, for example, the bloody start menu a lot of fanboys try to label others who disagree with MS are labeled as trolls, troglodytes, living in the past etc.
These behaviors, besides clearly showing the lack of concrete arguments, are, IMO, another form of personal attack. Unquestionably it is very unfortunate and, even worse, it reminds me of the kind f behavior that once characterized Apple oriented,site; unfortunately it seems thanks radicalization and polarization are now affecting both camps.

I guess my comment was based on an observation garnered over the months on news comments and forum posts. I've seen the same group of people following a certain member around, negatively commenting on his posts even if they're completely valid. Sickens me.

However i do completely agree with what you're saying.

On my desktop (non-touch) I like booting into the Start Screen as I get a quick update via live tiles on email, Facebook/Skype messages, tweets, Finance headlines, weather, CNN news, ESPN headlines, and others. But then I usually launch desktop versions or Chrome to actually take actions. On my touchscreen laptop, I use the modern apps a little more, so this sounds right to me.

I opened/tried a few 'modern' apps when I first installed Windows 8 (Sept. 2012), haven't really used any since then.

Kind of surprised that the numbers are still so low even on tablets. For desktops it makes sense as most people have zero reason to ever open one, but for tablets I would think that modern apps would be more heavily used.

Still very interesting though. It seems modern apps aren't really doing that well at all. Not surprised though. Modern apps are the biggest think I hate about Windows 8. Get rid of them and I think you have yourself a good OS.

Nothing to really be surprised about. These stats are not really reputable since it's from a third-party. How are they monitoring this without installing bloatware on everyone's computers?

Also, if MS were to get rid of modern apps, that would be going against their own vision and against their important developer community. It's only going to get better from here, and if they were to act on every single person's unnecessary complaints, no company can ever innovate then. I look forward to see what's to come, especially when with the unified Store coming.

What kind of right minded savvy or just avid Windows8 users are installing bloated crapware like Soluto onto their machine? Same users that install garbage software like WhatPulse and Norton for Antivirus. Sounds about right to me

Neowin why are you publishing useless numbers like this as if they're somehow Fact? Those installing programs like Soluto on their PC obviously don't care much about Privacy or their Win8 experience in general

The problem is the lack of statistic from other sources. Microsoft must collect and publish it by itself to avoid such speculations.

I wonder if those statistics account for apps that are launched and not closed until the user reboots the machine. The app may be in use for weeks without being re-launched. The same applies to Desktop apps. For example, the first app that I launch when I reboot the machine is Outlook and it will remain open indefinitely, for weeks!

Sotto_Zero said,
I wonder if those statistics account for apps that are launched and not closed until the user reboots the machine. The app may be in use for weeks without being re-launched. The same applies to Desktop apps. For example, the first app that I launch when I reboot the machine is Outlook and it will remain open indefinitely, for weeks!

im the same i have apps that load on boot so i dont have to go clicking everything i usually have open anyways

Although I don't dislike Windows 8 and Metro, but still I use modern apps rarely.
I would have used modern apps often, if I could run them on desktop, and in a window.... for free.

I rarely launch a modern app when on my laptop/desktop, it feels like a step backwards to use them on anything other than a tablet.

bdsams said,
I rarely launch a modern app when on my laptop/desktop, it feels like a step backwards to use them on anything other than a tablet.

Only app I open is the mail app.

I have a touch screen at home and I don't use them that much. I mainly use them for a quick check of email or facebook without having to sit down but other then that I use the desktop apps.

At work I use the metro mail app all the time. I have that open on my second pc .

It may be a step backward for you, but many people do find great use for them. It's much faster for example to launch the Twitter app and use it than to go to the website.

On the desktop I use weather somewhat frequently. Probably once a day. I also use the HP Scan and Capture application for scanning documents from my OfficeJet. Other than that I'm in the desktop in Visual Studio and Outlook 2013 all day.

Of course on my Surface I use many more

I suprised its only 60% tbh, my Dad upgraded his laptop to WIndows 8 himself, he was pleased it got rid of all of Samsung's crapware but got annoyed by the almost featureless Metro apps, now he just clicks through to the desktop.

Nothing really to be surprised about, many users don't launch the apps many times because they are already running and provide updates via live tiles and push notifications.

There is a simple command to get rid of all the remaining crapware ( all metro apps ) at once... Run PowerShell as admin and enter this:

Get-AppxPackage -AllUsers | Remove-AppxPackage

Or just press on Google "Remove all Metro Apps" to find it yourself. Cleaner environment.

PC EliTiST said,
There is a simple command to get rid of all the remaining crapware ( all metro apps ) at once... Run PowerShell as admin and enter this:

Get-AppxPackage -AllUsers | Remove-AppxPackage

Or just press on Google "Remove all Metro Apps" to find it yourself. Cleaner environment.

He had Windows 7 before.

DonC said,
I use a few modern apps regularly but I don't launch/open them because they are always running.

That's what I thought too. Why launch them when the tiles have the information you need?

I'll agree to that. The only app that I use is my Yahoo mail app. I have the ESPN app downloaded and installed, but I routinely just go to the ESPN home page due to habit.

Exactly. The only apps I use regularly are Random Password Generator and XE.com, though I may use them only a handful of times a month. My father uses Solitaire a lot, though he would have happily used the regular desktop version had it been included.

Personally I find Metro apps too restrictive for regular use, especially the requirement to be run in fullscreen or in a crippled side-snap mode. Windows 8.1 looks to be a slight improvement but unless it allows Metro apps to be run in a window on the desktop I doubt my usage will increase any.

Since one of the selling points of Modern apps is the ever updating live tiles, you can see the latest scores / news without having to open the app. That's how I use the reuters and cnn apps, like an rss feed on the startscreen.

Sadelwo said,
Since one of the selling points of Modern apps is the ever updating live tiles, you can see the latest scores / news without having to open the app. That's how I use the reuters and cnn apps, like an rss feed on the startscreen.

I find live tiles to be distracting and provide much less information than simply launching a website. The first thing I always do is disable any live tiles.

blueboy75 said,
Were you expecting a whole web page on a tile?

Obviously not. I was simply pointing out that it's quicker for me to find the information I want by launching a website than by launching the Start Screen. Live tiles may be great for tablet users but I find them virtually useless as a desktop user.

D!abo!c, does that app sync your contacts? How do you get your contacts over from Yahoo? I need to do it for someone, would love the quick answer before I go over there. Thanks... JF

I use this particular yahoo address for non-critical items, so I don't have any contacts. Basically the App acts as a front end instead of logging in to the website.