Surface Pro: 45GB for OS and pre-installed software, according to Microsoft [Update]

Back in October, a bit of a controversy flared up when Microsoft revealed that about 12GB of storage was required for the operating system and other pre-installed software on its Surface with Windows RT model, leaving just 20GB of free space for those who purchased its entry-level 32GB model. Microsoft later updated its Surface.com site to reveal that – once the OS, Office apps, recovery tools and other software had been accounted for – users could expect to see just 16GB of free space on the 32GB Surface RT model and 45GB on the 64GB model. 

The company hasn't yet updated its site with a similar breakdown for the new Surface Pro with Windows 8, which is set to launch in North America on February 9. But Softpedia.com says that they've received a statement from Microsoft revealing just how much space will be available to users who buy the new tablets. 

Microsoft is quoted as saying that the 128GB model – which will retail for $999 – will leave users 83GB of free space after the OS and pre-installed software have been accounted for. On the 64GB model – which will sell for $899 – the 45GB of reserved storage will leave just 19GB of space for users. 

We've contacted Microsoft to try to get further confirmation and additional info on this, and we'll update the article with those details when available.

Source: Softpedia.com | Image via Microsoft

Update: Microsoft has confirmed to Neowin that the 128GB version will indeed have 83GB of storage free (so 45GB of pre-installed software), while the 64GB model will have 23GB free (41GB pre-installed).

The company added that, in addition to the 7GB of SkyDrive storage, microSDXC card slot supporting cards up to 64GB and the USB 3.0 port allowing external storage drives to be connected, "customers can also free up additional storage space by creating a backup bootable USB and deleting the recovery partition".

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if apple said its ipad had 32gb but only 200mb free, people would be up in arms.
yes with the surface you can add storage, but thats not the point, its expensive! for so little free storage on the device.....
also windows 8 is poo!

Wow... So much intellectual dishonesty, this whole page was numbing.

Linux, OS X, Android, and iOS all consume space on the devices and computers they are installed on.

In the PC class this is less of an issue, because of larger storage and the ability to easily add more storage space to the computer easily. Guess what, Surface Pro is a Tablet and a freaking PC. Just like a TabletPC made back in 2002.

I know the Apple mentality of devices and hardware has tainted the intelligence of the consumer crowd, but to see this outrage on a technology website like Neowin is just ridiculous.

In contrast to other Tablets, just like WindowsRT, Microsoft has provided an SDXD slot and USB ports that allow UNLIMITED storage options. You can literally hook a few Hubs to the USB port and add a 50TB RAID Array to the Surface Pro.

So until you can add a 50TB RAID Array to an Android tablet or an iPad, QUIT comparing this tablet to them with regard to 'limitations' in storage space.

This is a computer that can run Crysis 2, literally, and yet people are arguing about how the iPad or a goofy Android tablet has more free space. Really?

I see a lot of 'outrage' and Microsoft needs to explain this or clarify or justify the storage space. If that is true, then everyone that made that comment to remain intellectually honest must immediately call Apple, Dell, HP, and every other PC maker in the world and complain that the 500GB hard drive they are advertising only has 4xxGB of free space.

**If people remember just a few years ago, a 40GB hard drive was fairly common and even with Windows consuming 10GB of that 40GB, was more than enough for program installations. There is still more than enough space for 99% of all user's software needs, and if you want to carry around 60GB of Music and Photos, put them on a USB Stick, and if you need more room to install software, buy a 64GB SD card and dedicate it to the device and install software on it.

PS As for Music, if you use a Microsoft Account on your desktop PC, it will read all your Music and create a cloud version of your Music library that you can literally access and stream to your device from anywhere. (It will also 'sync' that content to other PCs if you want to have your music follow you without network access.)

Edited by thenetavenger, Feb 1 2013, 2:27am :

At least you're not stuck with only 83GBs of space. I never keep personal files on any of my laptops or PC's anymore. Everything is either on a USB drive or external hd.

Like some here have already said, when has a company sold a device that came with the amount of space that it was advertised as. I don't think it's right but they're not the first ones to do that.

I' not sure why this has raised such concern. With the expandable storage and Win 8 being a bases on the cloud, I understand why they would market them with a higher number than available.

This doesn't bother me because of my 25gb skydrive. One thing though, most of this space is taken up by legacy drivers for all your peripherals. Maybe they could move driver support to the cloud? Again to me not an issue but you know the crapplers are gone be all over this.

First of all who wants 64GB surface pro ? Just buy the 128GB version it's $100 more.

Second, move the recovery partition to a usb stick, that's going to save some GB's

Third, buy a microsd card. At least there is a slot for it. Listen up apple and acer w700

Fourth, store some stuff in the cloud.

Don't forget, most laptops only have one drive bay so if you 128Gb SSD runs out what do you do, bin the laptop? No you change the drive.

And if its a primary usage machine, then I'd say 128Gb is borderline currently.

However this is being blown out of all proportion
So my 32Gb RT is looking a bit low, OK
SD Card, 32Gb=£12, 64Gb=£36
Problem?

(In actual fact I've still got plenty of space after installing everything I want so far, I haven't deleted the recovery partion and I have an empty 32Gb SD in the slot)

If had a 64Gb IPad and decided I wanted some more storage, what are the options?
Bin it and pay £750 for the 'new' 128Gb version....

I know I'd always rather have the option of upgradability....

It's the single thing I dislike about the Lumia 920 /HTC 8x..... No SD Card slot.

There's very little reason why a recovery partition absolutely requires to take up a lot of space. Instead of wasting away a magnitude of gigabytes Macs ship with a recovery partition that only takes up 600-700 MB. The OS X installation files are automatically downloaded when reinstalling your Mac. If for whatever reason the drive is corrupted the installation files are downloaded through EFI.

Don't come with "OMG! But what if I'm in the middle of the Sahara Desert without Wi-Fi and need to reinstall my Surface while sitting on the back of a camel?!?!" or something similar.

That is just crazy! straight away i would create the USB recovery pen, and then reinstall Windows 8 on a fresh formatted drive. Would save a lot of space

meh so have a cry allready jeesus its a full blown tablet PC not a toy, my windows install and allt he apps i use is up to 55gig allready

DKAngel said,
meh so have a cry allready jeesus its a full blown tablet PC not a toy, my windows install and allt he apps i use is up to 55gig allready

Exactly, it is a full blown Tablet PC therefore it needs space. Do not offer a 64GB model, go directly for 128GB.

The update to this article is incorrect. You can't just subtract the free space that Microsoft is telling you from 128GB to get the size of the default install.

You only get about 119GB on a 128GB drive when it's formatted, so it's about 36GB. You get around 59GB on a 64GB drive when it's formatted, so the install on that is about 36GB as well. They're not going to change the install size on their models, that's just stupid.

jhoff80 said,
The update to this article is incorrect. You can't just subtract the free space that Microsoft is telling you from 128GB to get the size of the default install.

You only get about 119GB on a 128GB drive when it's formatted, so it's about 36GB. You get around 59GB on a 64GB drive when it's formatted, so the install on that is about 36GB as well. They're not going to change the install size on their models, that's just stupid.

You just said what's on my mind.

I find it very strange that a tech blog writer doesn't know that you never get the full 128GB even if the HDD or SSD if completely empty.

If you take the 36GB difference after you consider the size lost after formatting, substract 3.5GB for the Office trial (which you can easily uninstall), and subtract, let's say, 9GB after removing the recovery partition, we're left with 23GB for Windows+apps which is not unreasonable or different from the norm.

Edited by The Integral, Jan 30 2013, 3:21am :

Think of the Surface as an expensive toy, or at best, a secondary computer to a laptop or desktop; and one's expectations are more than met. Its that simple.

So throw a tablet version of linux on there. This is just a pc people you can do whatever you want once you get it. Remove all that bs ms put on it.

daftperception said,
So throw a tablet version of linux on there. This is just a pc people you can do whatever you want once you get it. Remove all that bs ms put on it.

Yes, and replace it with a half-working piece of crap OS. People like you are funny.

Which is why I bought the Yoga 13 with Pro, i7, 8GB RAM, and 256GB storage. Best portable ever. 90% of the time I use it as a tablet but when I need to get real work done, BOOM, flip and go...

The devices should be named "Surface Pro 23GB "and "Surface Pro 81GB".
I mean, 2GB for iOS is OK... But eating away over half of the space (on the 64GB) model and branding it as a "Surface Pro 64GB" is just retarded and the regular non-technical user (99% of the worlds population) is going to say "WTF? WHERE IS MY 64GB???". And rightfully so since marketing fooled them.

Microsoft is basically making trouble for themselfs if they market the devices with capacities that are TOTALLY way off from the reality.

bidz said,
The devices should be named "Surface Pro 23GB "and "Surface Pro 81GB".
I mean, 2GB for iOS is OK... But eating away over half of the space (on the 64GB) model and branding it as a "Surface Pro 64GB" is just retarded and the regular non-technical user (99% of the worlds population) is going to say "WTF? WHERE IS MY 64GB???". And rightfully so since marketing fooled them.

Microsoft is basically making trouble for themselfs if they market the devices with capacities that are TOTALLY way off from the reality.

Should Apple market their entire desktop/laptop line differently as well?

This is absurd.

LookitsPuck said,

Should Apple market their entire desktop/laptop line differently as well?

This is absurd.

2 gigs OS consumption of 64GB is OK by most users.
41 gigs OS consumption of 64GB is NOT OK and the regular customer will NEVER accept it.

If you can't understand that you need to think less like a geek and more like a regular consumer (which is 99% of the customers of these devices).

bidz said
If you can't understand that you need to think less like a geek and more like a regular consumer (which is 99% of the customers of these devices).
99% is pure exageration. Plus you can move the recovery partition to a USB drive apparently.

You're acting as if you've never seen a device advertise an x amount of GBs, only to find out that it's a bit less than that..

Also, the Surface Pro will have USB ports so feel free to use a USB drive. There's something that can't be done on an Apple device.

bidz said,

2 gigs OS consumption of 64GB is OK by most users.
41 gigs OS consumption of 64GB is NOT OK and the regular customer will NEVER accept it.

If you can't understand that you need to think less like a geek and more like a regular consumer (which is 99% of the customers of these devices).

Except the majority of that is the OS and recovery partition, move the recovery partition onto a bootable flash drive and what happens?

Josh_LosAltosHills said
I'll be purchasing the new 128 gig iPad. Who wants to buy my surface rt w/touchpad?!
Have fun using an inferior product.. Seriously, 128GB for an iPad. I'm sure as hell not the first to ask this question, "who needs 128GB?". Especially for a mobile OS.

The actual usable space could be far less, because pagefil.sys and hiberfil.sys can often grow without bound.

This is a tablet. People don't buy it with the expectation that they'll need to add extra storage using a hdd or sd card, like with a pc. The OS is not optimized for this class of device, and it clearly impacts usage.

Would you people still be defending this if there was only 1GB usable space? How about 2, or 5?

Defcon said,
The actual usable space could be far less, because pagefil.sys and hiberfil.sys can often grow without bound.

This is a tablet. People don't buy it with the expectation that they'll need to add extra storage using a hdd or sd card, like with a pc. The OS is not optimized for this class of device, and it clearly impacts usage.

Would you people still be defending this if there was only 1GB usable space? How about 2, or 5?

That's why there's the Surface RT.

Defcon said
This is a tablet. People don't buy it with the expectation that they'll need to add extra storage using a hdd or sd card, like with a pc. The OS is not optimized for this class of device, and it clearly impacts usage.
Yes, it's a tablet (I'm glad we've got that covered), but it obviously does more than what an iPad or any other Android tablet can do. It's not perfect, but it's not like you're stuck at 83GB. You can move or remove the recovery partition. Not every tablet needs to be restricted and limited like an iPad or an Android tablet is..

This tablet is better because it can do more than the other tablets and because it offers ways to expand the storage.

how the heck did they manage to take up 45 gigs out of the box? My Win8 + programs drive is using less than 40 gigs right now. Surely the recovery partition isn't that big?

primexx said,
how the heck did they manage to take up 45 gigs out of the box? My Win8 + programs drive is using less than 40 gigs right now. Surely the recovery partition isn't that big?

See my article above. It's a good possibility that it's a compressed size of the 20GB that's required for 64bit Windows 8. So, it's not out of the question that the recovery partition could be 14-16GB.

This is the price being paid for bastardisation. Microsoft could have easily written a very lean and fast tablet OS based on the modern UI framework and it wouldn't have been much larger than the average Android or iPad ROM. I said bastardisation was a solution that pleases nobody and I fully stand by that assertion. There's no way I'd ever pay that much money for a tablet that only has 19GB of usable storage.

Javik said,
This is the price being paid for bastardisation. Microsoft could have easily written a very lean and fast tablet OS based on the modern UI framework and it wouldn't have been much larger than the average Android or iPad ROM. I said bastardisation was a solution that pleases nobody and I fully stand by that assertion. There's no way I'd ever pay that much money for a tablet that only has 19GB of usable storage.

Sigh.

Windows RT is what you're talking about. Including Office, it's only about 8GB large. I believe the recovery partition is something like 4-5GB.

SirEvan said,
19GB ought to be enough for anybody........ /s
You do realize you can move or remove the recovery partition, right?

The Updates said,
Microsoft has confirmed to Neowin that the 128GB version will indeed have 83GB of storage free (so 45GB of pre-installed software), while the 64GB model will have 23GB free (41GB pre-installed).

so, what exactly this missing 4GB crapapps that doesn't existed in the 64 GB version?

If it has a recovery partition then that makes sense, why are you idiots even comparing a full fledged Operating System to iOS that just opens apps?

DBrandUSA said,
comparing a full fledged Operating System to iOS that just opens apps?

What exactly do you think iOS is, if not a "full fledged operating system" ?!

What about Windows RT? Does that also "just open apps" or is it a "full fledged operating system" ?

CSharp. said,

What about Windows RT? Does that also "just open apps" or is it a "full fledged operating system" ?

WInRT Also has a large recovery partition which takes up again a fair chunck which can be moved to a USB stick should the user require more storage over the SD card provided.

brent3000 said,

WInRT Also has a large recovery partition which takes up again a fair chunck

Interesting. I really wonder though why Microsoft didn't build in a way for the system data to be automatically downloaded from Microsoft's servers in a recovery scenario.

You want to download 15GB from Microsoft on a tablet? Would kill the battery and not everyone has a spare 15GB data laying around and the time to download it

THey include it with an easy way to move it to a bootable USB drive.

IMHO the option to move it to a booted usb should have been something in the setup

brent3000 said,
You want to download 15GB from Microsoft on a tablet? Would kill the battery and not everyone has a spare 15GB data laying around and the time to download it

I'm assuming it comes with a power adaptor?

I'm frankly at a loss why the recovery image is so huge in the first place. Using the Internet Recovery feature that I mentioned somewhere further up the page already, it's only a few GBs that have to be downloaded in the case of OS X. And maybe a GB or two in the case of an iPad, although you need to have iTunes running on another machine to go through the recovery process, as far as I'm aware. .

CSharp. said,

Interesting. I really wonder though why Microsoft didn't build in a way for the system data to be automatically downloaded from Microsoft's servers in a recovery scenario.

You are joking right?

Microsoft has confirmed to Neowin that the 128GB version will indeed have 83GB of storage free (so 45GB of pre-installed software), while the 64GB model will have 23GB free (41GB pre-installed).

Why would the pre-installed software be any different between 64GB and 128GB SKUs.

The pre-installed software is the same, it's just that the calculations isn't as simple as Neowin has done.

The 128GB version (as with every other 128GB drive) has around 128,000,000,000 bytes which is appoximately 119GiB. Windows always calculates disk space in GiB, even though it indicates GB for the units. Hence 119GiB - 83GiB = 36GiB for pre-installed software.

The 64GB version would have around 64,000,000,000 bytes which is approximately 59GiB, thus 59GiB - 23GiB = 36GiB pre-installed software.

This whole outrage is stupid

Surface Pro is a pc running win8,

I have a win7 tablet I upgraded to Win8 it has a 64GB SSD and I have 40+ GB free. On the Surface you will also be able to have 40+ GB free by doing some tweaks and removing the bloatware\ recovery partition.

Look at any Win8 PC on a clean install that is how much space the OS takes up and that is how much space you can get on the Surface Pro.

I'm pretty sure it is included the full recover image for the OS. Just move it to external storage and get all those spaces back. Also, you can also uninstall any app/software that you don't need. Whatever storage MS sells with the tablet, it is still there. Not like they sell 128GB, but only put 80GB SSD storage in there?

Fail on an epic level lmao ...

You will never see apple sell ipad 5 64GB with 32GB used for OS

I'm sorry Microsoft lovers but this is such a fail

TurboShrimp said,
Fail on an epic level lmao ...

You will never see apple sell ipad 5 64GB with 32GB used for OS

I'm sorry Microsoft lovers but this is such a fail

I love people that take things at face value without even hearing a definitive source, especially given that on MS's site it says in plain English that a 64bit version of W8 takes up 20GB of space. So, something is being misreported.

LookitsPuck said,

I love people that take things at face value without even hearing a definitive source, especially given that on MS's site it says in plain English that a 64bit version of W8 takes up 20GB of space. So, something is being misreported.

Fanboyism clearly and heavily distorts one's view.

Cøi said,

Fanboyism clearly and heavily distorts one's view.

I may be an apple fanboy but when it comes to simple math it's very easy to see the truth . The one thing that apple users can do just as good is add and subtract. Numbers do not lie.

Calling people names on the Internet says a lot also.

I also would like to sell you a 128GB USB stick but you can only use 32GB if it is that ok with you ?

You will also not see people take their Quicken applicatoin that they puchased for their MAC Mini and install it on their IOS device.

That is such an Epic Fail.

Sigh

Clirion said,
You will also not see people take their Quicken applicatoin that they puchased for their MAC Mini and install it on their IOS device.

That is such an Epic Fail.

Sigh

but the surface pro is a Professional Device that runs a FULL windows 8 OS that's what I hear all day long for months on this site.

the surface pro has PRO in the name why cant I install Quicken ?

I would not install quicken on my ipad when I had a so called PRO surface.

TurboShrimp said,
Calling people names on the Internet says a lot also.

True, but when a person is being a moron, shouldn't we point it out?

And you , sir, for comparing the size of Windows to iOS are one. Sorry to have to be the bearer of bad news.

Good luck in life though!

TurboShrimp said,

but the surface pro is a Professional Device that runs a FULL windows 8 OS that's what I hear all day long for months on this site.

the surface pro has PRO in the name why cant I install Quicken ?

I would not install quicken on my ipad when I had a so called PRO surface.

That is my Point, You can install the Copy of Quicken that you bought to run on your PC on a Surface Pro. You cannot install the MAC OSX Version of Quicken on an IPad.

Taking one piece out of a spec sheet and calling a device a fail is normally not the best way to argue.

Surface Fail becuase of less disk space = IPad fail becuase you cannot load OSX Apps.

TurboShrimp said,
Fail on an epic level lmao ...

You will never see apple sell ipad 5 64GB with 32GB used for OS

I'm sorry Microsoft lovers but this is such a fail

Wait what?

You're comparing an iPad to a Microsoft Surface Pro?

Surface PRO?

TurboShrimp said,
Fail on an epic level lmao ...

You will never see apple sell ipad 5 64GB with 32GB used for OS

I'm sorry Microsoft lovers but this is such a fail

You, sir fail on an epic level. Ever hear of a recovery partition, you know that thing used to recover the machine if things go drastically wrong. Move the contents of that partition onto a flash drive and guess what, you get your space back.

It doesn't take a genius to work that out, but don't let the blatant Apple fanboyism cloud your judgement too much!!!

This is definitely not correct. Unless the Pro has additional software installed, I think the author has their numbers mixed up.

I'm sure there will an instruction that will be unearthed once Surface Pro is release on how to save the recovery tools and files on to disc or USB flash drive. Saving Surface RT recovery files on a USB Drive is already out there.

That's just crazy. Windows 8 takes a LOT less room on my laptop.

I'm not too upset, first of all because I'm not interested in the Pro but also because Windows tablets come with room for SD Cards.

Stil I really want to know why they've reserved so much space.

Ronnet said,
That's just crazy. Windows 8 takes a LOT less room on my laptop.

I'm not too upset, first of all because I'm not interested in the Pro but also because Windows tablets come with room for SD Cards.

Stil I really want to know why they've reserved so much space.


Windows itself including room for future updates and Blue.
Recovery mode which normally sticks on the install media also adds a few GB.
Pagefile on the RT is smaller due to less RAM, Pro has more RAM, so larger pagefile and hibernation file. Which add quite some disk space as well.
Then there is the default apps and room for future default apps.

Allot of the reserved space will be empty at first. It's just reserved. Windows 8 is an heavy OS which can accumulate allot of data over time (interested, take a look at your WinSXS folder now and again in a few months It will have grown, and eventhough the WinSXS isn't pure data on the disk (allot is 'empty' or 'fake' data. It also holds a backup for every update done to Windows and its drivers.)

Why is everyone ranting about disk space?
I bought a 1TB disk and can only use 931GB due to the advertising side of thinking in steps of 1000 instead of 1024.
Then another 80GB or so is taken up by the OS.
So I really don't see this space issue on the tablets. We are all aware that Windows is in its current form, a MASSIVE operating system. Taking up much space for its data, pagefile, hibernation file, recovery. Then losing <20gb isn't something to cry about for using the top of the line OS on a freaking tablet. People should really keep in mind you have a full desktop OS running on that little flat screen.

yeah if you're planning using the Surface Pro as only personal usages,
i wish i could install Windows 98SE with proper drivers on it.
Win9x installation only uses less than 1 GB.

I don't need the hibernation bloats, recovery bloats, ACL bloats, users-profile bloats, NTFS permissions bloats, and whaterver other misc-bloats.

Hell, even Win9x actually capable of Pen-touch, I remember someone installing Windows 95 on Concerto, and still able to use the pen as intended.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compaq_Concerto

so, if the Surface Pro proper drivers available Windows9x,
I wish i could blast exisiting Windows 8, and proceed to install Windows9x on it.

9 > 8, see?

Microsoft ostensibly made Windows 8 as a tablet OS. It's so tablety and touchy that people are saying it's TOO tablety for desktops. They even made it run faster than Win 7 on low end hardware.

Knowing this, and knowing they would have to support tablets with limited SSD storage, they still went and made a premier device--supposedly the be-all end-all, hey guys, this is how you should make em device--and made ass-backward decisions resulting in a third of advertised storage actually being available.

There are workarounds like SD cards but you still run into issues like media not being seen by default in Metro apps because of yet another stupid oversight on Microsoft's part.

It's just more egg on their face with an already lackluster release when they really needed this to be a homerun.

Wow, that's just massive. I'm not interested in one for other reasons though, so I'll let it pass. But 45 GB is a lot even for being Windows. Expect to hear much more about this in the future.

Tbh if your buying a surface pro for that much stumping up an extra $100 for 128GB model prolly wouldnt even concern em.

Comparing a mobile OS like iOS and androids space requirements to a fully fledged OS is stupid at best. i wont be buying one cus no need for one but ill definately have a go of one if i see one knocking around somewhere.

Ok, no problem. Mac OS X only takes up about 16GB. Now you are going to say to stop comparing Windows 8 to anything, am I right?

vcfan said,
LOL at some people comparing Windows 8 to IOS. Just stop please. Its too much.


This, anyone who does that loses. This is neowin, we can expect some behind the scenes knowledge, also among their members.
Windows RT is the same windows as Windows 8, just compiled for a different architecture and more closed/locked down.
Other then that, the full Win32 API is available eventhough its on ARM (I still find it impressive that pure Windows x86 applications only need a recompile to be able to run on WinRT, you just cant use it due to MS's lockdown )

Shadrack said,
Ok, no problem. Mac OS X only takes up about 16GB. Now you are going to say to stop comparing Windows 8 to anything, am I right?

And that's all Windows 8 takes too.

The recovery partition is a feature. Go ahead and delete it if you must.

rfirth said,

And that's all Windows 8 takes too.

The recovery partition is a feature. Go ahead and delete it if you must.

Awesome. The Mountain Lion recovery partition is only 650MB! You can delete that one for the space if you want to, but why? . I'm just poking now.

Buy 64, receive 19. Ouch. We need some sort of consumer protection that will require vendors to also list available storage with pre-installed software in the same font size as hard drive capacity.

Uhmm.... Am I the only one who is confused by the title and then what is included in the article?

Title: Surface Pro: 45GB for OS and pre-installed software, according to Microsoft

First paragraph: " users could expect to see just 16GB of free space on the 32GB model and 45GB on the 64GB model."

So is it; 45 of the 64 gb is required for the OS and pre-installed software, leaving you with only 19~ or so free gb.
OR is it; users could expect to see 45gb of free space on the 64gb model, meaning the OS and pre-installed software takes up about 19~gb or so?

wtf? O_o

Helps if you read past the first paragraph. The first paragraph refers to the Surface RT model, hence why "back in October" and the "Surface with Windows RT" are mentioned, and the link is provided to our earlier report.

I think someone is misreporting something. I can see 45GB available for a 64GB machine. That's nearly perfectly inline with W8 on a 64bit machine taking up 20GB of space.

Quoted from softpedia:

"The company, however, told us in a statement that the 128 GB version of the Surface with Windows 8 Pro offers users 83 GB of available space, which means that the operating system and the pre-installed software eat up approximately 45 GB.

If the figures sent to us by Microsoft are the same on the 64 GB version, this means that the entry-level Surface Pro comes with only 19 GB of available storage. That doesn't sound good."

in any case, its bloatifull.

Torolol said,
Quoted from softpedia:

"The company, however, told us in a statement that the 128 GB version of the Surface with Windows 8 Pro offers users 83 GB of available space, which means that the operating system and the pre-installed software eat up approximately 45 GB.

If the figures sent to us by Microsoft are the same on the 64 GB version, this means that the entry-level Surface Pro comes with only 19 GB of available storage. That doesn't sound good."

in any case, its bloatifull.

Advertised sizes are always GB, not GiB. So 128 "GB" would be 128 000 000 000 bytes and if you look in Windows, it would say 83 GB but it actually means 83 GiB, which is 89 GB. The OS would take 39 GB. So the 64 GB version would have 25 GB (23 GiB) available (which is more, but still hard to believe).

The only way to arround this that the 64 GB versions should have LESS crapware/crapapps/crapsofts/crapprograms/crapbloats compared to the 128 GB versions.

so, if thats true whats of the 'craps' that would be very likely removed on 64 GB version ?

Cøi said,

Advertised sizes are always GB, not GiB. So 128 "GB" would be 128 000 000 000 bytes and if you look in Windows, it would say 83 GB but it actually means 83 GiB, which is 89 GB. The OS would take 39 GB. So the 64 GB version would have 25 GB (23 GiB) available (which is more, but still hard to believe).

I hope I'm not the only one who realised this before the article update.

LookitsPuck said,
That seems pretty damn ridiculous. 45GB?

For a 64GB Macbook Air, it leaves about 48GB of free space, so it's only using 16GB for the OS.

On the Microsoft site for W8 requirements:
http://windows.microsoft.com/e...ndows-8/system-requirements

64bit requires 20GB. So this story is dubious.


that's a plain vanilla install, with no recovery partition. You can move the recovery partition. You can add a 64GB SD card for peanuts.

Am I missing something here? How is it that the 64GB version will have 45GB used up only leaving 19GB free?

Maybe it's the other way around: 19GB used with 45GB free?

That's strange.

Sorry, but there's no way I'd spend that kind of money to only have 19GB free. Yeah I have a 25GB SkyDrive, which I love, but 19GB is just too low.

Edited by A340600, Jan 29 2013, 4:46pm :

A340600 said,
maybe it's the other way around: 19GB used with 45GB free?

i wish too, but

buy 128GB entry, you got 83GB free space (Microsoft said so to Softpedia),
so how much 'free' if you buy the 64GB version ?

lol @ 'all vendors do this' .. so you guys are saying you'll be happy buying a 64GB device with only 19GB free? don't make me laugh. You expect a few GB here and there for system and OS files this much is a joke.

Uplift said,
lol @ 'all vendors do this' .. so you guys are saying you'll be happy buying a 64GB device with only 19GB free? don't make me laugh. You expect a few GB here and there for system and OS files this much is a joke.

Yes they all do, most OEM's use up around 25-30GB on a windows laptop (between the total unformatted capacity and the actual usable).

Now on surface pro abpout 15GB will be recovery, this can easily be moved to external USB or simply deleted if you have a windows disk and can use it to reinstall later on if you need to.

Then there will be the applications, I think the biggest one will most likely be an office trial which will come in at around 5GB - either use it or delete it.

It will be fairly trivial to get the space used down to about 20-25GB I think, but the recovery and aps are there for people that need them, and they make recovering the system a breeze.

Yes all OEM's add a recovery partition, this isn't blind MS fanboyism, its simple facts - and personally I think 64GB ssd is simply too small for a windows system, I had one in my old laptop and ran out of space after a month or so (after adding the apps I needed and some files, had about 10GB left).

well thats one way to look at it but it's more down to advertising, it's specifically advertised as 64GB, with tablets it's usually in the name 'Surface 64GB', 'iPad 16GB'

i'm not saying it should have it's full 64GB, but taking up way more than half is acceptable way to advertise it, do a search on twitter, you will see the many, many people not happy about it.

Uplift said,
lol @ 'all vendors do this' .. so you guys are saying you'll be happy buying a 64GB device with only 19GB free? don't make me laugh. You expect a few GB here and there for system and OS files this much is a joke.

Considering the device has ADDITIONAL storage OPTIONS just like a regular PC, this is an ignorant argument.

thenetavenger said,

Considering the device has ADDITIONAL storage OPTIONS just like a regular PC, this is an ignorant argument.

Disagree, why not advertise it at the storage allocation you are getting? it's that simple.

Because that would simply be False. They advertise the device having 128GB unformatted memory, which is the truth and has been standard for decades. Now they are telling you how much user storage is available as we'll since apparently consumers are too stupid to think and ask questions for themselves. Give me a break, all this whining is ridiculous.

When every single manufacturer of PC's and laptops and servers do this, then I will consider your point valid, until then STFU and just don't buy it if you don't want it.

Standard practise is tell people what size storage device is in computer, even this is a lie though as its in different units, then it gets formatted for the filesystem, then the OS gets added, then recovery partition is added along with the associated tools, then 3rd party apps are installed.

How is this suddenly an issue? 64GB SSD based laptops have been on sale for ages, with similar storage usage. Its almost like MS do something at the moment and the blind hate is delivered.

On the 64GB model - which will sell for $899 - the 45GB of reserved storage will leave just 19GB of space for users.

WOW. Yes all companies do it but all but one have a reasonable amount of space. Ipad 64 has 56Gb+ of space and an Android will have about the same. The good thing is that you can BUY a card to expand the MS Pro where the Apple devices you are screwed.

nohone said,
Really, comparing a full computer like Surface Pro to an iPad?

Even on the Macbook Air the OS and included apps supposedly only use up ~15GB out of the box.

CSharp. said,

Even on the Macbook Air the OS and included apps supposedly only use up ~15GB out of the box.

Recovery partition on windows 8 (and surface) will be about 15GB - it can be deleted if you want or moved to external storage.

If there is an office trial installed, you can remove it (if you want).

I think getting this down to about 20GB used will be easy if you want to.

duddit2 said,

Recovery partition on windows 8 (and surface) will be about 15GB - it can be deleted if you want or moved to external storage.

If there is an office trial installed, you can remove it (if you want).

I think getting this down to about 20GB used will be easy if you want to.


Well, that sounds pretty good. Microsoft should think about offering Internet recovery, too. (http://www.apple.com/osx/recovery/)

CSharp. said,

Even on the Macbook Air the OS and included apps supposedly only use up ~15GB out of the box.

So now we are making the comparison of iPad -> Surface Pro -> MacBook Air?

So we can only compare the iPad to Surface Pro when it makes Apple look good - when I have tried to compare the Pro to the iPad, such as when I said that there are 10s of millions, if not 100s of millions of apps that I will be able to run, as compared to the measly 800,000 for the iPad, I was told I could not because it was not a fair comparison.

And we can only compare the Surface Pro to the Air when it makes Apple look good - when I tried to make the comparison to the Air as to I will have millions of apps from a Pro while a few 100 thousand for OSX, I have been told I cannot because the Surface Pro is a tablet, and the Air is not a tablet.

I guess whatever is convenient at the time to make sure Apple wins the argument.

nohone said,
when I tried to make the comparison to the Air as to I will have millions of apps from a Pro while a few 100 thousand for OSX, I have been told I cannot because the Surface Pro is a tablet, and the Air is not a tablet.

Wasn't me who told you that. The Air can run Windows (and its "millions of apps") as well, by the way if Win32 apps strike your fancy.

nohone said,
when I have tried to compare the Pro to the iPad, such as when I said that there are 10s of millions, if not 100s of millions of apps that I will be able to run, as compared to the measly 800,000 for the iPad, I was told I could not because it was not a fair comparison.

It's perfectly fair - if you have a need or want for Win32 apps.

no. im comparing the OS's and size. I am thinking of the average consumer who does not know the ins and outs. And I am not bashing this at all. I think it is a big change and hope it does well.

CSharp. said,

Wasn't me who told you that. The Air can run Windows (and its "millions of apps") as well, by the way if Win32 apps strike your fancy.

I never said you did. But the argument changes to fit the betterment of Apple. You can compare iPad and Surface, you can't compare iPad and Surface. You can compare iPad and Surface Pro, you can't compare iPad and Surface Pro. You can compare MacBook Air and Surface, you can't compare MacBook Air and Surface. You can compare Windows and OSX, you can't compare Windows and OSX. And so on, and so on, whichever makes Apple look good.

It's perfectly fair - if you have a need or want for Win32 apps.

But we were told Surface was causing confusion in the market, useless, etc. because you can't run Win32 apps. So you need Win32 apps for Surface RT to be successful, but people don't have a need or want for Win32 apps.

Whatever wins Apple the argument.

nohone said,
the argument changes to fit the betterment of Apple.

Maybe that's because it's not a single person making one coherent argument. Plus, you seem to be fairly selective in your perception here.

nohone said,

But we were told Surface was causing confusion in the market, useless, etc. because you can't run Win32 apps. So you need Win32 apps for Surface RT to be successful, but people don't have a need or want for Win32 apps.

"People don't have a need or want for Win32 apps"? What are you even talking about? I said no such thing. In fact, who did? Of course people like that exist.

And I'm not sure it was suggested that the Surface RT needed Win32 apps, but that Windows RT needed to somehow clearly and visibly differentiate itself from Windows 8 to avoid customer confusion.

[quote=CSharp. said,]
Maybe that's because it's not a single person making one coherent argument. Plus, you seem to be fairly selective in your perception here.
[/quote]
It is just really confusing because the argument to make sure that Apple is protected keeps changing.
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[quote]
"People don't have a need or want for Win32 apps"? What are you even talking about? I said no such thing. In fact, who did? Of course people like that exist.[/quote]

Your exact words were [quote]It's perfectly fair - if you have a need or want for Win32 apps.[/quote]
The **if** in that sentence means that people don't need Win32 apps. So if you don't need Win32 apps, then the argument against WinRT because it runs ARM only apps (which do not apply to the ARM running iPad, surprise surprise) does not apply.

nohone said,
The **if** in that sentence means that people don't need Win32 apps.

That certainly wasn't what I was trying to say. Only that not everybody will have such a need, and in that case, in a tablet environment at least, will arguably be much better served by the lower number of arguably far superior iPad apps.

nohone said,
if you don't need Win32 apps, then the argument against WinRT because it runs ARM only apps (which do not apply to the ARM running iPad, surprise surprise) does not apply.

As far as I'm concerned, that isn't the argument against WinRT at all...(see my edited previous reply also)

CSharp. said,
... the lower number of arguably far superior iPad apps.

Which apps are those? Maps? Siri? Search? Customization backgrounds? games? Multitasking? iTunes?

Apple has a consistent, and well polished, OS and environment... but not only superior... but far superior?

I wouldn't say Apple doesn't have some good apps out there... but far superior? Outside of graphical design, what does Apple have that's "far superior" to the competition? I got a 3GS way back... because it was the best phone available - but that hasn't been true for years (The same can be said for Tablets now).

It's core apps - across the board - have been matched, or surpassed, by Android and/or MS. I wouldn't be surprised if BB10 did better than Apple, with how much they have stagnated.

Yea, 45gb is a bit much considering it only leaves you 19 to do what you want. Not much you can store with 19gb. Maybe they need to reconsider the preinstalled software and leave it out...or just include shortcuts to DL it yourself, if wanted.

recursive said,
Probably more software to spy on you, so Bing can target ads more effectively.

You must have Chromebooks on your mind...

I want to know what kind of stuff they install. I use a laptop with a 500GB hd with two partitions. My system partitions, where I also install apps, have 119GB total, and right now I have 90GB of free space on it. Plus, I have installed Office 2013 Customer Preview, some games from windows store, Skype, Photoshop CS6 and few more stuff. I don't see myself getting 45GB of installed stuff in my laptop. This is really weird...

thealexweb said,
Yay one program XD

VS2012 is one program? Well, if you say so - do remember that it is one program to make them all

That can't be right at all. Windows 8 does not take up that much space, my wife has a 64 GB SSD with Windows 8 pro and it takes up 15 gb at most....

siah1214 said,
Just checked my windows folder, Windows 8 enterprise, 17.2 GB.

Windows 8 Enterprise here too,
c:\Windows = 20.1GB
ProgFiles(both) = 7.54GB (includes Office 2013 and VStudio)
ProgramData = 1.17GB

BajiRav said,

Windows 8 Enterprise here too,
c:\Windows = 20.1GB
ProgFiles(both) = 7.54GB (includes Office 2013 and VStudio)
ProgramData = 1.17GB

Ok, checked the others. Office 2013 and some misc apps and it used up 21.5 GB.

I think the numbers are reversed, there's 45 GB free, and 20 GB used by OS. 45 GB used makes 0 sense.

Basically. I installed Win8 Pro w/ Media Center over the weekend on my desktop... I've also installed VS2012, SQL Server 2012, and Office 2013 (MSDN)... and my Prog Files + Users + Windows folders don't add up to 25GB.

siah1214 said,
Just checked my windows folder, Windows 8 enterprise, 17.2 GB.

And that's including the files in WinSxS twice.

Windows Explorer is not hardlink-aware, so it counts them as though they were actual files on disk. In reality, they just point to files elsewhere on disk. Because they're hard-links, the only disk space they take up is a directory entry in the NTFS Master File Table.

siah1214 said,
That can't be right at all. Windows 8 does not take up that much space, my wife has a 64 GB SSD with Windows 8 pro and it takes up 15 gb at most....

Recovery partition probably takes 10-15GB

BajiRav said,

Windows 8 Enterprise here too,
c:\Windows = 20.1GB
ProgFiles(both) = 7.54GB (includes Office 2013 and VStudio)
ProgramData = 1.17GB

How old is your install? Windows 8 will grow over time, especially if you are a heavy user (install/update allot of applications). Plus your Windows doesn't come with a build in recovery (you will need the install media to do a reset or refresh). A desktop doesn't hibernate by default, tablets do. Add a few gb more for the RT and the Pro had 8gb iirc.

mrp04 said,

Recovery partition probably takes 10-15GB

At 50 cents a gig, that's quite a waste of expensive NAND flash!

Of course, it's not like they could include a DVD of Windows 8 with the device ...

BajiRav said,

Windows 8 Enterprise here too,
c:\Windows = 20.1GB
ProgFiles(both) = 7.54GB (includes Office 2013 and VStudio)
ProgramData = 1.17GB

On my Samsung Smart PC I just checked and

Windows = 10.9GB
Program Files = 1.6GB (I don't have much desktop apps on this as it's more of a tablet.)
ProgramData = 2.5GB

Mine is just basic Windows 8, not Pro and also on this system it's 32bit and not 64bit. Still at this point I have 16GB free because of all the videos I've downloaded to it. The OS itself and the apps I have, mostly metro apps, take up next to nothing.

On that note, out of the 64GB the C:\ volume is only 51GB which means the rest is taken up by a hidden recovery partition.

Shadowzz said,

How old is your install? Windows 8 will grow over time, especially if you are a heavy user (install/update allot of applications). Plus your Windows doesn't come with a build in recovery (you will need the install media to do a reset or refresh). A desktop doesn't hibernate by default, tablets do. Add a few gb more for the RT and the Pro had 8gb iirc.

Just over 2 weeks I think. Those numbers were from my work PC and it is running a standard 8Ent image deployed by our IT. It includes a few other things I can't mention here.

Edit:
Original Install Date: 1/9/2013, 11:38:04 AM

siah1214 said,
That can't be right at all. Windows 8 does not take up that much space, my wife has a 64 GB SSD with Windows 8 pro and it takes up 15 gb at most....

People are forgetting to compute the additional space used by the OS.

So in addition the other lists above, you also have:

Pagefile
Snapshots
Virtualization Program Data

This is why you can 'restore' you computer to an earlier time if you have a problem, and why software written for older versions of Windows that expect to use or share System files run without modification because they are using virtualized DLLs stored on the hard drive.

Considering you can use the SDXC slot and shove in an additional 64GB of space and/or the USB 3.0 drive, and plug in a portable multi-TB drive, this topic is freaking ridiculous.

Does Windows 8 even take up that much space on a normal 64 GB SSD? I think this must be a ridiculously conservative estimate.
I mean a full install of Windows 8 easily fits on a DVD, and that's an image of Windows 8, files and all, mind you.

Yes, but not with such a high compression ratio. My clean Win 8 pro install weighs around 15gb, after I install software like office, pshop etc... it will get to 25gb. A far cry from 45gb, specially considering it's just win8pro. There's something wrong with Softpedia's info, it makes no sense.

billyea said,
Does Windows 8 even take up that much space on a normal 64 GB SSD? I think this must be a ridiculously conservative estimate.
I mean a full install of Windows 8 easily fits on a DVD, and that's an image of Windows 8, files and all, mind you.

Don't forget there's a recovery partition, usually on the order of 10-15GB on Win8 pro machines. There is a built in function to offload it onto a flash drive, and power users can just straight up delete it.

billyea said,
Does Windows 8 even take up that much space on a normal 64 GB SSD? I think this must be a ridiculously conservative estimate.
I mean a full install of Windows 8 easily fits on a DVD, and that's an image of Windows 8, files and all, mind you.

You put windows on a disk that's less then 100GB and you will run into problems eventually.
I have a 60gb WinSXS folder on my Win8 system, and even though that's not pure 60GB of disk usage, but it isn't far off. (no the WinSXS is not just links and other 'empty' data, it holds a backup of every single DLL file ever used by Windows and/or its drivers.)

mrp04 said,

Don't forget there's a recovery partition, usually on the order of 10-15GB on Win8 pro machines. There is a built in function to offload it onto a flash drive, and power users can just straight up delete it.

That still doesn't account for the difference. After formatting, there should be 58 GB available on the drive. Windows 8 we know takes about 20 GB. Preinstalled microsoft apps we know take about 1GB. So that's 37 GB available. Given this story, we're expected to believe the recovery partition is 18 GB?

In any case, this can be blasted and you're left with 37 GB usable space. Everyone is forgetting that Surface Pro is a computer like any other, and you can install any OS on it with partitions formatted as you see fit. If I buy a Surface Pro and I open the box to find there's only 19 GB free, with a few commands I'll very shortly have 37 GB.

It would be nice if the device stored the recovery partition on separate storage. 16GB of slow cheap flash storage would cost next to nothing, it also gives them the ability to make it read-only at the hardware level, ensuring that it can never be corrupted or deleted.

sphbecker said,
It would be nice if the device stored the recovery partition on separate storage. 16GB of slow cheap flash storage would cost next to nothing, it also gives them the ability to make it read-only at the hardware level, ensuring that it can never be corrupted or deleted.

And apparently, there's nothing stopping you from doing it either.

WTF is the recovery partition so damn huge? There's really no need for it to be more than 500MB (at the most) with the ability to download the components it needs from the internets to do a restore.

Not everyone has unlimited connections like those in the US. Think outside the US for a change, where connections are limited in terms of speed and quota, and the prices for both can often be quite expensive.

Let alone the time one would waste having to download the stuff from the Internet, rather than just click a button and have it all done on the device.

I'll brace myself for the torrent of abuse now.. woe betide anyone should make critical comments about Microsoft. But really... is that not false advertising somewhat? How can they advertise it as a 64GB product and only give you a usable 19GB?!

Obviously I'd like to hear official clarification from Microsoft on this one though!

All hardware vendors do it, they list the max capacity of the storage it has, not the available storage

This is such a non issue, all most had to do was look at a Win7/8 install and see how much space it used, then subtract that from the listed storage,, I can't believe that in this day and age anyone actually thought it listed available storage and not total storage

When has a company ever advertised the free space available on their products?

I can't think of a single time. Instead, they give the drive size and do not mention how much the OS and their crap takes away from it.

Chicane-UK said,
I'll brace myself for the torrent of abuse now.. woe betide anyone should make critical comments about Microsoft. But really... is that not false advertising somewhat? How can they advertise it as a 64GB product and only give you a usable 19GB?!

Obviously I'd like to hear official clarification from Microsoft on this one though!

so all laptops/tablets currently being sold are excluded from this? Not agreeing with it either, but its not like Microsoft is alone in this. Take the 8gb 7in Samsung tab 2, only 4gb is available for the users files and apps!

Chicane-UK said,
I'll brace myself for the torrent of abuse now.. woe betide anyone should make critical comments about Microsoft. But really... is that not false advertising somewhat? How can they advertise it as a 64GB product and only give you a usable 19GB?!

Obviously I'd like to hear official clarification from Microsoft on this one though!


Even if this is true, when was the last time you got "64GB" from any vendor including Apple? iOS takes what, 2GB or something? then there is space taken by apps and their data etc. A 64GB iPad(or any tablet) is already not true 64 to begin with.

I doubt 8Pro requires 45GB, I am using 46 on my OS partition with latest updates, Office 2013 ProPlus and Visual Studio Pro in addition to some data.

Brian M said,
There's a massive difference between buying 64GB and getting 62GB, than buying 64GB and getting 19GB (to use).

Exactly.

Brian M, obviously - however all the outrage is at the supposed "false advertising", which is completely untrue, especially when every single other manufacturer of devices ALSO advertise the total size, not the amount of free space.

However, even if there was outrage at amount of free space, this is no different from any other device (e.g. PCs and laptops) with similar amounts of free space left.

Therefore, the only clear conclusion is that people are simply comparing this to an Apple iPad or Android tablet and because free space less than those ones, use it as an excuse to bash Microsoft with.

In other words - people should direct their outrage properly.

BajiRav said,

Even if this is true, when was the last time you got "64GB" from any vendor including Apple? iOS takes what, 2GB or something? then there is space taken by apps and their data etc. A 64GB iPad(or any tablet) is already not true 64 to begin with.

I doubt 8Pro requires 45GB, I am using 46 on my OS partition with latest updates, Office 2013 ProPlus and Visual Studio Pro in addition to some data.

There is a recovery partition, probably takes at least 10GB. You can move this onto an external 16GB USB flash drive and free up the space. Surface RT has a ~4GB recovery partition that you can do this with, too, I believe.

MS should've clarified how much 'space' that each pre-installed apps takes.

For example how many 'space' that this "Bing news - Sports" would takes?

as i no fan of sport news, if possible I prefer spaces alocated for this 'sports' was relocated to user spaces.

z0phi3l said,
All hardware vendors do it, they list the max capacity of the storage it has, not the available storage

This is such a non issue, all most had to do was look at a Win7/8 install and see how much space it used, then subtract that from the listed storage,, I can't believe that in this day and age anyone actually thought it listed available storage and not total storage

This is only a non-issue if the majority of total space is still available to the user as storage, which is usually the case for practically any other PC/ Mac/ iPad/ android device sold.

It is somewhat reasonable to have Windows + crapware to take up 30GB when I'm buying a machine with 1TB storage... but to have the OS take up 45GB of the 64GB of advertised space is purely ridiculous. People who think this is OK are pretty much defending their fan-dom at all cost.

Brian M said,
There's a massive difference between buying 64GB and getting 62GB, than buying 64GB and getting 19GB (to use).

And there is a massive difference between an ARM based tablet OS and a full blown x64 operating system - not to mention a massive difference in functionality between the iPad and surface pro. Surface pro is your laptop replacement but is also a tablet - go buy any laptop and see how much space is tied up with the OS and the OEM partitions.

The comparison here is wrong, surface pro is not a direct iPad competitor like RT (as in both can only use app store apps and are based on an ARM architecture). Surface pro should be compaired with other laptops etc because that's what it is.

This isn't me going off on a pro MS crusade, just saying it as it is, all systems bought of the shelf running full windows will advertise the full unformatted capacity of the hard disk inside and will not EVER mention how much is lost on the file system or the OS or the OEM recovery partitions - this is the same with apple laptops or any laptop, they advertise always the unformatted capacity.

Now please can people stop wanting to hate, and use logic in their arguments - the hate bile is like lava out of a volcano here.

I have to agree that this is misleading. I know venders do not advertise free space, but users make an assumption that they will be able to use a large percentage of the space available as they wish. No other tablet on the market has such a crazy ratio. Computers with large amounts of preinstalled software have much larger storage, and allow you to delete things you don't want. I can't think of any other device that gives you access to only 30% of the space advertised.

This is a little like buying a 60" TV and then finding out that only 17" is viewable (yes, I applied the same ratio). Sure, every TV has some unviewable area, but users assume it is a small percentage.

Anyway, WTF is with the 45GB install!!?? Windows 7 and Office 2010 don't need anywhere near that much space on a computer, hard to imagine what is going on there. I see a class action law suit coming.

With a laptop the crapware does not take up over 50% of space. How many apps can you then add. A suite of Adobe is 5+GB then you need space to run it.

I am not bashing them. At least they are letting people know on the internet but will this be on the box in tiny tiny print for the average consumer?

Brian M said,
There's a massive difference between buying 64GB and getting 62GB, than buying 64GB and getting 19GB (to use).

No ****! I'd like to know which 64GB SSD on market will give you 62GB after you install windows/office etc on it...

sphbecker said,
I see a class action law suit coming.

no way, Microsoft has made sure that whoever using Microsoft products, MUST AGREE to NOT filing any class action law suit AGAINST Microsoft.
U.S. law allow this.

If you're not agree you can be classified as using Microsoft products illegaly.

Brian M said,
There's a massive difference between buying 64GB and getting 62GB, than buying 64GB and getting 19GB (to use).

You're buying a full fledged OS, not a glorified app launcher. My desktop system partition with all applications including Office 2013 and some 25 installed apps and their data uses 44GB of space so I doubt this is correct

Brian M said,
There's a massive difference between buying 64GB and getting 62GB, than buying 64GB and getting 19GB (to use).

You expect a Windows 8 Pro installation to take up only 2GB? What are you smoking?

MidTxWRX said,

You expect a Windows 8 Pro installation to take up only 2GB? What are you smoking?


He probably wants all the bells and whistles windows (x86) provides while wanting a 2GB installation.

There's a big difference from taking up a fraction of the total available space, compared to taking up half. I think that's where the big issue lies.

Hell, some people were upset alone by the advertised storage amount compared to what you actually see simply from the different standards of numbers used for bits/bytes or what have you. (e.g. 120GB hard drive showing up as 111-112GB)

Not sure why anyone would be surprised by people complaining about this. Personally, I do feel the complaint has some merit at least, but this is a good reason why I tell everyone to do their research as a consumer.

dead.cell said,
There's a big difference from taking up a fraction of the total available space, compared to taking up half. I think that's where the big issue lies.

Hell, some people were upset alone by the advertised storage amount compared to what you actually see simply from the different standards of numbers used for bits/bytes or what have you. (e.g. 120GB hard drive showing up as 111-112GB)

Not sure why anyone would be surprised by people complaining about this. Personally, I do feel the complaint has some merit at least, but this is a good reason why I tell everyone to do their research as a consumer.

Keep in mind that it's not really a "fraction".

Windows does not take up a "fraction" of every hard drive. The fresh installation is almost the same from computer to computer.

If it is installed on a computer with a terabyte hard drive, the fraction would be much smaller than if it was installed on a 64GB SSD.

Yet the actual installation would be the same size.

U

duddit2 said,

And there is a massive difference between an ARM based tablet OS and a full blown x64 operating system - not to mention a massive difference in functionality between the iPad and surface pro. Surface pro is your laptop replacement but is also a tablet - go buy any laptop and see how much space is tied up with the OS and the OEM partitions.

The comparison here is wrong, surface pro is not a direct iPad competitor like RT (as in both can only use app store apps and are based on an ARM architecture). Surface pro should be compaired with other laptops etc because that's what it is.

This isn't me going off on a pro MS crusade, just saying it as it is, all systems bought of the shelf running full windows will advertise the full unformatted capacity of the hard disk inside and will not EVER mention how much is lost on the file system or the OS or the OEM recovery partitions - this is the same with apple laptops or any laptop, they advertise always the unformatted capacity.

Now please can people stop wanting to hate, and use logic in their arguments - the hate bile is like lava out of a volcano here.

The point, if this will be confirmed, is that this device will have as available space, more or less 20% of the total space.
My Tablet PC with a 300GB HD has 50 GB taken by the OS and other software.. plenty of space to create another partition for data etc.

BajiRav said,

Even if this is true, when was the last time you got "64GB" from any vendor including Apple? iOS takes what, 2GB or something? then there is space taken by apps and their data etc. A 64GB iPad(or any tablet) is already not true 64 to begin with.

I doubt 8Pro requires 45GB, I am using 46 on my OS partition with latest updates, Office 2013 ProPlus and Visual Studio Pro in addition to some data.


Every Android device going?