Thailand to sue YouTube over king clips

Thailand's army-backed government is considering suing Internet video-sharing site YouTube over clips it deemed insulting to King Bhumibol Adulyadej. Thailand is upset about videos insulting the monarchy, a serious crime in the country that carries up to 15 years in prison. The government, which came to power after a September coup, has continued to block YouTube since April, when the first clip posted showed the king next to a photograph of feet, considered deeply offensive in Thailand. Since the first clip, more new videos mocking the king have appeared on YouTube, including pictures of the monarch that had been digitally altered to make him resemble a monkey. Thailand's 79-year-old king, almost universally adored by Thais, is the world's longest-reigning monarch, and one of the few who is still protected by tough laws that prohibit any insult against the royal family.

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Freedom of speech is freedom of speech is freedom of speech is freedom of speech. Whether you go home and cry about it or whether people flip you off: its still freedom of speech.

Only when it starts to hurt a person on legal grounds (libel or slander), is the speech actually taken into courts. But yes, we, as Americans, can sit here all day long and never have to worry about such atrocity towards our citizens.

Trust me, I love the concept. Because I lived in a 3rd world country for a while, and I know what it's like to not have your basic Bill of Rights. A country where anything you do can be used against you, and anything you say can be used against you--even by your own family!

Those up-holding Freedom of Speech no matter how disrespectful it is or how cute/awww/sweet it is, way to go--because that is the way of our culture and our society and our America.

I don't give two ****s if someone has a monkey pretending to be the king, I live in the UK and we don't try and sue the internet everytime the queen gets slated. They are probably ****ed off because the secret is out... :suspicious:

I'm from Thailand and I'm not happy seeing this. Thailand is very unstable at the moment. Our king is a great man, he has done so much over his life. I strongly agree that blocking the internet and suing youtube is so f**king stupid.

People do get offended when seeing the videos mocking the king(I do too) and to be honest there is not anyone can do to stop this, it's the world we're living in. On the other hand, you people should respect our cultures too. We do things differently. You people have been living in Western Cultures and it is not the same.

What determines what is right or wrong anyway????
Which cultures is best or right one????

*Peace*

If you believe this man (by accident of birth) to be anything other than a fellow human being, then you deserve
to live in a repressive unstable country. "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely!". Just look at
the "elected leaders" of the US and UK They have only had power for a few years . Looks as if France are
going to go down the oppressive route.

You have a master - slave mentality. Unless you are a "master" you are deluded or brain-washed! Do
something brave; please read George Orwell's book 1984. You have shown a classic example of
"double think", which is the most dangerous thing of all!

thepodest said,
On the other hand, you people should respect our cultures too.

Respect is optional. For example: I don't respect culture of cannibal tribes and I don't think that I should. :)
Also I can despise and respect different parts of same culture and I am free to change my opinion at any time.

Actually, I am a US citizen, old and wise enough to know what I see. All one has to do is be observant and see what the "Western" mentality has done to everyone.

Be careful we might "bring" (force) democracy to your country.

I guess we'll all just have to take your word for it about the "old and wise" part. I mean, I agree with the other guy up there, if some old and wise guy says it, it has to be true.

Or, hey, maybe you just read too many ****ty articles on the internet about how people hate other countries, and maybe you watch too much TV that has the same type of crap in it. I've never met anybody in my entire life that has said to me anything close to, "If that country doesn't start turning democratic, we, the police of the world, are going to liberate it." You know why? Because everybody in the United States is too busy caring about their own life. Only the President and Mel Gibson say crap like that. Not the actual people.

You spend too much time thinking you're looking at what's going on on the inside of the "Western" mentality, when really all you're doing is looking at the stereotype that's being branded deeper and deeper into us everyday.

Eis said,
Only the President ... say crap like that. Not the actual people.

In democracy Presidents are elected by people. It means that he is representing majority. It means that majority of Americans thinks like Bush. And all voters who plays "Finger Pointing" game later when trouble comes are hypocrites.

EJocys said,

In democracy Presidents are elected by people. It means that he is representing majority. It means that majority of Americans thinks like Bush. And all voters who plays "Finger Pointing" game later when trouble comes are hypocrites.

Wrong. I'm not even an American and I'm not that ignorant about their politics. The presidentail election is based off of electoral votes, not popular votes. The first election Bush did not have the popular vote, although he did for the second. I guess you could say "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me," but a better source of what people think is Bush's approval rating which was just under 35% as of May 1st.

EJocys said,

In democracy Presidents are elected by people. It means that he is representing majority. It means that majority of Americans thinks like Bush. And all voters who plays "Finger Pointing" game later when trouble comes are hypocrites.

That's not true at all. That's not even close to true. Catagorizing him into the entire population would make the entire United States population have a C average in high school, a poor military record, and the occasional choking on peanuts, just isn't even close to the truth either.

The reason he's the president is not because he got more votes, the reason is because he's one of the lucky families in the united states to have millions and millions of dollars, and a father who was a former president. Not everybody can run for president, and even if they do nobody will get even a fraction of the votes without having power and a large amount of money.

Also, I didn't vote, so I guess I'm not included in your finger pointing range, am I?

Eis said,
That's not true at all. Categorizing him into the entire population would make the entire United States population have a C average in high school, a poor military record, and the occasional choking on peanuts, just isn't even close to the truth either.

Then you don't know how democracy works. Categorizing him in to entire population means that majority of Americans is religious militant rednecks who f***s the World with their "democracy" pretext (in exchange for oil) and don’t have clue about Evolution or that Sun is the star. And it’s very close to true.

Eis said,
a father who was a former president.

America is just moving to monarchy. :)

Eis said,
Also, I didn't vote, so I guess I'm not included in your finger pointing range, am I?

You just finger pointed to Americans who vote.

Nice to see that the narrow-minded opinions of the European and US (aka Western "Civilization") is alive and well here. Freedom of speech goes with "responsibility" and "respect" which lacks in most western civilizations now. Now that I think about it, knowledge of other cultures lack too.

I think a culture that imprisons or kills its people because they speak against the governemnt or the crown is pure stupidity. I have no respect for that.

wxpwzrd said,
Nice to see that the narrow-minded opinions of the European and US (aka Western "Civilization") is alive and well here. Freedom of speech goes with "responsibility" and "respect" which lacks in most western civilizations now. Now that I think about it, knowledge of other cultures lack too.

Sweet, make a sweeping generalization about groups of people while having no clue yourself. I mean a comment like that based on a few bad people has to be right doesn't it :confused: ?

The majority of comments here are sickening.
They show no respect for other cultures and a total lack of understanding of the Thai culture in this case. Even if those tough laws wouldn't be in place the Thai would still treat their king in the same way. Freedom of speech you say? With any freedom comes a certain amount of responsibility, showing respect being one of them, but that's almost always conveniently forgotten.

With any freedom comes a certain amount of responsibility, showing respect being one of them

Respect is something that's earned - not given.
I don't have any empathy for people that complain because someone said something out of the way about them. Making laws that kill or imprison people for "slandering" the government is absolutely absurd. I myself have no understanding, nor do I want to, of a culture that does that. I'm thankful that I can call Bush an absolute idiot and post insulting stories or videos of him all day long and don't have to worry about being killed or going to jail for it.

wxpwzrd said,
Respect for the king WAS earned.

And it was lost again. Respect is mostly earned by good things people done in their life. And to do that you must be very smart and educated in most cases. Smart person must understand that you can't gain 100% respect from all. There will be always people with different opinion and arguments to support it. People who think that respect can come with "blood lines" are stupid snobs. There is old monarchy trick on how to boost own respect and continue to suck money from working people. All you need to do is to create/support social classes with titles like "sir" and "lord" and keep inviting smart people so you can always shine in the light of others. Monarchy is thing of past. In modern society it has only symbolic value for tourists.

You need to understand the difference between the Thai monarchy and the Thai government. Respect for the king in Thailand is not lost.

wxpwzrd said,
You need to understand the difference between the Thai monarchy and the Thai government. Respect for the king in Thailand is not lost.

Yeah, sure, comrade Stalin was respected too, because with such sentences in prison you can call any fear as respect. I don't respect him and I am sure that half of the World don't respect him and never respected. Monarchy is dead in modern society. A person who thinks otherwise lives in middle ages.

Last I heard Thailand was a great place to go for underage whores. I think they have more important things to worry about than some video with a monkey king.

thailand can go screw themselfs... people sue for anything nowadays and it's plain "out of line".

if i where youtube i would go tell them to go phuck themselfs plain and simple.

I never have understood it, why don't the smaller countries who have strict laws, make an law against owning e.g. a search engine like the ones google, msn, yahoo and so forth owns. This would be look upon as a very serious crime and would therefore have very large fines, e.g. 100$ pr. site (or page) it has indexed. Then they could sue google, microsoft, yahoo and loads of other companies, and get rich very soon.


When I'm thinking about it, didn't RIAA sue allofmp3 for US$1.65 trillion. Yep, just checked in wikipedia. Yea, why don't other countries make something like that? Like if the US goverment has a search portal as big as google, they could probably sue the US and instead of money get USA - that would be a good deal.

Mr_Mo said,
Like if the US goverment has a search portal as big as google, they could probably sue the US and instead of money get USA - that would be a good deal.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

"Thailand's 79-year-old king, almost universally adored by Thais..."

Of course he's adored! It's 15 years in the Bangkok Hilton if you don't.

I like that comment. Do the rooms have on suite bathrooms, or do you have to share?

To all the comments above, don't be so sure about the freedom of the Internet. There are
many political leaders, and their paymasters (I'm not talking about the electorate) who
would love to shut down free speech, Neo-Cons particularly!

Do a search for "WTC7" and "inside job" on Google Video or Youtube, and pick your (political) side!

The_Decryptor said,
Ahh, freedom of speech, the ability to ramble about any insane theory you have and not be thrown in jail for it.
That's what they want you to think.

if they attempt to sue them in the US courts, it won't have a chance.

I am not aware if google has a presence in Thailand, and unless they do, this will go nowhere

I'd like to see where this goes, the problem with the internet is that it's global so it's very difficult to enforce individual country's laws and apparently Thailand has no sense of humour at all.

What are you getting at? People take shots at our prez all day long every day for 6 years straight, US gov is the last gov. you have to worry about doing this. Saturday Night live and MAD tv do it every week. I dont get why you'd ask this. The answer to your question is NO, it would not be physically possible and its the last thing you need to worry about.