Editorial

There's nothing wrong with iOS 6, or the iPhone 5

You can complain all you want, but there's nothing wrong with the iOS 6, or the iPhone 5. I know, I know - it's boring, it looks the same, it doesn't have a kickstand, it's still a rectangle, it doesn't have a projector, or a built-in toaster. And gridded icons are so 2007. But hear me out...

I'm not going to spend much time on hardware, but I will say this: the iPhone is beautiful. I wish that it came in more colors, like the iPod Touch, but as is it's a great looking, iconic and eminently recognizable device. It's ridiculous to expect Apple, or any other company, to come up with some radically different phone design: a comfortable rectangular shape, with an emphasis on that big, beautiful screen. No one wants a round phone, or one that's as wide as it is tall. Complaining about a lack of innovation in basic phone design is like complaining about all wheels looking similar.

Now that we've got that out of the way, what about the UI? Yes, iOS is using a similar UI to what it was using in 2007. And guess what: there's nothing wrong with that, either. Even among hardcore Apple fans, this is a sticker, but I don't get why it’s that big of a deal. Name one (successful) operating system that has completely overhauled its basic design after just 7 years. No, not Windows, and no, not OS X. They both work, and they know better than to try and fix what's not broken.

Round wheels are so passé

For the better part of 18 years, Windows has relied on the same basic UI scheme, made up of a multi-windowed desktop paradigm, and defined by the start menu. From Windows 95 to Windows 7 (and yes, to an extent, to Windows 8), the basic functionality has stayed the same. Up until Metro (whoops – I mean 'Modern UI'), we've seen Windows be refined by gradual changes, with occasional visual overhauls to keep things fresh.

Barring anything catastrophic, Microsoft is going to do the same thing with their new design language. The same thing that Apple has been doing since debuting OS X. I don't think we should expect anything more from iOS, although I’ll admit that it might be about time for a fresh coat of paint. A few new colors, maybe a little more texture here and there, you know. That's just the way it works. No one wants to completely throw out the basic paradigms of their computing platform of choice every couple of years.

I don't want Apple to come out with some half-assed ripoff of Live Tiles, or come out with some widget infested home screen that looks like it was vomited up by Samsung! That'd be ridiculous, and yet that's what some people seem to want. 

Simple & Focused

Yes, it's about damn time for a better way to turn Bluetooth on and off, it’s about time to be able to have two apps on screen simultaneously on my iPad, and I wouldn't mind a more powerful version of Spotlight, but I don't think Apple needs to scrap how iOS works and go for something completely different. Springboard gets the job done, and although it's not as impressive as it once was, iOS doesn't need a new workflow.

Ultimately, what's most important is the apps, and the average user isn't very worried about how long Apple has been using the same Springboard layout! I doubt they even care about those features that I want! And they certainly don't care about NFC, 'palm touch mute pause,' or even know what an AMOLED is.

There's nothing wrong with this, either

If you like the way Windows Phone looks and works... why are you worried about how the iPhone works? And I say that vice-versa, too. All of these devices have their strengths and weaknesses, things they can learn from one another and things they can learn to do better. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect some people to prefer one to the other. It's ridiculous to turn someone’s choice of smartphone into some kind of religious struggle. If you like your iPhone, or your Lumia, or your Galaxy, more power to you! Because in the end, what works for you is all that matters.

We use our smartphones to get work done, to navigate, and to have a little fun now and then. You should use whatever does that best for you. There's no point in getting caught up in some kind of war with people who use something else. No one has to lose for everyone to win. For me, I have more reasons to stick with the iPhone than I have to leave it, and I know I'm not the only person around here that feels that way. That's not a shot at other phones, just the situation in in right now.

Refined, if not revolutionary

Finally, just for the sake of clarity, I'm not saying that I want to see the industry stagnate, or that I don't want Apple to be a little more adventurous in the future, that I wasn’t a little disappointed by iOS 6, or that I'm not impressed by what other companies are doing with their devices. I'm really not even defending iOS 6 or the iPhone 5. I'm just saying that it's just unreasonable to expect a drastic overhaul or a head-turning innovation with every single update, no matter who it's coming from.

iOS 6 is a beautiful, capable system, whether it's running on a new iPhone 5 or a venerable 3GS. And even if it is lacking some of the bells and whistles of its competitors, it’s a huge improvement over iOS 5, especially under the hood. It’s a mature, polished OS that can be depended on, and that’s not a bad thing to be.

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I like bits of Android and bits of Ios. The maps on apple are a joke from what I see. (i cant use any mapping anyway where im at). I seen and played with win 7.x mobile and i hate the tiles. For me it is BLAH. that just my opinion. Others will like it.

For now I like Ios on the phone. for a tablet I seem to be wanting to sell my ipad and get an android device because the apps I want are on there.

This is one of the most mature and well written articles I have ever read concerning this ongoing battle of Apple vs Android vs Windows. Thank you so much for writing exactly what I have been thinking. Unfortunately what you write will fall on deaf ears to most people. I'm just glad there is some mature people out there like you.

Boyd Petersen said,
This is one of the most mature and well written articles I have ever read concerning this ongoing battle of Apple vs Android vs Windows. Thank you so much for writing exactly what I have been thinking. Unfortunately what you write will fall on deaf ears to most people. I'm just glad there is some mature people out there like you.

Ha?

"It's ridiculous to expect Apple, or any other company, to come up with some radically different phone design: a comfortable rectangular shape, with an emphasis on that big, beautiful screen. No one wants a round phone, or one that's as wide as it is tall. Complaining about a lack of innovation in basic phone design is like complaining about all wheels looking similar."

-Someone should probably try telling this to Apple's patent lawyers.

I like the new ios6, it has increased my battery life for my iPad. I know it has only been one day but I have noticed my battery is lasting a bit longer.

belto said,
I like the new ios6, it has increased my battery life for my iPad. I know it has only been one day but I have noticed my battery is lasting a bit longer.

It's a little like Snow Leopard, or Windows 7; at first glance it looks a lot like what came before it, but there's a lot of really nice under the hood optimisation, and some nice usability changes to boot.

Samsung could just pull the rug out from under Apple and stop supplying parts to them. I would do that if that wacko judge upheld the $3 billion fine...

I agree there's nothing wrong with iPhone 5 or IOS 6. But does it deserve a record sales in the market with the options we have now? Not by a long shot. I won't make the mistake of comparing specs; some OS's work very efficiently with low processors, such as WP7.5, others like Android need quad processors to get similar performance. All I care is that the phone is snappy, never slows down, has good battery life. In that respect most new phones are equal. But then it is about the features. People mock Microsoft (a thing promoted and exploited by Apple) even when Microsoft never mocked or used dirty tactics before. They made their mistakes, but they are correcting them. What Microsoft is doing lately is big, well designed, in a bold new direction that can finally bring the same UI to every form factor from a smartphone to a big screen tv, used with touch, keyboard, mouse or movement. It has merits and we want the world to give them a chance. Same with Nokia: mocked because they lost market after they were leaders, but the Lumia 920 camera is technologically superior to anything made so far in a smartphone. They deserve a chance too. This is about letting the one with most merits win. I've seen WP dismissed for over a year, even in the phone stores the reps would not recommend based on ludicrous arguments regarding hardware specs, which don't apply since WP is optimized for lower specs, or number of apps (a lot of them crap), when you don't even need them because WP integrates in the OS the most used features. It was even confused with Windows Mobile and even accused of being prone to viruses or BSOD. That was unfair. And it was Apple that promoted this. So now if they don't deliver then they will be criticized and mocked with the same strength they mocked their competitors. They got it deserved. Macs and iPhones have merits on their own, they didn't have to used scare tactics and mockery to compete, especially when this competitor has favored Apple with products like Office, which kept Macs alive when they were in trouble.

hilmart said,

Processor:
iPhone 5 : Dual core 1000 MHz
Samsung Galaxy S III : Quad Core 1400 MHz

Screen:
iPhone 5 : 4" IPS LCD - 640 x 1136
Samsung Galaxy S III : 4.8" Super AMOLED - 720 x 1280 - Scratch-resistant glass

Storage:
iPhone 5 : 16GB
Samsung Galaxy S III : 32GB (microSD, microSDHC, microSDXC up to 64 GB)

Front Camera:
iPhone 5: 1.2 megapixels
Samsung Galaxy S III: 1.9 megapixels

The Samsung Galaxy S III even has a HDMI connector for TV-out (via microUSB).

The Samsung Galaxy S III is by far the better phone. Apple never invents anything, they simply steal ideas and advertise it to idiots who aren't tech friendly, that's what I hate most about them.


Dude, seriously, who cares about HDMI ports on a phone? People have lost common sense. A phone is a phone and its meant to be used as such. it is not meant to be used as an HDTV, a gaming console, much less a computer. All these bells and whistles on the phones are little luxuries to make our lives a little easier but by no means is meant to replace the original devices that do the work these phones try to do. In the end, they are just phones. People are always whining and complaining that their precious Samsung quad core or their dual core iPhone battery dies too fast, well most of those people that are always whining and complaining spend most if their time on the web, on Facebook or playing games on their phone, so yes, I can see why they have battery issues. My iPhone battery lasts me all day long, but why? Because I don't do anything stupid like that with it. This is not a computer or gaming console, it's a phone. Phone calls, text messages and email. That's it.

And for those of you living Samsung's latest quad-core creature, remember this: the more CPU power, the more energy the battery looses, so enjoy your power-hungry quad-core beast.

Scorbing said,

And for those of you living Samsung's latest quad-core creature, remember this: the more CPU power, the more energy the battery looses, so enjoy your power-hungry quad-core beast.

Yup, that's why successive generations of CPUs with more processing power have lower power consumption - the A6 is faster than they A5 so it's more battery hungry right? The S3 has a fifth core which is very low power when it's idle and unless you're using all four main cores the power envelope isn't necessarily worse (ignoring architectural/process improvements that can low power consumption as well). It's nonsensical to make sweeping statements like that in the fact of, well, facts.

Scorbing said,

Dude, seriously, who cares about HDMI ports on a phone? People have lost common sense. A phone is a phone and its meant to be used as such. it is not meant to be used as an HDTV

SMARTPHONE is the right word. because for a phone, everybody could buy one for $40, a slim one, durable and long lasting.

There is nothing wrong with this editorial, or Apple. Really there is not... :-)
Apple has great products but they now have even more competition. If (could be a big ‘if' ) WP8 gets significant market penetration then we may have a really good three way race. And maybe if RIM pulls a rabbit out of its hat it maybe be 4 (not holding breathe..). At any rate good for us consumers!!
However when you take maybe an alternative look at Apple's competitive landscape we may be see a few interesting things:
Apple has basically 4 products that do really well. iPad, iPhone, iTouch and iPod are really good products and are fueled by a really good app store. But what happens if either say the iPad/iPhone product lines begin to feel more significant competitive pressure or sales begin to slow or these products begin to really commoditize, which seems quite possible. Unless they continue to hold an innovation advantage they could really start to feel the pressure (maybe already are from Android), stagnate and begin to weaken their market share. So the point is to encourage Apple to innovate and not stand still and we as consumers should take them to task when they try to make all sparkly, what could be considered, pedestrian in current mobile device terms (yes the iPhone 5 is not a huge bump in innovation and loses some ground in features to the current batch of phones we are seeing).
The other possible interesting thing to watch is Apple pulling services away from competitors. Bye-bye Google maps, hello Apple/TomTom.. Stuff like this pulls Apple away from its core competency and could act as a considerable distraction moving forward. As Apple has to pull service dependencies from competitors (e.g. maps, search and infrastructure) and stand on its own more for these types of services we will see how they fair. Apple has not been known for great software outside of their core competency (i.e. consumer devices).
For now Apple has a great product but if they rest on their laurels they will get driven into the ground. It's almost a given in the tech industry. So dammit do better Apple!! We expect better from you on a major new release!!

I agree with the end : the good phone is the one you like to use. I have no problem with Apple success, maybe but a little with the way they get people "love" them and their devices. The problem for me is not the device, it's the market. The market is device centric. So, when a company plans to release a service or an app, they only consider the stronger market share device... or the over-mediatised one, puting all others in a fragile position.
First there was the web, the goal was to make it the same for everyone, for every browser or computer. But now there's the "apps", and there are not really for everybody.
It's a pity, each devices company try to get their device the only one, it should be better to considers a Platform cross company point of view but Apple is an egotist player, so I feel concerned with their success cause it mean one device/one point of view/ one data access, and one company to rule them all.

I'm a Windows enthousiast User, I never wanted Windows to be the only one OS. I have always worked this way. As I never wanted my website to be only for IE (even when it wasn't really a problem) (but good with IE too, and not only Chrome). I want to keep using Windows Phone without asking me if it's a good choice due to market support. I say that but I don't have to complain about apps on Windows Phone, I dont care about Instagram at all. I first own an iPhone in 2007 and I do on my Windows Phone almost 99% of what I was doing with my iPhone first.
PS : Sorry for my English, as many say here, and as for a lot of people here too, English is not my first language (but I try).

For the better part of 18 years, Windows has relied on the same basic UI scheme, made up of a multi-windowed desktop paradigm, and defined by the start menu. From Windows 95 to Windows 7 (and yes, to an extent, to Windows 8), the basic functionality has stayed the same.
Well since no one is talking about functionality that's a dumb argument. Yes, iOS could do a much better job at notifications (aside from what they STOLE from Google) and methods of controlling the phone itself. Still it's not about the functionality. It's about how it looks.

Over those 18 years I could look at ANY version of Windows and know instantly which version it was. iOS? Not a chance. Hell, you can barely look at the iPhone and tell which model it is (specifically between the original, 3G, and 3GS. And the 4 and 4S, partially including the 5).

why are you worried about how the iPhone works

It is a metric of non-fan reaction to a product that is important. The up in arms non-fans are about a product, the more chance it has at success.

It is a basic principle of psychology that when people see a threat, they react.

The iPhone5 and iOS6 has generated far less 'response' than previous versions. Right now, WP8 is generating more 'reaction' than the iPhone or Android.

Whether non-fans would admit it to themselves or not, it comes down to an subconscious or hidden knowing of a product's success that they see as a threat to the success of their favored product. It is this perception of a threat that moves them to respond and act out towards the 'threatening' product.

Head over to Engadget (Neowin is less reflective of the general user spectrum), and notice the number of responses to an article, and the passion in those responses that are contrary or reject the product.

A high hit article with a back and forth exchange is a quick metric of how successful that product will be and how much impact it will have on the market with potential to replace the current products.


Note to author:
Be careful not to make generalizations about OS technological changes, especially when they do not differentiate what aspect of the technology is in reference. There have been many changes in UI and non-UI aspects of the OSes you mention directly.

Some examples:
WM6 to WP7
The UI and upper application framework is completely different. The kernel technology is the same as WinCE from the late 1990s. So in terms of development model and user interface, it was a massive change from WM6 to WP7. However, as a OS engineer would note, there is little kernel differences, especially with WM6 and WP7 having the same WinCE6.x variant kernel with some RC portions of WinCE7.x

System 1..9 - OS X
Here we find the opposite of the previous comparison. The underlying kernel and frameworks changed, but the evolution of framework and the user interface have changed very little. Sure OS X added the dock, but the base UI principles have not changed. The UI still uses the Menu Bar as the main item of user interaction. There are many additional base usability and UI similarities between the 1984 Mac and OS X that are fundamental to operating the OS.

Is this good or bad? Both. Users like the comfort of what to expect, but it also has retarded the progression of UIs and GUIs specifically. Having the main OS point of interaction still centered around the menu bar is archaic. The concept of Menus are not even a GUI concept, as they were designed for 'character' based interfaces to provide a list of 'commands/words' that are too numerous to memorize and won't fit on the screen. Menus have NOTHING to do with the GUI principles, but was a quick fix to get a lot of commands in the UI.


Windows 3.1 to 95
This had both an updated 32bit micro-kernel and new UI model. However, the kernel was a limited progression from the 16bit/32bit 3.11 kernel.

Windows 95 to 7
This is where a product is being conflated. Windows 95 and Windows 7 are two entire different OSes. The UI resembling itself is just like the System 1...9 to OS X argument. The UI didn't change much; however, the OS did.


It is hard to make sweeping generalizations, even if you restrict it to base technology or UI. Even if your article seems to be focusing on the UI, it fails to use the 'change' generalization in the first example of WM6 to WP7.

The XBox 360 is another product that also fails your generalizations and your argument against 'change'. It is a 7 year old product that has had three distinct and separate UI models that users have been receptive, and it also has changed base functionality three times in the 7 years it has existed.


Previous patterns that are based on a lack of technology is different from a pattern that purposely stays with an an aged UI concept.

Sometimes the 'same' can be augmented with new. Take the focus on on Icons and the staple that icons are in a GUI.

Now look at a UI that people do not associate with Icons and notice the failed connection.

Live Tiles in WP7 are essentially just dynamic Icons. And beyond the widgets, Android is 100% dependent on Icons and a grid of icons just like iOS.

So icons are just fine and simple as you suggest, but evolving them is not a bad thing.

Dynamic icons are something Apple should be embracing instead of being afraid to take on the WP7 similarity.

I think the issue here is more to do with Apple trying to make every mundane feature sound like "Apple Magic" that no one else has ever even thought of, let alone done before (When that is rarely, if ever, the case...).

Honestly, they set themselves up for this.

I was just going to post about how hard Apple Maps suck but it seems like most people know already how bad they are.

This article is clearly biased.

I just love readin NeoWin sometimes. It's amazing how passionately everyone HATES here. I don't think anyone really loves anything ... they just HATE ... hate on everything. iOS, Android, Windows ... whatever ... the majority of people will spread their hate. NeoWin is a hate site. lol.

I never had the guts to come out and say it Spirit Dave, but... *shuffles around with foot while looking at the floor* I love you!

Spirit Dave said,
I just love readin NeoWin sometimes. It's amazing how passionately everyone HATES here. I don't think anyone really loves anything ... they just HATE ... hate on everything. iOS, Android, Windows ... whatever ... the majority of people will spread their hate. NeoWin is a hate site. lol.

I LOVE Google Maps. They just work. Most points of interest are on there and in the correct place with a wealth of information, including store opening hours where available.

I HATE Apple Maps. They're missing POIs, POIs and towns, villages are in the wrong place, POIs are shown as being in water, there are POIs listed that closed down 50 years ago, they've labelled tube stations and rail stations in London with the same icon so it's impossible to differentiate between the two, the navigation is not as good, sometimes leading you on a ridiculous route.

When Apple takes the former and replaces it with the latter, you better believe I'm going to kick off about it. Maps is something I rely on and they've completely stuffed it up.

Nobody is just going to post about the great stuff when they've made an overwhelming f**k up.

Spirit Dave said,
I just love readin NeoWin sometimes. It's amazing how passionately everyone HATES here. I don't think anyone really loves anything ... they just HATE ... hate on everything. iOS, Android, Windows ... whatever ... the majority of people will spread their hate. NeoWin is a hate site. lol.

haters gonna hate.
also this isn't a hate site, it's just that people are getting fed up of everything that Apple says (reality distorcion field) or does (patent troll).

At last, I'm assured someone in Neowin can write about the way things truly are. I have already shared similar opinion with another community [Android] a while ago and the heat got my thread closed. I'm an Android user myself but wouldn't call myself a fan of anything.

"Now that we've got that out of the way, what about the UI? Yes, iOS is using a similar UI to what it was using in 2007. And guess what: there's nothing wrong with that, either."

Please tell that to user "Dot Matrix" and Microsoft that there wasn't anything wrong with Windows 7 UI either.

"with occasional visual overhauls to keep things fresh"

I'm sorry but in Application Development a visual overhauls happens for any reasons other than keeping things "fresh". In this case, Windows 8, had overhauls to bring it in line with its variation [Windows 7] which at the time failed to gain any significant market share. How Microsoft decided it was wise to port it to their significant platform is really beyond me.

"I'm just saying that it's just unreasonable to expect a drastic overhaul or a head-turning innovation with every single update, no matter who it's coming from."

Thank you. Are you reading this Microsoft?

While they could do more for the tablet version, the phone version is fine. I've rarely been bothered by the UI. It doesn't do fancy tricks, it's just quick and easy to use. An operating system shouldn't try to wow me, it should just help me do what I want efficiently. IMO iOS is good for that.

For tablets I do feel that some things are implemented better, like multitasking and the split screen options on some.

LaXu said,
While they could do more for the tablet version, the phone version is fine. I've rarely been bothered by the UI. It doesn't do fancy tricks, it's just quick and easy to use. An operating system shouldn't try to wow me, it should just help me do what I want efficiently. IMO iOS is good for that.

For tablets I do feel that some things are implemented better, like multitasking and the split screen options on some.

Amen

ios maps is awful, look at this: http://i.imgur.com/MyWGT.jpg

as for the iphone 5 it has: poor battery life compared to the competition, relatively poor camera compared to the competition, no micro sd slot, no removable battery, no nfc, lower resolution and screen size than competition, you need a propriatory connection for the phone instead of micro usb. The list could go on for ages. Iphone 5 is an inferior phone in many ways to the competition so saying there's nothing wrong with it shows that neowin was paid for this article. Just like the post neowin did saying windows 8 haters are stupid a few days back, clearly MS paid you for that too.

omgben said,
The removable battery and micro sd slot bit got played out years ago, and it's not like it's hindering the iPhone's sales any.

Of course it is hindering sales, loads of people would love to buy a 32gb micro sd card and an iphone as they have large music collections.

iOS 6 is indeed fine (except for the new Maps app, which is anything but fine). But fine is not enough to stay competitive. Apple can drift on the good will it has with it's user base for the moment (and probably for a few years) but that won't last forever.

The iPhone 5 seems like a solid safe choice for a lot of people. But an exciting and interesting product, it is not. If they can't at the very least keep up with Android and WP8 with the next iOS/iPhone release then they could find themselves on a similar path to RIM.

Not an Apple fan by any means, and my last 4 phones have been Android devices, but it must be nice to have one single UI.

It's familiar, and it's part of the iPhone experience. Why change it?

If everyone settled for the 'If it works then don't fix it" attitude then we would still be using a Nokia 3310! The point of technology is that it advances. What Apple have done is kept iOS and the iPhone almost the same every year without adding anything revolutionary.

I hope there is a day when people realise that Apple is not worth spending the money on as there are so many other products that are significantly better and don't cost as much!

Razerblade said,
If everyone settled for the 'If it works then don't fix it" attitude then we would still be using a Nokia 3310! The point of technology is that it advances. What Apple have done is kept iOS and the iPhone almost the same every year without adding anything revolutionary.

I hope there is a day when people realise that Apple is not worth spending the money on as there are so many other products that are significantly better and don't cost as much!


Why is everyone so focussed on 'revolutionary'... not every new phone version can be revolutionary. I'm no iPhone fan, not at all. But the iPhone 5 is a decent improvement over the 4S. Be it not the best. But considering how well the 4S ran... phones don't need unlimited power. Desktops/Laptops have already reached the ceiling of minimum requirements for almost everything. i.e. a dualcore 3ghz + with 4GB ram is more then plenty for 95% of desktop/laptop users and still able to play many recent games. And we hit that mark even before Vista was around and thats over 6 years ago! And phones are getting closer to this ceiling of power aswell.
MS showed you don't need lotsa resources to have a fast, smooth and powerfull phone.

And the thing is, iPhone's have never really been revolutionary.
Pretty much anything the first iPhone had, Windows Mobile already had this aswell.

Jeez this rant is embarrassing. The **** actually says he doesn't want Apple to develop some "half-assed ripoff of Live Tiles". Nobody does. The point is that Apple didn't. Microsoft did. Nokia have them in their phone. Apple hasn't innovated a single feature since the original iPhone.

Can someone please tell me which feature is any iPhone since version 1.0 was developed by Apple? There aren't any. They simply bought some nice stuff from Samsung then sued Samsung for copying them. Their software is as dull drab aweful and boring as it was when they first introduced rows and columns of icons switches.

Your audience is against you by about 75:1 by my reckoning.

You a right.

The phone is a fine, powerful piece of hardware following the same evolution rule that Apple set with previous iterations.

Meanwhile, you have to admit that on the software side, the evolution is slightly less impressive.

Finally, to be fair, you have to admit the presence of clear regressions. The new mapping application, for example, is significantly worse than the previous version. Thanks to the cold war with Google.

I can't be bothered by how a company advertises its products, as long as the product just works for the tasks I want it to do. And that's a point this article tries to make.
If it's too expensive, don't buy it. If you don't like it, look further. Nothing's perfect. We don't need to reinvent the wheel, if it works, it works.

I've got a Symbian phone and I never regretted buying it.

Robisoft said,
I can't be bothered by how a company advertises its products, as long as the product just works for the tasks I want it to do. And that's a point this article tries to make.
If it's too expensive, don't buy it. If you don't like it, look further. Nothing's perfect. We don't need to reinvent the wheel, if it works, it works.

I've got a Symbian phone and I never regretted buying it.


Im still on symbian too 6310i from 2004 or something
Been waiting for a proper replacement, Lumia's seem awesome but wanted to wait untill WP8 as i'm sure it'll be a gamechanger. WP7 was already a gamechanger (albeit not really much)

There is something very wrong with iOS 6. Apple Maps suck. Hard. It's unbelievably bad. Not getting an iPhone 5 until this is fixed.

a0me said,
There is something very wrong with iOS 6. Apple Maps suck. Hard. It's unbelievably bad. Not getting an iPhone 5 until this is fixed.
What's wrong with it? I only ask because it works on my iPhone, iPad, and iPod Touch.

ILikeTobacco said,
What's wrong with it? I only ask because it works on my iPhone, iPad, and iPod Touch.

Everything's wrong. Road and locations are inaccurate, stations and buildings are mostly absent from maps, search sucks, satellite imagery is atrocious (quick example: http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/iphonech/imgs/b/b/bb857752-s.jpg), no Street View, misspellings galore, entire cities are missing, navigation is broken, etc...

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media...-4a44-9d2f-a4dab5f290cb.jpg
https://discussions.apple.com/message/19640899
https://discussions.apple.com/...311003?start=0&tstart=0
http://forums.macrumors.com/sh...ad.php?t=1446437&page=4

ILikeTobacco said,
What's wrong with it? I only ask because it works on my iPhone, iPad, and iPod Touch.

Yeah, "works" as in "it loads".

The map data is incomplete. A quick Google search will yield dozens of screenshots of empty land with no roads listed, or no buildings listed, or no satellite photos - all in places where Google Maps had complete information.

Not only that, navigation is busted. There is no way on a 4S or 5 to step forward/backward during navigation (it only advances when it detects you have moved). The bookmarks/contact button was removed in Directions. The public transport option doesn't work.

There are lots of reasons why it isn't as good as the old iOS 5 Google Maps.

Looking at the comments recently Neowin's become sad apple hating troll hangout these days.

This is a fine article presenting a balanced view yet the apple haters jump straight in.

bobbba said,
Looking at the comments recently Neowin's become sad apple hating troll hangout these days.

This is a fine article presenting a balanced view yet the apple haters jump straight in.


We are not Trolls, we get involved with the trend of technology. The iPhone is nowhere near as trendy as most tech today. That is why we stomp on Apple these days. Hopefully Apple one day will see outside the box. And hopefully by then their inovation light will light up.

jesseinsf said,

We are not Trolls, we get involved with the trend of technology. The iPhone is nowhere near as trendy as most tech today. That is why we stomp on Apple these days. Hopefully Apple one day will see outside the box. And hopefully by then their inovation light will light up.

I didn't know being trendy matter. I always thought that was a bad thing.

jesseinsf said,

We are not Trolls, we get involved with the trend of technology. The iPhone is nowhere near as trendy as most tech today. That is why we stomp on Apple these days. Hopefully Apple one day will see outside the box. And hopefully by then their inovation light will light up.
Which happens to make you trolls. Especially since you spend all that time complaining because you think people only buy it because its hip and trendy, not because its a phone.

SpyderCanopus said,
Was at least expecting the use home-screen in landscape mode. I'm very bored with iPhone after just 2 years.

Would that really improve the experience enough to make you want it over any other device?

LOL. This whole article is like 'Wah, I want it, it's still good. Even if it does what the last iPhone does'.

And the attempts at justifying the purchase are just incredible.
No other OS changes its UI? Uh, actually, Windows changes its UI every single release. Mac OS changes it every release (9->X and even some point updates). Android changes it almost every release. Symbian has changed it every release.

No, we're not talking about turning the thing in to a damn circle. Just make it fresher. Peppier. People's tastes change. Just cause your shirt from the '70s still fits and was 'cool back then', doesn't mean you should wear it now.

Note: WM6 -> WP7 completely changed its UI but that's not what anyone is suggesting.

Spot on!! it's the sound of defeat. If the situation is reverse such as Samsung < iPhone, this article would've sound different.

IMO, window phone 7 or even 8 was to counter the UI presently in iPhone.

Sacha said,
LOL. This whole article is like 'Wah, I want it, it's still good. Even if it does what the last iPhone does'.

And the attempts at justifying the purchase are just incredible.
No other OS changes its UI? Uh, actually, Windows changes its UI every single release. Mac OS changes it every release (9->X and even some point updates). Android changes it almost every release. Symbian has changed it every release.

No, we're not talking about turning the thing in to a damn circle. Just make it fresher. Peppier. People's tastes change. Just cause your shirt from the '70s still fits and was 'cool back then', doesn't mean you should wear it now.

Note: WM6 -> WP7 completely changed its UI but that's not what anyone is suggesting.

Sacha said,

No other OS changes its UI? Uh, actually, Windows changes its UI every single release. Mac OS changes it every release (9->X and even some point updates). Android changes it almost every release. Symbian has changed it every release.

They change the visual look, not the UI. A different scroll bar does not a new UI make. Windows and OS X still use the same UI they've used for years, as far as where everything is at and what does what, even if they have evolved in terms of visual design. And Mac OS 9 and OS X are as different as iOS and Android

What a load of guff - people are disappointed with iOS 6 because it's a major version with really only minor updates. I mean "yay" for fixing bugs but the "new features" are pretty naff (iPad 3 here) and feel better suited to a point revision. Software wise Apple is standing still - and as much as you might not think widgets are a good idea obviously a lot of other people do (on Android and WP) because having to open an app for basic information is just, well, unnecessary. iOS, now with an icon grid. Still. wow. Meanwhile on Android (GNexus/N7 here) we see big UI changes per major version - google are innovating and so are MS (who'd of thought?) - with 4.1 being as slick as iOS but with far better implementations (notifications are better handled, task switching is great, I don't need to reboot the device or use a task killer like my iPad 3 because it 'gets freaky after a while'). I like my iPad for a whole host of reasons but I'm perfectly able to compare it to my android devices (and look at WP) without being 'religious' - how absurd.

I love how the first three comments still are bitchy cat calls despite how reasonable this post is. Lol. I loved it. Not an iPhone guy because it bores me but I can see why people love it. Can't hate.

seebaran said,
I love how the first three comments still are bitchy cat calls despite how reasonable this post is. Lol. I loved it. Not an iPhone guy because it bores me but I can see why people love it. Can't hate.

Actually we all are bitchy cats if we have to respond to other bitchy cats.

jesseinsf said,

Actually we all are bitchy cats if we have to respond to other bitchy cats.

i love a cat fight but not THIS cat fight.

There's something wrong. It just doesn't compete with 2012.
Social network integration is a joke (adding a share widget is not integration). It's not useful.
The price is ridiculus. The screen is ridiculus for its price ( I'm talking about pixels only )

There's nothing wrong with iPhone. It's price is wrong.

manosdoc said,

Social network integration is a joke (adding a share widget is not integration). It's not useful.

You've not used it then have you? It's quite useful, reminds me of the Android widgets I used to have.

jbrooksuk said,

You've not used it then have you? It's quite useful, reminds me of the Android widgets I used to have.

I own both an iPhone 4, and a HTC Trophy. Saying integration is such a lie, because it's just a widget. Nothing is integrated throughout the entire OS. Even the contacts "Unification" is so ugly each day that passes I wait the day Windows Phone 8 phones get to the market to sell my iPhone. Can't stand it anymore.

jbrooksuk said,

You've not used it then have you? It's quite useful, reminds me of the Android widgets I used to have.

That's the problem. It's like it's just now catching up to Android of last year, while the competition has much better integration that leaves iPhone looking like a boring slab of dead icons.

Enron said,
iOS just looks and feels kind of... obsolete.

It's perfectly fine how it is. You don't like it there are plenty of other choices; WP, Android, BB etc. You can't please everyone, that is why choice exists :-)

for those with ADD sure you may be bored of it, when you use something becasue it fills a need, boring/unboring no longer applies

Enron said,
iOS just looks and feels kind of... obsolete.

My pain point with iPhone is the hardware. I'm not paying $1200 for it when I can get one just as good, if not better, for $300 less.

I love the iOS. Personally, I think Samsungs hardware + Apples OS == Perfect phone.

k776 said,
My pain point with iPhone is the hardware. I'm not paying $1200 for it when I can get one just as good, if not better, for $300 less.

I love the iOS. Personally, I think Samsungs hardware + Apples OS == Perfect phone.

You cannot buy a phone as good as the iPhone for $300. You can buy a phone with some other features ... but better? No. Worse screen, cheap plastic body, bad design (the GS3 isn't exactly a work of art is it?), and a butchered OS version that ruins a great OS by Google.

Spirit Dave said,

You cannot buy a phone as good as the iPhone for $300. You can buy a phone with some other features ... but better? No. Worse screen, cheap plastic body, bad design (the GS3 isn't exactly a work of art is it?), and a butchered OS version that ruins a great OS by Google.

That's a matter of opinion. I know I can find phones around here for $300 that are better than the iPhone. It'll take a little work getting to that price but it's doable. Plus they said $300 less not $300. I don't know where they're getting their iPhone for $1200, that's just crazy. Although it would still be crazy at $300 less too.

He said 300$ LESS than the iPhone.

Worse screen ? It's bigger and beautiful if you ask me. I bought a DPU case so even if the plastic would be an issue, I don't see it nor feel it.

As for the butchered OS you clear have no idea what a ROM is. I've been running JellyBean with a bunch of tweaks and optimization for more than a month. Lookup CM10 or AOKP.

Spirit Dave said,

You cannot buy a phone as good as the iPhone for $300. You can buy a phone with some other features ... but better? No. Worse screen, cheap plastic body, bad design (the GS3 isn't exactly a work of art is it?), and a butchered OS version that ruins a great OS by Google.

xplatinum said,
He said 300$ LESS than the iPhone.

Worse screen ? It's bigger and beautiful if you ask me. I bought a DPU case so even if the plastic would be an issue, I don't see it nor feel it.

As for the butchered OS you clear have no idea what a ROM is. I've been running JellyBean with a bunch of tweaks and optimization for more than a month. Lookup CM10 or AOKP.

I have every idea what a ROM is. But does 95% of Samsung or HTC's market? No. But since you seem to think it's acceptable to have to install this stuff on your phone to bring it back to normality, good for you. For the majority of consumers this isn't the case. Even my Mum was getting angry and Samsung's limitations last night on her Galaxy phone.

And you have no idea what makes a screen. 'Bigger and beautiful'... hmm... what phone? Because none of the Samsung phones on the market have the vibrancy and brightness as an iPhone 4, let alone a 5. And you can't argue that. It's fact. They phyiscally aren't capable of displaying it. Believe me. Here's a great one ... I put #ffffff into my layout code and sat my phones (Samsung S3 etc) next to my iPhone 4 ... and not one of Samsung's phones showed the white as white. Full brightness. They showed as light grey. Now, it's not too noticable when you're sitting looking at the phone on it's own. But the second you put it next to an iPhone, the difference is vast. Very clear, and very obvious. I'm afraid, your (if you indeed have a Samsung) phone doesn't have as 'beautiful' a display as Apple's two year old phone. Bigger? Sure. Better? Not on your life.

Spirit Dave said,

I have every idea what a ROM is. But does 95% of Samsung or HTC's market? No. But since you seem to think it's acceptable to have to install this stuff on your phone to bring it back to normality, good for you. For the majority of consumers this isn't the case. Even my Mum was getting angry and Samsung's limitations last night on her Galaxy phone.

Funny, because a lot of folk jailbreak their devices (I did) just to get functionality that is standard on Android. I agree, that's unacceptable

all phones on the same playing feild cost roughly the same

k776 said,
My pain point with iPhone is the hardware. I'm not paying $1200 for it when I can get one just as good, if not better, for $300 less.

I love the iOS. Personally, I think Samsungs hardware + Apples OS == Perfect phone.

k776 said,
My pain point with iPhone is the hardware. I'm not paying $1200 for it when I can get one just as good, if not better, for $300 less.

I love the iOS. Personally, I think Samsungs hardware + Apples OS == Perfect phone.

buy a second handed phone.

I personally i am thinking to buy an used galaxy s2 for a cheap. I really don't need a s3 or a iphone 5, specially since i don't need so much power without a qwerty keyboard or/and a build in joypad.

Apple got nothing on android or Samsung for that matter.. You can clearly see they feel threatened by Samsung, hence taking them back to court! Freaking greedy pricks.

Shame Apple shame *spit*

Atari.2600 said,
Apple got nothing on android or Samsung for that matter.. You can clearly see they feel threatened by Samsung, hence taking them back to court! Freaking greedy pricks.

Shame Apple shame *spit*

Grow up. Samsung's TouchWiz crap is an ugly rip off of Apple's conventions in too many respects. It's a grotesque bolt on to a beautifully created OS by Google that does it's best to stand on it's own two feet. What you're doing is here is basically shovelling moronic insults for the sake of it. If you think for one second that Samsung make higher quality products, you have serious problems. They put out lower grade hardware than Apple by far. They put a crappy bolt on to an OS that someone else made. They do nothing but ruin their own phones by insisting on their ludicrous branding crap. And on top of an average quality phone, that's an insult to their own customers. It's disgraceful that blind comments like yours even exist. I work with these phones all day every day, and I can assure you, what I'm saying is truth. And based on factual experience, not fanboy BS.

Spirit Dave said,

Grow up. Samsung's TouchWiz crap is an ugly rip off of Apple's conventions in too many respects. It's a grotesque bolt on to a beautifully created OS by Google that does it's best to stand on it's own two feet. What you're doing is here is basically shovelling moronic insults for the sake of it. If you think for one second that Samsung make higher quality products, you have serious problems. They put out lower grade hardware than Apple by far. They put a crappy bolt on to an OS that someone else made. They do nothing but ruin their own phones by insisting on their ludicrous branding crap. And on top of an average quality phone, that's an insult to their own customers. It's disgraceful that blind comments like yours even exist. I work with these phones all day every day, and I can assure you, what I'm saying is truth. And based on factual experience, not fanboy BS.


Actually both of you should grow up.

Spirit Dave said,

Grow up. Samsung's TouchWiz crap is an ugly rip off of Apple's conventions in too many respects. It's a grotesque bolt on to a beautifully created OS by Google that does it's best to stand on it's own two feet. What you're doing is here is basically shovelling moronic insults for the sake of it. If you think for one second that Samsung make higher quality products, you have serious problems. They put out lower grade hardware than Apple by far. They put a crappy bolt on to an OS that someone else made. They do nothing but ruin their own phones by insisting on their ludicrous branding crap. And on top of an average quality phone, that's an insult to their own customers. It's disgraceful that blind comments like yours even exist. I work with these phones all day every day, and I can assure you, what I'm saying is truth. And based on factual experience, not fanboy BS.

Processor:
iPhone 5 : Dual core 1000 MHz
Samsung Galaxy S III : Quad Core 1400 MHz

Screen:
iPhone 5 : 4" IPS LCD - 640 x 1136
Samsung Galaxy S III : 4.8" Super AMOLED - 720 x 1280 - Scratch-resistant glass

Storage:
iPhone 5 : 16GB
Samsung Galaxy S III : 32GB (microSD, microSDHC, microSDXC up to 64 GB)

Front Camera:
iPhone 5: 1.2 megapixels
Samsung Galaxy S III: 1.9 megapixels

The Samsung Galaxy S III even has a HDMI connector for TV-out (via microUSB).

The Samsung Galaxy S III is by far the better phone. Apple never invents anything, they simply steal ideas and advertise it to idiots who aren't tech friendly, that's what I hate most about them.

hilmart said,

Processor:
iPhone 5 : Dual core 1000 MHz
Samsung Galaxy S III : Quad Core 1400 MHz

Screen:
iPhone 5 : 4" IPS LCD - 640 x 1136
Samsung Galaxy S III : 4.8" Super AMOLED - 720 x 1280 - Scratch-resistant glass

Storage:
iPhone 5 : 16GB
Samsung Galaxy S III : 32GB (microSD, microSDHC, microSDXC up to 64 GB)

Front Camera:
iPhone 5: 1.2 megapixels
Samsung Galaxy S III: 1.9 megapixels

The Samsung Galaxy S III even has a HDMI connector for TV-out (via microUSB).

The Samsung Galaxy S III is by far the better phone. Apple never invents anything, they simply steal ideas and advertise it to idiots who aren't tech friendly, that's what I hate most about them.

Oh dear. You miss the point of what makes a good phone. Big time.

hilmart said,

Processor:
iPhone 5 : Dual core 1000 MHz
Samsung Galaxy S III : Quad Core 1400 MHz

Screen:
iPhone 5 : 4" IPS LCD - 640 x 1136
Samsung Galaxy S III : 4.8" Super AMOLED - 720 x 1280 - Scratch-resistant glass

Storage:
iPhone 5 : 16GB
Samsung Galaxy S III : 32GB (microSD, microSDHC, microSDXC up to 64 GB)

Front Camera:
iPhone 5: 1.2 megapixels
Samsung Galaxy S III: 1.9 megapixels

The Samsung Galaxy S III even has a HDMI connector for TV-out (via microUSB).

The Samsung Galaxy S III is by far the better phone. Apple never invents anything, they simply steal ideas and advertise it to idiots who aren't tech friendly, that's what I hate most about them.

Thank you for sharing your opinion. It's also nice of you to base a phone's superiority on a spec sheet (as if it matters to most people), while the rest of the world has moved on. Also, yeah, there are some things that Apple hasn't invented that they use, and yet the same thing can be said about the company you're trying to defend...Samsung.

Spirit Dave said,

If you think for one second that Samsung make higher quality products, you have serious problems. They put out lower grade hardware than Apple by far.

This is funny. Apple uses Samsung hardware in the iPhone. Yes, they have begun to order less hardware with the iPhone 5, but that has more to do with their legal battles and the fact that Samsung is their biggest competitor, not due to quality. Your argument is completely baseless.

Spirit Dave said,

Oh dear. You miss the point of what makes a good phone. Big time.


Well some features are important. however Android takes double the resources for the same performance (if not more even) so the CPU/RAM power evens out =p

Dean Wagner said,

This is funny. Apple uses Samsung hardware in the iPhone. Yes, they have begun to order less hardware with the iPhone 5, but that has more to do with their legal battles and the fact that Samsung is their biggest competitor, not due to quality. Your argument is completely baseless.

He's not referring to internal components, the fact is they are designed in the US and engineered to precission. The quality of components, particularly the casing is second to none. That's the simple fact. Apple make good products. Asian companies don't.

hilmart said,

Processor:
iPhone 5 : Dual core 1000 MHz
Samsung Galaxy S III : Quad Core 1400 MHz

Screen:
iPhone 5 : 4" IPS LCD - 640 x 1136
Samsung Galaxy S III : 4.8" Super AMOLED - 720 x 1280 - Scratch-resistant glass

Storage:
iPhone 5 : 16GB
Samsung Galaxy S III : 32GB (microSD, microSDHC, microSDXC up to 64 GB)

Front Camera:
iPhone 5: 1.2 megapixels
Samsung Galaxy S III: 1.9 megapixels

The Samsung Galaxy S III even has a HDMI connector for TV-out (via microUSB).

The Samsung Galaxy S III is by far the better phone. Apple never invents anything, they simply steal ideas and advertise it to idiots who aren't tech friendly, that's what I hate most about them.

Galaxy S3 had a dual core in the US.

Good try with specs bro. This is why android will always be for geeks. NORMAL CONSUMERS don't care about this ****.

on paper, hyundia has a lot better specs then lexus too

hilmart said,

Processor:
iPhone 5 : Dual core 1000 MHz
Samsung Galaxy S III : Quad Core 1400 MHz

Screen:
iPhone 5 : 4" IPS LCD - 640 x 1136
Samsung Galaxy S III : 4.8" Super AMOLED - 720 x 1280 - Scratch-resistant glass

Storage:
iPhone 5 : 16GB
Samsung Galaxy S III : 32GB (microSD, microSDHC, microSDXC up to 64 GB)

Front Camera:
iPhone 5: 1.2 megapixels
Samsung Galaxy S III: 1.9 megapixels

The Samsung Galaxy S III even has a HDMI connector for TV-out (via microUSB).

The Samsung Galaxy S III is by far the better phone. Apple never invents anything, they simply steal ideas and advertise it to idiots who aren't tech friendly, that's what I hate most about them.

hilmart said,

Processor:
iPhone 5 : Dual core 1000 MHz
Samsung Galaxy S III : Quad Core 1400 MHz

Screen:
iPhone 5 : 4" IPS LCD - 640 x 1136
Samsung Galaxy S III : 4.8" Super AMOLED - 720 x 1280 - Scratch-resistant glass

Storage:
iPhone 5 : 16GB
Samsung Galaxy S III : 32GB (microSD, microSDHC, microSDXC up to 64 GB)

Front Camera:
iPhone 5: 1.2 megapixels
Samsung Galaxy S III: 1.9 megapixels

The Samsung Galaxy S III even has a HDMI connector for TV-out (via microUSB).

The Samsung Galaxy S III is by far the better phone. Apple never invents anything, they simply steal ideas and advertise it to idiots who aren't tech friendly, that's what I hate most about them.


Dude, seriously, who cares about HDMI ports on a phone? People have lost common sense. A phone is a phone and its meant to be used as such. it is not meant to be used as an HDTV, a gaming console, much less a computer. All these bells and whistles on the phones are little luxuries to make our lives a little easier but by no means is meant to replace the original devices that do the work these phones try to do. In the end, they are just phones. People are always whining and complaining that their precious Samsung quad core or their dual core iPhone battery dies too fast, well most of those people that are always whining and complaining spend most if their time on the web, on Facebook or playing games on their phone, so yes, I can see why they have battery issues. My iPhone battery lasts me all day long, but why? Because I don't do anything stupid like that with it. This is not a computer or gaming console, it's a phone. Phone calls, text messages and email. That's it.

And for those of you living Samsung's latest quad-core creature, remember this: the more CPU power, the more energy the battery looses, so enjoy your power-hungry quad-core beast.

hilmart said,

Processor:
iPhone 5 : Dual core 1000 MHz
Samsung Galaxy S III : Quad Core 1400 MHz

Screen:
iPhone 5 : 4" IPS LCD - 640 x 1136
Samsung Galaxy S III : 4.8" Super AMOLED - 720 x 1280 - Scratch-resistant glass

Storage:
iPhone 5 : 16GB
Samsung Galaxy S III : 32GB (microSD, microSDHC, microSDXC up to 64 GB)

Front Camera:
iPhone 5: 1.2 megapixels
Samsung Galaxy S III: 1.9 megapixels

The Samsung Galaxy S III even has a HDMI connector for TV-out (via microUSB).

The Samsung Galaxy S III is by far the better phone. Apple never invents anything, they simply steal ideas and advertise it to idiots who aren't tech friendly, that's what I hate most about them.

Ya, that quad core chip of theirs sure helped them win the benchmarks. Oh wait, it didn't.

Anyway, you completely miss the point of the article.

Spirit Dave said,

Oh dear. You miss the point of what makes a good phone. Big time.

Like good reception?. Sheesh, don't forget the "you are holding it wrong".

hilmart said,

Processor:
iPhone 5 : Dual core 1000 MHz
Samsung Galaxy S III : Quad Core 1400 MHz

Where did you the A6 Mhz rating from? Your ass?

Anyway yes the A6 is Dual Core. Thank you for pointing out why its superior.

You do know the A6 spanks the S3 in benchmarks right? Amazing since its only a Dual Core and consumes less power.

JessJess said,

Where did you the A6 Mhz rating from? Your ass?

Anyway yes the A6 is Dual Core. Thank you for pointing out why its superior.

You do know the A6 spanks the S3 in benchmarks right? Amazing since its only a Dual Core and consumes less power.

http://www.extremetech.com/com...-s3-faster-than-the-nexus-7

http://geeknizer.com/wp-conten...s/2012/09/s3-vs-iphone5.jpg

Depends who's doing the testing.. If his a ifan boy of course the iPhone5 will be quicker, Vice versa..

I can also find alot of articles with the Samsung out preforming the iPhone5 also, I don't see your point?

Finally, an article that I agree with. If it works, it works. Don't expect people to change the wheel because it's old - just as you said. It's round because that's the way it works.

jbrooksuk said,
Finally, an article that I agree with. If it works, it works. Don't expect people to change the wheel because it's old - just as you said. It's round because that's the way it works.

all phones work, even the old flip phones work, so what gives? When a phone comes with average spec the same Apple fanatic dismiss it as outdated and a year old hardware but when Apple brings nothing to the table it works.... oh please FO!!!

jbrooksuk said,
Finally, an article that I agree with. If it works, it works. Don't expect people to change the wheel because it's old - just as you said. It's round because that's the way it works.

So why don't you just use a 2 line screened, yellow backlit and fat phone? It worked, quite well in fact. You could call, SMS and turn it on/off within a second! People don't want rehashed crap with the words "New" or "Resolutionary" on it. People wan't stuff that is new, modern and attractive.

As a wise man once said "Stare at a painting for a minute and it may look beautiful, stare at a painting for a year and it won't"

ingramator said,

As a wise man once said "Stare at a painting for a minute and it may look beautiful, stare at a painting for a year and it won't"

How about you get on with your life and stop staring at the wall...

ingramator said,

People wan't stuff that is new, modern and attractive.

The problem is that most people just want something that has apple logo on it.

Quigley Guy said,

How about you get on with your life and stop staring at the wall...

Exactly. WP8 or if you are so inclined Android...

Heartripper said,
Most people i know who owns an apple product. And be careful i said most, not all.

Ever think that maybe they don't want to lose all those apps/games they bought? Or that they have their own reasons for sticking with the platform? Perhaps because they're just happy with it?

I wouldn't expect the few friends I have to switch from Windows Phone if they're happy with it (which most are, just waiting for WP8). Why do people seem to think that if you don't have the latest bleeding edge technology, that you're not being "smart"?

If it works, it works...

dead.cell said,
Why do people seem to think that if you don't have the latest bleeding edge technology, that you're not being "smart"?

I'm talking about those who urge to own every latest apple product for no reason but the apple logo on it. I know not all apple owners are like that.

would be nice if you shut up... No one is taking the new as a religious thing... the way apple presents it self is the problem... they do something that is old and act like its a new tech they invent... just like panorama mode. lmao

benalvino said,
would be nice if you shut up... No one is taking the new as a religious thing... the way apple presents it self is the problem... they do something that is old and act like its a new tech they invent... just like panorama mode. lmao

The Apple "attitude" is probably where the animosity stems from. I think some Windows folk of which I am one, took exception to many of the "lets bring ourselves up (Apple) by tearing Windows (Microsoft) down ads that began way back in the 90's

That attitude has pretty much brought this whole "thing" into what can now only be characterized as sports and teams. Tech is our sport, Microsoft is my team. Not rocket science, and it doesn't matter in the bigger picture, but I love this sport, and I love my team. And when my team does something stupid, I voice my opinion on here, the same as a sports fan would yell at the tv.

benalvino said,
would be nice if you shut up... No one is taking the new as a religious thing... the way apple presents it self is the problem... they do something that is old and act like its a new tech they invent... just like panorama mode. lmao

They never said they invented anything. If you perceiving it that way, that's your problem...

every company in the world does this

benalvino said,
would be nice if you shut up... No one is taking the new as a religious thing... the way apple presents it self is the problem... they do something that is old and act like its a new tech they invent... just like panorama mode. lmao

benalvino said,
would be nice if you shut up... No one is taking the new as a religious thing... the way apple presents it self is the problem... they do something that is old and act like its a new tech they invent... just like panorama mode. lmao

Some people read into everything Apple says or does and mentally insert that attitude, because it's what they expect to hear.

It's like some aspergers thing. Simply uttering the word "Apple" sends some people into a rage.

Astra.Xtreme said,
They never said they invented anything. If you perceiving it that way, that's your problem...

As an example, they've implied Microsoft copied them at an OSX product launch, at which they announced features that already existed in Windows for many years. They sling the mud first, and it sets the precedent. To be fair, the tech industry is a kind, gentle, knuckle-down-and-get-on-with it place once you factor Apple out of the equation.

shao said,

As an example, they've implied Microsoft copied them at an OSX product launch, at which they announced features that already existed in Windows for many years. They sling the mud first, and it sets the precedent. To be fair, the tech industry is a kind, gentle, knuckle-down-and-get-on-with it place once you factor Apple out of the equation.

We're talking about the iPhone 5 though.

Astra.Xtreme said,

We're talking about the iPhone 5 though.

the thread to which i replied was talking about apple's general behavior. Generally though, I think they sling mud because they genuinely think they're right - out of supreme levels of idiocy and naivety mixed with what they consider harmless fun. The problem is, like most people that mock others for inane reasons (read bully), apple (and more often, their loyal fans) also cannot take the 'harmless' prodding when it's done back at them.

case in point. "I'm a PC" ad campaign by Apple, which ran for many years before Microsoft fired back with "Laptop Hunter".. much to anger of most of the Apple fanboy community... if such a thing exists.

The many problems, being discussed on the apple discussion forums, would disagree with you regarding iOS 6

Xenomorph said,

Maps were *destroyed* in iOS 6. I'm not talking about just terrible maps, but the navigation functionality, public transport, etc.

We NEED Google Maps back!!!

Actually, there's this free app called transit that adds a lot of that functionality back. And after spending like 5 minutes to check out how it worked, I actually kinda like it better. My old ****ty transit app works with it too... although I'm gonna ditch it for transit.