This is the file manager app for the modern UI in Windows Blue

Windows Blue has brought many changes to the platform including new apps and customizations, and we now have a better look at the new file manager app for the modern UI.

After discovering the files, it didn’t take much time before the app was up and running by a few ambitious users and now we have our first look at the app. As you would expect, it offers many of the features needed for a file manager and it all appears to be finger friendly.

The app bar along the bottom is where most of the magic happens, and it allows you to complete the basic items such as creating folders and deleting items. While we will wait to judge the product once it hits retail, this will be a good foundation for building the file browser.

Now that Microsoft will be delivering a way to properly manager your hard drive from the modern UI, it has been speculated that on Windows RT, the desktop will eventually go away. While we do not have any further evidence to report at this time, this is a significant step needed to live only in the new Start screen environment.

Thanks for the tip, Windows4live and AngelWZR!

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Looks exactly lik the Skydrive interface which is awesome...nice move on Microsoft's part...can't wait to use it...the old explorer was getting boring....

To be honest, I never really thought that the desktop would be needed in the Surface RT. Mainly because the RT is geared mostly towards a tablet experience and since you can't run any of your own desktop programs, what's the point of having the Desktop there.

All the RT needs is a file browser and a modern version of Office, and then they won't need the desktop anymore.

As for Windows 8, the desktop is here to stay.

Good Guy Internet: finds incomplete alpha feature not ready to be shown to customers.

Rest of the Internet complains "It looks like ****."

#Facepalm

Dot Matrix said,
Good Guy Internet: finds incomplete alpha feature not ready to be shown to customers.

Rest of the Internet complains "It looks like ****."

#Facepalm


I was on the Win95 technical beta programme, and a number of subsequent ones.
In those days, MS released incomplete betas to motivated knowledgeable and interested outsiders, solicited feedback, and took account of it.
And the slogan for Win7 was even "Windows 7 - I invented it"!
Regrettably, those days seem to be gone and MS now just buries its head in the sand so far as feedback is concerned. Here at Neowin you are getting a ton of feedback from people sufficiently motivated to post it, and yet you just facepalm or ignore it. Your loss (and, sadly, ours).

Here at Neowin you are getting a ton of feedback from people sufficiently motivated to post it, and yet you just facepalm or ignore it. Your loss (and, sadly, ours).

You missed his point. This "file manager app" was HIDDEN, it wasn't an open setting for people to see. It's an app in a pre-alpha version of Windows.

No public MS testing program has ever included pre-alpha states of the OS, it's around the time that the OS is half way through it's beta stage that MS releases it to testers / the public.

Hence complaining about it is pretty stupid, but what do you expect this is Neowin. Authors get more money based on how popular their news articles are. And what better to earn money than a flamebait article like this?

gb8080 said,

Regrettably, those days seem to be gone and MS now just buries its head in the sand so far as feedback is concerned.

All the changes seen in Metro so far from the leaked build seems to suggest otherwise.

Dot Matrix said,

All the changes seen in Metro so far from the leaked build seems to suggest otherwise.

Have you read this thread? Or do you "bury your head in the sand" when you see a post you don't agree with?

gb8080 said,

Have you read this thread? Or do you "bury your head in the sand" when you see a post you don't agree with?

So Metro isn't going away. Boo hoo. Microsoft has done a helluva job addressing concerns people have had with the UI since Windows 8 was released. All those changes that have been showcased so far have ALL been requested features by users.

Metro is now a serious productivity tool, that will work across multiple devices. I'd like to see anyone do this with iOS or Android. (HINT: You can't).

Dot Matrix said,

So Metro isn't going away. Boo hoo. Microsoft has done a helluva job addressing concerns people have had with the UI since Windows 8 was released. All those changes that have been showcased so far have ALL been requested features by users.
Metro is now a serious productivity tool, that will work across multiple devices. I'd like to see anyone do this with iOS or Android. (HINT: You can't).

Not asking for it to go away, and not suggesting that a great deal of work hasn't been done.
But it could be so much better, if MS would go the extra mile and address other concerns.
You mention SOME have been addressed, but still ignore the elephant in the room - many users want Windows to have windows.
Win8 is so obviously scalable (very clever), from embedded through phones to tablets. Just scale up further, to desktops and to users who want WINDOWED apps and to use the conventional desktop.
You've said elsewhere that you use everything maximised. Well, bully for you, but many consumers don't. Why can't the UI address that customer segment, as can so easily be done without disturbing the work so far??

Wow, look at all the positive feedback (Microsoft will take no notice of).

How about getting rid of the Desktop altogether. Perhaps not...

Edited by 68k, Mar 25 2013, 10:55pm :

I just don't get why people insist on piling on against these updates. This looks like a decent start and I'm glad they are pursuing improvement.

I really think some are really scared that MS means to remove the desktop like tomorrow. The desktop is here to stay for quite sometime. Working on this app is nothing but good for improving Metro. If you are against all things Metro, then there is a great desktop to use. I just don't get the hate in this case.

These things must be done to improve the touch interface, especially on tablets and other small devices. This does not take anything away from the desktop, so anyone that sticks to that has nothing to worry about. On my pc, I live in the desktop and 8 has worked just fine. On my tablet, I use Metro almost entirely because it simply works better for touch.

I want MS to keep working to improve the experience.

Looks fairly poor compared to the rest of the Modern UI... I dunno, maybe the file explorer isn't meant to be "Metro"... IMO naturally.

dtourond said,
You do realize that this not the final product...

His question applies to the whole Metro travesty...

It's ugly, but why does everyone think this is the final app? It's a leaked milestone, and even in the milestone this app is hidden! They will probably add an interface like the SkyDrive app (like that very much)

I'll defend this, you guys are all idiots. If you use the SkyDrive app in Windows 8, you already know what this is going to be like. It's actually very beautiful and easy to use.
It's the same concept applied to file system. they didn't release it because, in the modern UI you really don't need a file explorer but it's nice to have for those that like to navigate to specific files. Without a file explorer, it was natural to navigate to apps that manages the type of file you were looking for, if I need photos, I would open the photos app, same for docs and. This will be for the random file types and to prevent complainers like you guys. You all need to grow up. Microsoft knows that you're always going to complain because they're smarter than all of you. When the first version of Windows came out, people complain and yet they use it everyday to do stuff and make $. You'll complain again because that's what people do, until they get used to something.

Getting really sick of the number 1 concern people have is the colours.. F'ing change them.. if you are Emo and want a full black desktop then do it...

People need to realize that there are more people in the world then just the nerdling types that want something super complicated..

I don't know why everyone is surprised that it's ugly. The app is hidden; it can't be accessed using normal methods; it's a pre-alpha build! From a developer perspective, I would say it's a good start. It looks like they've only been working on the front-end for about a week. I can't wait to see how it looks in the beta; once the UX team have had their input and it's been cleaned up.

john.smith_2084 said,
it will look as ugly as today with more working features

But by the time they have implemented all those working features, they will have also implemented the UI that the UX designers specified. This is how software development works: you get a working prototype with the basics working and build off from that. It doesn't matter at this point if the app bar is the wrong colour or some icons are missing.

gawd that looks hideous even for an alpha or pre-alpha.... I don't like this obsession MS has with rectangles....... can't wait for DotMatrix to come in and say how wonderful this is.....

I doubt this is an accidental "leak". It was probably leaked intentionally to change the conversation on Win8. The app bar is too far away to be helpful. Long live the right click menu.

Considering SkyDrive is essentially a file manager, I'm surprised it took this long. But leave the desktop. Some of us use our computer to WORK.

About Windows 8 Blue
It is stupid that MS will not give the Desktop user the opportunity to run modern apps in a window like modernmix.
When in Excel, and you need the calc. it first opens in full screen, then you must pin it.
But what is even worse, you can't keep it pinned, when closed and you run/open it again
you must pin it again.
This is not an effective workflow.

Luke777 said,
About Windows 8 Blue
It is stupid that MS will not give the Desktop user the opportunity to run modern apps in a window like modernmix.
When in Excel, and you need the calc. it first opens in full screen, then you must pin it.
But what is even worse, you can't keep it pinned, when closed and you run/open it again
you must pin it again.
This is not an effective workflow.

Would you kindly clarify me, why would you need the calculator on Excel?

Jose_49 said,

Would you kindly clarify me, why would you need the calculator on Excel?

haven't worked much in a business that uses excel a lot have you?...... even though excel is a spreadsheet, people that use it heavily usually have a calculator on desk to do quick figures or have one on screen.....

neufuse said,

haven't worked much in a business that uses excel a lot have you?...... even though excel is a spreadsheet, people that use it heavily usually have a calculator on desk to do quick figures or have one on screen.....


Nope I haven't. Thanks for the clarification, though

neufuse said,

haven't worked much in a business that uses excel a lot have you?...... even though excel is a spreadsheet, people that use it heavily usually have a calculator on desk to do quick figures or have one on screen.....

I have. Went through business school and learned how to use excel extensively, and then went on to work in a finance related field for a while. Using a calculator along side excel is like using notepad along side word. Any calculation you can do on a calculator can be done easily in any cell in excel. There is no reason to use a separate calculator unless you don't actually know how to use excel. Also, doing the calculation in excel has the added benefit of providing a history for where a particular figure comes from.

ModernMech said,

I have. Went through business school and learned how to use excel extensively, and then went on to work in a finance related field for a while. Using a calculator along side excel is like using notepad along side word. Any calculation you can do on a calculator can be done easily in any cell in excel. There is no reason to use a separate calculator unless you don't actually know how to use excel. Also, doing the calculation in excel has the added benefit of providing a history for where a particular figure comes from.

It was ment as an example, you can't expect that all excel user has been on the business school.
I do most of my work in photoshop, illustrator and Autocad, and use the build in calc. a lot.
My point is that full screen app only is a bad idea on the desktop.
And I do hope, that we someday may have the opportunity to run modern apps in a window like modernmix.

Luke777 said,

My point is that full screen app only is a bad idea on the desktop.

Metro apps are not full screen only. So far they offer are 100%, 25%, and 75% views, and with the blue update add in 50% and 33% views.

I'm in your exact situation a lot, with Photoshop, Matlab, Word, Visual studio, etc. open on the desktop. I just put the Desktop in 75% view and a calculator in 25% view. Much better than Windows 7, where you cannot dock the calculator.

ModernMech said,

Metro apps are not full screen only. So far they offer are 100%, 25%, and 75% views, and with the blue update add in 50% and 33% views.

I'm in your exact situation a lot, with Photoshop, Matlab, Word, Visual studio, etc. open on the desktop. I just put the Desktop in 75% view and a calculator in 25% view. Much better than Windows 7, where you cannot dock the calculator.

75% desktop is not enough for me. also if you close a pinned add, it opens full screen next time. I use a small tool in win7 to keep my calc. always on top.

Luis Mazza said,
Consumers: "Bye, Windows. Hello Mac, hello iPad. We're done with Windows."

yeah right. Windows sucks because it supports USB mass storage, and has a file explorer.

the iPad is so much better because it prevents the user from using outdated technology such as USB drives, files, and folders.

/s


by the way, OSX's Finder sucks. Far from being as good as Windows Explorer. And yet Windows Explorer is far from perfect, IMO.

link8506 said,

yeah right. Windows sucks because it supports USB mass storage, and has a file explorer.

the iPad is so much better because it prevents the user from using outdated technology such as USB drives, files, and folders.

/s


by the way, OSX's Finder sucks. Far from being as good as Windows Explorer. And yet Windows Explorer is far from perfect, IMO.

Yeah... That's exactly what we hear from consumers. /s
lol

link8506 said,

yeah right. Windows sucks because it supports USB mass storage, and has a file explorer.

the iPad is so much better because it prevents the user from using outdated technology such as USB drives, files, and folders.

/s


by the way, OSX's Finder sucks. Far from being as good as Windows Explorer. And yet Windows Explorer is far from perfect, IMO.

I think the point is that MS is killing off all the good things about Windows, including Windows Explorer.

Luis Mazza said,

Yeah... That's exactly what we hear from consumers. /s
lol

I didn't know the iPad and the mac had supplanted Windows.

the last time I checked, Windows had 91% market share, and despite being on the market for years, the iPad and the iPhone combined have the same market share on the web as Windows 8 that is "such a failure".

LogicalApex said,

I think the point is that MS is killing off all the good things about Windows, including Windows Explorer.

nope, it will still be here, even in Win8.5.

by the time Microsoft really kills the desktop (in 10 years), the metro file explorer will much better. And we won't have to wait so long.

link8506 said,

I didn't know the iPad and the mac had supplanted Windows.

the last time I checked, Windows had 91% market share, and despite being on the market for years, the iPad and the iPhone combined have the same market share on the web as Windows 8 that is "such a failure".

The distinction comes from the way Microsoft has positioned Windows with 8 compared to any version previously released. Microsoft, for better or worse, has pulled Windows into the tablet space as a whole. They did it not with a targeted version, but by making the desktop and the tablet versions 100% the same. That has caused Windows future to be judged by the tablet market; as this is how MS seems to be judging it.

Once you look at the tablet market Windows isn't doing hot at all. The iPad is eating it for lunch and declaring it still isn't full and wants to eat more. If the future of Windows is the tablet and MS can't stop the bleeding it will be irrelevant in a short time. Mainly because MS throwing the desktop market into the mix the way they did has upset that cash cow in a way that wasn't previously thought possible.

Essentially, MS has thrown the desktop market to the wolfs. So if they fail to gain traction with their tablets they are speeding up the push of existing PC users to tablets of their competitors (as they have told the users that tablets are the future and if users don't pick them this is a long term problem for Windows on all fronts). People who saw no real reason to go tablet are now awaken to do so.

If MS fails to gain more traction I get a feeling that 2013 will be a very busy year for the iPad...

What remains to be seen if they can walk away without a dead desktop market if this does turn out to be a failure and they have to rethink this in the Windows 9 (2014) time frame.

link8506 said,

I didn't know the iPad and the mac had supplanted Windows.

the last time I checked, Windows had 91% market share, and despite being on the market for years, the iPad and the iPhone combined have the same market share on the web as Windows 8 that is "such a failure".

Dear, the statement here is... This does not represent the future.
But you can keep repeating this mantra outloud for some more years to come.

Looks the same as every other app with a file picker, but guess the haters have to pick on something. As has been said many times, if you like the Windows 7 look so much why dont you stick with Windows 7?

efjay said,
Looks the same as every other app with a file picker, but guess the haters have to pick on something. As has been said many times, if you like the Windows 7 look so much why dont you stick with Windows 7?

Because people like Windows and new Windows... Not crappy UIs.

efjay said,
Looks the same as every other app with a file picker, but guess the haters have to pick on something. As has been said many times, if you like the Windows 7 look so much why dont you stick with Windows 7?

Maybe because there are people that like and enjoy the innumerous under the hood improvements brought to the OS?
Note that personally I do not dislike, although with some reservations, the Metro paradigm but I find such rhetorical questions useless.
What is the problem with people nowadays? Is it possible that we regressed so much that we can only be polarized as lovers or haters? What about constructive criticism and pragmatic, not dogmatic, appreciation?
Black and white, good or evil.... why is this manichaeistic approach so popular among grown up people?
BTW personally I do not dislike the app although, as it is and I expect a lot of improvements before it gets final. is not considerable as a replacement for Windows Explorer.

Fritzly said,

Maybe because there are people that like and enjoy the innumerous under the hood improvements brought to the OS?
Note that personally I do not dislike, although with some reservations, the Metro paradigm but I find such rhetorical questions useless.
What is the problem with people nowadays? Is it possible that we regressed so much that we can only be polarized as lovers or haters? What about constructive criticism and pragmatic, not dogmatic, appreciation?
Black and white, good or evil.... why is this manichaeistic approach so popular among grown up people?
BTW personally I do not dislike the app although, as it is and I expect a lot of improvements before it gets final. is not considerable as a replacement for Windows Explorer.


Why you defending it, if you use Windows 8, there is absolutely NO REASON to use Metro if you do not wish to use it.
Only the start menu comes up at login if you do not modify your Windows. Then you can just click on the desktop tile. Or install start8/classicshell or similar products and be done with it. Tada! A new fancy Windows 8 that is almost identical to Windows 7.
If you don't like the looks of Windows, people should stop moaning about it and change it. If you cant be bothered to change it, the default look probably isn't that bad.
OSX is even less choice, and few Linux Distro's come with multiple desktop managers out of the box.

It's almost like a Microsoft employee is sitting next to all these hating people with a gun pointed at their heads forcing them to use the Modern apps and design.... While its just an optional addon to Windows 8.

Shadowzz said,

Why you defending it, if you use Windows 8, there is absolutely NO REASON to use Metro if you do not wish to use it.
Only the start menu comes up at login if you do not modify your Windows. Then you can just click on the desktop tile. Or install start8/classicshell or similar products and be done with it. Tada! A new fancy Windows 8 that is almost identical to Windows 7.
If you don't like the looks of Windows, people should stop moaning about it and change it. If you cant be bothered to change it, the default look probably isn't that bad.
OSX is even less choice, and few Linux Distro's come with multiple desktop managers out of the box.

It's almost like a Microsoft employee is sitting next to all these hating people with a gun pointed at their heads forcing them to use the Modern apps and design.... While its just an optional addon to Windows 8.

As I said I was commenting about what I considered a rethorical question; again I do not dislike the Metro paradigm although I do believe that at this stage is not very useful.
Finally the main point of my statement was about the way people seem to behave nowadays like, for example, "branding" people who express dislike for something as haters.

warwagon said,
I know this is very early beta or maybe even alpha, but still... who puts black on top dark purple?

Quick call Prada! It's a catastrophe!

warwagon said,
I know this is very early beta or maybe even alpha, but still... who puts black on top dark purple?

Here is a wild guess: the guy who installed a leaked build, chose dark purple color?

BajiRav said,
Here is a wild guess: the guy who installed a leaked build, chose dark purple color?

Shouldn't all text then automatically switch to white to accommodate the dark background color?

.Neo said,

Shouldn't all text then automatically switch to white to accommodate the dark background color?

It should and does in 8.

BajiRav said,
It should and does in 8.

Yet it doesn't in the app above. I also heard about an issue where fonts don't turn white on the desktop in Windows 8.

.Neo said,

Yet it doesn't in the app above. I also heard about an issue where fonts don't turn white on the desktop in Windows 8.

and now you wonder why Microsoft has not released the app yet, right?
It's a pre-release OS that is running a broken app not meant for prime time yet. What do you expect?

I will stick with Windows Explorer thank you very much. Ugly as hell. Looks like once again this is designed for touch. Does MS think everyone will be using a touch device or something when they run Windows 8?

techbeck said,
I will stick with Windows Explorer thank you very much. Ugly as hell. Looks like once again this is designed for touch. Does MS think everyone will be using a touch device or something when they run Windows 8?

So stick with Explorer then. Why do you people find it so hard to understand that it's up to you to decide whether you want to use traditional or Modern apps?

jakem1 said,

So stick with Explorer then. Why do you people find it so hard to understand that it's up to you to decide whether you want to use traditional or Modern apps?

You people? What do you mean you people?...

Joking aside...it is my opinion on the matter. Arent I allowed to express my opinions and likes/dislikes.

techbeck said,
Looks like once again this is designed for touch. Does MS think everyone will be using a touch device or something when they run Windows 8?

Of course it's designed for touch; it's a metro app.
It is exactly for those who have a touch device and want to manage their files too.
If you use keyboard/mouse, then this isn't for you. There's desktop for that.

techbeck said,

You people? What do you mean you people?...

Joking aside...it is my opinion on the matter. Arent I allowed to express my opinions and likes/dislikes.

And isn't he allowed to call your complaint silly? That's his opinion, and he has a right to say it, right?

If this is the v1 of the file manager, eventually it will get to be the same as the file manager that we have in windows currently, but with just more ****ty horrid colours.......

Wow man they just gonna keep at it, aren't they? The god-awful designs and the feature set of a freshman's first attempt at a Visual Basic app (prototype)...

If you could be any more ignorant, I'm sure the Windows team would really appreciate your money. I'm not trying to develop a OS and UI for the masses to use. I'm an end user and have every right to my opinion. You don't have to agree with it, nor do you have to be a snob about it...

"As you would expect, it offers many of the features needed for a file manager and it all appears to be finger friendly."

So this just shows it was always about tablets..

ChrisJ1968 said,
"As you would expect, it offers many of the features needed for a file manager and it all appears to be finger friendly."

So this just shows it was always about tablets..

People thought otherwise?

warwagon said,
People thought otherwise?

People like Dot Matrix preached that Metro was equally (or near equally) about desktop users as it was about tablets.

I would say that I use it on the desktop and my laptop with a touch screen equally well. It comes down to having some familiarity with the start screen. If you never use the start screen then it won't be as easy as it is when you use it often and have it configured to your liking.

blackjezuz said,
I would say that I use it on the desktop and my laptop with a touch screen equally well. It comes down to having some familiarity with the start screen. If you never use the start screen then it won't be as easy as it is when you use it often and have it configured to your liking.

It's not that Metro doesn't work. It's just that it doesn't make much sense on a desktop to have oversized interface elements and whatnot. Those things simply aren't needed when operating your PC with keyboard and mouse/trackpad. All they do is waste screen space away.

.Neo said,

It's not that Metro doesn't work. It's just that it doesn't make much sense on a desktop to have oversized interface elements and whatnot. Those things simply aren't needed when operating your PC with keyboard and mouse/trackpad. All they do is waste screen space away.

What you don't constantly misclick with a mouse like Dot Matrix? Are you some kind of god? /s

If you're not aware of it, that is the plan. May not be this version but once Office RT is ported to the modern interface, the desktop will go bye bye!!!

blueboy75 said,
If you're not aware of it, that is the plan. May not be this version but once Office RT is ported to the modern interface, the desktop will go bye bye!!!

And with it will my support for Windows RT. Its differentiating feature is it's desktop.

thealexweb said,

And with it will my support for Windows RT. Its differentiating feature is it's desktop.

IMO its differentiating feature is what the desktop can do. It packs all the power of decades of development. There are tons of features accessible through the desktop environment. But if they port all of them to the modern UI then its differentiating features remain.

But I doubt that will happen anytime soon. It will take years before people are ready to move away from the desktop. It will remain just like DOS mode remained in many versions of Windows. So I wouldnt worry about this version of Windows (RT) losing its desktop.

thealexweb said,
I'm starting to worry they'll use this as an excuse to remove the desktop in Windows RT

Windows RT is for tablets, try to use the latest Android tablets, you will start coming to the conclusion that you don't need RT anymore. The latest Android can do way more than Windows 8 RT (except the nice Office, RT is still better there, but that is not for long, Microsoft is about to make it uglier than the one in Android and remove its functionality, sorry, I meant modernize it)

For them to remove the desktop you would have to have a metro version of office which I haven't even heard of being anywhere near beta. A free version Office is pretty much the selling point to WindowsRT.

john.smith_2084 said,

The latest Android can do way more than Windows 8 RT

Can you use a USB printer, or an external NTFS HDD? /Rhetorical

eddman said,

Can you use a USB printer, or an external NTFS HDD? /Rhetorical

yes you can print and use external hdd, i am not sure why you want it on a tablet but yes you can

john.smith_2084 said,

yes you can print and use external hdd, i am not sure why you want it on a tablet but yes you can

How is it possible to use an NTFS hdd with android, when it doesn't even support it.

Yeah files and folders that's so outdated, we don't need that here at the new Microsoft, Metro is all about New Experiences®

Have you seen the new Live Tiles?™

Edited by MVD, Mar 25 2013, 6:24pm :

MVD said,
Yeah files and folders that's so outdated, we don't need that here at the new Microsoft, Metro is all about New Experiences®

Have you seen the new Live Tiles?™

Dot Matrix, is that you?

warwagon said,
Problem is it looks like almost every other Windows Modern application.

Of course. It uses the design principles and is likely build with the dev tools that Microsoft provides to all developers. The difference is that this is an unfinished design and it shows.

majortom1981 said,
Keep in mind this is a leak not meant to get into the public.

I used to think the same when we got our hands on the alpha and beta builds. And look how much this is true. Forget it... Windows won't come back and it's getting worse everyday.

Ronnet said,

Of course. It uses the design principles and is likely build with the dev tools that Microsoft provides to all developers. The difference is that this is an unfinished design and it shows.

What I meant was, ugly by nature

Ronnet said,
It uses the design principles and is likely build with the dev tools that Microsoft provides to all developers. The difference is that this is an unfinished design and it shows.

It looks just like the SkyDrive app and that's a final release, so I'm not expecting any substantial improvement for release.

Microsoft keeps trying to claim that Metro wasn't designed exclusively for tablets but designs like this clearly aren't meant for mouse and keyboard users. No sane desktop user would choose to use that app over Explorer and that's what makes Microsoft demotion of the desktop to a Metro tile all the more concerning.

warwagon said,

What I meant was, ugly by nature

That's a matter of taste. I think apps like the Skydrive app look really nice and clean.

I do think Microsoft needs to improve the Modern UI for keyboard and mouse input. It does work but its not optimal. The way I see it they need to have an on/off switch that puts all the hidden UI elements (charms, appbar, switcher, etc) on screen in an taskbar on the bottom.

As it is they stand to lose more customers with non-touch then they'll gain with touch.

Exactly. MS has said that the desktop isn't going away. The file management on a tablet is much harder because of the fact you don't have a mouse to do the exact motions to click on folders and files and drag and drop. This is for touch. Yes that is true. The desktop has lost very little with MS' design choices. Just one button. Everyone is going mental over MS making the product better for a wider range of users. This is alpha quality software. I definitely see the file manager being something that needs a few revs to work out the functional needs for that type of software. It's also pretty obvious that they would prefer to focus on people using established namespaces like documents, music, videos etc... I don't have a problem with that because I will still be able to use the old explorer for anything complicated.

I'm so tired of everyone crying about MS' trying to make everyone happy. If you don't want to use the metro file manager use the desktop version. Bunch of internet whiners.

Edited by blackjezuz, Mar 25 2013, 7:12pm :

Ronnet said,
Of course. It uses the design principles ...

Design principals, imagine if you go to a restaurant and they tell you that their eating principals are “everything should be eaten with a fork”, and let us see you following the eating principals and eat the hot soup with a fork :-)

Why do people invent stupid design principals? Some things need a fork and some need the spoon, and some need the chopsticks, things can be easy, unless you are at Microsoft and you love to mess things around.

john.smith_2084 said,

Design principals, imagine if you go to a restaurant and they tell you that their eating principals are “everything should be eaten with a fork”, and let us see you following the eating principals and eat the hot soup with a fork :-)

Why do people invent stupid design principals? Some things need a fork and some need the spoon, and some need the chopsticks, things can be easy, unless you are at Microsoft and you love to mess things around.


Whats this for stupid comparison?
You can forcefully rip out Metro entirely. Or just disable it. Or modify Windows 8 to make it have all the fancy compiz goodness you see on Linux. You don't need to follow it, or like it, or use it, or put up with it. Stick with the desktop.

You comparing it to a restaurant where if you don't like it, you just walk in to the kitchen and cook your own damn food.

ShareShiz said,
Oh god. Looks so easy to delete the whole C: drive.

Windows is smart enough to not let the user do that

Linux, on the other hand ...

link8506 said,

Windows is smart enough to not let the user do that

Linux, on the other hand ...


Linux on the other hand does not have a C: drive.

gonchuki said,

Linux on the other hand does not have a C: drive.

it doesn't name drives with letter, but my point is that Linux will happily let you delete the whole system while running as root. No protection against manipulation mistakes.

link8506 said,

it doesn't name drives with letter, but my point is that Linux will happily let you delete the whole system while running as root. No protection against manipulation mistakes.


Don't bother pointing that out, somehow its a major advantage to Linux in their eyes to let users have full control over everything without any form of safety netting.

Shadowzz said,

Don't bother pointing that out, somehow its a major advantage to Linux in their eyes to let users have full control over everything without any form of safety netting.

You might use your arms to vandalise or break something, so I'm afraid we're going to have to amputate them for your own protection.

link8506 said,

Windows is smart enough to not let the user do that

Linux, on the other hand ...

Who's the idiot that gave the command to Linux to delete the root?!? You can do it on OS X and all UNIX based OS's too if you wanted to.

(Disclaimer: No I'm not attacking you...)

Why are they taking so long to make an application like this? First, its interface is nothing complicated or elaborated; second, it should be released with Windows 8

daniel_rh said,
Why are they taking so long to make an application like this? First, its interface is nothing complicated or elaborated; second, it should be released with Windows 8

its called priorities

It's not finished. And the problem with having so much Metro colour customisation in Blue is that you get users picking the most ugly colour schemes, as seen here.

Prepare for lots of nasty eye killing screenshots of Blue from people that have absolutely no taste (most people).

W32.Backdoor.KillAV.E said,

Prepare for lots of nasty eye killing screenshots of Blue from people that have absolutely no taste (most people).

Including the developers/designers of Modern UI...

voovode said,
So ugly

You do know you're judging a work-in-progress?

Especially the bar on the bottom seems like a placeholder.

Ronnet said,

You do know you're judging a work-in-progress?

Especially the bar on the bottom seems like a placeholder.

By "Bar at the bottom", do you mean the AppBar that is in all Modern UI Apps?

M_Lyons10 said,

By "Bar at the bottom", do you mean the AppBar that is in all Modern UI Apps?

It is pretty obvious it needs some refinements. Black on purple is not easy to read.

M_Lyons10 said,

By "Bar at the bottom", do you mean the AppBar that is in all Modern UI Apps?

Yes, its that what its called? If so, I learned something today!

Ronnet said,

You do know you're judging a work-in-progress?

Especially the bar on the bottom seems like a placeholder.

Work in progress, yeh, the entire Windows 8 is work in progress, and it is ugly

Ronnet said,
You do know you're judging a work-in-progress?

People said the same thing about many aspects of Windows 8 that turned out to be the final thing.

john.smith_2084 said,

Work in progress, yeh, the entire Windows 8 is work in progress, and it is ugly

Actualy, if software is not a WIP, you shouldn't use it.

.Neo said,

People said the same thing about many aspects of Windows 8 that turned out to be the final thing.

This is true. Look at the Windows Store.

I love how people still havent learnt their lessons from Windows 8. Whenever there was criticism a lot of techies kept making sure everyone was aware that Windows 8 was in development. HAHAH, sadly Windows 8 looks the same way it did in alpha builds. This will be no different. Look at Sydrive in outlook It is absolutely hideous! Files of different types are represented with tiles that all look the same. Totally the opposite rationale one needs to create a logical flowing gui.

Ronnet said,

You do know you're judging a work-in-progress?

Especially the bar on the bottom seems like a placeholder.

There is work-in-progress ugly, and then there is this-is-an-abomination ugly.

This is the latter.

mnl1121 said,

It is pretty obvious it needs some refinements. Black on purple is not easy to read.


Didn't anyone perhaps think that the purple might be the users theme choice?

voovode said,
So ugly

Wow, I love it when people always complain at every leaked build in Windows past and present that such and such is fugly. One of these days, I'm going to stop saying it's not representative of the final version, but IT's NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE FINAL VERSION!!!!

briangw said,

Wow, I love it when people always complain at every leaked build in Windows past and present that such and such is fugly. One of these days, I'm going to stop saying it's not representative of the final version, but IT's NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE FINAL VERSION!!!!

Oh but it is!

scaramonga said,
It has to be ugly. It's got to fit in with the rest of Windows 8, or it would look out of place.

It hurts because it's true.