Tim Cook on Samsung verdict: "Values have won"

Somewhere, the spirit of Steve Jobs must be smiling right now. In the midst of one of the greatest victories of Apple's 'thermonuclear war' on Android, Jobs' successor, Apple CEO Tim Cook, has shared some of his thoughts on the victory in a new memo to employees.

"Today," Cook said, "values have won and I hope the whole world listens." As we already reported, Samsung lost the high-profile patent case and is now looking at paying Apple damages in the area of $1 billion. And although he does note that Apple went to court 'very reluctantly,' something we can't even imagine would've crossed Steve Jobs' mind, Cook is definitely happy with the outcome.

You can check out the statement, which was first published by 9to5Mac, right here:

Today was an important day for Apple and for innovators everywhere.

Many of you have been closely following the trial against Samsung in San Jose for the past few weeks. We chose legal action very reluctantly and only after repeatedly asking Samsung to stop copying our work. For us this lawsuit has always been about something much more important than patents or money. It’s about values. We value originality and innovation and pour our lives into making the best products on earth. And we do this to delight our customers, not for competitors to flagrantly copy.

We owe a debt of gratitude to the jury who invested their time in listening to our story. We were thrilled to finally have the opportunity to tell it. The mountain of evidence presented during the trial showed that Samsung’s copying went far deeper than we knew.

The jury has now spoken. We applaud them for finding Samsung’s behavior willful and for sending a loud and clear message that stealing isn’t right. I am very proud of the work that each of you do.

Today, values have won and I hope the whole world listens.

Tim

Cook's memo echoes a statement released by Apple PR, but with slightly more Kool-Aid 'rhetorical finesse' painting the case as more of a moral battle between good and evil than a simple legal dispute between two companies. And even though Cook stops short of calling Samsung an outright thief, that's obviously being heavily implied.

Finally, while he's definitely pleased with how things turned out, Cook has made it clear in the past that he'd prefer to settle when it comes to patent disputes. We wonder if the outcome if this case will make him think twice about that stance?

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Me too I refuse to purchase Apple products, I had been looking forward to trying the Samsung Note 2 when it come out to the market!!!

His statement makes me feel sick - you're a disgrace to the industry Tim Cook/Apple.

"We chose legal action very reluctantly and only after repeatedly asking Samsung to stop copying our work."

Bullsh**! You're in court every other day suing the pants of someone for something.

"For us this lawsuit has always been about something much more important than patents or money. It's about values. We value originality and innovation and pour our lives into making the best products on earth."

Of course. Because it takes so much hard work to make a phone look identical to the previous model - not even an Apple employee could tell them apart. Oh, and here the kicker, the next model will look exactly the same again, just slightly taller from what I hear.

"And we do this to delight our customers, not for competitors to flagrantly copy."

Says the company who has invested billions flagrantly copying and stealing. All you've done Apple is taken some existing products and added a bit of bling to it. You didn't invent or innovate nothing.

You are the scum of the tech industry - complete and utter garbage forcing consumer choice and options down the toilet.

Apple will never see another dollar from me, not one cent, ever again.

Remember when apple were cool and trendy?

These days they're making Microsoft look hip.

Guess they were just ****ed that Samsung were executing "their" designs better and getting a far bigger market share.

In the scheme of things a billion dollars probably won't make too much difference to Samsung when their revenue in a single year is like $250bn. It's like giving the guy on the street a $20 ticket for something.

Ah, yes. Values have indeed won. Like the corporate value of receiving a billion dollars for going to court. Or the corporate value of crushing your competitors, not by making quality products, but with your lawyers. You know, the wholesome things that make America what it is.

" We owe a debt of gratitude to the jury who invested their time in listening to our story. We were thrilled to finally have the opportunity to tell it. The mountain of evidence presented during the trial showed that Samsung's copying went far deeper than we knew. "

Interesting that he said that Apple had told a "story", and that "Samsung's copying went far deeper than we knew" - surely they knew what evidence they were presenting, or was that just a story as well.

Be interesting to see what Lucy Koh's next job is - head of Apples legal department???

There are hundreds of companies that produce 22" widescreen monitors yet none of them tell the others that they can't produce a monitor that is rectangular . As for Samsung copying the design of the iPhone is rubbish. I have both an iPhone and a Samsung Galaxy s2 and you would have to be half blind and dead drunk to have any chance of confusing the two.

Sadly, since I refuse to purchase Apple products, I had been looking forward to trying the Samsung. Most of my cell phones have been Samsung and I love them. The iPhone? SUCKS and broke within 4 mos. The AppleCares insurance (which was like $70 was a major hassle. This falls in line with previous Apple experience where other products have broken. My spouse says the logo Apple has a bite taken out of it for a reason. None of their products are complete (usable). Will still support Samsung. BECAUSE I CAN.

Gaara sama said,
Apple is about money not competition, Apple suck!!!

Actually they aren't about money at all. Don't forget they are the richest most profitable company in the world, this victory is pocket change for them. Apple just can't share, they live in a world where only they know best and that consumers don't need choice because they are too dumb to know what they really want.

Apple is the spoilt rich kid that is very smart but nobody likes him because he thinks he is better then everyone else. Apple needs to be brought down a few pegs and "humbled". Apple isn't a bad company really, just the late Steve Jobs has imparted too much of his brutal view of the world onto the company for it's own good...

That is my 2 cents, take with a grain of salt.

Apples story is full of BS.They say it ain't about money or competitors. But in reality, it is all about patents and money. They won because they paid the jury+judge a ton to lie and side with devils. Apple is in it for nobody other than themselves. I hope samsungs appeal will be a success. Apple already has more than enough dough.

After apple sues every android oem they will go after google. Just because jobs is dead doesnt mean his vision of killing android is.

"And although he does note that Apple went to court 'very reluctantly,'"

Yeah right, Apple had no intention of entering a cross license agreement with Samsung.

We all know that Apple really want to kill Android but won't go after Google because the know that it would end up a fair fight between two American companies. so they wouldn't have the USA vs Jonny foreigner advantage in an American court.

dfuk said,
We all know that Apple really want to kill Android but won't go after Google because the know that it would end up a fair fight between two American companies. so they wouldn't have the USA vs Jonny foreigner advantage in an American court.

Agreed, you only have to look at what happened when they tried to go up against Microsoft, they lost. The only way they'll kill Android is to man up and sue Google but Apple are a bunch of cowards so they won't.

i hate apple big time!!! ...

APPLE GET OUT FROM THE THEM COURT ROOM AND COMPETED WITH THE MARKET WITH SAMSUNG AND STOP CRYING LIKE A LITTLER GIRL!!!

Gaara sama said,
i hate apple big time!!! ...

APPLE GET OUT FROM THE THEM COURT ROOM AND COMPETED WITH THE MARKET WITH SAMSUNG AND STOP CRYING LIKE A LITTLER GIRL!!!

It's ok, man. They're just a fruit company...

i agree if American Consumer want to keep revising Samsung smart phone and tect much be step up against apple, apple try to block everything that come to American from Samsung......APPLE get out from the Court room and competed with the market!!!

Who said you can't buy happiness? And friends, and lawyers, and juries, and politicians, and what else can't you buy with millions, or billions?

Lucas said,
Who said you can't buy happiness? And friends, and lawyers, and juries, and politicians, and what else can't you buy with millions, or billions?

If you're inferring that Apple paid off the courts, I'd seriously doubt that. Apple doesn't like giving their money away to anyone. Hell, they spend a lot less in lobbying than many other tech companies in the US as well.

smooth3006 said,
Lol...the only reason apple did this is because they fear android since the iphone was knocked out of the of spot.

Hardly. If you have cards to play, you play them. You don't just sit on your hands. This isn't candy land here, businesses do not play nice.

The trick is to ensure they play by the law. So long as they follow it, they're well within their means to defend their products and do whatever in their power to slow the competition while still advancing forth with the production of their own products.

dead.cell said,

Hardly. If you have cards to play, you play them. You don't just sit on your hands. This isn't candy land here, businesses do not play nice.

The trick is to ensure they play by the law. So long as they follow it, they're well within their means to defend their products and do whatever in their power to slow the competition while still advancing forth with the production of their own products.

your blind if you dont see the real reason they sued. Ever notice its always something with android.

dead.cell said,

Hardly. If you have cards to play, you play them. You don't just sit on your hands. This isn't candy land here, businesses do not play nice.

The trick is to ensure they play by the law. So long as they follow it, they're well within their means to defend their products and do whatever in their power to slow the competition while still advancing forth with the production of their own products.

OK, everyone knows that businesses dont play nice. But when its obviously resulting in less options for the consumer then the consumers have a right to complain.

smooth3006 said,
your blind if you dont see the real reason they sued. Ever notice its always something with android.

Right because before, there was no competition. Just as there was little competition for the mp3 player, now they're all called iPods even if its made by Creative or somebody else. No one else is of any kind of threat.

Look, we're on the same page here. My problem is that you guys make this seem like some schoolyard fight. Apple is in "fear"? That's what I'd say hardly to. They're not idiots, they're watching the competition, and carrying out business as usual by keeping their competitors stuck in the mud as best as they can, within their legal limits.

Also, is this really about Android so much as it is Samsung blatantly copying?

M4x1mus said,
OK, everyone knows that businesses dont play nice. But when its obviously resulting in less options for the consumer then the consumers have a right to complain.

I agree, and that problem lies with where the law stands. This is where it all gets mucky and stupid really. Android users having a "boycott" of Apple products for instance, as if Android users would likely be buying Apple products anyway... It seems people want to just make a bunch of noise, and not do anything that requires any effort from them.

Personally, I quite like how things were handled in the UK with these patent lawsuits and Apple.

nik louch said,
End of the day, Apple play the patent game REALLY well.

<comicBookGuyVoice> Worst game everrrr </comicBookGuyVoice>

more a victory for the do as we say not as we do attitude, and the corrupt us patent system that fails to check internationaly for prior art.

"I hope the whole world listens." Yeah, basically, don't make any devices that resemble what we've stolen, or you'll pay. What a nutjob.

devHead said,
"I hope the whole world listens." Yeah, basically, don't make any devices that resemble what we've stolen, or you'll pay. What a nutjob.

Is there anything wrong with making it known that copying and stealing a company's products will not be tolerated?

I'm tired of you guys making Apple out to be the bad guy.

superconductive said,

I'm tired of you guys making Apple out to be the bad guy.

Then why post?

I agree there are things Apple should protect and go after, but Samsung had a good case, just stupid lawyers that made a ton of mistakes.

devHead said,
"I hope the whole world listens." Yeah, basically, don't make any devices that resemble what we've stolen, or you'll pay. What a nutjob.

Apple's iPhone was innovative and there was nothing like it on the market when it was released. So how can you suggest they stole it? Remember, that's what the court case was about.

superconductive said,

Is there anything wrong with making it known that copying and stealing a company's products will not be tolerated?

I'm tired of you guys making Apple out to be the bad guy.

LOL... We don't have to make them out to be the bad guy. They are the bad guy. They are actively attempting to reduce the choice that consumers have by applying for a huge number of patents for simple ideas that are the most logical way to implement something on a smartphone and seeing which ones get through.

Calum said,

Apple's iPhone was innovative and there was nothing like it on the market when it was released. So how can you suggest they stole it? Remember, that's what the court case was about.

rubbish - smart phones had been around a lot longer than the iphone. Apple just made them look pretty, and whacked a HUGE price tag on them, and the fools with more money than sense fell over themselves to have what many others didn't want or couldn't afford.

Snobbery is what made the ipod/iphone a success, everything else was stolen from other companies.

Calum said,

Apple's iPhone was innovative and there was nothing like it on the market when it was released. So how can you suggest they stole it? Remember, that's what the court case was about.

You're joking right? there was that pandora or pandara or whatever it was called. That was announced and released before the iPhone, and the first iphone looked exactly like it. Even Samsung had a leak of their prototype device that was revealed before the iphone was announced. There is nothing innovated about rounded rectangles.

Calum said,

Apple's iPhone was innovative and there was nothing like it on the market when it was released. So how can you suggest they stole it? Remember, that's what the court case was about.

Well, I'm not talking about the iPhone specifically, but Apple are not the originators and innovators of the technology world. They steal designs and ideas like everyone else.

Zeet said,

You're joking right? there was that pandora or pandara or whatever it was called. That was announced and released before the iPhone, and the first iphone looked exactly like it. Even Samsung had a leak of their prototype device that was revealed before the iphone was announced. There is nothing innovated about rounded rectangles.
They certainly raised the bar in terms of usability and UI design, everything was so clunky before the iPhone was released.

hotdog963al said,
They certainly raised the bar in terms of usability and UI design, everything was so clunky before the iPhone was released.

Agreed. But isn't the nature of competitive business that others take what you've designed and improve on it, forcing you to release a better product. It seems to me that this is something that Apple actively discourage.

smooth3006 said,
BIG FU apple!

What is wrong with you people. Try to look at the case objectively-- No matter what your bias, a great injustice has been done to Apple. Samsung DID willingly and knowingly infringe their patents. They WERE stealing their work. It is only hard to believe the verdict if you hate Apple and therefore, your partiality immediately discounts your opinion. By the way, I'm saying this being the owner of both Samsung and Apple products which I am very pleased with.

superconductive said,
...

Indeed, regardless of how you feel about Apple products, it seems pretty obvious to me that Samsung was imitating Apple, right down to the packaging. Of course, you can still disagree on the specifics of the case, or on exactly how far the imitation went, and still admit that.

smooth3006 said,
BIG FU apple!

if you would have invented something did you like it to be stolen and the thief make more money than you? think about what you say dude

S3P€hR said,

if you would have invented something did you like it to be stolen and the thief make more money than you? think about what you say dude

Think about what you just said. Apple is still making more that Samsung.

S3P€hR said,

if you would have invented something did you like it to be stolen and the thief make more money than you? think about what you say dude

I'm pretty sure that those people companies that Apple stole from feels exactly that.

Unfortunately most people, including the jury and general public doesn't seem to realize this.

Thanks for most ironic post though.

superconductive said,

[Snip]

As much as I loved my original Galaxy S before getting the S3 I do think Samsung did step over some lines as far as how similar it looks and they probably deserved to get in trouble for that.

However, I don't think that you are being very objective either. The greater injustice has been done to the citizens of the United States as a whole. Apple has some patents that they shouldn't and customers will have less of a choice because of it. Not everyone is upset because Samsung lost or Apple won, they're upset because every one of Apple's patents stood as ridiculous as some of them are and that hurts everyone, not just Apple.

superconductive said,

What is wrong with you people. Try to look at the case objectively-- No matter what your bias, a great injustice has been done to Apple. Samsung DID willingly and knowingly infringe their patents. They WERE stealing their work. It is only hard to believe the verdict if you hate Apple and therefore, your partiality immediately discounts your opinion. By the way, I'm saying this being the owner of both Samsung and Apple products which I am very pleased with.

Thank you! I don't know why people make Apple look like the bad ones here. They filed and were given patents for their ideas and designs. Samsung chose to use those patents and not pay up.Its the way the patent system works. Sure Apple may have a small history of taking ideas. However for one they don't steal patents, and second they have always been one to take an idea to the next level. Samsung could have either done some different ideas/designs or one up'ed Apple. But they didn't

wv@gt said,

Thank you! I don't know why people make Apple look like the bad ones here. They filed and were given patents for their ideas and designs. Samsung chose to use those patents and not pay up.Its the way the patent system works. Sure Apple may have a small history of taking ideas. However for one they don't steal patents, and second they have always been one to take an idea to the next level. Samsung could have either done some different ideas/designs or one up'ed Apple. But they didn't

Patents are not supposed to be valid with prior art, so it doesn't matter if Apple was first to file for the patent.

It's a failure first and foremost on the patent office for granting those patents to begin with, and then on the court system for not invalidating those patents with prior art.

(Also stealing ideas from the beginning of the company till today is not exactly "a small history")

superconductive said,

What is wrong with you people. Try to look at the case objectively-- No matter what your bias, a great injustice has been done to Apple. Samsung DID willingly and knowingly infringe their patents. They WERE stealing their work. It is only hard to believe the verdict if you hate Apple and therefore, your partiality immediately discounts your opinion. By the way, I'm saying this being the owner of both Samsung and Apple products which I am very pleased with.

Umm... what? A great injustice has been done? For what? Using the idea of bouncing menus? Or slide to unlock? I could have come up with those ideas. Almost anyone could have, and they're not the kind of ideas that should be able to be protected by patents. Its like patenting putting the title of a book at the top of the front cover... Its just the logical thing to do.

S3P€hR said,

if you would have invented something did you like it to be stolen and the thief make more money than you? think about what you say dude

apple didn't invent anything, all their ideas came from other companies. All they did was stick it in a shiny/glossy case and charge $800 for it.

M4x1mus said,

Umm... what? A great injustice has been done? For what? Using the idea of bouncing menus? Or slide to unlock? I could have come up with those ideas. Almost anyone could have, and they're not the kind of ideas that should be able to be protected by patents. Its like patenting putting the title of a book at the top of the front cover... Its just the logical thing to do.

If you could come up with those ideas, why didn't you?

THolman said,

If you could come up with those ideas, why didn't you?

What? I don't work for a company that makes mobile phones. Why would I come up with them... You quite clearly didn't even attempt to understand my point. I'm not saying I could have come up with them in particular. I'm saying anyone could have come up with them, they're extremely simple ideas. Literally small children could have come up with them.

M4x1mus said,

What? I don't work for a company that makes mobile phones. Why would I come up with them... You quite clearly didn't even attempt to understand my point. I'm not saying I could have come up with them in particular. I'm saying anyone could have come up with them, they're extremely simple ideas. Literally small children could have come up with them.

And my point was that even though they are really simple, no one executed them before Apple. The lightbulb might look really simple in hindsight, too, but there was a time when only one company could make those. People have a right to benefit from their innovations, even if they are simple, and it's better for the market when that happens, because it gives other people a reason to do their own thing and try to be better without ripping anyone off.

M4x1mus said,

What? I don't work for a company that makes mobile phones. Why would I come up with them... You quite clearly didn't even attempt to understand my point. I'm not saying I could have come up with them in particular. I'm saying anyone could have come up with them, they're extremely simple ideas. Literally small children could have come up with them.

We understood your point, just think it's not valid.
Anybody could've invented the lightbulb. Anybody could've invented google or facebook. Does it mean we should not credit the original creators? Absolutely not. They are the ones who took the initiative in bringing those ideas to life.
So your argument is as invalid as it gets.

poor guy in denial any good legal justice system would throw apple out of the court with all this rubbish....

The fact that this its another good example of "it only happens in america"

eilegz said,
poor guy in denial any good legal justice system would throw apple out of the court with all this rubbish....

The fact that this its another good example of "it only happens in america"

Exactly. UK - Thrown out of court. Korea - both of you copied each other, grow up. America - US vs Korea.... US WINS!

Samsung should IMMEDIATELY have a shortage of all the components they sell to apple for their products (only apple ones), and not be able to deliver them, except with a 500% price increase.

dvb2000 said,
Samsung should IMMEDIATELY have a shortage of all the components they sell to apple for their products (only apple ones), and not be able to deliver them, except with a 500% price increase.

Yeah thought the same. But would only hurt Samsung in the long run I guess.

It's a great day in America. Those (Samsung) who have stolen have been punished. Maybe Samsung should have followed Microsoft and done a cross patent deal.

Adamb10 said,
It's a great day in America. Those (Samsung) who have stolen have been punished. Maybe Samsung should have followed Microsoft and done a cross patent deal.

Yea, $30 per phone and $40 per tablet i a really good deal. When MS gets 5 - 10 per device, 30 - 40 is insane.

Adamb10 said,
Maybe Samsung should have followed Microsoft and done a cross patent deal.

You know that the Microsoft & Apple came from when Microsoft was bailing out Apple over 10 years ago, right? It didn't have anything to do with mobile devices.

I also find it funny when people post stuff like this because most Android manufacturers (including Samsung) have a license deal with Microsoft already so they are obviously willing to strike a deal if the price is reasonable. Apple seems to be the one that is difficult to work with since they have yet to license with any Android manufacturers while Microsoft has everyone worth mentioning but Motorola.

contriver87 said,

You know that the Microsoft & Apple came from when Microsoft was bailing out Apple over 10 years ago, right? It didn't have anything to do with mobile devices.

I also find it funny when people post stuff like this because most Android manufacturers (including Samsung) have a license deal with Microsoft already so they are obviously willing to strike a deal if the price is reasonable. Apple seems to be the one that is difficult to work with since they have yet to license with any Android manufacturers while Microsoft has everyone worth mentioning but Motorola.

Apple even stated that they do not like licensing things. They offered/wanted to license, yes...but their price tells a different story.

contriver87 said,

You know that the Microsoft & Apple came from when Microsoft was bailing out Apple over 10 years ago, right? It didn't have anything to do with mobile devices.

As part of the trial it was revealed that Microsoft had a new deal with Apple specifically related to the mobile patents.

Adamb10 said,
It's a great day in America. Those (Samsung) who have stolen have been punished. Maybe Samsung should have followed Microsoft and done a cross patent deal.

Except Apple have no intention of licensing their patents to anyone, they choose to sue people for infringement rather than do the right thing like Microsoft and license them.

techbeck said,

Yea, $30 per phone and $40 per tablet i a really good deal. When MS gets 5 - 10 per device, 30 - 40 is insane.

If that. Microsoft asks for $5-10 per device, but they're willing to negotiate it downward, especially if the company is willing to cross-license patents with Microsoft. The final figure is not disclosed publicly.

That's why Microsoft has successfully signed on so many Android vendors. The price is low enough that they see it as just a cost of doing business.

In contrast, not only does Apple wants you to pay $30-$40 (no room to negotiate), but they don't throw in all of their patents. But even with that enormous fee, you also have to give Apple a license to your patents.

Apple's demands were so enormous that Samsung is probably better off with the disastrous verdict, financially speaking. That's assuming the verdict will stand.

Pygmy_Hippo said,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

“Good artists copy, great artists steal. And we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas.” - Steve Jobs

You can steal an idea - you can't copy a design. Lot's of manufacturers have stole the idea of finger friendly touchscreen device, but few, like Samsung, have flagrantly copied the design.

So you can look me in the eye and tell me they did not 'flagrantly copy the design' from XEROX? Folders and a structure that looks like a physical desk with files and folders strewn across it?
Didn't think so. But Jobs and Apple didn't go after Microsoft for flagrantly copying them either. Why? Because Jobs didn't want the world to see that he got tricked into giving away the keys to the safe.

Patents are crap and we have a flawed system of dealing with them. Also aside from the flawed patent system my example proves companies are not all held to the same standards. HTC wasnt attacked like Samsung was simply because they do not pose the same kind of threat Samsung did. If HTC was as in Samsung's position they would have found a patent to toss at them I'm sure.

I'm not giving a free pass to Samsung though either, because for instance Apple did have a case when it came to icon design.

.fahim said,

You can steal an idea - you can't copy a design. Lot's of manufacturers have stole the idea of finger friendly touchscreen device, but few, like Samsung, have flagrantly copied the design.

So you can look me in the eye and tell me they did not 'flagrantly copy the design' from XEROX? Folders and a structure that looks like a physical desk with files and folders strewn across it?
Didn't think so. But Jobs and Apple didn't go after Microsoft for flagrantly copying them either. Why? Because Jobs didn't want the world to see that he got tricked into giving away the keys to the safe.

Patents are crap and we have a flawed system of dealing with them. Also aside from the flawed patent system my example proves companies are not all held to the same standards. HTC wasnt attacked like Samsung was simply because they do not pose the same kind of threat Samsung did. If HTC was as in Samsung's position they would have found a patent to toss at them I'm sure.

I'm not giving a free pass to Samsung though either, because for instance Apple did have a case when it came to icon design.

.fahim said,

You can steal an idea - you can't copy a design. Lot's of manufacturers have stole the idea of finger friendly touchscreen device, but few, like Samsung, have flagrantly copied the design.

Nexus- said,
So you can look me in the eye and tell me they did not 'flagrantly copy the design' from XEROX? Folders and a structure that looks like a physical desk with files and folders strewn across it?

"In the mid 1980s, Apple considered buying Xerox; however, a deal was never reached. Apple instead bought rights to the Alto GUI and adapted it..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox

Nexus- said,
So you can look me in the eye and tell me they did not 'flagrantly copy the design' from XEROX?

how true - look my modem has rounded corners - Cisco must have stolen Apples copyright. Look my Windows has lots of icons on the desktop - Microsoft must have stolen that idea from the iphone.

This judgement is just totally wrong on so many angles. Hopefully Samsung will appeal, have it thrown out and themselves be awarded billions in compensation.

It should be called the "Lucy Koh" judgement - anything Apple does is above the law.

Nexus- said,
So you can look me in the eye and tell me they did not 'flagrantly copy the design' from XEROX? Folders and a structure that looks like a physical desk with files and folders strewn across it?
Didn't think so. But Jobs and Apple didn't go after Microsoft for flagrantly copying them either. Why? Because Jobs didn't want the world to see that he got tricked into giving away the keys to the safe.

Patents are crap and we have a flawed system of dealing with them. Also aside from the flawed patent system my example proves companies are not all held to the same standards. HTC wasnt attacked like Samsung was simply because they do not pose the same kind of threat Samsung did. If HTC was as in Samsung's position they would have found a patent to toss at them I'm sure.

I'm not giving a free pass to Samsung though either, because for instance Apple did have a case when it came to icon design.

They're saying they have ownership of curved square icons?!?!

Nexus- said,
So you can look me in the eye and tell me they did not 'flagrantly copy the design' from XEROX? Folders and a structure that looks like a physical desk with files and folders strewn across it?
Didn't think so. But Jobs and Apple didn't go after Microsoft for flagrantly copying them either. Why? Because Jobs didn't want the world to see that he got tricked into giving away the keys to the safe.

Patents are crap and we have a flawed system of dealing with them. Also aside from the flawed patent system my example proves companies are not all held to the same standards. HTC wasnt attacked like Samsung was simply because they do not pose the same kind of threat Samsung did. If HTC was as in Samsung's position they would have found a patent to toss at them I'm sure.

I'm not giving a free pass to Samsung though either, because for instance Apple did have a case when it came to icon design.

Actually, Apple did sue Microsoft, and it made it all the way to the Supreme Court...

.fahim said,

You can steal an idea - you can't copy a design. Lot's of manufacturers have stole the idea of finger friendly touchscreen device, but few, like Samsung, have flagrantly copied the design.

After reading the patents I don't really think Samsung is the only one "copying"....

Patent number 7,469,381 is for the bounce back that occurs when you scroll beyond the edge of a webpage or document in iOS.
Patent number 7,844,915 is for single-finger scrolling and two-finger zooming, while number 7,864,163 claims tap-to-zoom technology.
D593,087 claims its rounded corners and home button

From engadget...
How many phone has all these???