Top Microsoft executive labels iPhone 4 Apple's Vista

A senior Microsoft employee has compared Apple's iPhone 4 device to Microsoft's own Windows Vista disaster.

The first operating system for Microsoft since Windows XP, Windows Vista came under scrutiny for a myriad of issues, and contentiously has been labelled as being the worst operating system to come out of Redmond yet. The general consensus these days is that Vista was rushed out too quickly, and that the newly-launched Windows 7 is what Vista should have been.

During his keynote speech at the Microsoft Worldwide Partner's Conference (WPC) in Washington D.C., Microsoft's chief operating officer, Kevin Turner, dropped a couple of comments in which he compared the flawed Vista to Apple's most recent darling, the iPhone 4, which has recently been scrutinised for having reception woes.

"It looks like the iPhone 4 might be their Vista, and I'm okay with that," he said, later referring to the reception problems plaguing the device.

"One of the things I want to make sure you know today is that you're going to be able to use a Windows Phone 7 and not have to worry about how you're holding it to make a phone call."

Apple is still refusing to confirm there's an issue with the iPhone 4 hardware, although unconfirmed reports claim they could have already made a slight adjustment to fix the problem on newer iPhone 4 units. Instead, Apple insists it's a software issue - and a beta of the newest iOS update went live today for developers, which Apple says will assist in fixing an issue with their reception bar calculation that at times showed users they had up to two more bars of reception than were really available. Early results however appear to be showing no change.

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Vista was the greatest OS coming out from Microsoft ever... I liked everything about Vista, and same thing with Windows 7 - because Windows 7 is almost like Vista (actually it is Vista), maybe little faster

I completely dissagree with that statement the difference is Vista worked well as long as you had new hardware and new software the iPhone 4 has a show stopping hardware design flaw.

I always laugh at the AT&T iPhone 4 adds on TV if you hold it like they hold it in real life you wont be making any calls

Sounds about right. Most people didn't have problems with Vista, but a vocal minority did and the tech press ran off with it. Here, most people don't have problems with iPhone 4, but a vocal minority do and the tech press is running off with it.

Hence, iPhone 4 is Apple's "Vista"

lordcanti86 said,
Sounds about right. Most people didn't have problems with Vista, but a vocal minority did and the tech press ran off with it. Here, most people don't have problems with iPhone 4, but a vocal minority do and the tech press is running off with it.

Hence, iPhone 4 is Apple's "Vista"

+1

lordcanti86 said,
Sounds about right. Most people didn't have problems with Vista, but a vocal minority did and the tech press ran off with it. Here, most people don't have problems with iPhone 4, but a vocal minority do and the tech press is running off with it.

Hence, iPhone 4 is Apple's "Vista"


+1

Vista is a good OS, but when it was released people did not have the right hardware for it. They still had the old XP hardware which was barely compatible with it

He was only talking from the point of view of the public mass. If you ask anyone, which do you prefer, Vista or XP, they'll definitely answer you Windows XP because it was faster and it didn't prompt you any time, which managed to annoy the average user.

but vista is just software, which can be fixed with software... the Iphone 4 antenna problem is a hardware issue, which can't be fixed with software...

it's not a good comparison...

I used Vista back when it was still Longhorn, and up until the Win7 beta last year. Only issues I ever had with it were my own stupid fault (and one was Seagate's, for allowing fubar'd firmware in about 7 million hard drives that made it to market, one of which landed in my new computer). Other than that, Vista worked great.

I still do not get why Microsoft and others believe that Windows Vista was the worse OS every created. What? Is the coffee maker and coke machines working at Microsoft? Windows Vista and Windows 7 are actually the best OS systems I have seen Microsoft create. The OS that sucked the most to me was Windows XP. I have had to fix so many peoples computers because of XP.Always crashing.

Vista wasn't that bad, I used to love it until 7 came out. and I think as Windows Vista, iPhone 4 needed more time to deliver

It is like Vista. Vista was a good OS, iPhone 4 is a good phone (if you hold it right
x| ). Both had a lot of negative publicity that exaggerated and sensationalized the issues.

I think that Microsoft is OK to say how bad Vista was to sell more copies of Windows 7.

But as an advanced user, Vista was always fine for me (since RTM) and it felt like traveling back in time whenever I had to use XP again.

Windows 7 is definitely better (which is natural because of it being released two years later), but the gap between 7 and Vista is in no way comparable to the one between Vista and XP.

I also agree that the meaning here could be more that just saying it's a failure. As said in numerous comments, both iPhone 4 and Vista are fine products, with a bad press going out of proportion.

Let me reword this, it didn't come out the way I wanted it to.

If Microsoft released SP1 which fixed most of the problems with Vista, will Apple do the same with iOS?

(I know that this is a hardware issue, but I was just thinking.)

crispkreme said,
Let me reword this, it didn't come out the way I wanted it to.

If Microsoft released SP1 which fixed most of the problems with Vista, will Apple do the same with iOS?

(I know that this is a hardware issue, but I was just thinking.)

iPhone 4GS (Got Signal)

Well... unlike vista, you cannot get a Service Pack for a physicall antena... or may be they will call a silicon protector for the phone "service pack 1" or whatever apple calls its updates...

So basically the iPhone 4 is the best phone of it's time but will have problems due to some hate it got in the first few weeks mostly due to morons, in existent problems and problems solved quickly? Cool

I... for the record still on my beloved vista x64, win 7 for some reason makes my laptop mouse to stop working along with my graphics card.

No, I'm not lying... simply try to run win7 x64 on a inspiron 1501 and see for yourself yet when asking for help they give fault to the drivers that I'm using... hell, Like if I really don't know how to use a computer

Yes this rant is more about win7 than iphone 4 but, I got a HTC G1... and I don't have to hold it in a special way SuperAtmel forever

I think he meant to say that Iphone 4 just like Vista might have been a great idea that was rushed to market before proper testing. But if I was his boss I would speak with him. It is not classy to mock a competitor directly. It is not Microsoft style and it should never be. A company should win on their own merits, not by mocking others and nobody wants a company representative going rogue creating controversy out there. But at least the joke was half directed at themselves as well.

Firstly, that's an admission Vista was a disaster from MS. Good move.
Secondly, that puts the iPhone 4 in a very bad light with that comparison. Apple might be able to return fire over that comment!

Raa said,
Firstly, that's an admission Vista was a disaster from MS. Good move.
Secondly, that puts the iPhone 4 in a very bad light with that comparison. Apple might be able to return fire over that comment!

Hi, I'm a Mac! And I'm a PC.

Raa said,
Firstly, that's an admission Vista was a disaster from MS. Good move.
Secondly, that puts the iPhone 4 in a very bad light with that comparison. Apple might be able to return fire over that comment!

senior Microsoft employee =/= MS

billyea said,
I think he just complimented the iPhone 4 without realizing it.
Or he just insulted his own brand.

Since it was meant as an insult, the latter. Oops.

random_n said,
No, I think he was spot on. Both suffered due to bad press blown out of proportion, despite actually being okay products.

+1
And I own an iPhone 4. I also own a copy of Vista that I've installed on my MBP. Still haven't upgraded to 7 yet. Don't need to.

mrmomoman said,
1.7 Million Guinea Pigs for the new found attenna.
+1 I just laught how people sleep for days outside of the Apple Store waiting for this piece of **** called iPhone 4... hahahahaha

Vista still is one of the biggest steps Microsoft did after XP, introducing completely new technologies, that this senior employee guy looks like from another planet, or he is just PR guy.
No way he knows how much effort to security and memory management was put to get Vista out.

manosdoc said,
Vista still is one of the biggest steps Microsoft did after XP, introducing completely new technologies, that this senior employee guy looks like from another planet, or he is just PR guy.
No way he knows how much effort to security and memory management was put to get Vista out.

One of the biggest steps, but some think it was pushed out way too early.

brent0n said,

One of the biggest steps, but some think it was pushed out way too early.

If you take granted the time Windows Server 2008 got releashed SP1 tagged, yeah, but remember that Longhorn project already got restarted 2 times, because obviously the specs were too optimistic to be coded on time. But overall the technology of Windows Vista is not a disaster.
PR's lazy OEM's, lazy driver support ( Nvidia shipped XPDM ) and bad Vista Ready Hardware specifications, yes, made a bad reputation.

So this employee, is just a fool, comparing wrong things, assuming wrong things.

manosdoc said,

If you take granted the time Windows Server 2008 got releashed SP1 tagged, yeah, but remember that Longhorn project already got restarted 2 times, because obviously the specs were too optimistic to be coded on time. But overall the technology of Windows Vista is not a disaster.
PR's lazy OEM's, lazy driver support ( Nvidia shipped XPDM ) and bad Vista Ready Hardware specifications, yes, made a bad reputation.

So this employee, is just a fool, comparing wrong things, assuming wrong things.

I agree, the comment will likely come back to haunt him. Vista is fine these days - but I think he was referring to when it first launched (no service packs etc.) and it was rusty.

brent0n said,

One of the biggest steps, but some think it was pushed out way too early.

To an extent the pain had to happen, Windows 7 would have suffered the same fate because it has a lot of the same compatibility issues that Vista had, for example with old integrated graphics

brent0n said,

One of the biggest steps, but some think it was pushed out way too early.

And some think it was pushed out too late.

Many would have prefered an earlier release for consumer feedback on the WDDM which would of also allowed Microsoft to shift focus to helping the GPU MFRs optimize the new WDDM drivers. (BTW This is what happened in June 07 and why in Sept 07, the video drivers from ATI and NVidia were able to show gaming performance numbers equal to or besting XP.)

Be careful with 'generalizations' that are more opinion than a true consensus.

Sonic. said,
Two totally different things excluding publicity.

But I never had a problem with Vista.


Me neither, except for a couple of computers from my friends which didn't meet the minimum requirements, I had but minors bumps with Vista but win7 its way better.

iPhone signal problem seems more to me a phone-addict-person kind of problem, lets face it MOST dudes don't have neither the urge to call someone every 5 minutes nor the tendency to even check up how many bars we have before making any call, we use it for surfing the web, playing, music or even reading a book, the phone part its ironically the worst part of any iPhone.

Meconio said,
Me neither, except for a couple of computers from my friends which didn't meet the minimum requirements, I had but minors bumps with Vista but win7 its way better.

iPhone signal problem seems more to me a phone-addict-person kind of problem, lets face it MOST dudes don't have neither the urge to call someone every 5 minutes nor the tendency to even check up how many bars we have before making any call, we use it for surfing the web, playing, music or even reading a book, the phone part its ironically the worst part of any iPhone.

Hence the reason as even a Mac user I'd never own an iPhone - I'd sooner go and get an Android with a selection of many vendors rather than being locked in a single one. When it comes to Android vs. iPhone, Android may not have tonnes of features but what it does have it gets correct rather than including 100s of features with each of them broken in some sort of way (aka iPhone).

As long as Apple keeps playing this game, the iPhone 4 will definitely become their version of Vista. I liked Vista but 7 does blow it out of the water for performance.

Except people still want the iPhone 4 more than the 3GS. I doubt we will hear people complaining about the lack of downgrade rights.

A lot of people wanted Vista over XP too. Those iPhone users who don't like 4 can easily get rid off it due to return policies so they likely already have.

Simon said,
Except people still want the iPhone 4 more than the 3GS. I doubt we will hear people complaining about the lack of downgrade rights.

I did not have the compatibility problems other people had with vista and i'm sure there are many happy iphone 4 users.

However as long as apple continues to pretend there are no issues, they will suffer from the same plague of fault-finding and nitpicking that happened with vista.

thatguyandrew1992 said,
I loved Vista

This... I think it's totally off base for anyone to say Vista was the worst OS to come out of Redmond. While it had it's faults, it was nothing compared to the Windows ME fiasco.

Oh how quickly people forget.

thatguyandrew1992 said,
I loved Vista

+1

vista was really quite good. the only reason i upgraded to windows 7 is because of the taskbar update. i love organizing my goodies without 3rd party startup apps. and i'm sure a couple of other things as well... i was one of those people who "HAD" to have the latest OS. heck, i even have osx86 installed just to have it. hahaha

I still say WinME was the worst thing that ever came from MS. But seeing the iOS4 introduced some new features in addition to some hardware changes, maybe this is what Apple needed to make the next iteration of their product even better (much like Windows 7).

thatguyandrew1992 said,
I loved Vista

I'm still running Vista x64 on this laptop because Windows 7 gave me a BSOD when i tried to install it from lack of support for my particular SATA hard drive. Vista is quite good.

vaximily said,

This... I think it's totally off base for anyone to say Vista was the worst OS to come out of Redmond. While it had it's faults, it was nothing compared to the Windows ME fiasco.

I won't ever forget ME. reformat every 4 months. Going from Windows Vista Biz to Windows 7 is basically Windows 98 to Windows 98 SE. And I have too many problems with 7 to bother with it. It's possible that Windows 7 32bit is worse than Vista, as compared to Windows 7 64 bit compared to 32 bit Vista which my brother has the 64 bit and I rarely have problems over there. Although 1, he's got 8 gb of ram and 2. it's Ultimate.
Oh how quickly people forget.

thatguyandrew1992 said,
I loved Vista
+1; I never had a problem with it (that wasn't self induced of course). I personally liked the favorites pane in explorer far better. It allowed me to have only my favorites and not all the extra crap. Other than that though, I prefer 7 for its various improvements.

vaximily said,
This... I think it's totally off base for anyone to say Vista was the worst OS to come out of Redmond. While it had it's faults, it was nothing compared to the Windows ME fiasco.

Oh how quickly people forget.

Or even more recently, anyone remember when Windows XP came out? anyone remember all the devout Windows 2000 followers who said they would never move to Windows XP - that it was simply Windows 2000 with bloat? its amazing how people have very short memories or should I say, very selective memories when they reflect on history. Windows Vista's biggest problem was over promising and under delivering - if they didn't promise the earth, explained it as a transition release to introduce new technologies on which future releases would be based there would never have been the PR fiasco that ensued because of it.

"It looks like the iPhone 4 might be their Vista, and I'm okay with that"

This is more accurate than saying that Vista was 'rushed' by the article author.

The iPhone4 isn't 'horrible', it just has a few problems and lot of public perception problems, just like Vista. (Although it could be argued the iPhone4 has a couple of bigger problems, as not everything is software fixable.)

The trick here is that Apple tends to live and die by public perception, as they don't dominate technically, and need the public 'sway' to keep their products on top or maintain their loyal fan base.

vaximily said,

This... I think it's totally off base for anyone to say Vista was the worst OS to come out of Redmond. While it had it's faults, it was nothing compared to the Windows ME fiasco.

Oh how quickly people forget.

We are talking about Vista here not Windows Me.

This is actually not like vista at all but should end up more like how Microsoft admitted there was fault in the xbox 360 and told everyone that if it RRODs they will fix it no questions asked. Apple has to handle this the same way.

Scutley said,

We are talking about Vista here not Windows Me.

In the context of the debate (and hey! we're internet users, we love a good old debate!) I think its quite right to bring Windows ME into the argument, as a proper mesurement of a bad operating system produced by Microsoft, arguing that the worst OS release by MS wasn't Vista, it was Windows ME.

For arguments sake, I really didn't like Vista, Microsoft could have achieved what they did with Windows 7 with Vista, they just tried to fit too much awesome into one OS, and all the awesome kinda killed itself a little, making the OS slow (that combined with a few algorithmic failures..).

I'm glad most people who's computers I work on for a living use Windows 7 now, vista caused me quite a few headaches..

Oh, and for the record, the iPhone is still as good as its predecessors, it has two major flaws (Antenna, which doesn't bother me because I have a case, and Proximity sensor which annoys me more), but its still responsive, and quick to use.

thatguyandrew1992 said,
I loved Vista

I agree. Vista didn't give me any problems once I upgraded my hardware. There was such a long gap between XP and Vista you had people trying to install Vista on computers that were nearly a decade old. Then they complain about it's lackluster performance. Give me a break. The only reason Windows 7 isn't receiving the same flack is because more people got the message and within the Vista timespan upgraded their hardware. So personally it's disheartening to see Microsoft picking on Vista themselves. It wasn't a practical failure as much as a marketing one.

thenetavenger said,
"It looks like the iPhone 4 might be their Vista, and I'm okay with that"

This is more accurate than saying that Vista was 'rushed' by the article author.

The iPhone4 isn't 'horrible', it just has a few problems and lot of public perception problems, just like Vista. (Although it could be argued the iPhone4 has a couple of bigger problems, as not everything is software fixable.)

The trick here is that Apple tends to live and die by public perception, as they don't dominate technically, and need the public 'sway' to keep their products on top or maintain their loyal fan base.

Except for one crucial detail.

Vista wouldn't stop working if I held it the wrong way.