Unreal Engine creator: 'I genuinely worry about the future of Microsoft'

Epic Games co-founder Tim Sweeney, who also created the Unreal Engine and still leads its development, said in a new interview he is concerned Microsoft may try to make future versions of its Windows OS a closed platform.

In a chat with Polygon today, Sweeney stated:

I genuinely worry about the future of Microsoft. They've locked down this Windows 8. They say future app developers should focus there, but you can only ship that with Microsoft's permission and Microsoft's approval through Microsoft's store. And that sucks compared to the open nature of the PC platform before.

Sweeney added that if Microsoft continues to move towards a closed platform model for Windows, developers could decide to switch to Android or Valve's Linux-based SteamOS for their game titles. In fact, Sweeney says that SteamOS and the upcoming Steam Machines that will use the operating system "will be probably the most open high-end gaming platform ever created."

However, Sweeney does say that he is hopeful that the recent management shifts at Microsoft could lead to keeping Windows as an open platform. In particular, Sweeney said that some of the changes Microsoft is putting into DirectX 12 will allow the graphics API to be more efficient and open than previous versions. He said of his current feelings towards Microsoft, "You just generally sense a momentum to be more open with the community and more broad with their Windows strategy."

Epic Games made some news recently when they announced a new pricing plan for the latest version of their Unreal Engine, allowing anyone to license it to make commercial games for $19 a month, plus a 5 percent cut of the game's revenues. Sweeney says this is a reflection of the changes in game development, where small indie teams can now have the same tools as their AAA counterparts.

Source: Polygon | Image via Epic Games

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Margrave - in what way has Microsoft done anything but provide options - for users and developers? For users with NO vested interest in desktop software (same applies to usage cases), there is WinRT (and to an extent, Windows Phone). For users that haave a need for desktop software, there is Windows 7+ - and yes, this includes Windows 8 and the updates thereto; nothing precludes the use of desktop software of any sort.

You are basically making Sweeney's case by FORCING the adoption of "terminal/server" - in the name of security and safety. Closed-source (the Apple Stratagem, as you yourself put it) is the ultimate in rights-management draconism - and nobody has this down to an art like Apple - including EA and Ubisoft, as much as both are despised over DRM. YOU hate Microsoft offering the option - yet you choose to voice your objection by sliding over to where it is required - not merely an option?

That I REALLY don't get.

/Begin_rant

Not being tied to one company's products, like Apple and their commie store, and being able to use whatever software one buys from wherever is one of the things that made Windows take off. That and price comparisons. I worry about their future too. I feel the company has been making poor decisions lately.

If you had multiple product lines, and one was your worst selling line would you make all your other products look like the one that isn't selling? That is rather poor thinking. The consumer has already shown it's not buying that product line, and in making everything else look just like that noticing sales not doing so well shouldn't be a surprise.

The introduction of the Windows store is far too 'Apple' for me. I didn't buy Apple products for a reason, and if they continue to push towards this 'Apple style' I will leave them. I already have have migrated all my personal documents from office due to their new subscription plan strategy. At this point I'm saving up to buy an Apple. If I'm going to be digitally bullied, I might as well be done so by the one that has the most experience in doing it.

Yes I'm getting older, and with that comes crotchetiness. I remember a time when I bought a product, and I actually got the whole product. And they sold a finished product. This whole new method of constant patching to ensure that they can keep their coding jobes makes it look like no one can make a finished product. Are they all inept at their coding?!

With their current direction I've got rid of my MS stock, and I'm telling others I know to do so as well. Their future, and stubbornness on pushing a non-embraced UI, doesn't look as bright as it use to in my opinion.

They should just cut their losses at this point, stream down their operations, and focus better. To me they come across as having no idea where they're going. They're trying to be everywhere all at once. They appear spread too thin, and I think the end products are suffering from it.

I don't blame them for reduced pc sales though. That's clearly the fault of visualization, and the return to server/terminal. People being afraid of piracy feel that it's better to have the software only live on a server, and they sell it to the consumer under the feature of access anywhere. The end result is a loss in pc production/maintenance jobs, reduced sales in the new terminals, /cough, thin clients, being far cheaper, and additional damage to the economy as a whole.

Ugh..... back in my day we walked barefoot, naked, uphill, both ways, to get 1 cpu cycle! And it was to boot DOS, and we liked it too! You kids with your GUIs. Bah, Gui.... sounds like something I flush....

/end_rant

/begin_flame_response_fanboys

I agree. The PC needs to remain an open platform. I don't mean open source, but the ability to install whatever software one wants to without having to go through a designated store.

I like how the comments on posts like this always seem to include every man and his dog telling world renowned developers and engineers (such as the creator of Unreal Engine) about how they totally don't understand anything about developing software on windows. Am i the only one who finds this absurd?

There's a big part of me that doubts half the commentators here have ever even written a line of code in their lives.

Being an awesome software developer doesn't make you an expert on Windows' future. Saying Win8 is "locked down" and positing doomsday scenarios about the open desktop side of the OS is just silly.

Bag said,
I like how the comments on posts like this always seem to include every man and his dog telling world renowned developers and engineers (such as the creator of Unreal Engine) about how they totally don't understand anything about developing software on windows. Am i the only one who finds this absurd?

There's a big part of me that doubts half the commentators here have ever even written a line of code in their lives.


Let's assume what he said is totally true. Windows sucks now because it is a close platform now (!).

So why did they port UE to iOS, an even more closed platform?! If I'm not wrong, UE has been ported to iOS long ago and it was the first major engine to run on iOS. Hypocrisy or idiocy? You decide.

Romero said,
Being an awesome software developer doesn't make you an expert on Windows' future. Saying Win8 is "locked down" and positing doomsday scenarios about the open desktop side of the OS is just silly.

Thats not actually what he said though is it. Windows 8 IS more locked down than previous iterations of windows in that it has introduced a locked down portion of the O/S (something that did not previously exist) and there IS a push for more developers to use this set of tools.

Sweeney's fear is that Microsoft could potentially carry on in that direction and eventually lock down the whole O/S in a similar way (such as with windows RT - no ones saying this will happen in windows 8, but when developing for a platform such as windows is your day job, your going to be a bit more forward thinking and worry about what trends may keep going in to windows 9, 10, etc).

Windows 8 still includes a significant "open portion ", Sweeney (and i suspect a lot of people developing for the windows platform)'s fear is that in later versions, this open portion may continue to shrink.

Granted, I'm doubtful Microsoft will continue to lock down the O/S. I suspect they'd loose too much market share if they did. But at the end of the day, Microsoft IS a business and its going to be looking out for itself, not the developers that are dependant on it. So I really don't find it that shocking that developers in that position are going to be a bit worried about the new trend of introducing a walled garden ecosystem into windows 8. Just because you can go outside the garden for now, doesn't mean this will be the case in 3 versions time.

Thing is, they have no issues with walled gardens on other platforms.

But when it comes to Microsoft, as usual.... it's handled different.

Damn hypocrites.

Not really. Windows is an open platform, and thus people are upset to see the potential beginnings of it becoming a closed one. Apple on the other hand have never really been open, so there's nothing to lose there.

I don't see anyone really claiming their not going to support windows if it were to become a walled garden (due to its market share it would be ridiculous), but at the same time that makes it no less of a shame if it did become one.

The people worried about windows becoming locked down aren't the people that hate it, their the people that love & thus don't want to see windows as an open platform disappear.

Bag said,
But at the end of the day, Microsoft IS a business and its going to be looking out for itself, not the developers that are dependant on it.
Yes Microsoft will look out for itself, but part of that involves not shooting itself in the foot by alienating those very same developers. It's not a one-way street after all and Microsoft is equally dependent on developer support for its platforms.

This is of course besides what others have already said about iOS and Sweeney's hypocrisy, which makes his comments sound even more silly. Clearly he has no problems developing for a locked down platform when he sees the dollar bills beckoning, and will probably continue doing the same on Windows as well as long as the users are there in droves willing to buy his games. So what exactly is his fear? That he won't make as much money on a hypothetical future locked-down version of Windows because Microsoft might take its cut?

Windows still is the same open platform. I never heard these people cry about Win CE. Which is like Windows RT, just 1 of the many different flavors of Windows Microsoft has.

The only reason for that portion to shrink is due to inaction of developers - including Sweeney. Developers are what keeps a platform - open or closed - alive; without developers, a platform dies. However, what has Win32 - as a platform - devolved into? With few exceptions, it's devolved into patches and recycled content. (When Win64 is eating the lunch of Win32 - despite even Win64 development being late in getting its feet under it - Win32 has a problem.) Nothing in Windows 8+ has even remotely closed the door on Win32 applications or application development - same applies to Win64. (That hard data comes from largely the critics of Windows 8 and ModernUI - not just folks like Dot Matrix and DConnell, or even me.) In fact, not even Dot Matrix has said that there is ZERO use for desktop software. The real issue is that developers are so heavily focussing on mobile-OS development that they are not concentrating on Windows development much, or at all. (The only real exceptions are indie developers, and even there, the trend is moving toward mobile development - not desktop development.)

>I genuinely worry about the future of Microsoft. They've locked down this Windows 8. They say future app developers should focus there, but you can only ship that with Microsoft's permission and Microsoft's approval through Microsoft's store. And that sucks compared to the open nature of the PC platform before.

That sucks but developing for iOS was such a great thing! Hypocrite.

Crimson Rain said,
>I genuinely worry about the future of Microsoft. They've locked down this Windows 8. They say future app developers should focus there, but you can only ship that with Microsoft's permission and Microsoft's approval through Microsoft's store. And that sucks compared to the open nature of the PC platform before.

That sucks but developing for iOS was such a great thing! Hypocrite.

qft

Everyone able to think logically fears this. It has been obvious since they announced their own app store. And if you work a bit with Windows 8, not the generic crap, but really deep like with permissions and APIs, then you will notice that it already has MUCH more restrictions than Windows 7. Just look at their localization API or UAC not being able to be fully disabled without screwing up your apps. And there is much more.

coolhund said,
Just look at their localization API or UAC not being able to be fully disabled without screwing up your apps. And there is much more.

Why would you even need to disable this stuff? This is not a failing of anything except the user behind the keyboard.

Nice that you guys lock your jaw on this one point. There are several others.
And yes, there are enough reasons to disable it completely, because there is enough software that isnt updated anymore and still needs to run or doesnt run when it doesnt have full rights. This is not generic stuff, as I wrote.
Its obvious MS is aiming at a closed system, Windows is getting more restricted each version since Vista, and everyone who isnt a generic user notices that. That is all I said.

Or look at it differently.

Years and years people have complained that Linux was superior because "Repositories". Windows now has its own version and all sorts of people are screaming "LOCKING DOWN BLABLA".

Windows Desktop is not going anywhere, if I'm not mistaken Microsoft made internal agreements that they wouldn't even consider letting the desktop go anywhere until 2020.

Microsoft isnt stupid, and if you go look at the history of how Microsoft handles its software. It is the one and only company that focusses so much on backwards compatibility.....

Yeah, all signs completely show that Windows will be a locked down OS like iOS.....


God....

I am talking about optional features. Before you could turn stuff off without any consequences. Not anymore and its getting worse. More and more you get things forced onto you.

I am talking about a win/win situation, but that Fanboys dont grasp that is nothing new to me either.

What on Windows 8 can't be disabled?
Just because it's not an easy clickable option, doesn't mean there is no user choice.
Most of the "Modern" stuff can be disabled through the registry. And a start menu is just 1 Google/Bing search away.

Windows 8 is still as customizable as the previous ones. You can do whatever you want with it. Just because Microsoft didn't make it easy for you, doesn't give any right to complain if one of Neowin's owners can easily show you how to customize your windows experience to your own personal taste (http://www.wincustomize.com)

And it isnt hard to understand its just an "Out of the box" edition. I for one can understand Microsoft can not cater every individual's need (I don't want a 500gb OS install TYVM).

Have you guys seen the Steam Store lately? New games, old games, crap games, unfinished games, mobile games.. it's a free-for-all.

I don't understand all of this misconception around windows 8.
It's freaking just windows 7 with the start button replaced with the start menu....that's all. I swear....some people.

aviator189 said,
I don't understand all of this misconception around windows 8.

Obviously not, because you're spreading the misconception.

If you watch the BUILD videos (MS developer conference) when the Windows Runtime was unveiled you will see that the plan laid out there.

The Windows Runtime is a higher level API set that enables a new breed of developer to come into the windows ecosystem without having to learn COM/COM+/DCOM/.NET/DDE/OLE/Etc.

The roadmap at the time is that the initial version (Win8) would be built upon these technologies. However, as windows evolved the underpinnings would largely be replaced with new architecture.

The pitch to get developers on the new Windows Runtime is that developer apps would be further insulated from major version changes as the underlying architecture changed.

Here's the kicker to it all. The Windows Runtime is the layer that powers Modern Apps purchased from the Windows Store.

So if this doesn't spell out exactly what sweeny / newell are afraid/sorrowful about then I don't know how to clear that up for you.

Yeah, and the .NET Framework was an abstraction upon the Win32 APIs. What's your point? Microsoft shouldn't be proving this simplification of their various low-level technologies and should instead just chug along as-is?

You've taken two things and drawn an apocalypse scenario. Well done.

You're inviting people to be scared that Microsoft might turn Windows into a closed ecosystem that can only run authorized code. On Windows RT and Windows Phone, that is already the norm and it matches the experience you get with similar devices.

The reason Gabe Newell has a problem with Windows 8 is that he can't be the gatekeeper on those locked down devices.

Ideas Man said,
Yeah, and the .NET Framework was an abstraction upon the Win32 APIs. What's your point? Microsoft shouldn't be proving this simplification of their various low-level technologies and should instead just chug along as-is?

You've taken two things and drawn an apocalypse scenario. Well done.


The .NET framework wasn't developed with a Windows Store in mind, it was just developed to be a powerful, yet simple framework compared to Win32, Visual Basic, MFC. It was a purely software-oriented endevaour because Microsoft saw developers being important.

To spell it out: The worry here is the new connection between a software development framework and a business model where Microsoft dictates the conditions. That's treading new ground. They're pushing a new framework that has to run in a controlled sandbox.

"WinRT apps can only be sideloaded from outside Windows Store on Windows 8 or RT systems that are part of a Windows domain, or equipped with a special activation key obtained from Microsoft" -- Of course he's worried!

Edited by Northgrove, Apr 2 2014, 10:18am :

It's not the current market and situation, but the direction that Google, Microsoft, Apple, some can argue Amazon to a lesser degree.

There's making walled gardens for there eco systems and worried Microsoft will start to tighten there's making it much more difficult to just create a program to run on windows vs having to submit through apps store down the road in the future. The death of an open OS that runs on hardware that may or may not have internet connectivity.

Several people see this possible direction MS is going and trying to bring up concern now before it actually happens.

What a tool or a child.

MS Store's is closed to applications that don't launch etc. It's QA and nothing else, so far. Does he really think MS is going to tell people on using the Unreal engine they can't sell their games for anything that could be politically dangerous?

If you don't want MS to get any "commission" for your application other than your cheap developers license you can. You can set up your own payment systems outside or inside of the game itself and you are completely legit

Since when did Open become this godly buzzword. Unreal has made a ton of money off of MS's OS's. MS is a platform developer and there is nothing in the wind that says that's changing in any way.

I just don't get what he's saying by "open" It's silly. He should probably just go smash his head into a wall a few times to come back to reality.

A bit premature, especially for a game developer...

If anyone has been reading the news, Microsoft is still restructuring their entire approach to development and gaming, from the Xbox and Windows 8 to WP8.

Microsoft isn't LOCKING developers down for forcing them in restrict anything. MS themselves are even releasing Halo Spartan Assault for Win7/Vista, outside of the very ecosystem people are expression 'fear'.

The desktop and products like Steam haven't been hurt by Windows 8, in contrast to Gabe's initial comments.


Microsoft has a new CEO, new Windows leader, new Xbox leader, and is completely restructuring their focus; maybe we should see everything they are changing before we cast out predictions of doom. Especially when most agree, Microsoft is making good steps in the right direction.

Mobius Enigma said,
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TBH, even with the old leadership. This type of though process seems silly. The idea that MS is going to not allow games developed with the Unreal engine into their modern store is just out there.

MrHumpty said,
TBH, even with the old leadership. This type of though process seems silly. The idea that MS is going to not allow games developed with the Unreal engine into their modern store is just out there.

Uh? Unreal was ported to WinRT and runs just fine as a modern app.

Even if the engine wasn't ported to WinRT, it could run in the browser via HTML5 or converted to a native HTML5 based App for Windows 8, thus allowing for several 'modern' store deployment options for game developers.

What are you basing this on?

Exactly this 100%. Can't believe MS has gone down this road. If they do not turn things around soon, they will fail. PC is already faster than the new gaming systems, and they just came out! How many years do they have left now? MS must change their thinking, and fast!

It's NOT Microsoft going down that road - it's developers. It is the developers (not Microsoft) that are increasingly aiming new IP toward mobile and completely eschewing the desktop (and especially Windows desktop) space.

I'd be more worried about Epic and trying the mobile game F2P route that will surely fail.

Odd all these people worrying about MS when they are making billions of profits each QTR.

I can understand - people have the same worries with OSX and its app store plus Gatekeeper. I think the hybrid model is ideal - walled garden for normal users, open desktop for pros and enthusiasts. But, having used W8 for a while? Its got some nice perks to it.

Epic needs to keep an open dialog with MS and even Apple.

This guy understands the difference between Metro and Desktop, right? The Windows 8 desktop isn't "locked down" in any way.

If you don't want to target touch-tablet games, why would you even care?

pmbAustin said,
This guy understands the difference between Metro and Desktop, right? The Windows 8 desktop isn't "locked down" in any way.

If you don't want to target touch-tablet games, why would you even care?

I am sure he does. But he is right. If MS Drops desktop all together and just has metro in a closed off, MS approved system then that would utterly suck!

But lets hope MS doesnt do that...

MS metro fad was for touch centric system which failed miserably anyway. So I am sure Nadella has some sense to rethink their strategy and keep the desktop the way it is. Open platform was the main reason for so many programs appearing on MS platform and ultimately the dominance of MS on desktop. If they are stupid enough to not realize this and think $0.99 games and apps are going to be their bread and butter then keep marching toward metro fad while watering down desktop then I am sure alternatives will start appearing from competitors. Steam OS is already going to make MS run for their money for PC based games anyway.

Auditor said,
MS metro fad was for touch centric system which failed miserably anyway. So I am sure Nadella has some sense to rethink their strategy and keep the desktop the way it is. Open platform was the main reason for so many programs appearing on MS platform and ultimately the dominance of MS on desktop. If they are stupid enough to not realize this and think $0.99 games and apps are going to be their bread and butter then keep marching toward metro fad while watering down desktop then I am sure alternatives will start appearing from competitors. Steam OS is already going to make MS run for their money for PC based games anyway.

Well, we will see if Steam OS makes a run. Its not even close to "already" going to do anything. It may. It may not (my bet is not unless Valve really pushes it hard and puts money behind it).

But I also dont think the metro fad failed at all. If anything its going to be pushed more with WP9 and Windows 9 having much of the same functionality. Metro isnt the future problem, its actually quite good and smart (more battery efficient, touch friendly, etc). But turning to closed system would be horrible and would probably push Steam OS to the top of gaming OSs then and for good reason.

Auditor said,
Steam OS is already going to make MS run for their money for PC based games anyway.
Wait. You're going to call the Windows 8 Modern Runtime a fad.. and then say Steam OS is viable?

Ok, seriously, I hope it's after noon wherever you are cause ur drunk. Go Home.

Microsoft isn't going to drop Desktop. It's required for their enterprise and developer communities at the very least, but also by gamers, and "power users".

Yes, there will be versions of Windows without a desktop. They'll ONLY exist on touch tablets.

If you want to run 3rd party games that are loaded outside the store, then you'll need a desktop version. So what? Desktop isn't going anywhere any time soon.

Volume/cheap games will always be on the mobile space, just like in iOS and Android.

Sophisticated games that require a keyboard or controller will be PC Desktop games, not "metro". And they'll likely cost more and sell less. It all evens out though.

Basically, this is ridiculous to worry about, and is more about spreading FUD than anything else. He should be smarter than this.

MrHumpty said,
Wait. You're going to call the Windows 8 Modern Runtime a fad.. and then say Steam OS is viable?

Ok, seriously, I hope it's after noon wherever you are cause ur drunk. Go Home.

Mate, it's Auditor. His sheer unrelenting negative bias towards Metro should make you seriously question anything he says. He's a bit like the polar opposite to Dot Matrix, though he makes less frequent appearances.

And there is absolutely NOTHING in 8+ (Windows 8 forward) that breaks desktop software. I didn't just take some of my desktop software from 7 forward; I took ALL of it, except for some utilities mooted by features now part of the OS proper. Same applies to my games - not some or most, but ALL.
FUD FTL.

Ideas Man said,

Mate, it's Auditor. His sheer unrelenting negative bias towards Metro should make you seriously question anything he says. He's a bit like the polar opposite to Dot Matrix, though he makes less frequent appearances.

Lol that was funny comparing me with Dot.

No - you were called the polar opposite to Dot. You are very modal-absolutist in terms of Windows - according to several of your own posts, Windows reached the zenith of perfection with Windows 7 and should not have changed a whit since, even though the hardware underneath the OS has changed a ton. Dot accepts that the OS has to reflect the hardware running on it - however, that is something that you have deliberately, and consistently, refused to accept. Yet neither of you is willing to accept the views of the other.

It really is a "giant sadness" if even Sweeney is pointing it out.

He's using different wording but the meaning is the same.

Ugh this again.. you can still use software exactly like before and nobody's forcing you to develop or use store apps.. stop with the daft crystal ball FUD predictions and assumptions that they've suddenly gone full retard and think people won't mind tossing years worth of compatibility on a whim. (Just look at people clinging to XP.) Never going to happen, a version of Windows that doesn't run Windows software will kill MS and MS knows it.

Did you even read it?

Sweeney added that IF Microsoft continues to move towards a closed platform model for Windows

LaP said,
Did you even read it?

Yes I read it. What else are you to imply from what he said? He obviously thinking it's a possibility without following that thought through to its conclusion.

Just keeping the desktop environment available is not enough. If they stop developing the platform and tools it will quickly turn out to be outdated and purposed only for running legacy software. That's the fear. And Sweeney's only hope is that MS is putting into DX12.

LeWonder said,
Just keeping the desktop environment available is not enough. If they stop developing the platform and tools it will quickly turn out to be outdated and purposed only for running legacy software.

And there is no sign whatsoever that they intend to do that.

dodgetigger said,

And there is no sign whatsoever that they intend to do that.

You mean like Windows RT....?

I'd say it was a testbed to see how it did in the market. I'm sure it was partly to get into the low-powered/ARM market, but I don't really know why they would bother as far behind as they were unless they had some other things plannned.

farmeunit said,
You mean like Windows RT....?
RT and Phone will merge and makes no sense for them to support desktop apps.

I called RT a hedge-bet, and it only applied to those users that didn't need OR want desktop-software compatibility (basically, an option compared to Android and iOS); however, as much as Windows is supposedly hated, nobody really wants to leave. And Sweeney is among those developers gladly embracing Android, iOS, Linux, etc. - and unwilling to do ANYTHING in terms of Windows development, let alone Win32/Win64. Where is the Win32/Win64 version of UE4, Mister Sweeney?

Max Norris said,
Ugh this again.. you can still use software exactly like before and nobody's forcing you to develop or use store apps.. stop with the daft crystal ball FUD predictions and assumptions that they've suddenly gone full retard and think people won't mind tossing years worth of compatibility on a whim. (Just look at people clinging to XP.) Never going to happen, a version of Windows that doesn't run Windows software will kill MS and MS knows it.

The worry here is that "Windows software" will become "WinRT software", with WinRT replacing Win32. When Microosft is designing a whole new platform, it's typically not just for a convenience of their users. They already had .NET for that. It's a strategic decision. And the WinRT platform demands Windows Store distribution unless in case of some specific exceptions that a random Unreal Engine developer isn't subject to, at least not today.

Northgrove said,
The worry here is that "Windows software" will become "WinRT software", with WinRT replacing Win32. When Microosft is designing a whole new platform, it's typically not just for a convenience of their users. They already had .NET for that. It's a strategic decision.

I know what the worry is, but again it makes zero sense for any business that wants to stay in business. Think about it for a second... you got a product that's been an overwhelming success for decades, has made you a mountain of cash and is used by the majority of people on the planet... who in their right mind is going to think "gee, a quarter of our customers still use our product from 2001.. so RT must be a success, lets throw all of that away, I'm sure nobody's going to mind?" Microsoft might be a lot of things but stupid isn't one of them. That really would be the mythical year of Linux (and the death of Microsoft) when Linux runs Windows software and Windows does not.

Until Microsoft stops allowing Steam, I will get my games from there etc, where I still get access to the system files so I can mod the hell out of them.

One of the things I miss about PC gaming. Being able to mode files, cheat codes, and fool around with things. I do think that console gaming made be a better gamer (still suck) since I could not cheat/mod.

I keep going back to Left 4 Dead 2, 20-Man Versus servers are pure madness, just added a few mods just now actually.

It plays The Banana Splits - Tra la la la when the tank comes, and plays Michael Jackson - Don't stop till you get enough, when you get grabbed by a smoker.

My favorite was back in the doom days. Changing those pink 2 legged monsters in to barney. Barney would even sing "I love you, you love me..." and then i would put two between its eyes. haha.

techbeck said,
My favorite was back in the doom days. Changing those pink 2 legged monsters in to barney. Barney would even sing "I love you, you love me..." and then i would put two between its eyes. haha.

I remember when that marine soldier developed his military mod for doomII even. then that huge CD with all kinds of doom/DOOMII mods on it. circa mid to late 1990's.

Xerax said,
April Fools, right?

Honestly, maybe.

If you read the full discussion, he touts the iOS App Store as the champion of openness.