Windows 8 Build 7850 has leaked

The long wait is finally over as an early build of Windows 8 has leaked. The leak has been posted on a Betaarchive private FTP site and has been confirmed by several reputable sources that it is indeed a legitimate build.

We should note that many of the leaked screenshots showing new features that were published here on Neowin may not be contained within the leaked build. The installer will look similar to Windows 7 but the build is part of the Windows 8 branch.

The build that has leaked is 6.1.7850.0.winmain_win8m1.100922-1508_x86fre_client-enterprise_en-us.iso and is the the final M1 and the last 6.1 build.

Windows 8 is expected to enter beta, possibly as soon as this fall, with OEM availability in late 2012 and possible retail availability in January 2013.

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I'm going to make a prediction that windows 8 will not be as popular as windows 7, not that it will be bad, but it will be too similar to windows 7 for the majority of users to warrant upgrading.

I can't wait for the 'we finally got it all to work' version... likely gonna hit when everything loads from the cloud and consumers are not allowed to buy hard disks or media any longer.

Meaningless, cosmetic, and intentional leak. Microsoft is doing this in a hurry to trick folks into renewing their EA Agreements in June since no one needs to re-up for another 3 years of Software Assurance with the performance and stability of Windows 7. Sometimes I hate them.

Download is chugging along. ETA ~1hr. What is up with all the negative posts, i.e. old build, win7 gui, a lot of bugs. This is what testing is all about. The fun begins!!!!

paesan said,
Download is chugging along. ETA ~1hr. What is up with all the negative posts, i.e. old build, win7 gui, a lot of bugs. This is what testing is all about. The fun begins!!!!

Probably because its a waste off time as nothing has changed that much and whats the point of testing something that isn't even a beta or even changed that much.

joemailey said,

Probably because its a waste off time as nothing has changed that much and whats the point of testing something that isn't even a beta or even changed that much.

Because if your a geek (like me) these things are exciting, also its the whole 'i used it about a year before it came out' thing as well

joemailey said,

Probably because its a waste off time as nothing has changed that much and whats the point of testing something that isn't even a beta or even changed that much.

If you actually worked in the world of QA, you'd know how silly that statement is.

I see no point to get this bar 15 mins nosing about in virtualbox, this early on, it's nothing but a glorified win7 with small editions.

Sheesh guys, why do we have to change the bloody GUI every time we upgrade an OS, usually its the behind the scenes work that is important. not the shinys on the taskbar.

Auzeras said,
Sheesh guys, why do we have to change the bloody GUI every time we upgrade an OS, usually its the behind the scenes work that is important. not the shinys on the taskbar.

We don't necessarily have to change it, but why not improve upon it

ir0nw0lf said,
I thought Windows 7 was the last 32-bit OS from Microsoft. *confused*

That just applies to the Server versions. Desktop was pure speculation as to if x86 was there or not. (And personally it's financially nuts for them to drop support for it.)

Soldiers33 said,
looks just like windows 7 in basic mode

I wouldn't expect a new/updated UI until Beta 2 since thats how they have been doing it since XP

FYI we've got a copy over at thewindowscenter.com and have the following details to offer in addition to your own:

6.1.7850.0.winmain_win8m1.100922-1508_x86fre_client-enterprise_en-us.iso - 32-bit

STRING: 6.1.7850.0.winmain_win8m1.100922-1508
FILE: 6.1.7850.0.winmain_win8m1.100922-1508_x86fre_client-enterprise_en-us.iso
SIZE: 2,637,101,056 bytes
SHA-1: DCA69DF6074BCA8B5DBA5C8D6D030D53CB6D82C8

This is my main build now, nothing works properly but its my main build. I rulle...

No wait Im not bothering to install until its released this time.

So you've posted the file name, the link to the site which hosts it on its FTP, AND told the world that it's going on to public trackers (which have previously been on the front page also) later on today. Bit keen?

Seizure1990 said,
I thought promoting pirated software was against the rules

Reporting on a leaked windows build = condoning piracy?

Blasius said,

Reporting on a leaked windows build = condoning piracy?

Yes because there sure is no link up there showing the website to download it is there? Of course not.

Jan said,

Yes because there sure is no link up there showing the website to download it is there? Of course not.


When this news article was first published, it did state specifically which torrent site would be getting the leak. Once someone went that that site it would only be a matter of two clicks to get it. Not technically posting a link, but there is a razor thin line between the two.

Seizure1990 said,
I thought promoting pirated software was against the rules

It is, but Neowin has many sets of rules, some apply to whatever face fits, some don't

As such, if you grab this build, you won't see many of the leaked and rumored features we've seen so far. That means no native SmartScreen file checking, no built-in PDF reader, no Office ribbon in Windows Explorer, no new logon screen, no system reset feature, and no other features we've discussed but don't have screenshots for (yet). In other words, it will look very close to Windows 7.

TechDudeGeorge said,
Six months old, least we get to try something.
Lots of people are getting it, 1 hour left for me over FTP. Even at a high speed.

Admitting to piracy usually earns you a warning around here (unless you are a news poster).

roadwarrior said,

Admitting to piracy usually earns you a warning around here (unless you are a news poster).

Another example of quality Neowin writing.

"currently the build is not availbe for mass public consumption but it will be posted to a public torrent tracking website in the next few hours."

ONE SENTENCE LATER

"Currently the build is not available as a public torrent but will be posted to be shared in a few hours."

REALLY?

Could Windows 8 build 6.1.7850 leak soon? -----
***Jan 28 2011*** 05:22 PM | VenomFX in Microsoft
A Milestone 2 build of Windows 8 may well hit the internet soon, with screenshots of the build 6.1.7850 setup being released by two trusted individuals, Zukona and Canouna who have been responsible for many leaks in the past.

I could care less how old it is. It is the first Win8 leak and I have 4 hard drives in my rig right now. I have a nice 100 gig partition waiting for trying out Win8.

I love how neowin doesnt condone leaks or piracy (at some point, I was actually banned for discussing a leaked build of WMP on the forum), yet they're always the first to announce leaks.

Julius Caro said,
I love how neowin doesnt condone leaks or piracy (at some point, I was actually banned for discussing a leaked build of WMP on the forum), yet they're always the first to announce leaks.

+1.

Julius Caro said,
I love how neowin doesnt condone leaks or piracy (at some point, I was actually banned for discussing a leaked build of WMP on the forum), yet they're always the first to announce leaks.
more proof of what roadwarrior was saying

Julius Caro said,
I love how neowin doesnt condone leaks or piracy (at some point, I was actually banned for discussing a leaked build of WMP on the forum), yet they're always the first to announce leaks.

It's amazing how many times you bash the site, yet you keep coming back. Either leave or stay... people are tired of your moaning.

Blasius said,

It's amazing how many times you bash the site, yet you keep coming back. Either leave or stay... people are tired of your moaning.


Just because we complain about unequal application of the rules around here doesn't mean we don't like the site overall. Would you tell someone who complained about discrimination in the workplace to simply leave the company? Would you tell someone who complained about unjust laws to leave the country?

Blasius said,

It's amazing how many times you bash the site, yet you keep coming back. Either leave or stay... people are tired of your moaning.

Just because I don't agree with the general quality of the news items doesnt mean I hate the site, or the community. While my case was resolved by the mod lifting the ban and apologizing, 4 years later we still have the same problem.

Julius Caro said,
I love how neowin doesnt condone leaks or piracy (at some point, I was actually banned for discussing a leaked build of WMP on the forum), yet they're always the first to announce leaks.

Yeah, we're all tired of you. Blasius is right. Either join up with the community and start playing nice, or go away.

Owen W said,

Yeah, we're all tired of you. Blasius is right. Either join up with the community and start playing nice, or go away.

I think he has every right to complain if he wants. . . . It's a fair point.

Owen W said,

Yeah, we're all tired of you. Blasius is right. Either join up with the community and start playing nice, or go away.

What is "join up with the community" suppose to mean? If u dont want people leaving negative feedback on your articles, disable comments.

Owen W said,

Yeah, we're all tired of you. Blasius is right. Either join up with the community and start playing nice, or go away.

Wow... that is all I can say

Oh, that's unexpected. I thought that no M1 build would leak since we're past those now.

Yes, it's "old" but could be of interest for those who like to collect this stuff.

That is build is so old. 6.2.7867.0.101020-1800 was shown at CES 2011 and leaked one is 7850 so old and nothing new will se in this build.

0veR said,
That is build is so old. 6.2.7867.0.101020-1800 was shown at CES 2011 and leaked one is 7850 so old and nothing new will se in this build.

Right, and you've played with it though, right?

The funny thing is that if a regular member of Neowin posted in the forums where and when a leaked build of Windows would be posted, they would get a warning, but let a news poster put it on the front page and everything is just fine. The hypocracy around here is incredible.

Wrong, build info was posted all the time during the Windows 7 beta with no warns or bans handed out. Neowin was founded on XP beta leak info, so banning for it would go against the sites reason to exist.

roadwarrior said,
The funny thing is that if a regular member of Neowin posted in the forums where and when a leaked build of Windows would be posted, they would get a warning, but let a news poster put it on the front page and everything is just fine. The hypocracy around here is incredible.

Yeh I'm suprised about the explicit mentions of torrent sites and even what site to get it at. Adds absolutely nothing to the news story. All they needed was "It's likely this build will make its way to the masses by hitting torrent sites later in the day"

DrCheese said,
Wrong, build info was posted all the time during the Windows 7 beta with no warns or bans handed out. Neowin was founded on XP beta leak info, so banning for it would go against the sites reason to exist.

and yet it still happens, i've witnessed people getting warned and banned for it over the past few weeks

roadwarrior said,
The funny thing is that if a regular member of Neowin posted in the forums where and when a leaked build of Windows would be posted, they would get a warning, but let a news poster put it on the front page and everything is just fine. The hypocracy around here is incredible.


Aren't you the guy that got one of those limited Windows Party Packs that Microsoft was giving out to a group of people just so you could turn around and sell it on eBay?

With your hypocrisy talk, I thought I'd just throw that out there. Something to think about before you get ready to call others hypocrites.

roadwarrior said,
The funny thing is that if a regular member of Neowin posted in the forums where and when a leaked build of Windows would be posted, they would get a warning, but let a news poster put it on the front page and everything is just fine. The hypocracy around here is incredible.

no, we just can't say where the leaks are, saying there is a leak is fine... just don't tell anyone where

DrCheese said,
Wrong, build info was posted all the time during the Windows 7 beta with no warns or bans handed out. Neowin was founded on XP beta leak info, so banning for it would go against the sites reason to exist.

Not true, I was threatened with a warn just for trying to warn members that one of the leaks had a virus in it's installer. The application of these rules is pretty random and sporadic

NightmarE D said,


Aren't you the guy that got one of those limited Windows Party Packs that Microsoft was giving out to a group of people just so you could turn around and sell it on eBay?

With your hypocrisy talk, I thought I'd just throw that out there. Something to think about before you get ready to call others hypocrites.

I ended up selling my Windows 7 copy from my party pack. Though I desperately needed money at the time due to being fired. Regardless though, I only signed up for that party pack thing because I never expected to actually get accepted. Boy was I shocked.

Also was accepted by Google for the CR-48 testing but that thing is slower then a Pentium II with 128mb of ram.

REGARDLESS my point was that you shouldn't judge people until you have a full understanding as to WHY they did something. Judging them prior to knowing the full reason behind a choice they make is just a jackass way of going about things.

neufuse said,

no, we just can't say where the leaks are, saying there is a leak is fine... just don't tell anyone where

I've got a leak in my pants. But I'm not telling you where, exactly.

NightmarE D said,


Aren't you the guy that got one of those limited Windows Party Packs that Microsoft was giving out to a group of people just so you could turn around and sell it on eBay?

How does the fact that I sold it (with the permission of Microsoft) have anything to do with Neowin allowing news posters to direct people to a specific site where they can download pre-release versions of Windows?

neufuse said,

no, we just can't say where the leaks are, saying there is a leak is fine... just don't tell anyone where


That's just it though, this news post did (at the time I posted that) say exactly where to find the leak. Once you know which site it is on, it only takes clicking on "Browse Torrents" then on "Windows" to find it.

roadwarrior said,
The funny thing is that if a regular member of Neowin posted in the forums where and when a leaked build of Windows would be posted, they would get a warning, but let a news poster put it on the front page and everything is just fine. The hypocracy around here is incredible.

Like that one time when Neowin post an article calling out "Google fanboys" ... In the forums if you so much mention the word "fanboy", you'll get insta warning/ban.

I notice that Neowin frequently posted flambait/supporting piracy articles on the frontpage just to get clicks/comments.

xpclient said,
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG!

I bet they'll claim customization from XP that was removed in Vista and 7 is a new feature!

JAB Creations said,
I bet they'll claim customization from XP that was removed in Vista and 7 is a new feature!

Yea, a couple features were changed/removed out of XP, but just curious, how was customization one of them?

JAB Creations said,

I bet they'll claim customization from XP that was removed in Vista and 7 is a new feature!

And remove some Windows 7 and Vista features as well? Apparently, IE10 won't install on Vista either. Office 2010 also restored UI customizability and claimed it as a new feature.

xpclient said,

And remove some Windows 7 and Vista features as well? Apparently, IE10 won't install on Vista either. Office 2010 also restored UI customizability and claimed it as a new feature.

PLEASE! Get a copy of XP, install IE6, install Office 2000 and enjoy your old software!

Jen Smith said,
how was customization one of them?

I presume you're asking what customization was removed...by that the classic start menu is no longer available, the toolbars in Internet Explorer AND Windows Explorer are no longer customizable, Windows Explorer now requires several clicks more to get to cut, copy, paste, delete, etc. The file menu can't be moved to the top in IE9...the list just goes on and on...and Tux would know too!

Jan said,
enjoy your old software!

Blah blah blah, you and the other trolls sound like broken records. New doesn't mean it's better and Microsoft has been INTENTIONALLY and TOTALLY destroying the GUI of their products. If you want a horrible GUI that reduces your productively you have fun with that, I'll be busy getting work done with XP. Oh and stop trying to associate XP with IE6, the market shares make it devastatingly clear that only a fraction of XP users are using IE6. Oh btw just to make it clear IE9's hardware acceleration only works on Vista and Windows 7 while Opera 11.5's works on ALL PLATFORMS including XP just fine and dandy so the whole no IE9 for XP excuse was total bull. If you want to troll make sure you know what you're talking about first.

Blah blah blah, you and the other trolls sound like broken records. New doesn't mean it's better and Microsoft has been INTENTIONALLY and TOTALLY destroying the GUI of their products.
You know what's ironic? You talking about Microsoft destroying the GUI when your website looks like it came out of the 1980s.

Oh btw just to make it clear IE9's hardware acceleration only works on Vista and Windows 7 while Opera 11.5's works on ALL PLATFORMS including XP just fine and dandy so the whole no IE9 for XP excuse was total bull. If you want to troll make sure you know what you're talking about first.
Actually you'll find that while Chrome and Firefox both support hardware acceleration of all draw operations on Vista / 7, they drop to a limited set on Windows XP.


Opera uses WebGL / OpenGL which is available on all platforms. Whereas IE9 uses Directwrite (and D2D) which is only available on Vista and 7 (XP uses GDI). So yeh, Microsoft wasn't talking bull when they said it won't work on XP.

If you want to troll make sure you know what you're talking about first. Wait a sec, I wonder where I heard that line before.

JAB Creations said,

Windows Explorer now requires several clicks more to get to cut, copy, paste, delete, etc.

What bridge are you living under Troll? How hard is "Ctrl+C", "Ctrl+V", "Ctrl+X", and, dare I say, the "DELETE" key? Or if you prefer the mouse, "Right click +Copy", "Right Click + Paste", "Right Click + Cut", or "Delete"

Jen Smith said,
Guess that answers the one Beta forum thread about if there's going to be x86 support or not.

Yeah, I do not approve.

MrGriggs said,

Yeah, I do not approve.

It's aimed at businesses (I did notice the enterprise tag), so it could be limited distribution when RTM (such as Software Assurance or other big-account licensing programs, the same way 7 Enterprise goes out today). In fact, other than OEM and upgrades, try getting 7 x32 on new hardware in North America today.

MrGriggs said,

Yeah, I do not approve.

It's aimed at businesses (I did notice the enterprise tag), so it could be limited distribution when RTM (such as Software Assurance or other big-account licensing programs, the same way 7 Enterprise goes out today). In fact, other than OEM and upgrades, try getting 7 x32 on new hardware in North America today.

PGHammer said,

try getting 7 x32 on new hardware in North America today.

Quite easy actually. Buy a netbook and you are almost 100% guaranteed to get the x86 version of 7, even if it supports x64 (such as my Dell mini 10). I'd install an x64 version of 7 on it if I could, but several of the hardware components don't have x64 drivers available, as far as I can find.

Jen Smith said,
Guess that answers the one Beta forum thread about if there's going to be x86 support or not.

There was ALWAYS going to be x86 support for Windows 8

Owen W said,
There was ALWAYS going to be x86 support for Windows 8

Personally, never thought otherwise. Microsoft is in the business to make money, and arbitrarily dropping a large number of paying customers is a great way to not do that. Just wondering how that thread lasted as long as it did.

roadwarrior said,

Quite easy actually. Buy a netbook and you are almost 100% guaranteed to get the x86 version of 7, even if it supports x64 (such as my Dell mini 10).

For example, a HP Pavilion DM1Z is a netbook, its comes with Win7 HP x64.. (IMHO, 11.6" is still a netbook). Almost is right..

Currently using it....... its called windows 7. Seriously not much has changed, it's not even in alpha stage yet.

Neo003 said,
Currently using it....... its called windows 7. Seriously not much has changed, it's not even in alpha stage yet.

Is the build the same? No it isnt. So its not Windows 7.

Neo003 said,
Currently using it....... its called windows 7. Seriously not much has changed, it's not even in alpha stage yet.

Is this comment 4 the lols?

hondaa said,

But he said it is Windows 7 and it obviously does not have the same number

There were lots of build numbers prior to the RTM build of Windows 7 as well. Are you saying those beta versions weren't Windows 7 either?? Neo003 made a valid point. This build is only slightly tweaked from Windows 7. There is no reason for anyone to be running it.

roadwarrior said,

There were lots of build numbers prior to the RTM build of Windows 7 as well. Are you saying those beta versions weren't Windows 7 either?? Neo003 made a valid point. This build is only slightly tweaked from Windows 7. There is no reason for anyone to be running it.


Those were early version of Windows 7. What, you going to call this late versions of Windows 7?

Neo003 said,
Currently using it....... its called windows 7. Seriously not much has changed, it's not even in alpha stage yet.

It's well past alpha. Just because the theme hasn't changed doesn't mean it's not Windows 8

Neo003 said,
Currently using it....... its called windows 7. Seriously not much has changed, it's not even in alpha stage yet.

This type of stuff just about makes me spit my coffee on my laptop.

As an OS engineer, there are a massive amount of OS changes that the average user NEVER sees, has no clue is there, and would not understand them if you explained them with a coloring book; however, these changes are essential to everything the users does, all the new features that the user does see, and makes dramatic performance and stability changes that the user enjoys.

I still find myself and my team teaching high level IT people about basics of the WDM 1.x and WDDM in Vista and Windows 7 and why it matters, why it is important, how users benefit, and how revolutionary it is when compared to any other video and video driver model.

Even Vista to Win7 is hard for people to realize some amazing technology differences, that they can't see. There is a reason Win7 is more responsive, uses less RAM, and also can crank a lot more performance out of a 4 or 8 thread CPU or multi-CPU system.

This will date myself, but it is like when the 1985 Corvette came out, a lot of people went, hmm, it looksl ike the 1984 Corvette, no big deal. Yet the 1985 Corvette was the first year all the C4 designs were fully complete and in the car, which is why it had the new Tuned Port Injection system, the suspension refinements, etc.

It is also why the 1985 Corvette is almost 1.5 secs faster in just the 0-60 times over a 1984 Corvette, and was the best cornering production car the world had ever seen back then.

Yet, there are a lot of people that still say, "They look the same to me..."


Seriously people, if you truly think that even an early Win8 build is the same as Win7, you are missing out. If you don't care beyond Win8 having cool new Wallpaper to play with, then ya, they are the same...

<sarcasm>GASP! How did this happen!?</sarcasm>

Seriously, it was only a matter of time. And when the final product is released, or maybe even a week or two prior, somebody will have broken the activation methods, and the "pirating" of Microsoft Windows will continue as normal. Kind of like Sony, if you try to sell something and tell people they can't do certain things with it, they're going to break it just to prove that they can.

CoMMo said,
<sarcasm>GASP! How did this happen!?</sarcasm>
Kind of like Sony, if you try to sell something and tell people they can't do certain things with it, they're going to break it just to prove that they can.

Don't really know how that logic applies to Windows 8. Its an OS, you can do whatever you want with it, as long as you buy a license. Unlike a PS3 or xBox or iPhone. Where you buy those and are locked in to what you can/can't do.

CoMMo said,
<sarcasm>GASP! How did this happen!?</sarcasm>

Seriously, it was only a matter of time. And when the final product is released, or maybe even a week or two prior, somebody will have broken the activation methods, and the "pirating" of Microsoft Windows will continue as normal. Kind of like Sony, if you try to sell something and tell people they can't do certain things with it, they're going to break it just to prove that they can.

Of course, something as totally unrelated to Microsoft as a Win8 ISO leak and somehow you spin it off to talk abotu Sony and Microsoft and how they're evil corporations.

Way to go.

joemailey said,

Don't really know how that logic applies to Windows 8. Its an OS, you can do whatever you want with it, as long as you buy a license. Unlike a PS3 or xBox or iPhone. Where you buy those and are locked in to what you can/can't do.

Not quite whatever you want...I believe the license says some stuff about not disassembling bits of Windows, among other things.

Okay...

Can't wait for all the threads popping up asking if this M1 build is suitable for everyday usage and people complaining about application X, driver Y and hardware Z not properly working with it...

.Neo said,
Okay...

Can't wait for all the threads popping up asking if this M1 build is suitable for everyday usage and people complaining about application X, driver Y and hardware Z not properly working with it...

Windows 8 is higly buggy and won't run my programs! I'm downgrading to XP! >

Frylock86 said,
Windows 8 is higly buggy and won't run my programs! I'm downgrading to XP! >

Try installing Mac OS X Lion Developer Preview 2.

.Neo said,
Okay...

Can't wait for all the threads popping up asking if this M1 build is suitable for everyday usage and people complaining about application X, driver Y and hardware Z not properly working with it...

install gentoo

Pam14160 said,

I did and it works great. . .no bugs as of yet.

There are plenty of bugs in DP2.

PGHammer said,
Newsflash - Lion DP2 not as buggy as DP1. (Not even on Hacks.)

Newsflash: It's still has its fair share of bugs and a lot of applications don't run properly on it yet either.

.Neo said,
Okay...

Can't wait for all the threads popping up asking if this M1 build is suitable for everyday usage and people complaining about application X, driver Y and hardware Z not properly working with it...


I'm more concerned about the complaining of it being an M1 instead of M3 build when all we've been doing is complaining about a leak altogether...

UndergroundWire said,
Windows 8 keeps crashing can someone tell me why please.

it is an alpha build after all.

Win7 build 6801

the explorer was bugged and crush randomly.

UndergroundWire said,
Windows 8 keeps crashing can someone tell me why please.

Probably because it's still in a very early alpha stage. Once it goes to beta it may be worth using, and definitely once it goes to RC status.

Choto Cheeta said,

but still finally something is out for all to taste and start the good old Windows vs MAC / Linux fight....


It's "Mac" not "MAC" ("MAC" stands for "Media Access Control")

Choto Cheeta said,

but still finally something is out for all to taste and start the good old Windows vs MAC / Linux fight....

Well having been kinda forced to use a mac sine a few weeks I can say that windows wins hands down.. what a joke.. no seriously.. two words for starters; uninstall and networking (as in nonexisting and a joke)..

Andrew Lyle said,
!!!

What is the excitement of a Windows 7 look and feel? I have not reason at all to download something that is not even beta yet and illegal.

Unix2 said,

What is the excitement of a Windows 7 look and feel? I have not reason at all to download something that is not even beta yet and illegal.

You use an OS because of look and feel? It's the functionality they are now working on, not UI, that comes in the end since UI is made around functionality, not the other way around.

Unix2 said,

What is the excitement of a Windows 7 look and feel? I have not reason at all to download something that is not even beta yet and illegal.

You people really don't get it do you. It's about what's under the hood. If you want fancy stuff you'll have to wait for a late build or goto OSX. In the meantime, please don't talk anymore.